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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 8 Feb 06:56
I deeply regret and am truly sorry for the angst, consternation, offence, and upset inadvertently generated by my thread yesterday. It was intended to be a celebration of the significant strides made in the attitudes towards overt racism often seen at Scottish football matches in my lifetime. I am particularly proud of our club, which must have one of the most ethnically diverse squads in the country.
The thread heading, Pitch Black, was taken from a book of the same name, by Emy Onuora, in which he chronicles the horrific racial abuse black players were forced to endure in British football, in the not so distant past. I posted a link to a free preview on Google.
Unfortunately, the careless way I constructed my OP left me open to accusations of casual racism by sharing a flippant remark made by a good friend. Even worse, when this was pointed out to me by other posters, I stubbornly refused to accept that this was the case, convinced that I had not posted anything controversial or wrong.
Eventually, as more posters began to question the wisdom of my post, I caved in and asked Admin to delete it. Later last night, my friend called me. He wasn`t best pleased that I had quoted him, even if it was anonymously. He agreed with those posters who suggested that the post had racist undertones and made us look like racists.
I`m certainly old enough to know better. A self-imposed suspension to allow for a period of reflection sounds like a good idea at the moment.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 8 Feb 07:39
Whilst I didn’t contribute to the thread, I read it in the way you intended GG
Edited to add, I wouldn’t beat yourself up about it too much… you’ve reflected, and acted upon that - more than most would have
Post Edited (Sat 08 Feb 07:54)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 8 Feb 08:19
Don`t be daft GG. Some people look for offence everywhere and they are the ones contributing to the problem while acting like saviours. The intent was clear but sadly there are people on here who are obvious trolls and set out to twist the meaning of a very thoughtful post.
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sat 8 Feb 08:47
Well done GG.
I did give a sharp intake of breath when I saw your headline, but the context was a genuine attempt to reflect change in our society and celebrate our multi-culturalism.
Apologising and having a self-imposed break - no matter the topic - some other posters could learn from you.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 8 Feb 08:59
Being offended by every little thing is the in thing just now, being offended for someone else seems to be the peak virtue signal.
I wouldn`t stress GG.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Sat 8 Feb 09:15
no need for the apology, your topic was well worth posting.
it`s a pity it went off topic.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 8 Feb 09:24
GG, I can`t remember anything in our post that made me think twice about it being questionable so no need for self flagellation. And please no self imposed exposed, you`re arguably the best poster on the site.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 8 Feb 09:35
GG as others have said.....in my opinion there was nothing racist in either the heading or your post. Enjoy your Saturday.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 8 Feb 09:56
I wouldn`t expect that you need to do more reflection that you already have GG, you have clearly reflected enough.
Maybe others might need to though.
With that in mind, Brian, the thread didn`t go off-topic at all. It strayed less from its topic (it was about counting black people, in case you`ve forgotten) than most threads on here do, for instance the "players in" thread went on a tangent about religion for a time.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
Post Edited (Sat 08 Feb 10:30)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 8 Feb 10:15
Wotsit, GG states he asked for the thread to be deleted. Looks like Brian and the team were simply following that request.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 8 Feb 10:32
Quote:
ipswichpar, Sat 8 Feb 10:15
Wotsit, GG states he asked for the thread to be deleted. Looks like Brian and the team were simply following that request.
Fair. I got carried away and have edited my post to remove that part. Thanks for keeping me right Ipswich.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Sat 8 Feb 10:47
GG I must admit to being a bit surprised by the heading of your post, but found nothing offensive within the post itself. Despite being a relatively new poster, I`ve read the forum for many years and have always enjoyed your comments and opinions. Also, as a former DAFC employee, I`m drawn to informed and knowledgeable posts like your own. Keep it up!
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Topic Originator: usurpar
Date: Sat 8 Feb 10:55
I’m glad that the thread was removed at GG Riva’s request and not to appease a couple of virtue signallers on here.
There was nothing offensive in the post and we should not be bullied into false guilt by those who seek offence at every opportunity
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sat 8 Feb 10:56
No need to apologise as the words and sentiment were with good intention
I wouldn`t post on this topic on a forum, as it`s a public forum, and even though I don`t think anyone that posts here have bad intentions, words are badly written often, also can pile on.
I see no need to exclude yourself at all, nor feel bad in any way, but I definitely would avoid that type of post as on a forum can escalate into something else.
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sat 8 Feb 10:59
Apology not necessary - Don’t exclude yourself from the forum you always post something worth reading.
“.........it ain’t over till the Pars score!”
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 8 Feb 11:00
GG ,respect .Anyone,who knows you understands
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 8 Feb 11:23
I don`t see any reason to apologise. There was no malice in your post.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 8 Feb 12:58
Looks like the overwhelming opinion on this thread GG is a very big appreciation of your contributions and a wish for them to continue without a break. I would endorse that, and coming from one who may have been responsible for a tangent or two myself, where they contain helpful or indeed vital truths, they are never futile.
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Topic Originator: bannerpar
Date: Sat 8 Feb 13:04
When I read the thread it had only 3 or 4 posts on it but unless it changed course I can`t think of anything you need to apologise for GG. I read it as positive commentary on how attitudes at football have improved with the changing demographics in the country.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 8 Feb 13:11
I commented on the post and only realised that its gone. Not sure why either, didn’t read anything out of line and looked like an honest and open discussion regarding past/current players from an ethnic minority.
If someone did complain after I last seen it then it’s very strange behaviour. And don’t think your pal needs to worry about folk thinking badly of him as doesn’t seem like any bad conversations were had.
It’s not racist to have an open and honest discussion regarding players of race within the squad.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 8 Feb 13:20
Nothing wrong with your post GG.
I wasn’t sure what woke meant…..until now.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Johan_Cruyff
Date: Sat 8 Feb 14:34
I didnt see the thread and dont often post but do like to read the forum regularly.
You are always one of the most level-headed and interesting posters on .net and I always like to read your posts on all topics, I dont always agree with them but have never considered you to have any malicious intent in anything you post.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 8 Feb 15:45
I wouldn`t worry about the racist accusations GG, but on the other hand - I heard a rumour yer a kafflic! 😇😉
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Sat 8 Feb 15:53
I must have missed the posts accusing GG of being a racist .
I certainly didn`t think it was the "safest" of topics to open a thread on on here . We`ve all seen how toxic even the most innocent of topics become on here almost instantly .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: manic preacher
Date: Sat 8 Feb 16:14
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 8 Feb 15:45
I wouldn`t worry about the racist accusations GG, but on the other hand - I heard a rumour yer a kafflic! 😇😉
No rumour lol😁
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 8 Feb 16:15
"...... I heard a rumour yer a kafflic!"
A left footer ?
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sat 8 Feb 17:11
Oh dear….this thread will now start to cause people to shake.
GG always look forward to your posts sir. It is difficult in life to make people understand what people say verbally far less on a written forum, but you do it so well. No need to apologise and I doth my cap for your inquisitive disposition that prompts being to speak freely without the need for cancellation.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Sat 8 Feb 18:39
I hope GG continues to post, the forum needs him to be here :o)
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sat 8 Feb 18:49
Quote:
usurpar, Sat 8 Feb 10:55
I’m glad that the thread was removed at GG Riva’s request and not to appease a couple of virtue signallers on here.
There was nothing offensive in the post and we should not be bullied into false guilt by those who seek offence at every opportunity
Spot on.
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Topic Originator: Parster
Date: Sat 8 Feb 19:12
There was nothing offensive in any of the posts some of the words posted may well have been misintended however they were not intended to be offensive unfortunately your not allowed to discuss certain subjects now days incase it upsets someone
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Topic Originator: Parster
Date: Sat 8 Feb 19:12
There was nothing offensive in any of the posts some of the words posted may well have been misintended however they were not intended to be offensive unfortunately your not allowed to discuss certain subjects now days incase it upsets someone
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Sat 8 Feb 19:28
Quote:
Parster, Sat 8 Feb 19:12[/
unfortunately your not allowed to discuss certain subjects now days incase it upsets someone
Or results in them ‘actually shaking’…
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 8 Feb 19:50
Topic Originator: usurpar
Date: Sat 8 Feb 10:55
I’m glad that the thread was removed at GG Riva’s request and not to appease a couple of virtue signallers on here.
There was nothing offensive in the post and we should not be bullied into false guilt by those who seek offence at every opportunity
Post of the thread .. well said usurpar
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sat 8 Feb 20:01
It really is a sad state of affairs when a long term poster has to come on here and apologise about a post that didn’t offend anyone and the wee woke society start about offending people…get a grip!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sat 8 Feb 21:00
Absolutely no need to apologise, no offence was taken.Some folk,just like to be offended,as a hobby. Always enjoyed,your interesting and well thought, and informative posts,don't give in to the woke brigade !
Post Edited (Sat 08 Feb 21:41)
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 8 Feb 21:49
People being offended on someone else’s behalf is one of the worst traits of modern society.
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