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Topic Originator: istvan kozma
Date: Sat 14 Dec 22:44
They came to acknowledge our support at the end of the game. People booed their team. Our supporters booed their own team. Grow up I hear you cry, we paid our money so we can boo if we want to. But is that what supporters do? That should boost morale for the next game. The rovers fans must have absolutely loved that!! I did not enjoy what I saw, but I would never shame our players.
KOZMA
Post Edited (Sat 14 Dec 22:59)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 14 Dec 22:55
I get what you`re saying, but people pay in money and time for a product and experience, on all fronts, club - management - team, DAFC is failing, continuous blind support will not rectify this, in my nowhere near humble opinion.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 14 Dec 22:59
What was more staggering was there was people applauding them…..
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 14 Dec 23:01
Just because you want to boo and shout abuse, doesn`t mean everyone has to.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: gegganpar
Date: Sat 14 Dec 23:19
Don`t care how bad the football is, I would never boo.
Didn`t applaud them either today.
J angus blacklaws
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Sat 14 Dec 23:36
I would never boo or shout abuse at my own team, but that`s not to say I would always cheer them either.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Sat 14 Dec 23:38
Quote:
gegganpar, Sat 14 Dec 23:19
Don`t care how bad the football is, I would never boo.
Didn`t applaud them either today.
Exactly my thoughts. Some of the abuse at the end was out of order.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Sat 14 Dec 23:39
I didn`t boo . I voted with my feet and left early . That was brutal today ! Some of those players need to ask themselves if they think that was acceptable today .
It really wasn`t .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 14 Dec 23:42
Quote:
Parsweep, Sat 14 Dec 23:39
I didn`t boo . I voted with my feet and left early . That was brutal today ! Some of those players need to ask themselves if they think that was acceptable today .
It really wasn`t .
Same here. Couldn`t agree more
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 15 Dec 00:08
Never have and never will. Think it's pathetic, to boo your own team.
Post Edited (Sun 15 Dec 00:22)
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sun 15 Dec 00:15
I was one of those "unbelievable" people that applauded them. Though that was mostly in response to the embarrassing booing. I applauded the individuals on the park, who I don`t believe went out onto that pitch wanting to get beat, and I saw enough individual effort over the course of the game. The issue is much larger than those individuals.
This is my signature
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sun 15 Dec 00:50
I didn`t boo either but I did leave10 minutes early. With Raith`s delaying tactics and a referee that gave us nothing, combined with a fairly disjointed display from our team, I just didn`t see a miraculous revival of our fortunes. In these circumstances, we just don`t seem to have the calibre of forward player who`s going to produce the bit of magic needed to turn the game around. So with a dreary drive in the rain back to Glasgow, oft I jolly well went. But booing your team is never a good Idea. There was one gentleman round about row YY seat 80 who shouted abuse the whole game. I thought his gasket was about to blow. He was even attracting sideways glances from other negative fans. I mean why go to a game if you are completely programmed to negativity?
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sun 15 Dec 00:50
We left at FT.
I wouldn’t boo my team off the park they were having tough enough afternoon already.
We always applaud them off if they have played well or won.
“.........it ain’t over till the Pars score!”
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 15 Dec 00:59
I’ve never booed them off. I might have booed the manager?
Normally, I’ll just leave quietly after a defeat.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: airdriepar
Date: Sun 15 Dec 01:01
Win Lose Draw - I always support the team (Happy Clapper aye me) I attend most home games and occasional away games and doing this forever gives me a feeling of nostalgia and comfort every game I attend and regardless of the result at the end I still feel the same - This stems from my Granda taking me to my first Pars game in 1986 aged 5 years old and continued until 2021.
Each to their own and I respect everyone’s opinions but this is mine.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 15 Dec 01:06
Totally disillusioned with the Pars right now but I will always go.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Pars11
Date: Sun 15 Dec 01:38
You have this post wrong. I was in the middle of this, it was James McPake and his management team that was booed. Never heard any boos or abuse directed at the team. Poorly presented post without reason to why the booing occured and who was the focus of this.
Bluebell Polka
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma
Date: Sun 15 Dec 01:42
The team.deserve every boo going. All naughty word letting the fans and manager and his staff down, pretty much every week. Same ***** weak pihs
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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Sun 15 Dec 02:07
I remember the days when pars fans wouldn`t have stood for this level of rubbish football, there would have been protests outside the main stand demanding change, apathy has set in
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 15 Dec 06:03
I don`t think they players rent trying I just think they lack the ability that is required at this level.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sun 15 Dec 07:59
Left early and was totally scunnered. Walked down the stairs to be met with the catering guy who gave the grandchildren selection boxes. They were smiling.
At least they didn’t leave with nothing.
I left with the fact I will save money as I am done with away days. Another bright spot was there was no traffic, so got home quickly.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 15 Dec 08:05
A manager who is hoping each game is his last and that transfers to the players who lack any direction and appear to have given up. Clear as day in how we play the intensity at training has gone and it’s the end for mcpake.
Lacking leaders all over the park, even bene has stopped trying. Leadership isn’t the only thing lacking, we’re lacking in absolutely every aspect required to compete well at this level. Quite a few of these players will need to go get a job in the summer.
This is just as bad, if not worse than yogi. Prob worse as it wasn’t his team.
If you feel like they chucked it and heads went down and we lost the battles all over the park it’s okay to boo, this wasn’t the old firm we were playing, it’s a raith team who are struggling just as much as we are.
This team has zero resilience, lose the first goal and it’s curtains.
Post Edited (Sun 15 Dec 08:12)
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sun 15 Dec 08:41
Fans had every right to boo that dross
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Sun 15 Dec 08:53
Think the majority of the boos were towards the management team and not necessarily the players, from what I saw anyway.
Fans and loyal ones at that can only tolerate so much woeful football, you’d effectively get as much pleasure setting fire to twenty pound note every week at the moment instead of paying to watch them.
Fair play to the ones that go to Morton next weekend, but if we don’t win that huge game and then take a tanking off the minks from across the Kincardine Bridge, EEP will be a horrible hostile place to be on the 27th.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 15 Dec 08:54
Quote:
Paralex, Sun 15 Dec 00:50
There was one gentleman round about row YY seat 80 who shouted abuse the whole game. I thought his gasket was about to blow. He was even attracting sideways glances from other negative fans. I mean why go to a game if you are completely programmed to negativity?
I’ve had the joy of sitting near him on a number of occasions, don’t get why he goes to games.
So I’ll put my hand up, I boo’d the team, (but it was aimed at McPake) at the end of the game yesterday. Didn’t go over the top and didn’t loose my sh-t like others around me did. It’s not something I normally do, like others, I’m a slide away quietly kind of guy.
Why yesterday then?? Really it’s just to do with frustration and trying to send a message to the club that I’m not happy. Social media, fans forums and the likes, are full of negative posts but, as I put in my post after the match, we still turn out in big numbers and we still get behind the team….what other opportunities do you have to show everyone at the club that this is unacceptable??
I actually feel for a number of players, Bene being one of them (as he was mentioned above), and in my after match post I also said it must be awkward for the players standing there, but again, how else do supporters state they are unhappy?? Write a well worded letter to the club to complain??
Yip, out of character for me, but I’ve no regrets on this occasion.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 15 Dec 08:59
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Sun 15 Dec 08:54
Quote:
Paralex, Sun 15 Dec 00:50
There was one gentleman round about row YY seat 80 who shouted abuse the whole game. I thought his gasket was about to blow. He was even attracting sideways glances from other negative fans. I mean why go to a game if you are completely programmed to negativity?
I’ve had the joy of sitting near him on a number of occasions, don’t get why he goes to games.
So I’ll put my hand up, I boo’d the team, (but it was aimed at McPake) at the end of the game yesterday. Didn’t go over the top and didn’t loose my sh-t like others around me did. It’s not something I normally do, like others, I’m a slide away quietly kind of guy.
Why yesterday then?? Really it’s just to do with frustration and trying to send a message to the club that I’m not happy. Social media, fans forums and the likes, are full of negative posts but, as I put in my post after the match, we still turn out in big numbers and we still get behind the team….what other opportunities do you have to show everyone at the club that this is unacceptable??
I actually feel for a number of players, Bene being one of them (as he was mentioned above), and in my after match post I also said it must be awkward for the players standing there, but again, how else do supporters state they are unhappy?? Write a well worded letter to the club to complain??
Yip, out of character for me, but I’ve no regrets on this occasion.
I don`t think the players are completely blameless in this either as that performance yesterday was absolutely unacceptable from the management to the players.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 15 Dec 09:04
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 15 Dec 08:59
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Sun 15 Dec 08:54
Quote:
Paralex, Sun 15 Dec 00:50
There was one gentleman round about row YY seat 80 who shouted abuse the whole game. I thought his gasket was about to blow. He was even attracting sideways glances from other negative fans. I mean why go to a game if you are completely programmed to negativity?
I’ve had the joy of sitting near him on a number of occasions, don’t get why he goes to games.
So I’ll put my hand up, I boo’d the team, (but it was aimed at McPake) at the end of the game yesterday. Didn’t go over the top and didn’t loose my sh-t like others around me did. It’s not something I normally do, like others, I’m a slide away quietly kind of guy.
Why yesterday then?? Really it’s just to do with frustration and trying to send a message to the club that I’m not happy. Social media, fans forums and the likes, are full of negative posts but, as I put in my post after the match, we still turn out in big numbers and we still get behind the team….what other opportunities do you have to show everyone at the club that this is unacceptable??
I actually feel for a number of players, Bene being one of them (as he was mentioned above), and in my after match post I also said it must be awkward for the players standing there, but again, how else do supporters state they are unhappy?? Write a well worded letter to the club to complain??
Yip, out of character for me, but I’ve no regrets on this occasion.
I don`t think the players are completely blameless in this either as that performance yesterday was absolutely unacceptable from the management to the players.
Would agree with you on that one Cammy. My son always says to me, “who would you have given man of the match too Dad?” My answer yesterday was no one, I think even our better players were below standard yesterday.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 15 Dec 09:24
If a player consistently underperforms at what point does the penny drop that actually the player isn’t good enough at this level and it’s not that they are out of form or being managed badly?
To me this team and its individuals are actually performing to their abilities. They tell us this every week.
The next manager will struggle to get much more out of this lot. Unless there’s 2-3 brought in, in Jan then we can clear the lot of them out in the summer.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 15 Dec 09:27
I`d love to hear what our coward board are thinking or do they regard it as obvious McPake is grifting along for the pay off?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 15 Dec 09:49
It’s really, really boring seeing the same posts over and over again on multiple threads.
You don’t need to have played football to answer this one.
Let’s assume that for the job you are in now, you have for whatever reason, lost respect or belief in your manager and the way the company is being run. You don’t really enjoy going in to work as much as you used to.
Ask yourself honestly, are you going to do your job at 100% ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sun 15 Dec 09:50)
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Topic Originator: istvan kozma
Date: Sun 15 Dec 09:50
Quote:
Pars11, Sun 15 Dec 01:38
You have this post wrong. I was in the middle of this, it was James McPake and his management team that was booed. Never heard any boos or abuse directed at the team. Poorly presented post without reason to why the booing occured and who was the focus of this.
I suspect that the booing was directed at the manager. But when a tirade of boos is launched in his direction whilst surrounded by players it would appear the boos were directed at them too.
KOZMA
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Sun 15 Dec 10:26
Never, there were loudmouths slagging off the players behind us for the whole game.
I dont think one player got pass marks yesterday but whilst I didnt boo I never applauded either.
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Sun 15 Dec 11:13
The morning after the game and I have calmed down, but it wasn`t good enough both from the management in terms of team selection, no issues with the substitutes that came on as we were chasing the game so attack minded substitutions were correct, however, the starting XI was wrong although easy to say in hindsight.
With Hamilton suspended, I would have started Clay even though we had Otoo in there, too.
Anyone could have been subbed. I don`t think there was anyone exempt from that.
As much as there was huff and puff, there was next to no quality. As mentioned previously, we were out thought and out fought, and that is what angers me the most.
Their number 24 was a real menace in terms of putting himself about and giving our centre backs a tough time. I don`t think our strikers gave Hanlon and Murray any real trouble.
The distribution from Tobi was poor for most of the game. He shanked a few in the warm up and it seemed to continue in the game.
Another poor day at the office and the recent decent form is a cover for the mediocrity we have seen this season and last.
I don`t boo but I feel voicing displeasure is fair in the circumstances. Folk spending a lot of money at this time of year and being served poor fare.
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Sun 15 Dec 12:53
Sorry to disagree with most people on here, but I don`t think Tobi is any kind of upgrade on Deniz at all.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 15 Dec 13:01
Tobi’s positioning is suspect at times and he’s suspect when he comes for crosses but he’s still a much better option than Deniz who doesn’t leave his line at all and at this level he’s just made way too many mistakes.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 15 Dec 13:23
If people didn`t boo or have a moan, then some of the players and staff might think those kinds of performances are fine. They might think that it doesn`t matter losing derby games. And before we get the "don`t you think the players and managers don`t already know this" replies, James McPake said he was "proud" of the players yesterday. So no, I don`t think some people do know, or will admit to themselves, that things aren`t good enough. Unless you want to set up a Trust Pilot or a Trip Advisor type thing, then making your feelings known (without going over the top) is absolutely the best way to get your point across. Are the folk who think people shouldn`t boo also the ones who tell their waiter that everything is fine when their food is undercooked, overseasoned and full of ingredients you dislike that weren`t mentioned on the menu? I`d rather say something and get it fixed, tbh.
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Sun 15 Dec 13:49
Just my opinion but I’ve never understood the mindset of someone applauding their team after either a derby defeat or a 2,3 or 4 goal defeat. I take their attempts to go to the away fans as a form of apology in a way. But the question should always be asked. Do they hurt as much as a fan does? They are there for a job and a wage. Unlike the fans it’s their life.
I don’t think they would be affected by some fans shouting or booing as much as a rocket from the manager. It’s like most jobs with customers. You’re more likely to change based on your managers words than customers.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 15 Dec 14:03
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 15 Dec 13:01
Tobi’s positioning is suspect at times and he’s suspect when he comes for crosses but he’s still a much better option than Deniz who doesn’t leave his line at all and at this level he’s just made way too many mistakes.
I was directly behind the goal and I’m no psychic but I knew exactly where that ball was going to end up.
Tobi didn’t seem to be in control of the situation so much so the defenders in the wall were confused as to how many players he wanted or left or right.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sun 15 Dec 14:04
Each to their own. Really don’t care how folk are at game it’s what is on the park that matters and right now we aren’t getting much to be happy about.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: Pars11
Date: Sun 15 Dec 14:10
Istvan Kozma, Classic case of flying with the crows you get shot with the crows. McPake could be seen to back off a bit at the abuse being directed towards him. The players still walked towards the fans. Maybe because I was in the middle of the departing crowd the shouts of others may have been masked by the protests I could hear. Certainly a lot of venomous comment was made towards McPake and his management team. Whatever happens now McPake needs to go.
Bluebell Polka
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sun 15 Dec 14:27
Fan negativity was one of the main reasons for keeping me away, but even I`d struggle not to boo these days.
It`s a league full of bog standard teams and we are second bottom, whilst struggling to score or create. Boo away I say.
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Sun 15 Dec 14:40
I was on Pratt Street about 6 seconds after the final whistle so didn`t see this, but in the circumstances I don`t think it`s unreasonable for there to be some reaction at full time. At games, I think fans have been very patient and shown a lot of tolerance for a situation that has been grim for months.
What I don`t understand is why players feel they need to go to the fans after a game like that. Do a wee clap from the centre circle if you want, then get off the park quickly.
It was, however, a bit odd that they didn`t come over at the end of the warm-up, and just went straight in. Almost always, in a big game with a bigger than normal away support, the players at any club will do this. They`re guaranteed to get a good reaction and that can surely only give them a wee boost before the game starts. Maybe a sign that all is not well off the park, though I guess that`s pretty clear anyway.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sun 15 Dec 14:46
A good rational post Socks !
And I totally agree about coming over after the warm up , that would or should give them the boost they needed
Although sometime i wonder if a grenade would even shake this lot up !!
Post Edited (Sun 15 Dec 14:48)
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 15 Dec 14:54
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Sun 15 Dec 14:03
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 15 Dec 13:01
Tobi’s positioning is suspect at times and he’s suspect when he comes for crosses but he’s still a much better option than Deniz who doesn’t leave his line at all and at this level he’s just made way too many mistakes.
I was directly behind the goal and I’m no psychic but I knew exactly where that ball was going to end up.
Tobi didn’t seem to be in control of the situation so much so the defenders in the wall were confused as to how many players he wanted or left or right.
Everyone knows that he has the ability to do that so why did we not someone lying on the deck behind the wall and everyone jumping and let Tobi look after his corner?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 15 Dec 15:02
He had 2 of the smallest players on park in the wall on the goal side of it……I called it how it would happen before the whistle blew, it was so obvious to see.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 15 Dec 15:11
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 15 Dec 15:02
He had 2 of the smallest players on park in the wall on the goal side of it……I called it how it would happen before the whistle blew, it was so obvious to see.
We were clueless any time the ball was getting delivered into our box. After the first free header I watched Murray who was getting marked by bene. In came the cross and Murray had moved and made contact with the cross bene hadn`t moved.
He was still moaning to the referee about something. We don`t seem to have a football brain at times.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sun 15 Dec 20:09
I was away about 10 minutes after the second goal so missed the booing. If they came over to applaud the fans I don’t think I could bring myself to hurl abuse back at them. It’s a little bit cringey. I did shout a few things towards McPake during the game though.
I noticed a lot of negative/abusive shouts during the game and I witnessed a couple of arguments.
I don’t think this situation is fair on the fans or McPake to be honest. He should have been long gone by now. The board keeping him in the post is just angering the fans even more. Just put the guy out his misery for Christ sake.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 15 Dec 20:27
I don’t think I’ve ever boo’d the team off but Ive certainly seen occasions where a boo was justified.
That bloody Forfar game at EEP for example. I was worried about our season from then on. If yesterday was as bad as some have said, a boo was probably justified. It’s how fans show their disapproval of an unacceptable result/performance 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sun 15 Dec 20:43
It’s not like they are being boo’d after a one off bad result. This rubbish has been going on for months (some players have been getting away with it for years at this level) now, we’re absolutely torture and we look a beaten team as soon as we concede. Where is the captain? Where are the leaders? They’re doing nothing to drag us out of this. Bene was praised for being a leader in league one when we were winning most weeks, he’s a mouse when the going gets tough.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 15 Dec 22:15
Quote:
The Boss, Sun 15 Dec 20:09
I was away about 10 minutes after the second goal so missed the booing. If they came over to applaud the fans I don’t think I could bring myself to hurl abuse back at them. It’s a little bit cringey. I did shout a few things towards McPake during the game though.
I noticed a lot of negative/abusive shouts during the game and I witnessed a couple of arguments.
I don’t think this situation is fair on the fans or McPake to be honest. He should have been long gone by now. The board keeping him in the post is just angering the fans even more. Just put the guy out his misery for Christ sake.
There was a full blown argument 2/3 rows in front of us in middle of stand regarding some b*llend hurling a tirade of abuse at Chalmers and using every swear word possible in the space of 30 seconds whilst surrounded by families with young kids…..safe to say he was on his own in that debate and starting getting more and more calls to shut up from around him as he continued.
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