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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 6 Jun 18:57
A. Gunn
K. Tierney
G. Hanley
J. Souttar
A. Robertson (c)
M. Johnston
S. McTominay
J. McGinn
B. Gilmour
L. Ferguson
G. Hirst
BBC reckons five at the back with Johnston and Robertson as wing backs and Hirst on his own up front,
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Fri 6 Jun 19:05
Hanley starting. What`s the point.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 6 Jun 19:13
Deffo a back 5 with 4 midfielders starting - guessing will be Ferguson and McTom supporting.
Hanley must have something on Clarke - barely played for Birmingham in League One yet plays ahead of McKenna who played 29 league games in La Liga this year……
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 6 Jun 19:39
Mon Scotland 🏴
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 6 Jun 19:52
Angus Gunn off injured.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 6 Jun 19:56
Iceland score
0-1
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: maradona86
Date: Fri 6 Jun 19:58
The younger brother of the Icelandic manager made 1 substitute appearance for us v Hibs in 2006, Garðar Gunnlaugsson, no recollection of him at all.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Fri 6 Jun 19:58
Really poor kick from Slicker for the goal, great finish though
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:00
What a debut
Jim Will esq 🫣🫣
Post Edited (Fri 06 Jun 20:02)
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:01
Quote:
Connor560, Fri 6 Jun 19:58
Really poor kick from Slicker for the goal, great finish though
Never heard of the boy, doesn’t look like he’s played much, we that short on keepers?
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Topic Originator: Lenstar
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:05
Very poor start from us, easy to pick out individuals so won`t, but its a hard watch
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:05
Quote:
Berry, Fri 6 Jun 20:01
Quote:
Connor560, Fri 6 Jun 19:58
Really poor kick from Slicker for the goal, great finish though
Never heard of the boy, doesn’t look like he’s played much, we that short on keepers?
3rd choice at Ipswich. Gordon and Kelly would be the usual other 2, both are injured.
Not sure where Zander Clark is, Robbie McCrorie is the other on the bench
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:13
GOALLLLLLLL
Scotland 1-1 Iceland
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Lenstar
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:15
yessssss
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:20
Quote:
maradona86, Fri 6 Jun 19:58
The younger brother of the Icelandic manager made 1 substitute appearance for us v Hibs in 2006, Garðar Gunnlaugsson, no recollection of him at all.
Ahhh the good old Icelandic model 😂😂
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:23
Norway beating Italy 2-0 😮
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:34
So bad defensively
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:37
This is the worst football I’ve ever seen and Steve Clarke is to blame. He has done all he can with this team. We are going backwards.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:38
Embarrassingly pihs
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:42
That 2nd has to be the worst goal I`ve ever seen at International level
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:43
Did Slicker win a raffle to play ?
I hate using friendlies as any sort of guage ( especially unnecessary ones in June when players deserve time off). We have been lucky with goalies for many years but god help us if this is the best we have now (including the likes of Kelly).
...and Hanlon should gtf also.
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Fri 6 Jun 20:56
5 st the back and only 1 up front. Has McPake
picked the team.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:03
Who the hell is this keeper wouldnt get a game for the rovers
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:05
I swear, if I was watching this on a plane I’d walk out. Feel sorry for the keeper. Clarke should never have put him on. Yet another mistake on his part.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:06
After the game on Monday, Clarke will disappear again, never to be seen or questioned until the next international where he will bite the head of any journalist trying to get him to explain why he is such a ****** idiot. The SFA will do nothing as Clarke causes no problems.
The guy is an utter charlatan.
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Topic Originator: Lenstar
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:06
Goal given! I feel sorry for our debut keeper, few errors but his defence have left him a bit exposed I think
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Topic Originator: Lenstar
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:07
Topic Originator: Rigger Al like
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:03
Who the hell is this keeper wouldnt get a game for the rovers
p!sh
Post Edited (Fri 06 Jun 21:09)
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:16
Gordon still going strongly into his 40`s papered over the cracks for the lack of decent goalie`s coming through.
McCrorie and Kelly will be back in the mix following this you`d have to imagine.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:17
We`re never going to compete anywhere near where we want with such an average strike force and lack of creativity. I wouldn`t want any of them (strikers) at Dunfermline, never mind Scotland.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:26
If there`s anything worse than a pre-season friendly it must be a post-season friendly.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:29
I don`t see Norway winning as a big shock as they`ve got a couple of cracking centre forwards. It not just Haaland, Sorloth is a class act.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:36
Adams is a 20 million pound Serie A striker. We have a 5 man midfield worth 150+ million. If you can`t use that combination to create chances against Iceland when playing at home then you should not be managing an international team
Post Edited (Fri 06 Jun 21:49)
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:43
Give Ange a shout. Hear he`s looking for a gig.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:53
Well I am sure most people will be the same as me , that`s an hour and a half of our life we want get back after watching that lot !
No Tempo , no creation from the midfield etc etc etc , was like watching the Pars
I certainly will not be watching that lot on Monday will be the same old crap that Clarke has been providing us for ages !
We have some good players but the minute they pull on a Scotland shirt we know what`s coming , we really should be creating loads of chances against a team like Iceland , end of rant
Forgot to add Clarke is to blame for putting on Slicker , I actually felt sorry for him
Post Edited (Fri 06 Jun 21:55)
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Fri 6 Jun 21:53
I’m pretty sure I’m right in thinking that since we qualified for the last euros, we’ve been absolutely horrendous. Clarke is too loyal to garbage players or players out of form. Some of our so-called big players need dropped but Clarke isn’t brave enough to do it.
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Topic Originator: Steviethepar2
Date: Fri 6 Jun 22:17
Never seen a game so flat managers demeanor player fans etc
Even after non want to criticise Clark absolutely no motivational abilities and that’s fine in once we qualified for last Euros
Assuming Liam Kelly and zander Clark are injured even then McCrorie should have come on
Despite that for them to go On about goalie not saving second despite 3 Iceland players offside and yet getting played on when ball played is shocking defending so don’t blame a young keeper for experienced players failing to protect him
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 6 Jun 22:27
Just watched the goals after reading texts and comments on social media. Defence poor for all 3, only one I`d wholly blame the keeper for is the 3rd.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Fri 6 Jun 22:28
Sackable result .
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Fri 6 Jun 22:51
Embarrassing result and kills our 100% win record v Iceland. I’ll be glad to see the back of Clarke after this campaign. I think we have no chance of qualifying against Denmark and Greece who actually have talent going forward and would tear through our defence. The fact he persists with Hanley and doesn’t bring Conway on until the 80th minute shows he has went backwards. He needs to scrap 5 at the back as well and just decide whether to start Tierney or Robertson (or play Tierney at right back.) We have become boring and predictable and it’s obvious a change is needed. The goalkeeping crisis has been a worry for a number of years now too and is finally starting to affect us. It’s a shame we couldn’t convince Chris Brady to join us.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 6 Jun 22:59
Should do everything in our power to get Ange in, he always wins in his second season.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 6 Jun 23:29
Quote:
Steviethepar2, Fri 6 Jun 22:17
Never seen a game so flat managers demeanor player fans etc
Even after non want to criticise Clark absolutely no motivational abilities and that’s fine in once we qualified for last Euros
Assuming Liam Kelly and zander Clark are injured even then McCrorie should have come on
Despite that for them to go On about goalie not saving second despite 3 Iceland players offside and yet getting played on when ball played is shocking defending so don’t blame a young keeper for experienced players failing to protect him
McCrorie injured in the warm up so wasn`t available.
Kelly/Clark/Gordon all injured.
Who else is there?
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Fri 6 Jun 23:54
Time for Clarke to go. Back 5 at home to Iceland is pathetic
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 7 Jun 05:17
Quote:
DBA, Fri 6 Jun 23:29
Quote:
Steviethepar2, Fri 6 Jun 22:17
Never seen a game so flat managers demeanor player fans etc
Even after non want to criticise Clark absolutely no motivational abilities and that’s fine in once we qualified for last Euros
Assuming Liam Kelly and zander Clark are injured even then McCrorie should have come on
Despite that for them to go On about goalie not saving second despite 3 Iceland players offside and yet getting played on when ball played is shocking defending so don’t blame a young keeper for experienced players failing to protect him
McCrorie injured in the warm up so wasn`t available.
Kelly/Clark/Gordon all injured.
Who else is there?
Not saying it wasn’t true, but how come the first we heard of McCrories injury was in Clarkes post match interview? Normally theres news relayed to the tv crews. Listened to the post match stuff on the radio and they seemed completely bemused that McCrorie picked up a knock.
Post Edited (Sat 07 Jun 05:18)
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 7 Jun 07:20
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 7 Jun 05:17
Quote:
DBA, Fri 6 Jun 23:29
Quote:
Steviethepar2, Fri 6 Jun 22:17
Never seen a game so flat managers demeanor player fans etc
Even after non want to criticise Clark absolutely no motivational abilities and that’s fine in once we qualified for last Euros
Assuming Liam Kelly and zander Clark are injured even then McCrorie should have come on
Despite that for them to go On about goalie not saving second despite 3 Iceland players offside and yet getting played on when ball played is shocking defending so don’t blame a young keeper for experienced players failing to protect him
McCrorie injured in the warm up so wasn`t available.
Kelly/Clark/Gordon all injured.
Who else is there?
Not saying it wasn’t true, but how come the first we heard of McCrories injury was in Clarkes post match interview? Normally theres news relayed to the tv crews. Listened to the post match stuff on the radio and they seemed completely bemused that McCrorie picked up a knock.
What would be the point of him lying about it? No one would have needed to know had Gunn not been injured.
The players would know if it was a lie too, so absolutely no reason to, especially in a friendly. Bizarre take to think otherwise.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 7 Jun 08:41
Quote:
DBA, Sat 7 Jun 07:20
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 7 Jun 05:17
Quote:
DBA, Fri 6 Jun 23:29
Quote:
Steviethepar2, Fri 6 Jun 22:17
Never seen a game so flat managers demeanor player fans etc
Even after non want to criticise Clark absolutely no motivational abilities and that’s fine in once we qualified for last Euros
Assuming Liam Kelly and zander Clark are injured even then McCrorie should have come on
Despite that for them to go On about goalie not saving second despite 3 Iceland players offside and yet getting played on when ball played is shocking defending so don’t blame a young keeper for experienced players failing to protect him
McCrorie injured in the warm up so wasn`t available.
Kelly/Clark/Gordon all injured.
Who else is there?
Not saying it wasn’t true, but how come the first we heard of McCrories injury was in Clarkes post match interview? Normally theres news relayed to the tv crews. Listened to the post match stuff on the radio and they seemed completely bemused that McCrorie picked up a knock.
What would be the point of him lying about it? No one would have needed to know had Gunn not been injured.
The players would know if it was a lie too, so absolutely no reason to, especially in a friendly. Bizarre take to think otherwise.
Did you miss my first line that said I didn’t say it wasn’t true?
The take on it is that it is normally relayed to media teams if a player is injured during a warm up, but on this occasion it wasn’t. It may have stopped a bit of the confusion and comments from fans/pundits regarding Slicker had it been broadcast.
The first discussion they had on Sportsound was regarding Slicker being selected ahead of McCrorie and they didn’t find out about it until the end of the show - may have allowed them to be more lenient towards the manager/player if they knew.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Sat 7 Jun 08:47
The young keeper will probably be the scapegoat here , but he got no help whatsoever from the guys in front of him . Sure, he made mistakes , but we were 2nd best all over the park , and the dug-out . Get this negative clown Clarke out .
He`s been a very lucky manager , but his luck isn`t carrying him anymore .
We are a laughing stock .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 7 Jun 09:19
Pathetic performance, switched it off before half time.
He only plays 5 at the back so that he can get Tierney and Robertson both on the pitch.
Either choose one to play left back in a four or play Robertson LB and Tierney as a left sided CB.
We must have other keepers available who aren’t injured at the moment for Tuesday? Jordan Archer (Portsmouth), Ross Doohan (Aberdeen) or even Scott Bain.
Clarke can’t lead us through another qualification campaign.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 7 Jun 10:37
Keeper should not be criticised really. Thrown into a game when he was only ever there to gain squad experience.
He was unprepared and I agree with the comment the other players in front of him should be defending the goal better to protect him.
The scoreline doesn’t bother me as much as it does some.
Players have just finished their seasons and playing friendlies at this time seem ludicrous to me but we don’t set the rules.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 7 Jun 10:42
None of these keepers is a regular starter for his club. Jordan Archer has one full cap, a game against Peru in 2018 when he was at fault for both goals apparently in a 2-0 defeat to Peru!
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Sat 7 Jun 12:34
Looked like a poor Michal Hrivnak at one point
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: AveragePar
Date: Sat 7 Jun 12:54
Don’t think it’s mad to say we could well lose again to Liechtenstein. Steve has to go.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sat 7 Jun 13:42
Remember Stevie Boy has `earned the right` to **** up the World Cup qualifiers. Cause that`s more important than actually qualifying.
His record over the last 20 odd games is an utter disgrace. There is a massive fallacy built up around how he saved the Scotland team but the performances are worse than the ones that got McLeish sacked. He has benefitted from a midfield that is easily top 15 in the World, and some top class defenders but we are as awful as ever.
McLeish should get the credit for the first Euros, then Clarke shat the bed. The second qualifying is really built around the 3 minutes of the Norway game where we were utterly atrocious. England have now had 3 foreign managers, Belgium, Brazil, all happy to take foreigners but not the pathetic old men that run the SFA. They want a grateful weegie in the job so they can continue to swan about on massive salaries when they should be in a care home.
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sat 7 Jun 14:02
Steve Clarke has never been anything special.
He has done well sometimes, like getting
us to the Euros twice. Only thing is that we
we`re so poor both times. His tactics and
team formations are a joke. We need someone
with a bit of vision.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 7 Jun 14:04
Quote:
AveragePar, Sat 7 Jun 12:54
Don’t think it’s mad to say we could well lose again to Liechtenstein. Steve has to go.
We could lose 5-0 and the SFA still wont let him go. His tenure is becoming a bit like McPake - poor performances for the majority saved by 1 or 2 good results in the year.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 7 Jun 14:05
Players looked tired and were dreaming of being on the beach, do they not deserve some time off?
Is it going to end up with players "retiring " from international teams due to work load?
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 7 Jun 14:07
The goods news is that, since it was only a friendly, Slicker is still eligible for England.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 7 Jun 14:13
It`s quite common on here to re-write history to suit a particular agenda. I don`t think many fans thought we had `top class` defenders when we were scratching around for centre backs not so long ago. Now we`re in the same position with goalies.
After watching the debacle last night I watched a programme on BBC Scotland about Scottish football which mainly dealt with the national team and its record in major tournaments. It`s easy to forget that between 1998 and 2020 we failed to reach the finals of either the World Cup or the Euros. Since Craig Brown resigned in 2002 we have had 8 managers (including Alex McLeish twice) and the first of these was Berti Vogts who I`m pretty sure isn`t a weegie. His appointment was seen as a bit of an innovation at the time but unfortunately his tenure did nothing to encourage the appointment of another `foreigner`.
As usual in football, managers defy the odds to achieve a bit of success, raise expectations and then are viewed as failures when they have difficulty repeating it. Callum Davidson is probably the best example at club level in Scotland.
Post Edited (Sat 07 Jun 14:17)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 7 Jun 14:29
We certainly don’t have top class centre halves. Over the last 10 years though we have had quality keepers, left backs and now centre mids. Doak also looks a great talent.
The issue we have though is theres no “top” keeper coming through, no good centre halves kicking about (excluding injury prone Souttar), no top level wingers and no quality striker coming through yet.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 7 Jun 14:36
Honestly, it’s a terrible time to have a friendly match. McTominay, Gilmour and others that have celebrated winning league titles will be sweating the drink out. Gunn and McCrorie getting injured is a nightmare. Iceland are what they are. A team we should beat but never to be taken lightly, they’ve got some good players in fairness to them.
I definitely think we need to start planning past Grant Hanley though. Hendry, McKenna and Souttar to me are the best 3. It would be better to give a young boy some experience-especially if we’re to be getting beat 3-1 at home to Iceland. Hanley will have taken nothing from that, a young centre half would have learnt a lot.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 7 Jun 14:51
The day after the night before, and I’m absolutely scunnered, folks — properly scunnered. I’ve been traipsing through to Hampden for pretty much every home game over the past 20-odd years, and last night was the first time I’ve ever left early. Just couldn’t stick it anymore.
A lad on our supporters bus asked me, “When was the last time you actually enjoyed a game?” And honestly? Probably the Spain win — over two years ago.
I don’t know if it’s just me — and I’m starting to worry it might be — but watching this Scotland side has me seriously questioning if I even want to be part of the modern game anymore. I used to bang on about style of play under both Tidser and McPake… but at (almost) 45, am I just turning into a dinosaur?
Under Clarke, we look so flat. No urgency, no tempo, no width. It’s like watching Celtic at their worst — endless passing, often at walking pace, going nowhere fast. We don’t press, we don’t tackle, we just… usher players along. It’s utterly dire to watch.
And the “famous Hampden roar”? Give me peace. It’s a myth these days. Last night was another example — the players offered nothing, and the crowd just sat in silence or moaned. Totally flat from start to finish.
I’ve backed Clarke plenty over the years, but I honestly think it’s time for a change. I’ve never bought into the “he always picks the same players” stuff — he has refreshed the squad over time — but he’s gone stale, and he can’t keep leaning on past loyalty.
We’ve made no progress in finding a proper replacement for Craig Gordon, and last night was cruel on Ciaran Slicker. Clarke said he had no choice due to injuries, but surely they saw in training over the last squad that he wasn’t ready? That lad should never have been put in that position — someone’s son, chucked in like that. Felt awful for him.
Defensively, we were a shambles. Robertson looks like he’s regressing. Johnston was no more than okay. Tierney looks like injuries are catching up with him, and Hanley — at this level — is done. It was actually embarrassing how often Gudjohnsen got away from him. Don’t know how it came across on TV, but in the ground, it was glaring.
Midfield wasn’t any better. Ferguson and Gilmour didn’t work, McTominay looked absolutely done in, and McGinn… honestly, when was the last time he had a good game for us? He’s either wasted out on the left or just off the boil completely. We’ve got to stop pretending he’s untouchable.
I thought Hurst looked promising. Missed the header, yes, but did what he could and looked an upgrade on Dykes. From the subs, only McKenna and Miller really got the chance to make a mark — and both did well. Miller actually looked like he belonged, and McKenna showed he’s a better option than Hanley.
I’ve already accepted we’re not going to the World Cup. Denmark and Greece look miles ahead of us. But how did it get to this? I can’t help but feel Clarke’s negativity has seeped into the squad. They’re turning inwards instead of getting stuck in, and that comes from the top.
Feels like we’re writing off another campaign before it’s properly started, but I really hope the SFA are already looking at who might come in next. Because something has to change.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 7 Jun 15:35
^^^^^ Good post, Buster.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 7 Jun 15:39
Thank you GG 👍🏻
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