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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Sun 24 Nov 12:34
Couldn’t have 2 totally different interviews from mcpake and bene. At least bene was more honest about things. Mcpake just doing his usual trying to tart up another poor effort.
I don’t think there’s been many games this season he’s not had to say I’ve had to change 3 players at half time or change shape because it’s not working.
I think he knows the games up for him and he’s just waiting on the new owners putting him out his misery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xREyH116CVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PxT9Coo_vA
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 12:43
Is that not a case of being damned if you do and damned if you don`t? With the number of subs now allowed managers can pay less attention to potential injuries when deciding on changes and can also make protective subs by removing players on a yellow card. Sometimes players don`t play as well as anticipated and deserve to be subbed.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 12:48
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 12:43
Is that not a case of being damned if you do and damned if you don`t? With the number of subs now allowed managers can pay less attention to potential injuries when deciding on changes and can also make protective subs by removing players on a yellow card. Sometimes players don`t play as well as anticipated and deserve to be subbed.
Not really if they weren`t so poor then he wouldn`t have to change almost 1/4 of the team he picked to start the game. In saying that our best CB is on the bench and our only player that will gather any outside interest started at CB the man is clueless and is taking the club for a ride as he knows he won`t get sacked.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:07
I don`t see any logic in `taking the club for a ride`. Managers may make decisions fans don`t agree with but I`m sure they think it`s the best way to try and win a game. Any other approach would probably mean the end of their career in football.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:17
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wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 13:07
I don`t see any logic in `taking the club for a ride`. Managers may make decisions fans don`t agree with but I`m sure they think it`s the best way to try and win a game. Any other approach would probably mean the end of their career in football.
Having our best CB on the bench and being second bottom of the league while using the same tactics with no signs of changing our fortune isn`t the best way to win a game. Bene called it we weren`t good enough and haven`t been for a majority of our games.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:21
For me, Bene was criticising the players as much as the manager - and in another post you said we were the better team! Which was it?
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:23
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 13:07
I don`t see any logic in `taking the club for a ride`. Managers may make decisions fans don`t agree with but I`m sure they think it`s the best way to try and win a game. Any other approach would probably mean the end of their career in football.
Wee Eck,the management team simply do not know a team to pick to go out and win a game.Its like watching Sunday league ( no disrespect to sunday league )Almost every game management is changing formation mid way through the game ,seems like panic .We have a numbervof players playingbout of position ,three center backs on the bench who he brought in but rather play them in their position we play others out of position .Almost like hes playing his personal favorites.Yesterday he once again takes off Kane stating he cant last a full game ,Dont think Kane agreed with this yesterday If he hasnt lost the dressing room support then it cant be far away .No player wants to loose .Over 40 years following the pars and lost total interest like many other fans ,certainly not the club of the past no battle ,when we go behind 9 tomes out of 10 its heads down and game over .
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:29
where is Bene interview
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:30
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 24 Nov 13:29
where is Bene interview
On YouTube
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:35
I share your frustration, Al. When it comes to team selection I`m always wary of criticising the manager`s choice because he is privy to a lot more information about the players than I am. I think Young was `rested` after his form shaded a wee bit. I`ve no idea why Fogarty is now out of favour. It dates from his return from international duty I think but I don`t know if that`s significant.
Early in the season McPake was accused of favouring Kane when he was `injury prone` now you seem to be saying he has gone against him. Who knows for sure? No player likes to lose but the same can be said for managers. If he makes changes he is criticised, likewise if he doesn`t. I think he was thrown under the bus when his budget was restricted and it has proved very difficult to recover from such a poor start.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 24 Nov 14:07
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wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 13:35
I share your frustration, Al. When it comes to team selection I`m always wary of criticising the manager`s choice because he is privy to a lot more information about the players than I am. I think Young was `rested` after his form shaded a wee bit. I`ve no idea why Fogarty is now out of favour. It dates from his return from international duty I think but I don`t know if that`s significant.
Early in the season McPake was accused of favouring Kane when he was `injury prone` now you seem to be saying he has gone against him. Who knows for sure? No player likes to lose but the same can be said for managers. If he makes changes he is criticised, likewise if he doesn`t. I think he was thrown under the bus when his budget was restricted and it has proved very difficult to recover from such a poor start.
Eck,all i was saying was when he took off Kane yesterday the player himself was not happy and there were words between the both of them,which is unusual from Kane. Now no player likes to be taken of unless injured ,My opinion and thats all it is that he is being over protective ,right or wrong
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sun 24 Nov 14:31
I watched the 2 interviews and was pleased that Bene saw the game as it was.
On that point, give McPake gardening leave, and give Bene the job as player
manager. He surely would do a better job than McPake.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Nov 14:32
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 12:43
Is that not a case of being damned if you do and damned if you don`t? With the number of subs now allowed managers can pay less attention to potential injuries when deciding on changes and can also make protective subs by removing players on a yellow card. Sometimes players don`t play as well as anticipated and deserve to be subbed.
He’s changing it because of poor performance-he’s even saying that himself
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 14:47
It would be poor management if he didn`t make changes as a result of poor performance. That`s the point I was making. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn`t.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Nov 14:50
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 14:47
It would be poor management if he didn`t make changes as a result of poor performance. That`s the point I was making. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn`t.
Every week. Every half time or shortly after it. At what point does he shoulder the responsibility for getting his line up/formation wrong?
COYP
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 24 Nov 14:54
Quote:
Jock Par36, Sun 24 Nov 14:31give McPake gardening leave, and give Bene the job as player
manager. He surely would do a better job than McPake.
Not a bad shout.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:02
For me the frustration with McPake is for a long time he`s sounded and looked done, treading water, I can`t help but assume he feels he`s due a payoff or is wrangling for one. On the one hand the investors done him dirty and pursued their vanity project at the expense of the first team bit on the other hand his signings haven`t ignited the old heather.
Obviously I would like McPake to have the integrity or pride to stand down but he,for me, has neither. Now you could argue why should he and you wouldn`t be wrong, however I reserve the right to resent him for it, at this point I feel he`s bound to know the only way is down for him and he`s on grift mode.
His bland, turd polishing interviews I illustrate this in my humble opinion.
At least Bene shows a bit of passion and honesty.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:03
Bene was fair, yet again rubbish on the ball with no noticeable passages of play. But then mcpake hasn’t brought anyone in who can advance with or without the ball and create a bit of space for themselves. It’s all a bit of hard work but very little actual talent.
Not 1 single player is on form or has been all season, multiple changes every week with further changes required at half time and it so rarely clicks. He doesn’t know his best team and the quality of players we have isn’t good enough when they are out of form (and for some even when they are in form)
Something isn’t right at the club, no one happy in the club or in the stands. Mcpake spending more time updating his CV for when he lands that next big job in league 1.
Big change coming in January if all goes well. I just hope the buyers have identified a new manager and he’s already working on his targets.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:40
Therein lies the difference. A defeated manager, you can argue he’s not been backed by the board, making excuses but little to say.
An angry, straight talking captain, a genuine leader, maybe he deserves the chance to take over.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:43
Quote:
SeasonedPar, Sun 24 Nov 15:40
Therein lies the difference. A defeated manager, you can argue he’s not been backed by the board, making excuses but little to say.
An angry, straight talking captain, a genuine leader, maybe he deserves the chance to take over.
Has he got the badges to take over ?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:50
This is unbelievable. We don`t even know if Bene is interested in coaching or management but he`s already being touted to take over from McPake - this from people criticising how the club is run!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:52
Eck folk, including me, are desperate. We need a change. I`m sick of watching the weeks pass by.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:57
I don`t think desperation is the best basis for making rational decisions.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:06
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 15:57
I don`t think desperation is the best basis for making rational decisions.
And how long do rational decisions make......
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:12
This forum... Give Bene the job cos he does a "better" post match interview!? A new low for the forum surely?
Bene may turn out to be a good manager but if/when he gets a job, hopefully it`s based on more than this.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:15
I think the point some guys are making is Mcpake has had 3 years of garbage football ,some pretty shocking recruitment, so pretty much anyone would be an upgrade.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:17
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 15:50
This is unbelievable. We don`t even know if Bene is interested in coaching or management but he`s already being touted to take over from McPake - this from people criticising how the club is run!
Just for the record, I didn`t tout Bene for any job, just appreciated the direct answers.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:32
Just for the record, I didn`t say you did.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:32
Eck was telling folk not to panic under Grant and Hughes, indeed it was only when he stepped upon the Number 7B to Kelty that it seemingly sunk in.
The devils advocate stance aligned with the constant defence of the club is becoming a laughing stock or an elaborate troll.
Supporters can see change is required but are having to accept that the cowardly owners won’t cough up for a new manager and are therefore looking to within.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:35
Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Sun 24 Nov 16:32
Eck was telling folk not to panic under Grant and Hughes, indeed it was only when he stepped upon the Number 7B to Kelty that it seemingly sunk in.
The devils advocate stance aligned with the constant defence of the club is becoming a laughing stock or an elaborate troll.
Supporters can see change is required but are having to accept that the cowardly owners won’t cough up for a new manager and are therefore looking to within.
I’ll reserve judgement on calling them cowardly because I don’t know everything that is in play in the background but it definitely doesn’t look good.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:42
The going got tough and they ran away, that’s a coward.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:47
Here we go again - my alleged constant defence of the club.
I was one of the first to raise the issue of having no reserve keeper signed at the start of the season. I`ve never liked playing with three CBs and favoured more wide players. Only today I criticised the board for restricting the manager`s budget.
There`s an awful lot of confirmation bias on this forum and it extends to fellow-posters as well as directors, management and players. I wouldn`t like to be in the dock with a lot of the posters on here on the jury,
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:52
Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Sun 24 Nov 16:42
The going got tough and they ran away, that’s a coward.
If you’re meaning the Germans then yes I 100% agree. Cowardly is one of the descriptions applicable…
If you mean local directors then I’m reserving my judgment. Time will tell
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:54
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 16:47
Here we go again - my alleged constant defence of the club.
I was one of the first to raise the issue of having no reserve keeper signed at the start of the season. I`ve never liked playing with three CBs and favoured more wide players. Only today I criticised the board for restricting the manager`s budget.
There`s an awful lot of confirmation bias on this forum and it extends to fellow-posters as well as directors, management and players. I wouldn`t like to be in the dock with a lot of the posters on here on the jury,
Honestly Eck, some of your comments read like you’re jumping to the defence of either the club or the manager even if that’s not what you’re meaning, it’s how it’s reading.
I’ll make similar mistakes myself but it’s sometimes the difficulty of reading posts on social media.
COYP
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:55
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 16:47
Here we go again - my alleged constant defence of the club.
I was one of the first to raise the issue of having no reserve keeper signed at the start of the season. I`ve never liked playing with three CBs and favoured more wide players. Only today I criticised the board for restricting the manager`s budget.
There`s an awful lot of confirmation bias on this forum and it extends to fellow-posters as well as directors, management and players. I wouldn`t like to be in the dock with a lot of the posters on here on the jury,
You were defending players like Wighton getting a new deal how has that worked out for us?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:09
So is no one allowed to agree with anything the club or its employees do? Is it all or nothing because that`s the impression I get? Nuanced opinions are not welcome. I`ve given three instances where I haven`t agreed with the club `line` but they`re just ignored. I`m a `happy clapper` apparently.
To me that`s a bullying culture - if you`re not for us you`re against us. How do you guys get on at work or in life generally? How do you deal with people who have a different opinion from you?
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:14
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 17:09
So is no one allowed to agree with anything the club or its employees do? Is it all or nothing because that`s the impression I get? Nuanced opinions are not welcome. I`ve given three instances where I haven`t agreed with the club `line` but they`re just ignored. I`m a `happy clapper` apparently.
To me that`s a bullying culture - if you`re not for us you`re against us. How do you guys get on at work or in life generally? How do you deal with people who have a different opinion from you?
For the most part you don`t always have a differing opinion, you are more inclined to question someone else`s opinion than to give your take on what particular subject is being debated
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:20
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 17:09
So is no one allowed to agree with anything the club or its employees do? Is it all or nothing because that`s the impression I get? Nuanced opinions are not welcome. I`ve given three instances where I haven`t agreed with the club `line` but they`re just ignored. I`m a `happy clapper` apparently.
To me that`s a bullying culture - if you`re not for us you`re against us. How do you guys get on at work or in life generally? How do you deal with people who have a different opinion from you?
Agree or disagree with what you want. Others can disagree or agree with what they want and everyone is allowed to reply to anything 🤷🏻♂️
Honestly I can think of other folk who post here who gets pellets for their opinions but I can’t remember them posting about a bullying culture.
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:21
What difference does it make whether you state an opinion or respond to someone else`s? A quick review of this thread would refute your claim that I only question other people`s opinion.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:21
"I`ve no idea why Fogarty is now out of favour. It dates from his return from international duty I think but I don`t know if that`s significant."
Yes and no - he was missing after the first international break then came in seemingly from the cold at Queens Park. He was then hauled off at half time in that game (tbf he was turned inside out for the opening goal) then missed out entirely due to the next international break.
None of which excuses playing Otoo at the back with the plodding Chalmers/Clay pivot playing ahead of him in midfield.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:24
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 17:09
So is no one allowed to agree with anything the club or its employees do? Is it all or nothing because that`s the impression I get? Nuanced opinions are not welcome. I`ve given three instances where I haven`t agreed with the club `line` but they`re just ignored. I`m a `happy clapper` apparently.
To me that`s a bullying culture - if you`re not for us you`re against us. How do you guys get on at work or in life generally? How do you deal with people who have a different opinion from you?
I`ve just had an appraisal and a good bonus for a productive year I`m just fine at my work.
Back to the actual point. When I pointed out the stats wighton has I was told I was twisting things to fit my point and weirdly enough he had had another disaster of a season so far. I also stayed I thought we would struggle and will be in a relegation dog fight and you came out with some other guff and we find ourselves second bottom in a relegation dog fight. The point I`m making is putting glitter on dung at the end of the day it`s still dung. Sometimes you need to look at the situation and say it for what it is which is a disaster and quite frankly not good enough instead of constantly defending the indefensible.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:38
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 24 Nov 15:43
Quote:
SeasonedPar, Sun 24 Nov 15:40
Therein lies the difference. A defeated manager, you can argue he’s not been backed by the board, making excuses but little to say.
An angry, straight talking captain, a genuine leader, maybe he deserves the chance to take over.
Has he got the badges to take over ?
I’ve no idea Cammypar, and no idea if they’re essential. The current manager has them, not sure that’s been a bonus?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:42
I think your response just backs up the point I was making so there`s no part in continuing the debate as far as I`m concerned.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:53
Quote:
SeasonedPar, Sun 24 Nov 17:38
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cammypar 1995, Sun 24 Nov 15:43
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SeasonedPar, Sun 24 Nov 15:40
Therein lies the difference. A defeated manager, you can argue he’s not been backed by the board, making excuses but little to say.
An angry, straight talking captain, a genuine leader, maybe he deserves the chance to take over.
Has he got the badges to take over ?
I’ve no idea Cammypar, and no idea if they’re essential. The current manager has them, not sure that’s been a bonus?
You do need certain qualifications even to manage what used to be the junior leagues. So I`d imagine you will need a certain level. What it is I don`t know but usually uefa a/b/c are the categories. Remember hearts had the issue as Naismith didn`t have the requirements when he first was there.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:54
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wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 17:42
I think your response just backs up the point I was making so there`s no part in continuing the debate as far as I`m concerned.
And how is that ?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sun 24 Nov 18:48
Naismith couldn’t manage in Europe as he didn’t have his pro licence, but was the coach for Hearts first team games.
Most Jambos agree he was a good player but a hopeless manager.
Back on topic, I’m not sure there’s any reason to stop a player taking over in our league. Not that there’s a vacancy atm.
Post Edited (Sun 24 Nov 18:50)
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Sun 24 Nov 19:09
`Back on topic, I’m not sure there’s any reason to stop a player taking over in our league. Not that there’s a vacancy atm.`
The job holder shall be qualified for the role. The minimum mandatory requirement is as follows: a) have a Level 3 (Adult) Qualification or b) have a UEFA Recognition of Competence Award. FROM 2025: The minimum mandatory requirement will be as follows: a) have a Level 3 (Adult) Qualification and have applied to start or have commenced the Level 4 (Adult) Course. or b) have a UEFA Recognition
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