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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Sun 24 Nov 12:34
Couldn’t have 2 totally different interviews from mcpake and bene. At least bene was more honest about things. Mcpake just doing his usual trying to tart up another poor effort.
I don’t think there’s been many games this season he’s not had to say I’ve had to change 3 players at half time or change shape because it’s not working.
I think he knows the games up for him and he’s just waiting on the new owners putting him out his misery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xREyH116CVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PxT9Coo_vA
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 12:43
Is that not a case of being damned if you do and damned if you don`t? With the number of subs now allowed managers can pay less attention to potential injuries when deciding on changes and can also make protective subs by removing players on a yellow card. Sometimes players don`t play as well as anticipated and deserve to be subbed.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 12:48
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 12:43
Is that not a case of being damned if you do and damned if you don`t? With the number of subs now allowed managers can pay less attention to potential injuries when deciding on changes and can also make protective subs by removing players on a yellow card. Sometimes players don`t play as well as anticipated and deserve to be subbed.
Not really if they weren`t so poor then he wouldn`t have to change almost 1/4 of the team he picked to start the game. In saying that our best CB is on the bench and our only player that will gather any outside interest started at CB the man is clueless and is taking the club for a ride as he knows he won`t get sacked.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:07
I don`t see any logic in `taking the club for a ride`. Managers may make decisions fans don`t agree with but I`m sure they think it`s the best way to try and win a game. Any other approach would probably mean the end of their career in football.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:17
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wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 13:07
I don`t see any logic in `taking the club for a ride`. Managers may make decisions fans don`t agree with but I`m sure they think it`s the best way to try and win a game. Any other approach would probably mean the end of their career in football.
Having our best CB on the bench and being second bottom of the league while using the same tactics with no signs of changing our fortune isn`t the best way to win a game. Bene called it we weren`t good enough and haven`t been for a majority of our games.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:21
For me, Bene was criticising the players as much as the manager - and in another post you said we were the better team! Which was it?
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:23
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 13:07
I don`t see any logic in `taking the club for a ride`. Managers may make decisions fans don`t agree with but I`m sure they think it`s the best way to try and win a game. Any other approach would probably mean the end of their career in football.
Wee Eck,the management team simply do not know a team to pick to go out and win a game.Its like watching Sunday league ( no disrespect to sunday league )Almost every game management is changing formation mid way through the game ,seems like panic .We have a numbervof players playingbout of position ,three center backs on the bench who he brought in but rather play them in their position we play others out of position .Almost like hes playing his personal favorites.Yesterday he once again takes off Kane stating he cant last a full game ,Dont think Kane agreed with this yesterday If he hasnt lost the dressing room support then it cant be far away .No player wants to loose .Over 40 years following the pars and lost total interest like many other fans ,certainly not the club of the past no battle ,when we go behind 9 tomes out of 10 its heads down and game over .
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:29
where is Bene interview
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:30
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 24 Nov 13:29
where is Bene interview
On YouTube
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 13:35
I share your frustration, Al. When it comes to team selection I`m always wary of criticising the manager`s choice because he is privy to a lot more information about the players than I am. I think Young was `rested` after his form shaded a wee bit. I`ve no idea why Fogarty is now out of favour. It dates from his return from international duty I think but I don`t know if that`s significant.
Early in the season McPake was accused of favouring Kane when he was `injury prone` now you seem to be saying he has gone against him. Who knows for sure? No player likes to lose but the same can be said for managers. If he makes changes he is criticised, likewise if he doesn`t. I think he was thrown under the bus when his budget was restricted and it has proved very difficult to recover from such a poor start.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 24 Nov 14:07
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wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 13:35
I share your frustration, Al. When it comes to team selection I`m always wary of criticising the manager`s choice because he is privy to a lot more information about the players than I am. I think Young was `rested` after his form shaded a wee bit. I`ve no idea why Fogarty is now out of favour. It dates from his return from international duty I think but I don`t know if that`s significant.
Early in the season McPake was accused of favouring Kane when he was `injury prone` now you seem to be saying he has gone against him. Who knows for sure? No player likes to lose but the same can be said for managers. If he makes changes he is criticised, likewise if he doesn`t. I think he was thrown under the bus when his budget was restricted and it has proved very difficult to recover from such a poor start.
Eck,all i was saying was when he took off Kane yesterday the player himself was not happy and there were words between the both of them,which is unusual from Kane. Now no player likes to be taken of unless injured ,My opinion and thats all it is that he is being over protective ,right or wrong
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sun 24 Nov 14:31
I watched the 2 interviews and was pleased that Bene saw the game as it was.
On that point, give McPake gardening leave, and give Bene the job as player
manager. He surely would do a better job than McPake.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Nov 14:32
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 12:43
Is that not a case of being damned if you do and damned if you don`t? With the number of subs now allowed managers can pay less attention to potential injuries when deciding on changes and can also make protective subs by removing players on a yellow card. Sometimes players don`t play as well as anticipated and deserve to be subbed.
He’s changing it because of poor performance-he’s even saying that himself
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 14:47
It would be poor management if he didn`t make changes as a result of poor performance. That`s the point I was making. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn`t.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Nov 14:50
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 14:47
It would be poor management if he didn`t make changes as a result of poor performance. That`s the point I was making. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn`t.
Every week. Every half time or shortly after it. At what point does he shoulder the responsibility for getting his line up/formation wrong?
COYP
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 24 Nov 14:54
Quote:
Jock Par36, Sun 24 Nov 14:31give McPake gardening leave, and give Bene the job as player
manager. He surely would do a better job than McPake.
Not a bad shout.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:02
For me the frustration with McPake is for a long time he`s sounded and looked done, treading water, I can`t help but assume he feels he`s due a payoff or is wrangling for one. On the one hand the investors done him dirty and pursued their vanity project at the expense of the first team bit on the other hand his signings haven`t ignited the old heather.
Obviously I would like McPake to have the integrity or pride to stand down but he,for me, has neither. Now you could argue why should he and you wouldn`t be wrong, however I reserve the right to resent him for it, at this point I feel he`s bound to know the only way is down for him and he`s on grift mode.
His bland, turd polishing interviews I illustrate this in my humble opinion.
At least Bene shows a bit of passion and honesty.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:03
Bene was fair, yet again rubbish on the ball with no noticeable passages of play. But then mcpake hasn’t brought anyone in who can advance with or without the ball and create a bit of space for themselves. It’s all a bit of hard work but very little actual talent.
Not 1 single player is on form or has been all season, multiple changes every week with further changes required at half time and it so rarely clicks. He doesn’t know his best team and the quality of players we have isn’t good enough when they are out of form (and for some even when they are in form)
Something isn’t right at the club, no one happy in the club or in the stands. Mcpake spending more time updating his CV for when he lands that next big job in league 1.
Big change coming in January if all goes well. I just hope the buyers have identified a new manager and he’s already working on his targets.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:40
Therein lies the difference. A defeated manager, you can argue he’s not been backed by the board, making excuses but little to say.
An angry, straight talking captain, a genuine leader, maybe he deserves the chance to take over.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:43
Quote:
SeasonedPar, Sun 24 Nov 15:40
Therein lies the difference. A defeated manager, you can argue he’s not been backed by the board, making excuses but little to say.
An angry, straight talking captain, a genuine leader, maybe he deserves the chance to take over.
Has he got the badges to take over ?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:50
This is unbelievable. We don`t even know if Bene is interested in coaching or management but he`s already being touted to take over from McPake - this from people criticising how the club is run!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:52
Eck folk, including me, are desperate. We need a change. I`m sick of watching the weeks pass by.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 15:57
I don`t think desperation is the best basis for making rational decisions.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:06
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 15:57
I don`t think desperation is the best basis for making rational decisions.
And how long do rational decisions make......
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:12
This forum... Give Bene the job cos he does a "better" post match interview!? A new low for the forum surely?
Bene may turn out to be a good manager but if/when he gets a job, hopefully it`s based on more than this.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:15
I think the point some guys are making is Mcpake has had 3 years of garbage football ,some pretty shocking recruitment, so pretty much anyone would be an upgrade.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:17
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 15:50
This is unbelievable. We don`t even know if Bene is interested in coaching or management but he`s already being touted to take over from McPake - this from people criticising how the club is run!
Just for the record, I didn`t tout Bene for any job, just appreciated the direct answers.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:32
Just for the record, I didn`t say you did.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:32
Eck was telling folk not to panic under Grant and Hughes, indeed it was only when he stepped upon the Number 7B to Kelty that it seemingly sunk in.
The devils advocate stance aligned with the constant defence of the club is becoming a laughing stock or an elaborate troll.
Supporters can see change is required but are having to accept that the cowardly owners won’t cough up for a new manager and are therefore looking to within.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:35
Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Sun 24 Nov 16:32
Eck was telling folk not to panic under Grant and Hughes, indeed it was only when he stepped upon the Number 7B to Kelty that it seemingly sunk in.
The devils advocate stance aligned with the constant defence of the club is becoming a laughing stock or an elaborate troll.
Supporters can see change is required but are having to accept that the cowardly owners won’t cough up for a new manager and are therefore looking to within.
I’ll reserve judgement on calling them cowardly because I don’t know everything that is in play in the background but it definitely doesn’t look good.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:42
The going got tough and they ran away, that’s a coward.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:47
Here we go again - my alleged constant defence of the club.
I was one of the first to raise the issue of having no reserve keeper signed at the start of the season. I`ve never liked playing with three CBs and favoured more wide players. Only today I criticised the board for restricting the manager`s budget.
There`s an awful lot of confirmation bias on this forum and it extends to fellow-posters as well as directors, management and players. I wouldn`t like to be in the dock with a lot of the posters on here on the jury,
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:52
Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Sun 24 Nov 16:42
The going got tough and they ran away, that’s a coward.
If you’re meaning the Germans then yes I 100% agree. Cowardly is one of the descriptions applicable…
If you mean local directors then I’m reserving my judgment. Time will tell
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:54
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 16:47
Here we go again - my alleged constant defence of the club.
I was one of the first to raise the issue of having no reserve keeper signed at the start of the season. I`ve never liked playing with three CBs and favoured more wide players. Only today I criticised the board for restricting the manager`s budget.
There`s an awful lot of confirmation bias on this forum and it extends to fellow-posters as well as directors, management and players. I wouldn`t like to be in the dock with a lot of the posters on here on the jury,
Honestly Eck, some of your comments read like you’re jumping to the defence of either the club or the manager even if that’s not what you’re meaning, it’s how it’s reading.
I’ll make similar mistakes myself but it’s sometimes the difficulty of reading posts on social media.
COYP
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 16:55
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 16:47
Here we go again - my alleged constant defence of the club.
I was one of the first to raise the issue of having no reserve keeper signed at the start of the season. I`ve never liked playing with three CBs and favoured more wide players. Only today I criticised the board for restricting the manager`s budget.
There`s an awful lot of confirmation bias on this forum and it extends to fellow-posters as well as directors, management and players. I wouldn`t like to be in the dock with a lot of the posters on here on the jury,
You were defending players like Wighton getting a new deal how has that worked out for us?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:09
So is no one allowed to agree with anything the club or its employees do? Is it all or nothing because that`s the impression I get? Nuanced opinions are not welcome. I`ve given three instances where I haven`t agreed with the club `line` but they`re just ignored. I`m a `happy clapper` apparently.
To me that`s a bullying culture - if you`re not for us you`re against us. How do you guys get on at work or in life generally? How do you deal with people who have a different opinion from you?
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:14
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 17:09
So is no one allowed to agree with anything the club or its employees do? Is it all or nothing because that`s the impression I get? Nuanced opinions are not welcome. I`ve given three instances where I haven`t agreed with the club `line` but they`re just ignored. I`m a `happy clapper` apparently.
To me that`s a bullying culture - if you`re not for us you`re against us. How do you guys get on at work or in life generally? How do you deal with people who have a different opinion from you?
For the most part you don`t always have a differing opinion, you are more inclined to question someone else`s opinion than to give your take on what particular subject is being debated
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:20
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 17:09
So is no one allowed to agree with anything the club or its employees do? Is it all or nothing because that`s the impression I get? Nuanced opinions are not welcome. I`ve given three instances where I haven`t agreed with the club `line` but they`re just ignored. I`m a `happy clapper` apparently.
To me that`s a bullying culture - if you`re not for us you`re against us. How do you guys get on at work or in life generally? How do you deal with people who have a different opinion from you?
Agree or disagree with what you want. Others can disagree or agree with what they want and everyone is allowed to reply to anything 🤷🏻♂️
Honestly I can think of other folk who post here who gets pellets for their opinions but I can’t remember them posting about a bullying culture.
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:21
What difference does it make whether you state an opinion or respond to someone else`s? A quick review of this thread would refute your claim that I only question other people`s opinion.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:21
"I`ve no idea why Fogarty is now out of favour. It dates from his return from international duty I think but I don`t know if that`s significant."
Yes and no - he was missing after the first international break then came in seemingly from the cold at Queens Park. He was then hauled off at half time in that game (tbf he was turned inside out for the opening goal) then missed out entirely due to the next international break.
None of which excuses playing Otoo at the back with the plodding Chalmers/Clay pivot playing ahead of him in midfield.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:24
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 17:09
So is no one allowed to agree with anything the club or its employees do? Is it all or nothing because that`s the impression I get? Nuanced opinions are not welcome. I`ve given three instances where I haven`t agreed with the club `line` but they`re just ignored. I`m a `happy clapper` apparently.
To me that`s a bullying culture - if you`re not for us you`re against us. How do you guys get on at work or in life generally? How do you deal with people who have a different opinion from you?
I`ve just had an appraisal and a good bonus for a productive year I`m just fine at my work.
Back to the actual point. When I pointed out the stats wighton has I was told I was twisting things to fit my point and weirdly enough he had had another disaster of a season so far. I also stayed I thought we would struggle and will be in a relegation dog fight and you came out with some other guff and we find ourselves second bottom in a relegation dog fight. The point I`m making is putting glitter on dung at the end of the day it`s still dung. Sometimes you need to look at the situation and say it for what it is which is a disaster and quite frankly not good enough instead of constantly defending the indefensible.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:38
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 24 Nov 15:43
Quote:
SeasonedPar, Sun 24 Nov 15:40
Therein lies the difference. A defeated manager, you can argue he’s not been backed by the board, making excuses but little to say.
An angry, straight talking captain, a genuine leader, maybe he deserves the chance to take over.
Has he got the badges to take over ?
I’ve no idea Cammypar, and no idea if they’re essential. The current manager has them, not sure that’s been a bonus?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:42
I think your response just backs up the point I was making so there`s no part in continuing the debate as far as I`m concerned.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:53
Quote:
SeasonedPar, Sun 24 Nov 17:38
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cammypar 1995, Sun 24 Nov 15:43
Quote:
SeasonedPar, Sun 24 Nov 15:40
Therein lies the difference. A defeated manager, you can argue he’s not been backed by the board, making excuses but little to say.
An angry, straight talking captain, a genuine leader, maybe he deserves the chance to take over.
Has he got the badges to take over ?
I’ve no idea Cammypar, and no idea if they’re essential. The current manager has them, not sure that’s been a bonus?
You do need certain qualifications even to manage what used to be the junior leagues. So I`d imagine you will need a certain level. What it is I don`t know but usually uefa a/b/c are the categories. Remember hearts had the issue as Naismith didn`t have the requirements when he first was there.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:54
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wee eck, Sun 24 Nov 17:42
I think your response just backs up the point I was making so there`s no part in continuing the debate as far as I`m concerned.
And how is that ?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sun 24 Nov 18:48
Naismith couldn’t manage in Europe as he didn’t have his pro licence, but was the coach for Hearts first team games.
Most Jambos agree he was a good player but a hopeless manager.
Back on topic, I’m not sure there’s any reason to stop a player taking over in our league. Not that there’s a vacancy atm.
Post Edited (Sun 24 Nov 18:50)
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Sun 24 Nov 19:09
`Back on topic, I’m not sure there’s any reason to stop a player taking over in our league. Not that there’s a vacancy atm.`
The job holder shall be qualified for the role. The minimum mandatory requirement is as follows: a) have a Level 3 (Adult) Qualification or b) have a UEFA Recognition of Competence Award. FROM 2025: The minimum mandatory requirement will be as follows: a) have a Level 3 (Adult) Qualification and have applied to start or have commenced the Level 4 (Adult) Course. or b) have a UEFA Recognition
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sun 24 Nov 20:02
Quote:
pars4life1, Sun 24 Nov 19:09
`Back on topic, I’m not sure there’s any reason to stop a player taking over in our league. Not that there’s a vacancy atm.`
The job holder shall be qualified for the role. The minimum mandatory requirement is as follows: a) have a Level 3 (Adult) Qualification or b) have a UEFA Recognition of Competence Award. FROM 2025: The minimum mandatory requirement will be as follows: a) have a Level 3 (Adult) Qualification and have applied to start or have commenced the Level 4 (Adult) Course. or b) have a UEFA Recognition
Thanks P4l
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Mon 25 Nov 00:17
Problem, is not always manger or board, but players have massive responsibility for being very poor and have little desire
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 25 Nov 09:36
The bear - We’ve set ourselves up this season in that respect too, a lot of these players are out of contract at the end of the season and know any new manager will likely not want them as proven to not be good enough so why bother now?
Half this squad and the management team are currently phoning it in. Some may up their game once the new manager comes in but most don’t have that extra gear hence we are where we are.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 25 Nov 09:52
Must be an awfy lot of players "phoning it in" given the amount of 1 year deals handed out every summer.
Still to see evidence that our squad has chucked it, I've watched these guys leave the pitch.
I'm convinced with a more attacking mindset we're capable of rising a couple of places in the league at least
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 25 Nov 09:56)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 25 Nov 10:00
I think that`s harsh Berkey, McPake is the one phoning it in and that surely rubs off on the players.
Sure you can talk about professional standards but they`re bound to know their manager is hanging around for a payoff.
Mix that in with the boring tactics and bizarre line up picks it must be demoralising. Sure there are a couple of grifters that know their full time gig is up but the majority I think are just jaded.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 25 Nov 10:21
Factor in the mess we`re in currently with the rumoured takeover and it`s understandable why every employee at the club might be a bit distracted.
It`s bizarre how some folk think players are robots.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 25 Nov 10:27
Aren`t the players on some sort of bonus scheme to keep them interested?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 25 Nov 10:36
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 25 Nov 10:27
Aren`t the players on some sort of bonus scheme to keep them interested?
Can open......worms everywhere
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 25 Nov 10:42
I was lucky enough to have a direct eyeline to see the intent in Kane’s eyes and face after being substituted. Phoning it in is not a phrase I would have used for that lad and is quite disrespectful a phrase for players who are either playing with injuries, out of confidence, out of position, lack of ability. Doesn’t mean they are phoning it in….
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 25 Nov 10:45
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wee eck, Mon 25 Nov 10:27
Aren`t the players on some sort of bonus scheme to keep them interested?
If so it`s not working is it?
I`m sorry but listening to McPake every week is mind numbing, can you imagine it every day? Trying to raise yourself when your gaffer is so done?
He doesn`t care, sure he was sold short by the runaway owners but he`s letting us all down, players included, actually he (McPake) is a disgrace at this point, not to mention our so called directors letting him limp along like this.
And then there`s Cook, arrogant for someone presiding over a disaster.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 25 Nov 11:04
Players have to be held responsible for their own performances and Bene is always providing encouragement and advice. I don`t know if David Cook is `arrogant` but he is accountable to the owners rather than doing his own thing I suspect.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 25 Nov 11:14
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wee eck, Mon 25 Nov 11:04
Players have to be held responsible for their own performances and Bene is always providing encouragement and advice. I don`t know if David Cook is `arrogant` but he is accountable to the owners rather than doing his own thing I suspect.
I don`t disagree the players have to be accountable for themselves but bad insipid management rubs off on people, they aren`t robots?
Cook, well, I know what I`ve heard from numerous sources and let`s face it, he is in thd job and is not setting thd Heather alight, we`re failing on almost all fronts.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Mon 25 Nov 12:44
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SeasonedPar, Sun 24 Nov 17:38
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cammypar 1995, Sun 24 Nov 15:43
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SeasonedPar, Sun 24 Nov 15:40
Therein lies the difference. A defeated manager, you can argue he’s not been backed by the board, making excuses but little to say.
An angry, straight talking captain, a genuine leader, maybe he deserves the chance to take over.
Has he got the badges to take over ?
I’ve no idea Cammypar, and no idea if they’re essential. The current manager has them, not sure that’s been a bonus?
He is doing them as we speak with an eye to management after he stops playing.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 25 Nov 18:01
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Berkey, Mon 25 Nov 09:36
The bear - We’ve set ourselves up this season in that respect too, a lot of these players are out of contract at the end of the season and know any new manager will likely not want them as proven to not be good enough so why bother now?
Half this squad and the management team are currently phoning it in. Some may up their game once the new manager comes in but most don’t have that extra gear hence we are where we are.
No, I`m not having that, Berkey. Granted, results and performances have not been good enough in all bar a couple of games this season, but to claim half of the squad are guilty of not trying is well out of order. I`m guessing you`ve never played football to a decent level? If there`s one attribute professional footballers have, it`s their competiveness. Ask any player what the worst thing about being a footballer is, and the top answers are always;
1. Being injured and
2. Losing games.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Mon 25 Nov 19:32
I agree, but players should have skill, which can still improve as they get older. But players need to give 90% every week, in some case it`s often 50 and in a league where everything is tight that`s not enough, I have also played at a level. And also knew players who did not try as hard, but were not being paid, pars players are paid. But and it is a big but this is where a decent manager should understand and motivate, where possible.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 25 Nov 20:20
I have been to a lot of games over the last few years where I was disappointed by the result, not entertained in the slightest but I can honestly say I don`t think I can fault any of the players for effort or commitment
They are doing their best
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 25 Nov 23:00
Broadly agree - providing you don`t use words like `Simmons` as an example.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 26 Nov 18:05
GG riva did you see the downturn in form when the win bonus was removed all those years ago?
They may still go in hard in the 50-50’s but the desire is not there and it shows off the ball, ie chalmers when he gave the ball away at Queen’s Park for their second goal.
It’s the one thing you can’t fault McCann for, works harder than anyone in that team. He’s playing for that additional year on his current deal.
There’s no one else in this team who is playing like they want to be here. Whether it’s a concerted effort to get the manager out the door or they just are not good enough. I’ll be interested to see how the new manager gets on with the same squad and maybe a couple of additions in Jan.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 26 Nov 18:18
It doesn`t make sense for any player to stop trying because he doesn`t think he`ll be offered another contract when his current one expires. Who`s going to sign a player with that attitude?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 26 Nov 18:47
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wee eck, Tue 26 Nov 18:18
It doesn`t make sense for any player to stop trying because he doesn`t think he`ll be offered another contract when his current one expires. Who`s going to sign a player with that attitude?
You`re not seriously suggesting players don`t down tools?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Tue 26 Nov 19:35
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Dandy Warhol, Tue 26 Nov 18:47
You`re not seriously suggesting players don`t down tools?
I think players lose confidence that a specific effort will have an impact on the game, but I think it will rarely be a conscious choice to not try, over the course of the match.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 26 Nov 19:47
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fcda, Tue 26 Nov 19:35
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Dandy Warhol, Tue 26 Nov 18:47
You`re not seriously suggesting players don`t down tools?
I think players lose confidence that a specific effort will have an impact on the game, but I think it will rarely be a conscious choice to not try, over the course of the match.
I don`t know, we`ve had some grifters and troublemakers.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 26 Nov 21:41
I think there will be some players who have downed tools in the past. In this day and age though, if they do, people WILL know.
The amount of data that is captured on players performance in games these days is unreal, not just at the elite level but right down the leagues. If someone isn`t performing, isn`t putting in the miles during a game, that data is there for all to see. Clubs aren`t going to be willing to give a contact to a person who is going through the motions, who is not going to try their hardest when things go their way.
Josh Edwards could have had an attitude like that last season, maybe called off injured at times when he had a niggle, but he just rolled up his sleeves and did his best in every game. That`s why he got a transfer to a decent club.
Players are constantly in the shop window for their next contract, it`ll either be here, at a higher level, or at a lower level. What level they end up at next is in their hands
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 27 Nov 06:30
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Berkey, Tue 26 Nov 18:05
GG riva did you see the downturn in form when the win bonus was removed all those years ago?
They may still go in hard in the 50-50’s but the desire is not there and it shows off the ball, ie chalmers when he gave the ball away at Queen’s Park for their second goal.
It’s the one thing you can’t fault McCann for, works harder than anyone in that team. He’s playing for that additional year on his current deal.
There’s no one else in this team who is playing like they want to be here. Whether it’s a concerted effort to get the manager out the door or they just are not good enough. I’ll be interested to see how the new manager gets on with the same squad and maybe a couple of additions in Jan.
I take it your alluding to 2006-7, when Stephen Kenny was the manager? I think it`s an open secret that some of the squad didn`t get on with the manager and didn`t like his tactics or training methods. I know for a fact that one player could have played in one game but chose not to, as he had picked up a wee niggle in training. The player told me himself. That may well have had something to do with him picking up the same money whether he played or not. I don`t know if any other player did the same. That`s quite different from accusing players who have been selected of not trying. Every club should use a wage structure that incorporates appearance and win bonuses into their basic salary. When Juventus were dominant domestically in the late 70s/ early 80s, the players had the lowest basic wage in Serie A but by winning the league they were able to earn far more than any of their rivals.
Back to the Pars. You claim half the squad don`t try but only cited Joe Chalmers. Is that because he doesn`t run non-stop for 90 mins? Similarly, Lewis McCann is your only trier because he clocks up the highest mileage. There has to be a better barometer than that? 🤔
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 27 Nov 07:25
There was more than one player downed tools with Kenny, I find it incredible certain grifters still get their backsides attended to by Pars fans.
Weak.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Wed 27 Nov 11:35)
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Wed 27 Nov 11:05
Of the games I have seen this season win, lose or draw, I have not seen any evidence of players downing tools. Everyone has good days and bad days. Our problem is lack of goals . Teams have come to EEP and set up not to lose games. You only play as well as the opposition lets you. It is different to last season as we had a weaker squad through injury. Teams set up to win on that basis. We are better all round this season but just need to create more chances and be more clinical in front of goal.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 27 Nov 11:20
Half this team will be lucky to be part time next season I`d imagine.
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