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Topic Originator: sjapar
Date: Fri 22 Aug 20:29
A think he found his level with Edinburgh city , simply not good enough at this level , which unfortunately is the case for a fair few of these players . What Lennon see’s on Oakley booth is also baffling .
Sja
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 22 Aug 20:33
Get it into his feet and let him spin - he`s not going to anything up there on his own with balls shelled up at him with three experienced centre halves breathing down his neck.
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Fri 22 Aug 20:34
Canny be easy being a loan striker in this league. He needs someone up there with him.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 22 Aug 20:34
Yeah boothe told us he didn’t fancy the physical nature of this league last season, that will prove to a mistake as he marks the space when out of possession and marks a raith man when we do have possession. You could take him or Otoo off as neither have touched the ball, amade would make a difference, hell a traffic cone would offer offer more than those 2 so far.
Had high hopes for young and think he’s having a crisis of confidence but if you can’t even control the ball its alarm bells ringing.
Thank god we signed Gilmour, he’s the only difference from last season so far.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 22 Aug 20:36
Otoo and hosler missing in action ,defence brutal
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Fri 22 Aug 20:37
We could have mbappe upfront and it wouldn’t matter the way we’re playing. Can’t touch the ball within 30 yards of their goal.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 22 Aug 20:39
Quote:
par_33, Fri 22 Aug 20:34
Canny be easy being a loan striker in this league. He needs someone up there with him.
He`s not on loan, he`s our player 😉
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 22 Aug 20:42
The fall off from hosler has been brutal, he’s lucky it was a long term contract he signed, will drop out of the team very soon and be away at the end of the season.
If we get any offer for otoo it’s worth taking, he’s getting schooled again tonight.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Parster
Date: Fri 22 Aug 20:51
He can`t lay the ball off to himself give him help
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 22 Aug 21:37
A bit harsh, nobody has been paticularly good.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Fri 22 Aug 21:50
When we sign a no 9 he will be 3rd choice.
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Fri 22 Aug 22:12
Think he is almost like a Craig Wighton type of player, get the ball to him in the box and let him work his magic. Outside the box, doesn`t seem to be able told his water...
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Fri 22 Aug 22:20
Hard shift for Connor Young getting long balls hoofed up to him for the whole first half. Looks ok when the ball`s played into his feet
Disappointed with Hosler, Otoo & Oakley Booth though
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Fri 22 Aug 22:23
Bit harsh. I think there`s something to work with but we need experience to help this team out.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 22 Aug 22:24
Hard when he was spending half his time hugging the touchline tonight. Cant hold a ball up either but we insisted on going long to him.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Fri 22 Aug 22:30
I don’t see what Lennon sees in Oakley-Boothe at all. Offers nothing. We looked a lot better when Amade was in beside Gilmour.
Hosler is just a wasted jersey, again thought we looked better when Kearney came on.
We are crying out for an experienced striker to be brought in, hopefully the board put up some cash and get one or two over the line.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Fri 22 Aug 22:34
Don`t blame him at all for tonight. A lot of empty jerseys in that game. We got spooked big time and never recovered. Massive wake up call.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Fri 22 Aug 22:36
He`s one of them empty jumpers, no where near the level required to play in Lennon`s system
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 22 Aug 22:49
If it was anywhere near 500 000 made avaliable last few weeks for a striker,cant believe we cant get someone in
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Fri 22 Aug 22:50
Why have we not at least looked at Oli Shaw? He would’ve done a lot more than what was on show tonight.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 22 Aug 23:44
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Fri 22 Aug 22:50
Why have we not at least looked at Oli Shaw? He would’ve done a lot more than what was on show tonight.
How do you know we haven`t?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 22 Aug 23:55
Fairly sure Shaw was at Hibs with Lennon previously.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sat 23 Aug 00:00
Hasn`t a physical presence, constantly throwing himself to the ground, first touch is awful, freekicks are shocking ,not even an upgrade on Lewis McCann.
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Sat 23 Aug 01:08
Brutal, go back to league 2
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 23 Aug 01:10
A loan period with a league one side might do him some good.
Going from league 2 straight to the championship was probably a big ask.
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Sat 23 Aug 01:41
Quote:
Never10yairds, Sat 23 Aug 01:10
A loan period with a league one side might do him some good.
Going from league 2 straight to the championship was probably a big ask.
don’t think a league one side would even want him he offers nothing
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 23 Aug 06:09
Here we go, a .net pile in ffs.
He got no service from an utterly benign midfield, granted i`ll agree with the falling down bit, that was getting on my nerves.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Sat 23 Aug 07:34)
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 23 Aug 08:43
Topic Originator: sjapar
Date: Fri 22 Aug 20:29
A think he found his level with Edinburgh city , simply not good enough at this level , which unfortunately is the case for a fair few of these players . What Lennon see’s on Oakley booth is also baffling .
A bit harsh regarding Young. He was one of the few in the first half that brought the ball down and passed, the rest were happy to play hoof ball or head tennis.
He is not the type of player who is going to dribble past three players and score.
He needs to be dovetailing off another striker and getting service. He got none last night. But credit where it’s due Rovers defence was excellent and the hardly gave us a sniff.
With regards to ToB I have still not seen what he can bring to the team. Gilmour, Amade, Bray, M Todd are better options. Can see him and Otoo being benched. At least Otoo can fill a couple of positions if needed.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Sat 23 Aug 12:20
We lack experience and aggression in the first half. I would have played Hamilton with Benny to counter Stevenson and Easton.
I believe the comments on Ooto are unfair as he is usually one of our better players.
Mullen is a bomb scare as he is wasteful and risk-taking when it`s unnecessary. If he continues in the team he will cost us many more goals unless he is sorted out.
The forwards didn`t have anything to work on with us constantly punting high balls up that ended in games of head tennis that we usually lost.
The second half was better but little cutting edge until Kane came on.
By the way, why did Lennon take so long to bring him on?
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 23 Aug 12:50
Young isnt ready for the championship but when the club cannot get one championship level striker in the door they will have to keep playing him and hope it suddenly clicks.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 23 Aug 16:39
Poor touch, never made anything stick and offered us nothing to build on further up the pitch. Exactly the same as the Airdrie game where he fell over the ball unchallenged more than once. If the window closes and this is the guy we’re relying on to get us goals while Kane is out then we’re heading for mid table a long way off 4th.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Benny74
Date: Sat 23 Aug 21:24
There was a thread on here recently about the reason youngsters never made it at EEP in the past. First reason is they never got the opportunity. Now we have a few trying to come through. The other reason which puts managers off is the fan treatment of those youngsters. We have a few coming through now and it will result in yesterday’s score sometimes when playing youths. They are learning. For all rovers had the ball they did nothing with it first half and we were better second. If we stop these threads we might get more highs than lows.
Benny74
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Sat 23 Aug 21:36
Quote:
Benny74, Sat 23 Aug 21:24
There was a thread on here recently about the reason youngsters never made it at EEP in the past. First reason is they never got the opportunity. Now we have a few trying to come through. The other reason which puts managers off is the fan treatment of those youngsters. We have a few coming through now and it will result in yesterday’s score sometimes when playing youths. They are learning. For all rovers had the ball they did nothing with it first half and we were better second. If we stop these threads we might get more highs than lows.
Totally agree Benny and well said
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sat 23 Aug 21:55
Good comment.
We`ve gone down the road of more experience before, and what we ended up with (more than once), was a bunch of toxic has beens and perma crocks.
We`ve got a really good squad of youngsters (some we paid fees for) that we have actually targeted, they will make mistakes, some of them might not make the grade, but some already are.
We will add experience, this has been stated, but we will put some thought into it I`m sure.
This season I will be happy if we comfortably avoid relegation spots, push for a play off place-we have been fighting relegation/relegated for 4 years now! There`s a lot of transfer windows to make up for that.
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Topic Originator: DunPar
Date: Sat 23 Aug 23:16
Agree with the last 3 posts. The negativity in this forum certainly does nothing to help young players who happen to read it. We’re not going to have a better coaching setup than we have now, let’s give them every chance in succeeding in the development of a really young squad that contains more young prospects than we’ve had in a long time.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:56
Okay mullan had a bad one but it wasn’t the youngsters at fault for the defeat and performance on Friday, it was the more experienced members of the team who disappeared.
We’ve 2 players who are 23 in the next month who have had 3 seasons in our team and a 25 year old who just retreated into their shells yet again when the going got tough.
We’ve got some really promising youngsters coming in but we need to get better experienced pro’s alongside them.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Aug 09:04
Quote:
DunPar, Sat 23 Aug 23:16
Agree with the last 3 posts. The negativity in this forum certainly does nothing to help young players who happen to read it. We’re not going to have a better coaching setup than we have now, let’s give them every chance in succeeding in the development of a really young squad that contains more young prospects than we’ve had in a long time.
I actually think a few of the younger lads we’ve brought in do look solid. The worry for me is whether we end up going down the same road as before of chucking them in week after week and expecting them to kick on when in reality some of them are already at their level.
There’s got to be a balance. You can’t just play kids and hope you sell them for millions. You need to judge where their actual ceiling is and not get blinded by the fairytale of the local lad comes good. For every one that makes it, there’s hundreds probably thousands who don’t. Players finding their level isn`t a bad thing we saw that with chalmers will do a job in L1. Struggled with the lack of time on the ball in the championship.
It’s about blending them with experienced pros so they’re learning the right way. Judging if they are ready to play at that level and can cope with demands of championship football (John Tod). Spotting early whether they’re improving or have they found their limit ability wise.
Accepting that some are squad players at best is something I think we managed pretty well over the summer (Hamilton).
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Aug 09:06
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 24 Aug 08:56
Okay mullan had a bad one but it wasn’t the youngsters at fault for the defeat and performance on Friday, it was the more experienced members of the team who disappeared.
We’ve 2 players who are 23 in the next month who have had 3 seasons in our team and a 25 year old who just retreated into their shells yet again when the going got tough.
We’ve got some really promising youngsters coming in but we need to get better experienced pro’s alongside them.
I agree with everything you’re saying.
I think Connor Young is a decent young striker. We’re asking him to lead the line for us and he’s struggling a bit but as mentioned-he’s stepping up 2 divisions. To me, time in League 1 would be great for him but if we can’t get a couple of strikers in he’s going to be playing an active role for us.
And before it gets said again, he’s a step in front of both the Sutherlands at this moment in time. That’s not a knock on anyone, that’s just going by what I’ve seen.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 24 Aug 09:13
I think he has probably been brought in 6 months too early. He needs time to develop. I think given we are looking for a striker NL probably recognises that. Putting in young players too early can be counter productive. Particularly in a position where he will be judged on the number of goals he scores. He will come good, just needs time.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 24 Aug 09:22
Young defo has the potential, we just don’t move teams around enough to create any space for him and with a lack of support from midfield and the fact we never get in behind to get balls into the box it’s a hard shift for anyone up there.
Start doing that and the goals will come, he’s got the nouse and the instinct I reckon, just needs a goal.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Aug 10:08
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 24 Aug 09:22
Young defo has the potential, we just don’t move teams around enough to create any space for him and with a lack of support from midfield and the fact we never get in behind to get balls into the box it’s a hard shift for anyone up there.
Start doing that and the goals will come, he’s got the nouse and the instinct I reckon, just needs a goal.
The biggest disappointment for me was that nothing was sticking. Sometimes keeping the ball and gaining a bit of territory further up the field, while taking the pressure off the defence, can make a big difference. He struggled with his touch, which in turn made it impossible to get us up the park.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sun 24 Aug 10:11
He needs time to adapt to this level, he jumped up from League 2 into a really poor championship side that created very little in the way of chances and he`s now just turned 21. We`re a work in progress and I think he`ll really benefit from playing next to an experienced striker like Kane or hopefully whoever we manage to bring in before the end of the window.
The key part about this season as a whole is allowing these young guys to develop, I`ve seen enough from the new recruits that we`ve brought in that in general it`s an improvement over what we had previously. There will be more ups than we`ve seen in recent seasons I have no doubts about that, but we`ll also see the occasional performance like Friday night where some of them struggle against experienced pros and a big crowd watching on.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 24 Aug 10:31
Quote:
king lad, Sun 24 Aug 10:11
The key part about this season as a whole is allowing these young guys to develop, I`ve seen enough from the new recruits that we`ve brought in that in general it`s an improvement over what we had previously. There will be more ups than we`ve seen in recent seasons I have no doubts about that, but we`ll also see the occasional performance like Friday night where some of them struggle against experienced pros and a big crowd watching on.
And allowing them to develop means not playing them every week. Our squad is light in terms of experience and I think Lennon is being forced to play them? I’m sure he would like to take them out of the firing line, when appropriate?
Over to the board and the owners, but it’s now just a week of the window left. However it’s not something that’s not been known about for months.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sun 24 Aug 10:32)
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Topic Originator: usurpar
Date: Sun 24 Aug 10:31
The manager clearly felt that Connor wasn’t ready to lead the line, shown by his reticence to put him in the team during the League Cup matches. Unfortunately, with Chris Kane struggling, he has no real other option for the striker position. Andrew Tod has done extremely well as a ‘make-shift’ centre forward but that’s clearly not his position. Given that the majority of defenders in this league are experienced pros, they will use all their guile and less subtle abilities to unsettle any young striker so Connor has a very steep learning curve ahead. That’s why an experienced addition is so desperately needed, to fill the Kane role when he’s not available and assist Connor Young’s development into the top player I think he can be - given time!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 24 Aug 11:47
Did we not have "experience " in the squad, but the opinion was to punt them?🤔
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sun 24 Aug 12:10
Lochgelly, I think it’s obvious we need experienced players who are good enough to play at this level. The guys we punted were not that, hence the performances and results we saw last season.
Most of them are now playing at levels below us. MOH got a contract at Morton but I reckon they will be scrapping relegation this season. Wotherspoon and chalmers have dropped to league one. McCann still unsigned. Wighton and Breen lost a fair bit of what they had with persistent injury problems, they dropped a level and Wighton has now retired. Craig Clay is about the only one I could have made a decent argument for keeping and we have brought in Charlie Gilmour to fill that role, who has proved to be an upgrade.
We had to move on from these guys if we wanted to progress.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 24 Aug 12:17
I see where you’re coming from Cammy and his first touch was very poor on Friday which didn’t help and assume it’s a confidence issue too.
He’ll be better as a striker getting the ball facing the goal than the way we set up where our strikers only get near the ball 30 yards from goal and about 7 feet in the air!
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sun 24 Aug 12:36
"I think it’s obvious we need experienced players who are good enough to play at this level"
every side is looking for that but its slim pickings in terms of options and for us even with the supposed budget available, those players will get better offers than us.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Aug 14:19
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 24 Aug 11:47
Did we not have "experience " in the squad, but the opinion was to punt them?🤔
Who? Joe Chalmers? David Wotherspoon?
I think the were punted mainly because they were playing p15h 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Aug 14:21
Quote:
Never10yairds, Sun 24 Aug 12:10
Lochgelly, I think it’s obvious we need experienced players who are good enough to play at this level. The guys we punted were not that, hence the performances and results we saw last season.
Most of them are now playing at levels below us. MOH got a contract at Morton but I reckon they will be scrapping relegation this season. Wotherspoon and chalmers have dropped to league one. McCann still unsigned. Wighton and Breen lost a fair bit of what they had with persistent injury problems, they dropped a level and Wighton has now retired. Craig Clay is about the only one I could have made a decent argument for keeping and we have brought in Charlie Gilmour to fill that role, who has proved to be an upgrade.
We had to move on from these guys if we wanted to progress.
☝🏻 perfectly said
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 24 Aug 14:26
Quote:
Berkey, Sun 24 Aug 12:17
I see where you’re coming from Cammy and his first touch was very poor on Friday which didn’t help and assume it’s a confidence issue too.
He’ll be better as a striker getting the ball facing the goal than the way we set up where our strikers only get near the ball 30 yards from goal and about 7 feet in the air!
There’s a big difference in receiving the ball with back to goal rather than running onto it.
Brewster - back to goal, control and pass, flick on to team mate running etc
Crawford - running onto it, good pace and decent finishing
We’re short of the Brewster type. Brian Graham would have been ideal but he fancied a shot at the premier league 🤷🏻♂️ i can’t think
Of too many others but I don’t think MacKenzie Kirk is that type of player either in fairness
COYP
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 24 Aug 14:39
In forward positions you have to create space, running through channels and turn defenders. We are too static sometimes. If you get into the final third for me its about the delivery into the box at the right height, the right pace and the right area. We surely don`t have to go wide all the time and then give it away. You may as well just get it into the box. At leasttgat way you are pressuring the defence and imposing yourself on the game. Too much emphasis on knocking the ball around in meaningless areas in football generally these days.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 24 Aug 15:00
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 24 Aug 14:19
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 24 Aug 11:47
Did we not have "experience " in the squad, but the opinion was to punt them?🤔
Who? Joe Chalmers? David Wotherspoon?
I think the were punted mainly because they were playing p15h 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah we`ll just dream on about finding these "experienced" players, maybe Messi will become available soon?
Then again he`s probably too old!🤔
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sun 24 Aug 15:03
Fridays game was a bit like pinball, with Raith dominating the first half in particular.
I rate Connor , he does have positional sense and some good instinct, even though he had a poor game, and still has a bit to go.
He`s still here for 2 seasons, so there`s a bit of work to go.
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Sun 24 Aug 15:05
I for one am confident Connor will come good. With game time at this level and an experienced head alongside him, I`m sure we`ll see the goals start to come.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 24 Aug 23:03
When your striker isn’t winning the first ball or making it stick, you have to win the 2nd ball - we didn’t win any of them, which ultimately stopped us from creating more chances in the final third.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 25 Aug 22:54
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 24 Aug 15:00
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 24 Aug 14:19
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 24 Aug 11:47
Did we not have "experience " in the squad, but the opinion was to punt them?🤔
Who? Joe Chalmers? David Wotherspoon?
I think the were punted mainly because they were playing p15h 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah we`ll just dream on about finding these "experienced" players, maybe Messi will become available soon?
Then again he`s probably too old!🤔
Is that a counter argument? I never said anything about someone being too old, I said they were p15h. 🤷🏻♂️
Why would you want to retain players who got us relegated and or nearly relegated… some nearly relegated twice? Did you enjoy watching us struggle?
COYP
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