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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 17 May 16:49
Doesn`t it merit a thread? Classic breakaway goal from Palace after being stuck in their own half for the first 15 minutes!
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Topic Originator: Stevie d
Date: Sat 17 May 16:56
Superb game
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 17 May 17:01
Mon the Palace. Proper old school club.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 17 May 17:08
Uncertainty over who would take that penalty probably cost City.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 17 May 17:51
I preferred the days of the old goalmouth stramash.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 17 May 17:59
Quote:
JTH123, Sat 17 May 17:01
Mon the Palace. Proper old school club.
Palace are one of those clubs you’ve got to respect. Based in London where it`s ridiculously easy to get swayed by the glamour of Arsenal, Chelsea, or even spurs, yet they’ve built their own loyal fanbase and identity. Proper club with proper values.
They’re not trying to buy their way to success either, investing smartly in youth, playing attractive football, and staying grounded. Even their ownership model and the connection with fans is miles ahead of a lot of so-called “big clubs.”
Selhurst might not be the most attractive grounds but it’s always rocking. Clubs like Palace are the soul of the Premier League and deserve to enjoy the fruits of their labour.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 17 May 18:26
10 minutes of injury time seems a lot
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Topic Originator: Stevie d
Date: Sat 17 May 18:34
Pepe not happy. Well done palace.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 17 May 18:35
Get it up ye Pep! “Stay humble eh” Haaland 😂😂😂 they are so bad this season! Think Pepball is finished in England.
Very professional second half from Palace, even losing best centre half during half. Well done.
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Sat 17 May 18:37
Pep showing his lack of class AGAIN.
Most overrated manager ever.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 17 May 18:39
Quote:
stevemac, Sat 17 May 18:37
Pep showing his lack of class AGAIN.
Most overrated manager ever.
No class totally although overrated is a bit of a stretch.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sat 17 May 18:41
City threw everything at that Palace defence. All credit to Palace
Withheld all the pressure and took their chances(s).
Thoroughly enjoyable game and the best team won.
Congratulations to all Palace fans 👊
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 17 May 18:43
Peps been handed trophies on a plate, wether with inheriting great players or being given an open chest of money to do so.
Will he hang around when City are banished from the PL in the summer?
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sat 17 May 18:43
Just love to see the big money teams losing.
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Sat 17 May 19:02
He has had money everywhere he has gone. Seriously found out this season ,as have "superstars" like Harland,Foden and Silva.
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Sat 17 May 19:04
He has had money everywhere he has gone. Seriously found out this season ,as have "superstars" like Harland,Foden and Silva.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 17 May 19:05
Man City are incredibly boring to watch, delighted to see them lose.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 17 May 19:24
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 17 May 18:43
Peps been handed trophies on a plate, wether with inheriting great players or being given an open chest of money to do so.
Tired of the “Pep only wins with money” narrative. Yes, he’s had resources, but so have others. City are 6th in net spend in the last 5 years.
1) Chelsea five-year net spend: £-783.58m
24/25: £-12.96m
23/24: £-153.68m (6th)
22/23: £-442.06m (12th)
21/22: £31.16m (3rd)
20/21: £-157.53m (4th)
2) Manchester United five-year net spend: £-565.08m
24/25: £-117.79m
23/24: £-119.33m (8th)
22/23: £-182.05m (3rd)
21/22: £-91.93m (6th)
20/21: £-53.42m (2nd)
3) Tottenham five-year net spend: £-472.31m
24/25: £-91.42m
23/24: £-125.5m (5th)
22/23: £-117m (8th)
21/22: £-50.8m (4th)
20/21: £-80.57m (7th)
4) Arsenal five-year net spend: £-460.22m
24/25: £-20.81m
23/24: £-137.52m (2nd)
22/23: £-134.78m (2nd)
21/22: £-112.73m (5th)
20/21: £-55.41m (8th)
5) Newcastle five-year net spend: £-350.18m
24/25: £17.73m
23/24: £-85.79m (7th)
22/23: £-141.69m (4th)
21/22: £-108.17m (11th)
20/21: £-31.47m (12th)
6) Manchester City five-year net spend: £-321.83m
24/25: £-84.73m
23/24: £-114.47m (Champions)
22/23: £5.94m (Champions)
21/22: £-37.38m (Champions)
20/21: £-90.68m (Champions)
None have built teams as dominant or consistent. Look at the evolution of players under him he didn’t just buy stars, he made them better.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 17 May 20:10
That`s official spends, how about the under the table fees? And net spend will be lower because - to Man City`s credit - they male a lot of money selling off academy players each year (including the likes of Cole Palmer). He`s all laughs and jokes about how good other teams are when they beat them 5 and 6 nil, but as soon as they lose he takes a huff. And he complains all the time about fouling when he basically invented the modern tactical foul. Haaland bottling out of taking a penalty was also glorious. Stay humble indeed.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 17 May 21:04
Delighted for Palace and their wonderful support through thick and thin .. mostly thin .. game plan spot on .. Pep letting himself down again ..
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 17 May 21:05
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sat 17 May 19:24
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 17 May 18:43
Peps been handed trophies on a plate, wether with inheriting great players or being given an open chest of money to do so.
Tired of the “Pep only wins with money” narrative. Yes, he’s had resources, but so have others. City are 6th in net spend in the last 5 years.
1) Chelsea five-year net spend: £-783.58m
24/25: £-12.96m
23/24: £-153.68m (6th)
22/23: £-442.06m (12th)
21/22: £31.16m (3rd)
20/21: £-157.53m (4th)
2) Manchester United five-year net spend: £-565.08m
24/25: £-117.79m
23/24: £-119.33m (8th)
22/23: £-182.05m (3rd)
21/22: £-91.93m (6th)
20/21: £-53.42m (2nd)
3) Tottenham five-year net spend: £-472.31m
24/25: £-91.42m
23/24: £-125.5m (5th)
22/23: £-117m (8th)
21/22: £-50.8m (4th)
20/21: £-80.57m (7th)
4) Arsenal five-year net spend: £-460.22m
24/25: £-20.81m
23/24: £-137.52m (2nd)
22/23: £-134.78m (2nd)
21/22: £-112.73m (5th)
20/21: £-55.41m (8th)
5) Newcastle five-year net spend: £-350.18m
24/25: £17.73m
23/24: £-85.79m (7th)
22/23: £-141.69m (4th)
21/22: £-108.17m (11th)
20/21: £-31.47m (12th)
6) Manchester City five-year net spend: £-321.83m
24/25: £-84.73m
23/24: £-114.47m (Champions)
22/23: £5.94m (Champions)
21/22: £-37.38m (Champions)
20/21: £-90.68m (Champions)
None have built teams as dominant or consistent. Look at the evolution of players under him he didn’t just buy stars, he made them better.
Wheres Liverpool, current champions, in this list? City could be stripped of 2/3 titles if the charges ring true based on false data and income. Could also be punted from the league and potentially dragged through the real courts for financial doping and money laundering. IF found guilty, would Peps “success” still be lauded?
Peps a petulant child when beaten, along with some of the more senior players, KDB being one of them.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 17 May 22:12
Loving it, well done Palace!👍
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sat 17 May 22:49
To be fair , and i don`t like Peps football , but VAR got it completely wrong. It should have been a sending off for the Palace keeper .
Post Edited (Sat 17 May 22:51)
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Topic Originator: arpar
Date: Sun 18 May 00:08
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Sat 17 May 22:49
To be fair , and i don`t like Peps football , but VAR got it completely wrong. It should have been a sending off for the Palace keeper .
Never a sending off but should have been a free kick and a booking. VAR can`t give that though.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 18 May 06:38
Delighted for Palace and their fans, 120 years was a long time to wait for their first major national trophy.
City had lots of possession but ultimately failed to put the ball in the net, even contriving to miss from the spot. I`m with those who believe Henderson should have seen red. Had that happened, Palace would almost inevitably have crumbled. For City, that would just have been another trophy - for Palace, it`s the greatest result in their entire history.
I can understand Guardiola`s anger and frustration at the end, but he was well out of order in directing his ire at the Palace keeper. Henderson panicked and acted instinctively in slapping the ball away from Halland. It wasn`t his fault that the match officials failed to send him off.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Sun 18 May 07:48
I don`t think it was a red card, there were quite a few elements of doubt there. The ball was bouncing and heading towards the corner flag, not towards the goal. It would have taken at least a touch from Halaand to get in under control, he`d have needed to use his right foot which is certainly much weaker. Henderson wouldn`t have been totally out of the picture either and there were two Palace defenders that would have been blocking the goal. Too much doubt to label that a clear goalscoring opportunity, also too much doubt to say it was a clear and obvious error. It should have been a free-kick and a yellow.
City got lucky with the penalty as well, Silva dived and was falling over before Mitchell touched him - he didn`t need to, as Mitchell would have taken him out anyway with what was a unnecessary, clumsy challenge.
I didn`t think Palace played well, they can do much better than that but one brilliant goal, a strong defensive effort and a few outstanding individual performances got them over the line. Really happy for Palace to win and with Newcastle winning the League Cup, a good season in that sense in that fans of clubs who have waited forever in most cases get to celebrate.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Sun 18 May 08:10
I thought Palace were really well organised. It looked a bit like they were giving up too much territory and possession at the start but in reality that was playing to their strengths getting City high up the park and giving Palace plenty of space to hit them on the counter with their pace. The likes of De Bruyne and Silva aren`t as quick going backwards these days.I can`t recall which game it was but Eze scored a pretty much identical goal recently if I remember correctly. Wouldn`t be surprised if there was interest in him. I like the look of Wharton too.
City were pretty predictable in their build up, with the ball mainly ending up at Doku`s feet after numerous passes by which time Palace, in the main, were pretty well organised. At one point it looked as if City lacked urgency and had ran out of ideas.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 18 May 08:30
Quote:
Bucuresti Par, Sun 18 May 07:48
I don`t think it was a red card, there were quite a few elements of doubt there. The ball was bouncing and heading towards the corner flag, not towards the goal. It would have taken at least a touch from Halaand to get in under control, he`d have needed to use his right foot which is certainly much weaker. Henderson wouldn`t have been totally out of the picture either and there were two Palace defenders that would have been blocking the goal. Too much doubt to label that a clear goalscoring opportunity, also too much doubt to say it was a clear and obvious error. It should have been a free-kick and a yellow.
City got lucky with the penalty as well, Silva dived and was falling over before Mitchell touched him - he didn`t need to, as Mitchell would have taken him out anyway with what was a unnecessary, clumsy challenge.
I didn`t think Palace played well, they can do much better than that but one brilliant goal, a strong defensive effort and a few outstanding individual performances got them over the line. Really happy for Palace to win and with Newcastle winning the League Cup, a good season in that sense in that fans of clubs who have waited forever in most cases get to celebrate.
I don`t think you can take into account factors like the chance would have fallen to Haaland`s weaker foot. He got a touch ahead of the keeper, which would perhaps have had him looking at an open goal, although covering Palace defenders may have been able to block any shot. I also agree City benefitted from a very soft penalty award.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Sun 18 May 08:45
Does your use of perhaps not automatically means it fails the DOGSO threshold?
Haaland`s body shape is going away from goal. He might have been able to change his shape, and he might have scored from the angle, which would of needed to be reasonably powerful to take out the recovering defender. There`s doubt tho, and that means it`s not a red
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Sun 18 May 08:52
Perhaps you can`t speculate about stronger or weaker feet. Halaand didn`t touch it because of Henderson swatting it away. He didn`t have control of the ball, so there is some guess work about how good a touch he would have taken (he was stretching and the ball was quite high in the air), and exactly where the goalkeeper and defenders would have been after.
I think the timing plays an issue as well, it is quite early on in the final. A red card damages the spectacle a lot. Regardless of VAR input, it is still a decision made by humans, this thought will have been invading their thinking.
I think it is hysterical reaction to say it is a certain red - you can argue that, but there is doubt. There would have been lots of controversy as well had Henderson been sent off.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 18 May 09:57
The keeper`s handball outside the penalty area had to a red card - a goal scoring opportunity is not defined into varying categories of possible / perhaps / if / assuming / maybe etc.
Had he not handled illegally a goal scoring opportunity was there.
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Topic Originator: JimDAFC
Date: Sun 18 May 10:18
Henderson feet were in the box when he handled the ball I`m sure but obviously his hand was across the line, does that matter. Taking it another way if an attackers arm is in the box but he is fouled outside the box it is not a penalty, just wondering like?
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Sun 18 May 10:27
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The keeper`s handball outside the penalty area had to a red card - a goal scoring opportunity is not defined into varying categories of possible / perhaps / if / assuming / maybe etc."
It has one definition and that is obvious, a criteria that can not be met if the direction of play is away from goal, which it was.
"Henderson feet were in the box when he handled the ball I`m sure but obviously his hand was across the line, does that matter. Taking it another way if an attackers arm is in the box but he is fouled outside the box it is not a penalty, just wondering "
Handball is where the hand touches the ball. Foul its point of contact. If a player is standing one foot in the box one outside and you kick the one outside it`s a free kick, if you kick the one inside it`s a penalty
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 18 May 10:40
Quote:
pars4life1, Sun 18 May 08:45
Does your use of perhaps not automatically means it fails the DOGSO threshold?
Haaland`s body shape is going away from goal. He might have been able to change his shape, and he might have scored from the angle, which would of needed to be reasonably powerful to take out the recovering defender. There`s doubt tho, and that means it`s not a red
My use of "perhaps" was in "perhaps he might have been looking at an open goal," as opposed to one that was partially blocked by covering defenders, pars4life.
I`m not saying it was a stonewall red card and it would almost certainly have spoiled the game as a contest, but that`s neither here nor there when an arbitrary decision has to be made. It must certainly come into the minds of match officials since the first sending off in a Wembley final was not that long ago. I can`t remember the year or the offender off the top of my head.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 18 May 10:56
For me, the most surprising thing about the Henderson handball incident was that neither the ref nor his assistant noticed that it happened outside the box and should been a free kick at least. The subsequent analysis seemed to ignore that.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 18 May 11:05
Any club funded by an oil state and jimmying the books behind the scenes deserves at least several questionable decisions going the other way every single game. Delighted for Palace and you could see how much it meant to each and every one of their fans. Quality.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Sun 18 May 11:44
Quote:
GG Riva, Sun 18 May 10:40
Quote:
pars4life1, Sun 18 May 08:45
Does your use of perhaps not automatically means it fails the DOGSO threshold?
Haaland`s body shape is going away from goal. He might have been able to change his shape, and he might have scored from the angle, which would of needed to be reasonably powerful to take out the recovering defender. There`s doubt tho, and that means it`s not a red
My use of "perhaps" was in "perhaps he might have been looking at an open goal," as opposed to one that was partially blocked by covering defenders, pars4life.
I`m not saying it was a stonewall red card and it would almost certainly have spoiled the game as a contest, but that`s neither here nor there when an arbitrary decision has to be made. It must certainly come into the minds of match officials since the first sending off in a Wembley final was not that long ago. I can`t remember the year or the offender off the top of my head.
Kevin Moran for Man Utd against Everton 1985 GG ...
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