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Topic Originator: 13en
Date: Sun 8 Dec 00:52
With Hamilton out who would we play in his place?
Seen comments that Todd and Cooper would be too attacking, however I would give them both a shot next week with Todd playing a deeper role with Otoo.
I think Todd in a box to box role could be ideal against them lot. He has that defensive side too having previously played right back and was fairly good there. Cooper could play in the space behind the striker.
Any other ideas apart from McPake chalmers and clay?
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Topic Originator: evo!
Date: Sun 8 Dec 07:51
I would suspect Clay will come into midfield
BEAST!
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Sun 8 Dec 09:40
It will be Chalmers or Clay. Maybe Clay is a better combination, he could sit and allow Otoo more scope to get forward.
I`ll ask again, why can`t Matty Todd play as an 8? He has the engine, the physicality and can pass. He`s not really getting into games much as a 10. You could then play Cooper there. Also, surely Cooper is an option to play as either the left or right winger/forward, even if he is better through the middle. Could we not rotate the 3 behind the centre forward a little bit more during games, give the opposition some different challenges instead of being so rigid.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 8 Dec 09:44
Trying to predict his team is sheer folly.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sun 08 Dec 09:44)
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 8 Dec 10:00
Feels like Tobi, Ngwenya, Comrie, Bene, Todd and Otoo are certain starters next week but the other five will come down to the magic algorithm/dice/lucky dip.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 8 Dec 10:22
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Raymie the Legend, Sun 8 Dec 09:44
Trying to predict his team is sheer folly.
I don`t know, pick a sensible team then invert it and you`ll be close?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Dec 11:01
Why do fans always assume that any team they choose will be more effective than the one the manager chooses? I heard a Motherwell fan on the radio last night questioning the rationale and lack of consistency of Stuart Kettlewell`s selections. He did acknowledge though that the manager was privy to much more information relevant to the options available than any fan did.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 8 Dec 11:10
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wee eck, Sun 8 Dec 11:01
Why do fans always assume that any team they choose will be more effective than the one the manager chooses? I heard a Motherwell fan on the radio last night questioning the rationale and lack of consistency of Stuart Kettlewell`s selections. He did acknowledge though that the manager was privy to much more information relevant to the options available than any fan did.
It`s a forum, discussion is normal.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Dec 11:24
That doesn`t answer the point I was making though, does it?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 8 Dec 11:37
Is the whole point of a forum not for fans to voice their opinions on different types of topics one being team selection. It`s not a hard concept to grasp really.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 8 Dec 11:45
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wee eck, Sun 8 Dec 11:24
That doesn`t answer the point I was making though, does it?
It does, you`re just being obtuse.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Dec 11:49
It`s completely irrational for fans to think they are in a better position to pick a team than the manager. You`ll be lucky if two fans agree. I don`t mind the different opinions. it`s the certainty about them I can`t understand.
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma
Date: Sun 8 Dec 12:03
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 8 Dec 11:49
It`s completely irrational for fans to think they are in a better position to pick a team than the manager. You`ll be lucky if two fans agree. I don`t mind the different opinions. it`s the certainty about them I can`t understand.
You would start a argument in a empty room.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 8 Dec 12:15
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 8 Dec 11:49
It`s completely irrational for fans to think they are in a better position to pick a team than the manager. You`ll be lucky if two fans agree. I don`t mind the different opinions. it`s the certainty about them I can`t understand.
I`ll try it a different way, why should fans not speculate on team formation on a forum?
In what way does it interfere with your furious turd polishing?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Dec 12:22
Can you guys only communicate in cliches - `argument in an empty room`, `turd polishing`? I`ll leave you to it.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 8 Dec 12:31
Yesterday, not for the first time recently, the team I would have gone with, coincided with the team on the park when we were at our most effective.
Maybe he deliberately goes out to be cautious for the first hour, I don`t know. Take from that what you will.
Do I know better than the manager? If I do I`d be a bit worried tbh but I know what entertains me and the first half was one of the worst I`ve seen.
Post Edited (Sun 08 Dec 14:30)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 8 Dec 12:50
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wee eck, Sun 8 Dec 12:22
Can you guys only communicate in cliches - `argument in an empty room`, `turd polishing`? I`ll leave you to it.
Eck, you are needlessly combatative over normal football discourse, that`s a taste of your own medicine.
Surprise surprise, you don`t like it.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 8 Dec 13:57
Well if we take yesterday as an example wee eck...
Ever since half time at Hampden, we had reverted to the back three that McPake seemed to like but that didn`t seem to suit our squad.
Comrie had just been given the player of the month award playing at right centre half.
With several comments about Otoo being better in the midfield (including from the man himself), the manager felt the need to explain that he felt that Otoo was best deployed at left centre back.
With Kane missing, Mebude was played centrally and scored in the last game.
Cooper, who had been knocking on the door for a while, finally started a game and got an assist within a few minutes.
Based on the above, you`d think a 3-5-2 with Comrie, Benedictus and Otoo at the back, Cooper wide on the left and Mebude playing in a forward role would have started yesterday.
Instead we went back to the 4-2-3-1, with Young and Sutherland brought in seemingly from nowhere and Cooper and Mebude on the bench despite being decent last week. So it`s not really "fans thinking they know better", it`s partly looking at previous games, partly looking at things that work and don`t, looking at who seems to be in form... and even if that wasn`t all true then speculation about the starting XI is about the most obvious, inoffensive, traditional way that fans discuss the game. Seems a weird hill to make a stand on, all things being equal.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 8 Dec 13:59
I think it`s quite normal for fans to think they could select a better starting XI, tactics, and formation than the manager. Quite often, it`s done with the benefit of hindsight after the game. 😄
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sun 8 Dec 14:26
I think it`s the complete lack of respect for a manager who`s evidently putting his heart and soul into the club and the complete lack of humility of supporters, hiding behind an alias and a keyboard, who think they can do it better, that irks the more positive supporters. Ask 10 supporters what team selection they prefer and you`ll probably get 10 different answers. At a point where we seem to be emerging from a very difficult spell and stringing a few victories together, maybe the best policy is to give the manager a wee break. I reckon the guy has gone through the ringer for the last few months and has been very aware of the vitriol of some of the fans. He certainly has not lost the dressing room and the result yesterday takes us back into the chasing pack so instead of moaning, let`s try supporting for a change.
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Sun 8 Dec 14:42
Part of the chasing pack. ****** hell thats brilliant, love a bit of comedy on a Sunday afternoon
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 8 Dec 14:44
You`ve been screaming for Sutherland to start for months and finally he does, you`re still not happy!
"MacFake Out" posts not appearing this week, keeping your powder dry?🤔
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 8 Dec 15:08
move otto into midfield and fogarty into the back 4
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Sun 8 Dec 15:19
Otoo payed alongside Hamilton yesterday.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sun 8 Dec 15:19
Whether we like it or not, "chasing pack" is the reality of the situation. None of us like it, we thought we`d be challenging at the top at this stage of the season. No magic wand or new manager is going to win the league for us this season, in fact it might even get us relegated. So many on here think their team selection, introduction of 10 "new faces", or tactical tweaks will suddenly turn us into world beaters. Working away steadily and building team spirit and confidence looks our best policy.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 8 Dec 15:31
I saw no harm in Sutherland coming in at all, with the usual strikers missing and us hardly being prolific it was hardly throwing mud at the wall?
Also gives the lad some game time to learn from and a bit of encouragement,no?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sun 8 Dec 15:37
Next two games are also very important for the season.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 8 Dec 15:54
Quote:
Paralex, Sun 8 Dec 15:19
Whether we like it or not, "chasing pack" is the reality of the situation. None of us like it, we thought we`d be challenging at the top at this stage of the season. No magic wand or new manager is going to win the league for us this season, in fact it might even get us relegated. So many on here think their team selection, introduction of 10 "new faces", or tactical tweaks will suddenly turn us into world beaters. Working away steadily and building team spirit and confidence looks our best policy.
I don`t think anyone expects any manager to win the league with these players with more than a few on here actually thinking that the players (who were signed by or offered new contracts by the current manager) are out their depth in this league.
I think the criticism of mcpake is justified considering how poor we have been. Has the current board helped probably not and having to deal with a potential take over is less than ideal. That being said we don`t play good football that includes yesterday.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 8 Dec 16:32
If you`re expecting smooth, silky football you`re watching the wrong league!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 8 Dec 16:38
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 8 Dec 16:32
If you`re expecting smooth, silky football you`re watching the wrong league!
I`m expecting slightly better than the guff we have offered up that sees us with the joint second worst points total in the league.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Sun 08 Dec 17:27)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 8 Dec 17:07
We may be 6th, but we are level with 7th-9th having played a game more, 10 points off of 5th, 11 off of 4th and a whopping 23 off of newly promoted Falkirk.
Wish people would stop trying to sugar coat our league position. We have underperformed so far and thats not just with our actual game performances. McPake is rightly under pressure.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Dec 19:26
It`s good to see some different views being put forward now.
It`s interesting how the criteria against which the team and the manager are judged have moved as the season has progressed. After failing to qualify from our League Cup section and losing the first three League games without scoring a goal, many on here were questioning where the next win was coming from and forecasting automatic relegation.
As we edged ahead of Airdrie to get off the bottom the lack of consistent results to allow us to get into the pack above us was criticised. Now the results have improved to get us out of the bottom two places it`s all about the lack of quality in our play and we`re not 6th - we`re joint 9th! If we do manage to consolidate at the top of the bottom half I`m sure the criticism will switch to the failure to contest the promotion play-off places.
We`re always told it`s a results-based business but that`s obviously negotiable if you just don`t fancy the manager.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sun 8 Dec 20:05
I don`t rate the manager and think we should be challenging for the top 4.
I think he will have failed if he doesn`t achieve that, but I`d prefer mid-table failure rather than the abject failure of relegation.
If we get the former, I'.m not sure anyone supporting him will be justified in playing the '.told you so'. card.
Or, to put it another way, we have 15 points from 16 games. There`s no argument that this is anything other than extremely poor - even if we are all glad that it`s not 12 points from 16 games.
Post Edited (Sun 08 Dec 20:26)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Dec 20:32
Maybe we would be in a better position if he`d had a full budget available from the start of the transfer window. I still don`t understand why that wasn`t the case.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sun 8 Dec 20:53
I`m not buying that either. Most teams in our league strengthen after the season has started.
We are undoubtedly stronger now, squad-wise, than we were for the Livi, Falkirk and Hamilton games at the start of the season. I still think he had enough available to have the team performing better, though.
Fact is, it was a depressingly bad League Cup campaign - on the back of a poor end to the 23/24 league season - meaning we started with absolutely no momentum or optimism.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Par4ages
Date: Sun 8 Dec 20:55
Wee eck my opinion is that the Germans obviously knew they were going to sell up and made a decision to spend as little money as possible hoping that with a squad free of a multitude of injuries the team would be at worst mid table but a poor start changed that.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Dec 21:17
You could be right, Par4ages.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 9 Dec 20:22
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 8 Dec 11:24
That doesn`t answer the point I was making though, does it?
Why do you think you know better than everyone else?
COYP
Post Edited (Tue 10 Dec 13:28)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 9 Dec 21:39
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 9 Dec 20:22
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wee eck, Sun 8 Dec 11:24
That doesn`t answer the point I was making though, does it?
Why do you think you better than everyone else?
What a ridiculous thing to post
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Tue 10 Dec 07:20
"Now the results have improved to get us out of the bottom two places it`s all about the lack of quality in our play and we`re not 6th - we`re joint 9th!"
We`ve played a game more than everyone else. If the league was curtailed by a global pandemic again, we`d be 9th on a points per game basis. Now hopefully we can beat an also poor looking Raith side on Saturday and we might be in a slightly better position than we are at the moment, but I don`t know why you`re so excited about being 6th on goal difference having played a game more or why you get so upset about people being unhappy with our current league position. There`s also a bigger point about the style of play - overly negative, risk averse, slow, devoid of ideas and barely creating anything from open play - that you seem to dismiss out of hand for some reason. If we were near the bottom of the league but playing better then McPake wouldn`t be getting as much stick as he currently is, just as if we were in the top 4 playing such turgid football he`d be given a bit more slack despite the terrible football. But you seem to have it in your head that several people have some kind of agenda or personal beef with the man.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 10 Dec 08:35
KP makes good points about our style of play. It’s really hard to watch and certainly doesn’t get me out of my seat nearly enough.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 10 Dec 09:10
Aye, if we win the next 10 league games, scoring 25 goals in the process, almost everyone will be happy with McPake and thankful to have been proven wrong.
I don`t think anyone dislikes him personally - and he did a reasonably good job in his first two years - but it`s been awful (results and performance-wise) since the 2nd half against Arbroath at the end of March, without any mitigating circumstances re the players available.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 10 Dec 09:12
And even if we did win the next 10, that would be 45 points from 26 league games, which is decent but not a massive over-performance.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 Dec 11:21
`Topic Originator: kelty_par like
Date: Tue 10 Dec 07:20
"Now the results have improved to get us out of the bottom two places it`s all about the lack of quality in our play and we`re not 6th - we`re joint 9th!"
We`ve played a game more than everyone else. If the league was curtailed by a global pandemic again, we`d be 9th on a points per game basis. Now hopefully we can beat an also poor looking Raith side on Saturday and we might be in a slightly better position than we are at the moment, but I don`t know why you`re so excited about being 6th on goal difference having played a game more or why you get so upset about people being unhappy with our current league position. There`s also a bigger point about the style of play - overly negative, risk averse, slow, devoid of ideas and barely creating anything from open play - that you seem to dismiss out of hand for some reason. If we were near the bottom of the league but playing better then McPake wouldn`t be getting as much stick as he currently is, just as if we were in the top 4 playing such turgid football he`d be given a bit more slack despite the terrible football. But you seem to have it in your head that several people have some kind of agenda or personal beef with the man.`
I never said I was `excited` about being 6th on goal difference and let`s hope there isn`t another global pandemic on the way, otherwise we`re doomed! We`re in a better position than we were a few weeks ago.
I`ve never said I`m happy with the style of play but we should all know by now that McPake is a pragmatist. We saw that in League 1. In the position we are in he`ll play the way he thinks will get results. From what I`ve seen Falkirk are the only team in this League that are likely to get their fans excited on a regular basis. I don`t know if people have an `agenda` with McPake but it seems like everything he says or does is given a negative spin on here. I see that there has been very little response to the report yesterday that we fielded the youngest starting XI in Scotland at the weekend. I wonder why that is?
And on the question of team selection fans are unlikely to know the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition in as much detail as the manager and that will have some bearing on the team he chooses.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 10 Dec 13:30
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 10 Dec 11:21
`Topic Originator: kelty_par like
Date: Tue 10 Dec 07:20
"Now the results have improved to get us out of the bottom two places it`s all about the lack of quality in our play and we`re not 6th - we`re joint 9th!"
We`ve played a game more than everyone else. If the league was curtailed by a global pandemic again, we`d be 9th on a points per game basis. Now hopefully we can beat an also poor looking Raith side on Saturday and we might be in a slightly better position than we are at the moment, but I don`t know why you`re so excited about being 6th on goal difference having played a game more or why you get so upset about people being unhappy with our current league position. There`s also a bigger point about the style of play - overly negative, risk averse, slow, devoid of ideas and barely creating anything from open play - that you seem to dismiss out of hand for some reason. If we were near the bottom of the league but playing better then McPake wouldn`t be getting as much stick as he currently is, just as if we were in the top 4 playing such turgid football he`d be given a bit more slack despite the terrible football. But you seem to have it in your head that several people have some kind of agenda or personal beef with the man.`
I never said I was `excited` about being 6th on goal difference and let`s hope there isn`t another global pandemic on the way, otherwise we`re doomed! We`re in a better position than we were a few weeks ago.
I`ve never said I`m happy with the style of play but we should all know by now that McPake is a pragmatist. We saw that in League 1. In the position we are in he`ll play the way he thinks will get results. From what I`ve seen Falkirk are the only team in this League that are likely to get their fans excited on a regular basis. I don`t know if people have an `agenda` with McPake but it seems like everything he says or does is given a negative spin on here. I see that there has been very little response to the report yesterday that we fielded the youngest starting XI in Scotland at the weekend. I wonder why that is?
And on the question of team selection fans are unlikely to know the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition in as much detail as the manager and that will have some bearing on the team he chooses.
That’s all fine and well but we are still in a battle to avoid a relegation playoff
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 Dec 13:41
Yeah, and we could well be for the rest of the season. I don`t see the point in this constant negativity though, especially with all the uncertainty about the ownership of the club.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 10 Dec 13:58
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wee eck, Tue 10 Dec 13:41
Yeah, and we could well be for the rest of the season. I don`t see the point in this constant negativity though, especially with all the uncertainty about the ownership of the club.
Is it a negative mentality or is it because we find ourselves in a negative situation? We have a manager who can`t stop us losing goals from set pieces despite him being a defender himself. A manager who kept players about who aren`t good enough at this level and he has finally realised this by dropping some of them.
We spent money on MOH who is now not even in the reserve match day squads but will still be picking up a wage. It`s not looking great and with a transfer window coming up do you trust mcpake with any money that might be available to spend? I certainly don`t.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Tue 10 Dec 14:00)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 Dec 14:11
Every team loses goals from set pieces. Hamilton lost two on Saturday. How do you know the one we lost on Saturday wasn`t the fault of a player not following the manager`s instructions? Or maybe the flight of the ball was perfect for someone who probably had a three-inch height advantage over everyone else. Our goals against average just over one a game which suggests it`s not the main reason we are where we are.
In a squad of 22 when most are fit some players are going to be `dropped`. It`s simple arithmetic. I presume you haven`t noticed that MOH has been in the squad for the last two first-team games. You seem to have this tendency to get the facts wrong about the club you support.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 10 Dec 14:16
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Tue 10 Dec 13:58
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 10 Dec 13:41
Yeah, and we could well be for the rest of the season. I don`t see the point in this constant negativity though, especially with all the uncertainty about the ownership of the club.
Is it a negative mentality or is it because we find ourselves in a negative situation? We have a manager who can`t stop us losing goals from set pieces despite him being a defender himself. A manager who kept players about who aren`t good enough at this level and he has finally realised this by dropping some of them.
We spent money on MOH who is now not even in the reserve match day squads but will still be picking up a wage. It`s not looking great and with a transfer window coming up do you trust mcpake with any money that might be available to spend? I certainly don`t.
MOH has been on the bench recently and again on Saturday.
McPake has his flaws obviously but last January his dealings probably kept us up.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 10 Dec 14:26
My comment "not even in the reserve match day squads" I never mentioned first team squads. He played 20 minutes all season for the first team, being an unused sub 6 times and out the match day squad on 9 occasions. He will hardly be match fit/sharp when it comes to him playing if he doesn't`t even get a run out with the reserves.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Tue 10 Dec 14:27)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 Dec 14:34
How do you feel about us fielding the youngest starting XI in Scotland on Saturday, Cammy? Do you think that reflects well on McPake?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 10 Dec 14:43
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wee eck, Tue 10 Dec 14:34
How do you feel about us fielding the youngest starting XI in Scotland on Saturday, Cammy? Do you think that reflects well on McPake?
Will depend how we do at the end of the season. Can`t really judge a team after 1 game. The fact we are still in a relegation battle with half of the league only time will tell if the squad has the mentality and ability to handle it.
For balance it was a good win on Saturday but not a good performance. We were lucky not to go in 2 nil down at half time while offering little at the other end. We played better in the second half after making the subs which suggests the starting lineup was wrong. Hopefully he can rectify it for Saturday and keep collecting points.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 10 Dec 15:13
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Tue 10 Dec 14:26
My comment "not even in the reserve match day squads" I never mentioned first team squads.
Most of our first team don`t feature in the "reserve match day squads"
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 10 Dec 15:39
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da_no_1, Tue 10 Dec 15:13
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cammypar 1995, Tue 10 Dec 14:26
My comment "not even in the reserve match day squads" I never mentioned first team squads.
Most of our first team don`t feature in the "reserve match day squads"
Correct but most have played more than 20 minutes.
c'mon the pars
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