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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 28 Oct 11:59
Van Nistelrooy in as caretaker.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Mon 28 Oct 12:02)
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Mon 28 Oct 12:49
It’s been a long time coming this one, how he got the time there that he did, is beyond me.
I don’t really follow “Champions League” football, but what obvious manager is out there to take over from him? They’ve had some really baffling appointments since Sir Alex retired.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Mon 28 Oct 13:00
Gareth Southgate front runner with the bookies
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Mon 28 Oct 13:10
Long overdue
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 28 Oct 13:11
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Mon 28 Oct 13:00
Gareth Southgate front runner with the bookies
He’s already said he is taking a year out.
Xavi and Nagelsmann are possibilities
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 28 Oct 15:51
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Mon 28 Oct 12:49
It’s been a long time coming this one, how he got the time there that he did, is beyond me.
I don’t really follow “Champions League” football, but what obvious manager is out there to take over from him? They’ve had some really baffling appointments since Sir Alex retired.
Correct, BB. David Moyes was Fergie`s recommendation of course and he might have succeeded if he had kept Fergie`s backroom staff instead of clearing them out and bringing in his own team. Successive appointments were equally poor if not worse. United really missed the boat by failing to hire either Pep or Klopp and that`s not being wise after the event - I said so at the time. Van Gaal and Mourinho were not good fits at OT and I don`t know how the decision makers could possibly have thought differently.
Ten Hag has struggled from day 1. He doesn`t appear to be great at building a good relationship with the players in his squad.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Big G Ball
Date: Mon 28 Oct 16:01
Xavi’s son pictured wearing a Man Utd top…..usually means he’s heading to Manchester to be revered by the fans whilst committing his undying love to united
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 28 Oct 16:40
Sad to anyone lose their job .. They gave him time to turn things around .. I watched the West Ham game and Man U could have been 5 up at half time .. then the 3 subs for West Ham were fantastic and really bothered Man U .. The penalty decision was an absolute joke .. Feel sorry for Ten Hag
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 28 Oct 16:51
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 28 Oct 15:51
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Mon 28 Oct 12:49
It’s been a long time coming this one, how he got the time there that he did, is beyond me.
I don’t really follow “Champions League” football, but what obvious manager is out there to take over from him? They’ve had some really baffling appointments since Sir Alex retired.
Correct, BB. David Moyes was Fergie`s recommendation of course and he might have succeeded if he had kept Fergie`s backroom staff instead of clearing them out and bringing in his own team. Successive appointments were equally poor if not worse. United really missed the boat by failing to hire either Pep or Klopp and that`s not being wise after the event - I said so at the time. Van Gaal and Mourinho were not good fits at OT and I don`t know how the decision makers could possibly have thought differently.
Ten Hag has struggled from day 1. He doesn`t appear to be great at building a good relationship with the players in his squad.
There seems to be this myth that Mourinho was terrible at United - in 2 seasons he won a League Cup, Europa League, finished 2nd to City (which may be given to them eventually) and had a 58% win ratio for them 😂 hardly awful.
Also United a club not afraid of finally punting a manager - unlike some clubs…..
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Mon 28 Oct 16:54
How about McPake at Dunfermline.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 28 Oct 17:01
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 28 Oct 16:51
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 28 Oct 15:51
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Mon 28 Oct 12:49
It’s been a long time coming this one, how he got the time there that he did, is beyond me.
I don’t really follow “Champions League” football, but what obvious manager is out there to take over from him? They’ve had some really baffling appointments since Sir Alex retired.
Correct, BB. David Moyes was Fergie`s recommendation of course and he might have succeeded if he had kept Fergie`s backroom staff instead of clearing them out and bringing in his own team. Successive appointments were equally poor if not worse. United really missed the boat by failing to hire either Pep or Klopp and that`s not being wise after the event - I said so at the time. Van Gaal and Mourinho were not good fits at OT and I don`t know how the decision makers could possibly have thought differently.
Ten Hag has struggled from day 1. He doesn`t appear to be great at building a good relationship with the players in his squad.
There seems to be this myth that Mourinho was terrible at United - in 2 seasons he won a League Cup, Europa League, finished 2nd to City (which may be given to them eventually) and had a 58% win ratio for them 😂 hardly awful.
Also United a club not afraid of finally punting a manager - unlike some clubs…..
I didn`t say he was terrible, Dave, just not a good fit. There was no chance United fans would take to the style of football he favoured. Compare that to Fergie`s brand or those brought up on Best, Law and Charlton or even Tommy Doherty`s young team....
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Big G Ball
Date: Mon 28 Oct 17:17
That’s unfair on the current programme seller. Why should he lose his job for a diddy like Mcpake
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Mon 28 Oct 17:20
Quote:
Buspasspar, Mon 28 Oct 16:40
Sad to anyone lose their job .. They gave him time to turn things around .. I watched the West Ham game and Man U could have been 5 up at half time .. then the 3 subs for West Ham were fantastic and really bothered Man U .. The penalty decision was an absolute joke .. Feel sorry for Ten Hag
I wouldn’t feel too sorry for him, sure he’ll be greeting into his massive pile of notes from the payout he’s got.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Mon 28 Oct 17:28
I think Ferguson tried to pitch the Man Utd job to Pep when he had his year out (before Bayern I think?) but he wanted total control and his own people in place before even thinking about it. City got the likes of Tixi Begerhastan (sp?) in as a sporting director etc in and gave him carte blanche. I think Pep would have taken the United job too but here we are.
They make loads of money, even more than Arsenal and Liverpool but they just spend it on absolute dross. Not sure if Fletcher will help in that regard, the ex Southampton guy doesn`t seem to be doing much and they really need a proper director of football or a manager who`ll do it all so they don`t waste stupid money on average signings.
I see Xavi is favoured at the bookies which would be an odd appointment as he`s been shown up by Flick at Barca and I`m not sure how good his English. Zidane had only ever been at Real Madrid and at times they seem to need man managers rather than head coaches. Southgate would be a dud for various reasons. I can`t see it as it`s not a sexy appointment but I reckon they should be looking at Thomas Frank at Brentford. Excellent coach, gets the best out of players and knows the league and the language.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 28 Oct 17:33
Zidane doesn`t speak English apparently but I don`t know if that`s essential nowadays.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 28 Oct 18:02
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 28 Oct 15:51
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Mon 28 Oct 12:49
It’s been a long time coming this one, how he got the time there that he did, is beyond me.
I don’t really follow “Champions League” football, but what obvious manager is out there to take over from him? They’ve had some really baffling appointments since Sir Alex retired.
Correct, BB. David Moyes was Fergie`s recommendation of course and he might have succeeded if he had kept Fergie`s backroom staff instead of clearing them out and bringing in his own team. Successive appointments were equally poor if not worse. United really missed the boat by failing to hire either Pep or Klopp and that`s not being wise after the event - I said so at the time. Van Gaal and Mourinho were not good fits at OT and I don`t know how the decision makers could possibly have thought differently.
Ten Hag has struggled from day 1. He doesn`t appear to be great at building a good relationship with the players in his squad.
Mourinho took an average Manchester United team to 2nd in the league. I’m pretty certain Man U fans would bite your hand off for a manager who could get them back to that sort of level.
COYP
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 28 Oct 18:08
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 28 Oct 17:33
Zidane doesn`t speak English apparently but I don`t know if that`s essential nowadays.
I`d argue that a good knowledge of English is absolutely essential, wee eck. Very few managers have been successful when having to speak through an interpreter. Remember Unai Emery at Arsenal. How much better is he faring at Villa now that he has a reasonable grasp of the language?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 28 Oct 18:17
I suppose it depends how quickly he can pick up the lingo. I remember when Pochettino arrived at Southampton he used an interpreter for his post-match interviews but he was much more confident to conduct them in English by the time he moved to Spurs.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Mon 28 Oct 18:36
Ruben Amorim is the strong favourite to get the job.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 28 Oct 20:38
Klopp left Liverpool in a good place and deliberately so for a smooth transition.
Fergie left Man Utd with an ageing squad and nothing for the next manager to work with.
Not saying that’s his fault but United have never recovered from the Fergie years much like Aberdeen in Scotland for over three decades (until now hopefully )
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Mon 28 Oct 21:25
Quote:
parathletic, Mon 28 Oct 18:36
Ruben Amorim is the strong favourite to get the job.
Ruben Ameron has been announced tonight as accepting the United managers job by The Manchester Evening News and David Ornstein of the Athletic. According to both the only thing outstanding is the value of the compensation to Sporting Lisbon.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 28 Oct 21:31
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Mon 28 Oct 20:38
Klopp left Liverpool in a good place and deliberately so for a smooth transition.
Fergie left Man Utd with an ageing squad and nothing for the next manager to work with.
Not saying that’s his fault but United have never recovered from the Fergie years much like Aberdeen in Scotland for over three decades (until now hopefully )
Honestly, the whole Fergie left them in a bad way 9 years and 6 managers later just doesn’t hold up for me anymore but can I just ask, are you seriously saying Aberdeen have struggled to recover since November 1986?? 🤷🏻♂️ like at what point do you think the onus is on the club and not on the ex manager?
😂😂😂😂
I can’t help laughing at this like
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COYP
Post Edited (Mon 28 Oct 21:32)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 28 Oct 21:31
Laughing that much my dyslexic thumbs are randomly blowing kisses 😂😂🤣🤣
COYP
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 28 Oct 21:54
The fact that Amorim is almost in the door so quickly would lead you to believe ETH’s sacking has been planned for a while ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 28 Oct 22:06
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe like
Date: Mon 28 Oct 20:38
Klopp left Liverpool in a good place and deliberately so for a smooth transition.
Fergie left Man Utd with an ageing squad and nothing for the next manager to work with.
Not saying that’s his fault but United have never recovered from the Fergie years much like Aberdeen in Scotland for over three decades (until now hopefully )
Spot on AAPS .. He left Man U in a mess .. it was all about him ..
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Johan_Cruyff
Date: Tue 29 Oct 05:35
Thats a little harsh buspasspar - his wifes sister had died around Oct/Nov of that season if I remember rightly and he decided that he needed to be with her and focus on her after she had supported his career for so many years.
Dont forget he left them as champions of england with Rooney and Van Persie leading the attack.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 29 Oct 06:39
"Left United in a mess" 😅😅😅
"It was all about him" 😅😅😅
Where to start with this nonsense
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 29 Oct 08:24
Jesus was a joke as he didn`t leave anybody in place to walk in water after he moved on.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Tue 29 Oct 09:05
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 28 Oct 18:08
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 28 Oct 17:33
Zidane doesn`t speak English apparently but I don`t know if that`s essential nowadays.
I`d argue that a good knowledge of English is absolutely essential, wee eck. Very few managers have been successful when having to speak through an interpreter. Remember Unai Emery at Arsenal. How much better is he faring at Villa now that he has a reasonable grasp of the language?
Bielsa at leeds was a huge success
COYP
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 29 Oct 09:11
I`m not sure speaking English is Yorkshire is a prerequisite.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Tue 29 Oct 10:18
Quote:
ipswichpar, Tue 29 Oct 09:11
I`m not sure speaking English is Yorkshire is a prerequisite.
🤣🤣 tbf he did speak some english, he just didnt want the english media to misinterpert his words and twist them, and that whole spying saga was incredible
COYP
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Tue 29 Oct 13:28
Post Edited (Tue 29 Oct 13:33)
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Tue 29 Oct 13:33
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Mon 28 Oct 21:54
The fact that Amorim is almost in the door so quickly would lead you to believe ETH’s sacking has been planned for a while ?
Reports in the MEN suggest recent meetings with Amorim and Xavi’s representatives took place in Barcelona. The new board were there for a meeting with Jim Ratcliffe who was in Barca for the Americas Cup.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 29 Oct 15:52
Quote:
shellypar, Tue 29 Oct 09:05
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 28 Oct 18:08
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 28 Oct 17:33
Zidane doesn`t speak English apparently but I don`t know if that`s essential nowadays.
I`d argue that a good knowledge of English is absolutely essential, wee eck. Very few managers have been successful when having to speak through an interpreter. Remember Unai Emery at Arsenal. How much better is he faring at Villa now that he has a reasonable grasp of the language?
Bielsa at leeds was a huge success
There`s always an exception that proves the rule, shelly. 🙂 And anyway, I did say that only a very few managers who don`t speak the native language are successful. Perhaps Claudio Ranieri is the outstanding example. When he arrived at Chelsea, he spoke no English at all. By the time he returned to the Premier League with Leicester, he spoke a little pidgin English and we all know what happened next.....
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 29 Oct 16:30
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 28 Oct 21:31
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Mon 28 Oct 20:38
Klopp left Liverpool in a good place and deliberately so for a smooth transition.
Fergie left Man Utd with an ageing squad and nothing for the next manager to work with.
Not saying that’s his fault but United have never recovered from the Fergie years much like Aberdeen in Scotland for over three decades (until now hopefully )
Honestly, the whole Fergie left them in a bad way 9 years and 6 managers later just doesn’t hold up for me anymore but can I just ask, are you seriously saying Aberdeen have struggled to recover since November 1986?? 🤷🏻♂️ like at what point do you think the onus is on the club and not on the ex manager?
😂😂😂😂
I can’t help laughing at this like
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not the club itself but their fans couldn’t let it go they were no longer a ‘big’ club for what seemed like decades.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Tue 29 Oct 18:32
Man united?
I`ve heard they used to be really good but it was a long time ago now.
They`re pretty rubbish these days let`s be honest.
I would be very surprised if they finish the season in the top half of the table.
Still , ... They`ll always have the memories 😆
Admin
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 29 Oct 19:10
Quote:
widtink, Tue 29 Oct 18:32
Man united?
I`ve heard they used to be really good but it was a long time ago now.
They`re pretty rubbish these days let`s be honest.
I would be very surprised if they finish the season in the top half of the table.
Still , ... They`ll always have the memories 😆
I`m no fan of Manchester United but them and Liverpool are by far and away the biggest teams in England all the others just have spells that will come and go
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 29 Oct 19:17
Quote:
widtink, Tue 29 Oct 18:32
Man united?
I`ve heard they used to be really good but it was a long time ago now.
They`re pretty rubbish these days let`s be honest.
I would be very surprised if they finish the season in the top half of the table.
Still , ... They`ll always have the memories 😆
Yeah United fans have a generation worth of memories that other clubs will never come close to getting.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Tue 29 Oct 21:34
It doesn`t matter who takes over, the job is a cursed poisoned chalice. Until the curse is lifted,nothing will change.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 29 Oct 21:55
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Tue 29 Oct 21:34
It doesn`t matter who takes over, the job is a cursed poisoned chalice. Until the curse is lifted,nothing will change.
Absolute bollocks
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 30 Oct 06:46
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 29 Oct 19:17
Quote:
widtink, Tue 29 Oct 18:32
Man united?
I`ve heard they used to be really good but it was a long time ago now.
They`re pretty rubbish these days let`s be honest.
I would be very surprised if they finish the season in the top half of the table.
Still , ... They`ll always have the memories 😆
Yeah United fans have a generation worth of memories that other clubs will never come close to getting.
Do you not think Man City are well on their way to a similar achievement, da?
Money talks so they say. If any club is liable to overtake City in a few years time, it is more likely to be Newcastle than Man U, for that simple reason, Once they get a top class manager (no direspect to Eddie Howe intended) and DoF etc, like City have done, I think they`ll be able to attract the best players by offering outrageous salaries.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 30 Oct 08:48
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 30 Oct 06:46
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 29 Oct 19:17
Quote:
widtink, Tue 29 Oct 18:32
Man united?
I`ve heard they used to be really good but it was a long time ago now.
They`re pretty rubbish these days let`s be honest.
I would be very surprised if they finish the season in the top half of the table.
Still , ... They`ll always have the memories 😆
Yeah United fans have a generation worth of memories that other clubs will never come close to getting.
Do you not think Man City are well on their way to a similar achievement, da?
Money talks so they say. If any club is liable to overtake City in a few years time, it is more likely to be Newcastle than Man U, for that simple reason, Once they get a top class manager (no direspect to Eddie Howe intended) and DoF etc, like City have done, I think they`ll be able to attract the best players by offering outrageous salaries.
Citys achievements are currently overshadowed in wild litigation matters that tarnish their growth since 2008….people will say “but its not the players that cheated” whilst forgetting that the only reason they could achieve getting these managers/players is through fraud. Thats if they are found guilty of course…..
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 30 Oct 09:58
City without their owners would slide back to mediocrity. United have the largest fan base in the world and I think are only overshadowed by Real and Barca in revenue.
No structure or actual game plan has been the downfall of United
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 30 Oct 10:41
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 28 Oct 16:51
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 28 Oct 15:51
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Mon 28 Oct 12:49
It’s been a long time coming this one, how he got the time there that he did, is beyond me.
I don’t really follow “Champions League” football, but what obvious manager is out there to take over from him? They’ve had some really baffling appointments since Sir Alex retired.
Correct, BB. David Moyes was Fergie`s recommendation of course and he might have succeeded if he had kept Fergie`s backroom staff instead of clearing them out and bringing in his own team. Successive appointments were equally poor if not worse. United really missed the boat by failing to hire either Pep or Klopp and that`s not being wise after the event - I said so at the time. Van Gaal and Mourinho were not good fits at OT and I don`t know how the decision makers could possibly have thought differently.
Ten Hag has struggled from day 1. He doesn`t appear to be great at building a good relationship with the players in his squad.
There seems to be this myth that Mourinho was terrible at United - in 2 seasons he won a League Cup, Europa League, finished 2nd to City (which may be given to them eventually) and had a 58% win ratio for them 😂 hardly awful.
Also United a club not afraid of finally punting a manager - unlike some clubs…..
Maybe something to do with deep pockets, or is that beyond you.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 30 Oct 10:54
GG I just can`t see them dominating English football in the same way United and Liverpool did in the past, especially when Pep moves on. Just my opinion.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Wed 30 Oct 11:04
Sir Alex won 13 titles in 26 years and Pep has won 6 in 8 I think? Man City have won 10 league titles in their history compared to 20 for Man Utd.It won`t take long for the gap to close on current form.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 30 Oct 11:07
It`s certainly difficult to see the team that`s won 8 of the last 13 Premier League titles dominating English football.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 30 Oct 11:20
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 30 Oct 11:07
It`s certainly difficult to see the team that`s won 8 of the last 13 Premier League titles dominating English football.
Awfy sorry for having an opinion that goes against the grain.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 30 Oct 16:47
Quote:
da_no_1, Wed 30 Oct 10:54
GG I just can`t see them dominating English football in the same way United and Liverpool did in the past, especially when Pep moves on. Just my opinion.
No problem having a different opinion, but does it stand up to close scrutiny? Man City have been pretty dominant domestically since Pep arrived. Of course, it`s not solely down to him - he has sports directors and directors of football, or whatever they`re called, to help him bring in the best players money can buy, and money is no object, of course.
Liverpool were no great shakes until Shankly arrived. He was obsessive and transformed the club from top to bottom. When he retired, he was replaced by a succession of good managers; Bob Paisley, Joe Faagan, Kenny Dalglish. Herself and the European ban hit them hard and the managers following Dalglish didn`t enjoy the same success. This was due at least in part, to the appointment of Alex Ferguson at OT. Importantly, neither club was short of funds during their years of dominance.
In conclusion, we can say that if a club is minted and hires a top manager, it has an excellent chance of dominating its domestic competitions. Think Bayern, PSG, Celtic..... Newcastle will be in the frame before long - they have the money, all they have to do is hire the very best manager they can get, along with a head of recruitment to bring in the players that manager wants and they`ll lift off. Like it or not, the PL is awash with cash.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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