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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Thu 20 Mar 07:53
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/5205646/dunfermline-athletic-manager-hunt-update-profile-timescale/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Some interesting points, we are looking for an experienced manager and have had plenty applications from Uk and abroad. Mentions some ‘notable’ names have come forward.
“There is an eagerness, if possible, to have the new man in place before the next league game away to Ayr United a week on Saturday.”
Post Edited (Thu 20 Mar 07:59 https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/5205646/dunfermline-athletic-manager-hunt-update-profile-timescale/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Some interesting points, we are looking for an experienced manager and have had plenty applications from Uk and abroad. Mentions some ‘notable’ names have come forward.
“There is an eagerness, if possible, to have the new man in place before the next league game away to Ayr United a week on Saturday.”
Post Edited (Thu 20 Mar 07:59)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 20 Mar 08:32
Screams of Neil Warnock 🫢🫢
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Thu 20 Mar 08:46
Interesting, although 9th, I’ve always believed it would be an attractive job for someone to come into. I’m not sure if now is the right time to appoint someone from outwith the Scottish game though 😬
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 20 Mar 10:14
Give up to big Sam until the end of the season
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Thu 20 Mar 11:26
Mcbookie have got the odds up now. Not mental names on the list, just names you would expect to see. Kettlewell 6/4 favourite.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 20 Mar 11:41
Neil Lennon is now 2/1 favourite on McBookie and Kettlewell has moved to 4/1.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Thu 20 Mar 12:34
Quote:
Wotsit, Thu 20 Mar 11:41
Neil Lennon is now 2/1 favourite on McBookie and Kettlewell has moved to 4/1.
From the McBookie list my first choice would be Robbie Neilson.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Thu 20 Mar 12:40
Would rather have Craig Levein than Robbie Neilson and that is saying something
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Thu 20 Mar 12:47
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Thu 20 Mar 12:40
Would rather have Craig Levein than Robbie Neilson and that is saying something
Interesting. Neilson has won the championship on 3 occasions with 2 teams. I think he’d be a great option.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 20 Mar 13:00
I wonder if James Bord will be using data analysis to help identify a suitable manager as he apparently did with Michael Tidser? How sophisticated is the technique? Can you specify a certain style of play you want the manager to play or does it just involve looking at hard data on outcomes like win ratios, goals scored/conceded, honours won, etc?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 20 Mar 13:42
I would very much doubt Bord had data on a Scottish league one manager?
This wasn’t his appointment. Local people identified him and Bord authorised it.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Thu 20 Mar 13:43)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 20 Mar 14:04
Well that`s what the Courier`s story says, Raymie. Surely it`s quite common for data analysis to throw up names the operators are not familiar with? Isn`t that the whole point - to identify candidates who might otherwise go unnoticed?
I remember a discussion on BBC Sportsound before his appointment when Tidser`s name was mentioned as was John Colquhoun`s. The inference was that he was involved in recommending him to the club. Is that who you mean by `local people`?
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Thu 20 Mar 15:31
"I wonder if James Bord will be using data analysis to help identify a suitable manager as he apparently did with Michael Tidser? How sophisticated is the technique? Can you specify a certain style of play you want the manager to play or does it just involve looking at hard data on outcomes like win ratios, goals scored/conceded, honours won, etc?"
Brighton use their Data models to find their managers. They continously update the model and have and number of managers (and players) already in mind as replacement for if they loose the current Manger (or player).
"I would very much doubt Bord had data on a Scottish league one manager?"
Why not? Surely if you`re buying a club in the Scottish championship you`re going to have your data analytics work on players/managers/teams/Leagues in relation that the team you`re purchasing?
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Topic Originator: Kyle DAFC
Date: Thu 20 Mar 15:42
“I would very much doubt Bord had data on a Scottish league one manager?
This wasn’t his appointment. Local people identified him and Bord authorised it.”
Very wrong unfortunately.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 20 Mar 16:10
Quote:
Kyle DAFC, Thu 20 Mar 15:42
“I would very much doubt Bord had data on a Scottish league one manager?
This wasn’t his appointment. Local people identified him and Bord authorised it.”
Very wrong unfortunately.
If that is the case then this data led approach like I said in another thread is going to prove to be a nightmare!
What data is being used to pull out Tidser as the best option when he’s in League One with Kelty for a relatively short period of time?
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Thu 20 Mar 16:24
Exactly Berry
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 20 Mar 17:16
Theres a huge difference between Brighton using analytics to appoint managers and Dunfermline using it…….
Lets just hope that whoever the next appointment is, is the right one that can get us to 8th. Then back them to the hilt for a full rebuild in summer.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Thu 20 Mar 18:32
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 20 Mar 17:16
Theres a huge difference between Brighton using analytics to appoint managers and Dunfermline using it…….
There really shouldn`t be. That`s the point of having a modelling approach. Are Brighton identifying players/managers that are in line for champions League clubs? No, they`re identifying them around their level. Same for us. You gather as much info as you can for the candidates, define what characteristics are important and run it through the system.
If the appointment was based on modelling, it means this modelling system isn`t very good, the characteristics defined weren`t ideal for us, or just that there will always be a margin of error.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 20 Mar 18:49
Quote:
fcda, Thu 20 Mar 18:32
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 20 Mar 17:16
Theres a huge difference between Brighton using analytics to appoint managers and Dunfermline using it…….
There really shouldn`t be. That`s the point of having a modelling approach. Are Brighton identifying players/managers that are in line for champions League clubs? No, they`re identifying them around their level. Same for us. You gather as much info as you can for the candidates, define what characteristics are important and run it through the system.
If the appointment was based on modelling, it means this modelling system isn`t very good, the characteristics defined weren`t ideal for us, or just that there will always be a margin of error.
Does the model build in the finances, size/stature, short term aims, long term goals, players available, squad available, fan numbers etc as well?
Or just the managers preferred playing style and wage expectations? AI can be a wonderful tool, but let’s not give in to it just yet……old school ways can still be better.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 20 Mar 19:14
The model might actually be fine as a long term ambition but it couldn’t have come at a worst time really.
If we were going to be stuck with this boring football routine, we’d have been as well as given McPake till the end of the season or at best Lanza John just purely to ensure our safety then start afresh in the summer.
We’ve had far too many new signings who don’t ‘get’ the club and what it is about and haven’t had the time to ‘get’ it quite frankly.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Thu 20 Mar 20:12
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 20 Mar 18:49
Does the model build in the finances, size/stature, short term aims, long term goals, players available, squad available, fan numbers etc as well?
Or just the managers preferred playing style and wage expectations? AI can be a wonderful tool, but let’s not give in to it just yet……old school ways can still be better.
It could be as complex or as simple as they choose. "AI" is a media friendly buzzword but that`s not how I`d describe it - it`s data modelling. Think of it as Top Trumps with thousands of attributes and instead of just comparing one at a time you define the importance of each and compare on that basis.
Let`s hope they`ve learned something about what went wrong with it for the Tidser appointment!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 20 Mar 20:34
Daily Record saying its Lennon!
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