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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 25 Aug 12:48
The squad for the away games in Denmark and Belarus on 5 and 8 September is -
Goalkeepers: Clark (Heart of Midlothian), Gunn (Nottingham Forest), Kelly (Rangers)
Defenders: Hanley (Hibernian), Hendry (Al-Etiffaq), Hickey (Brentford), Hyam (Blackburn Rovers), Johnston (Sturm Graz), McKenna (Dinamo Zagreb), Ralston (Celtic), Robertson (Liverpool), Souttar (Rangers), Tierney (Celtic)
Midfielders: Christie (Bournemouth), Ferguson (Bologna), Gannon Doak (Bournemouth), Gilmour (Napoli), McGinn (Aston Villa), McLean (Norwich City), McTominay (Napoli), Miller (Udinese)
Forwards: Adams (Torino), Bowie (Hibernian), Dykes (Birmingham City), Hirst (Ipswich Town)
Notable absentees are Middlesbrough striker Tommy Conway, Greg Taylor, Josh Doig, James Wilson, Nathan Patterson and Ryan Porteous.
Ben Doak seems to have acquired an additional surname!
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Mon 25 Aug 12:53
Usual predictable squad. Ben chose the added name when he moved to Bournemouth
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 25 Aug 12:55
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 25 Aug 12:48
Ben Doak seems to have acquired an additional surname!
No, that has always been his name, reflecting both his parents names....
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 25 Aug 13:00
Fair enough, but this is the first time I`ve seen it.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Mon 25 Aug 13:08
Why McLean? I’d have had mulligan in there.
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Topic Originator: Alf
Date: Mon 25 Aug 13:14
No Shankland
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 25 Aug 15:23
Quote:
Alf, Mon 25 Aug 13:14
No Shankland
Its fine, we have Lyndon Dykes and George Hirst 🙄
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Mon 25 Aug 15:33
in fairness Shankland as a lone striker offers zero mobility. Would like to see bowie given a run but can imagine a simialr line up to croatia with Dykes as a hold up player for the game in Copenhagen.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 25 Aug 16:13
Shankland has nobody to blame but himself. He’s carrying too much timber.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: broontroot
Date: Mon 25 Aug 18:16
None of the goalkeepers fill me with confidence
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 25 Aug 18:35
Quote:
broontroot, Mon 25 Aug 18:16
None of the goalkeepers fill me with confidence
We could maybe put Shankland in goals, but I agree with you. We are so weak for goalkeepers and good strikers.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Mon 25 Aug 18:36)
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Tue 26 Aug 04:06
Only 4 players from the 2 Glasgow clubs — is that a record low?
4 players from Serie A.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Tue 26 Aug 07:58
Nobody seen Shankland this season? Looks like he`s lost a power of weight
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Tue 26 Aug 10:02
Jeremiah Mullen called up for the 21s
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Tue 26 Aug 10:24
Congratulations to the boy and all that but I assume the coaches/manager don’t actually watch games then and just call up the same players every camp?
Post Edited (Tue 26 Aug 10:25)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 26 Aug 10:27
If that were the case, what do they base their original selection on?
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Tue 26 Aug 10:38
On current form you’d select him for international duty?
It’s the same as Ralston, rarely gets a game for Celtic but always gets called up.
Post Edited (Tue 26 Aug 10:39)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 26 Aug 10:48
Presumably they`re considered the best options we have. Have you seen all the other options?
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Tue 26 Aug 10:53
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Tue 26 Aug 10:38
On current form you’d select him for international duty?
It’s the same as Ralston, rarely gets a game for Celtic but always gets called up.
Ralston was solid at the weekend. Decent going forward, steing defensively. Seems an all round decent squad option for me
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Tue 26 Aug 11:04
Best of a bad bunch then wee eck.
He may well have done, don’t watch Celtic games but know he doesn’t play much. I just don’t think he should be anywhere near the Scotland squad.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Tue 26 Aug 11:10
He might get a bit of game time as their regular right back Alistair Johnston is out for 12 weeks.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 26 Aug 13:32
Quote:
Connor560, Tue 26 Aug 10:53
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Tue 26 Aug 10:38
On current form you’d select him for international duty?
It’s the same as Ralston, rarely gets a game for Celtic but always gets called up.
Ralston was solid at the weekend. Decent going forward, steing defensively. Seems an all round decent squad option for me
Do we really need 3 right backs though? 🤔 if not, then why call up Hickey? Because Ralston would be 3rd choice of the 3 called up Id say.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Tue 26 Aug 13:42
Yep 3 RBs is pointless.
Would rather of had Shankland in as another option up top.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 26 Aug 14:20
We`re playing 2 games in 3 days. Hickey has just come back from nearly 2 years out injured and has only made 2 appearances as a sub for his club. SC has said he`ll have to be eased back gently. As you said, Ralston isn`t a regular starter for Celtic. Johnston seems to be in the process of negotiating a switch from Austria to Derby. All things considered I would have thought 3 right backs in the squad was sensible.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Tue 26 Aug 15:14
Hickey can cover left or right in the event of injury etc so makes sense. Tierney not playing more than 70mins at club level so will need someone to cover left back latein the game
Ralston is very limited in footballing ability but would absolutley run through walls for you.
some big descisions to be made about key positions. Mcginn been "off it" last few internations, still trying to play Christie in an advanced role when stats wise at Bournemouth he is thriving in a deeper role. Squeezing "names" into the team regardless of how that then works positionally, Miller with a strong showing in his outing last time, ferguson thriving domestically without getting much of a look in his favoured role for the national side.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 27 Aug 08:39
Quote:
Connor560, Tue 26 Aug 10:53
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Tue 26 Aug 10:38
On current form you’d select him for international duty?
It’s the same as Ralston, rarely gets a game for Celtic but always gets called up.
Ralston was solid at the weekend. Decent going forward, steing defensively. Seems an all round decent squad option for me
After what I saw last night, Ralston 😬
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 4 Sep 14:10
Kieran Tierney and Anthony Ralston have withdrawn from the Scotland squad for the opening World Cup qualifiers in Denmark and Belarus, with Josh Doig called up as cover.
Both Celtic defenders played for Brendan Rodgers` side in Sunday`s 0-0 draw at Rangers, although Ralston appeared to suffer a knock in the Champions League play-off defeat by Kairat Almaty four days before that.
Tierney, capped 50 times, has yet to play 90 minutes in six outings this season.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 4 Sep 14:48
I see the Denmark match is on BBC2 as well as BBC Scotland and studio coverage will be fronted by Kelly Cates. not sure if that`s also the case for the Belarus game.
There`s an interesting 20-minute interview of Steve Clarke by Kelly Cates available on the BBC iplayer.
Post Edited (Thu 04 Sep 14:54)
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Thu 4 Sep 15:39
The Denmark game is getting broadcast over the UK on BBC2 , where as the Belarus game is on BBC Scotland .
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 4 Sep 16:21
Maybe KC will only be fronting the BBC2 coverage then with Steven Thompson or Jonathan Sutherland doing it on BBC Scotland!
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Thu 4 Sep 16:48
These matches terrify me, I`m worried about our momentum. Not many players outside of McTominay hit the ground running and hell will freeze over before he starts Bowie out the blue.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 4 Sep 16:57
I thought about going to Denmark for Friday’s match but my chance of a ticket for the match itself was gone weeks ago. I need to be better organised.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Thu 4 Sep 17:02
I`m in Belarus at present, and I`m slightly worried about our team also , instead of shoehorning players into an alien role play them in the roles they excel at their clubs ! Away from football Belarus nice cheap country, wine is 2euro , vodka around 4 euro , food cheap too lol
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Thu 4 Sep 17:24
Quote:
wulliepar57, Thu 4 Sep 17:02
I`m in Belarus at present, and I`m slightly worried about our team also , instead of shoehorning players into an alien role play them in the roles they excel at their clubs ! Away from football Belarus nice cheap country, wine is 2euro , vodka around 4 euro , food cheap too lol
Pity the game is in Hungary due to UEFA sanctions
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Thu 4 Sep 17:25
And being played behind closed doors!
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 4 Sep 17:42
Somebody tell wullie!
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Thu 4 Sep 17:53
All ok eck and co ! I know the game is in Hungary which is a shame where politics intervene, if the game had been in minsk and anyone going to Belarus would have been treated with respect, the people are lovely and friendly, I am having a great time here , tasty food and drink if it costs £10 back home it`s around £3 here in minsk wish my pound went as far back ! Back to football was talking to many people here and they fancy their chances as they say our biggest weak spot is goalkeeper and our lack of scoring goals , unfortunately I had to agree with them to a certain degree, the only problem here is the feckin mosquito, they love us scots lol,
Post Edited (Thu 04 Sep 18:02)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 4 Sep 21:01
Don`t understand the sanctions, was in Turkey in July and resort was full of Russian folk, Antalya airport had big Aeroflot airliners on the tarmac.
Have to say the security was something else!
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Fri 5 Sep 00:11
Sadly same players in the same team, play ok and lose, why because ckarke admitted thats how he plays them
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Fri 5 Sep 10:24
Is it me or is there less and less media surrounding Scotland games these days??
Quick search on YouTube and what have you, where are the managers thoughts before the game or the players interviews and press conferences?? There just seems to be a decline in pre-match build ups from camps, or reactions afterwards and I’m not sure why.
I really wish I shared people’s optimism on this game, but truthfully, I’m fearing the worst. I’m inclined to predict a fairly comfortable loss tonight.
I just don’t have faith in Clarke anymore. I don’t believe we’re capable of executing a game plan that will undo a team like this, even with the quality we have in midfield. And to be brutally honest, I’ve lost faith in some of our biggest names turning up when it really matters.
For me the relentless energy and drive that made McGinn such a key player for us just hasn’t been there, for a few campaigns now. We all love him, of course we do, but it feels like he’s been living off past glories a bit. He’s not the only one. I’d say the same about Adams, Christie, Dykes, and maybe even Robertson. It’s a worrying trend.
The goalkeeper situation is concerning, but that’s not a new problem. I expect Gunn will start, but his move to Forest hasn’t helped him long-term. There doesn’t seem to be an obvious replacement for Gordon, at least not from the domestic based players. I did notice with interest that Hearts just brought in a new keeper, perhaps that’s telling in itself and 2 of our 3 picks will be 2nd and 3rd at Hearts.
At the end of the day, we’ve got what we’ve got, and we’ll give it our best shot. But I honestly don’t think it’ll be enough. With a busted flush in charge, I just can’t see us pulling a rabbit out the hat this time.
Really hope I’m wrong. And to those heading out, hope you enjoy the trip regardless.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 5 Sep 11:26
Clarke should be sacked on Tuesday when we will be lucky to have one point from the first two games…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Fri 5 Sep 11:39
Quote:
desparado, Fri 5 Sep 11:26
Clarke should be sacked on Tuesday when we will be lucky to have one point from the first two games…
That’s the spirit 💪
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 5 Sep 13:09
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Thu 4 Sep 16:48
These matches terrify me, I`m worried about our momentum. Not many players outside of McTominay hit the ground running and hell will freeze over before he starts Bowie out the blue.
I wouldn’t start Bowie against Denmark. I like Bowie but his form can be patchy and the likelihood is away to Denmark is going to be physically and mentally demanding on a lone striker. Better with an experienced man on and perhaps Bowie trying to make an impact later.
Need to remember they’re likely to Start Andreas Christianson, Simon Kjaer and Jannik Vestergaard. It wouldn’t be fair to ask Bowie to battle with them 3 for however long-if it doesn’t go his way it could damage his confidence
COYP
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Topic Originator: Turps
Date: Fri 5 Sep 13:22
Bowie isn`t exactly lightweight. I`d 100% start him tonight.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Fri 5 Sep 13:47
There is significantly less media these days. Its how Clarke was able to hide after the Euros, then bark at the reporter a few months later at the next game when he dared ask a question about it. That was the extent of the public post-mortem.
Still the most important thing is he gets his shot at qualifying for a World Cup.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 5 Sep 13:48
That`s a good point NMCMassive. I just feel we`re chronically short of players who are in form and/or getting enough time.
You look outside McTominay and it`s tricky. Gilmour isn`t starting, Ferguson doesn`t appear to be first pick any more, Doak is working his way into the Bournemouth set up, Villa have started pretty badly etc.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Fri 5 Sep 13:52
Wish SC would ditch the defensive football and stick two strikers on.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 5 Sep 14:38
Bowie should 100% start tonight. Deserves it.
What will happen though is he will start with Hanley, Mclean and Adams, will be 1 up top and defensive to come away with a draw. Dunno who will start in goals, none of them ooze confidence.
Some of our big names need to show it tonight - Robertson and McGinn have been posted missing for the good part of a year at least at international level.
Id be happy with 2 points from these games, let alone 6, just cant see us getting any worryingly. Clarke should have gone post Euros, he’s hung on through odd results here and there, but start this campaign with 2 defeats and his position has to be untenable.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 5 Sep 15:49
Would like to see Dykes and Bowie start.
Dykes as the target man and allowing Bowie to play off him.
We really should be just going for it tonight but I suspect we’ll do what we always do and sit back hoping they don’t score.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 5 Sep 16:00
Mullen starts for the U21s
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 5 Sep 18:33
Quote:
Never10yairds, Fri 5 Sept 13:52
Wish SC would ditch the defensive football and stick two strikers on.
You`ve got your wish:
Gunn
Robertson
Hanley
Souttar
Hickey
McGinn
Christie
McTominay
Ferguson
Dykes
Adams
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Fri 5 Sep 18:48
I’d have had Doak and Bowie in from the start.
Post Edited (Fri 05 Sep 18:48)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Sep 19:01
A. Gunn
A. Robertson (c), Captain
G. Hanley,
J. Souttar
A. Hickey
S. McTominay
L. Ferguson
J. McGinn
C. Adams
R. Christie
L. Dykes
Subs
K. Bowie
Z. Clark
J. Doig
B. Gannon-Doak
B. Gilmour
J. Hendry
G. Hirst
M. Johnston
L. Kelly
S. McKenna
K. McLean
L. Miller
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Fri 5 Sep 19:05
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 5 Sep 19:01
A. Gunn
A. Robertson (c), Captain
G. Hanley,
J. Souttar
A. Hickey
S. McTominay
L. Ferguson
J. McGinn
C. Adams
R. Christie
L. Dykes
Subs
K. Bowie
Z. Clark
J. Doig
B. Gannon-Doak
B. Gilmour
J. Hendry
G. Hirst
M. Johnston
L. Kelly
S. McKenna
K. McLean
L. Miller
That’s a bit of a surprise, 4-4-2 and Dykes starting. Didn’t see that coming
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Fri 5 Sep 19:06
Unsurprised by Clarke not starting Gannon-Doak and Bowie.
Gilmour would be one of the first names in the lineup for me though. He`s so good at retaining the ball
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 5 Sep 19:06
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Fri 5 Sept 19:05
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 5 Sep 19:01
A. Gunn
A. Robertson (c), Captain
G. Hanley,
J. Souttar
A. Hickey
S. McTominay
L. Ferguson
J. McGinn
C. Adams
R. Christie
L. Dykes
Subs
K. Bowie
Z. Clark
J. Doig
B. Gannon-Doak
B. Gilmour
J. Hendry
G. Hirst
M. Johnston
L. Kelly
S. McKenna
K. McLean
L. Miller
That’s a bit of a surprise, 4-4-2 and Dykes starting. Didn’t see that coming
Probably something mental like Adams at right wing back 😂
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 5 Sep 19:09
Gunn, Hickey , Hanley and Dykes have hardly kicked a ball between them this season.
4-0
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 5 Sep 19:12
Very poor starting eleven.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Fri 5 Sep 19:16
Quote:
desparado, Fri 5 Sep 19:09
Gunn, Hickey , Hanley and Dykes have hardly kicked a ball between them this season.
4-0
This is the kind of thing that a club manager does when he has run out of ideas and is reverting to the tried and tested before being inevitably sacked. Hope for our and Clarke’s sake it works……time will tell.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 5 Sep 19:24
Quote:
desparado, Fri 5 Sep 19:09
Gunn, Hickey , Hanley and Dykes have hardly kicked a ball between them this season.
4-0
They barely kicked a ball between them last season either 🙄 will be well off the pace tonight
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 5 Sep 19:39
Mon Scotland 🏴! Getintaethum!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 5 Sep 19:50
Greece 1-0 Belarus
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 5 Sep 20:03
I don`t see what difference a new manager would do. We`re just going through an unfortunate era of average players. If we scrape a nil nil I`d be astonished, can`t see where a goal would come from except fae a set piece header.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 5 Sep 20:08
Greece 3-0 Belarus
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 5 Sep 20:14
Game is there for the taking and we are probably doing a lot of things right in playing it like a typical UK match as history shows are usual against Scandinavian countries.
We really could do with Ben Noakes on the pitch to rile them up a bit though.
Denmark nothing special.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 5 Sep 20:17
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Fri 5 Sep 20:03
I don`t see what difference a new manager would do. We`re just going through an unfortunate era of average players. If we scrape a nil nil I`d be astonished, can`t see where a goal would come from except fae a set piece header.
No being funny but you coming to that conclusion is absolutely wild to me
COYP
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 5 Sep 20:20
Quote:
NMCmassive, Fri 5 Sep 20:17
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Fri 5 Sep 20:03
I don`t see what difference a new manager would do. We`re just going through an unfortunate era of average players. If we scrape a nil nil I`d be astonished, can`t see where a goal would come from except fae a set piece header.
No being funny but you coming to that conclusion is absolutely wild to me
About a new manager? It’s a correct assumption tbh
Yes Clark is stubborn and loyal but for the players we have available that really isn’t a bad thing.
They will run through brick walls for him for that loyalty.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 5 Sep 20:22
Greece 4-0 Belarus
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Fri 5 Sep 20:35
Gotta admit, we’ve been better than I thought we were gonna be….not great, but better!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Sep 20:45
McTominay can`t seem to get into the game. Christie and Hickey on bookings are a bit of a risk. Doak has to come on some time.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Fri 5 Sep 20:48
Quote:
desparado, Fri 5 Sep 19:09
Gunn, Hickey , Hanley and Dykes have hardly kicked a ball between them this season.
4-0
Andy Robertson hardly kicked a ball either this season, I`d love to see your team without all these players who haven`t played.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:01
Jeeezo
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:03
Hickey is making a massive difference to the team
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:07
Thought that was in. Ooft
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:09
Why are Adams and Dykes so absolutely garbage .
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:11
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Fri 5 Sep 20:20
Quote:
NMCmassive, Fri 5 Sep 20:17
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kozmasrightfoot, Fri 5 Sep 20:03
I don`t see what difference a new manager would do. We`re just going through an unfortunate era of average players. If we scrape a nil nil I`d be astonished, can`t see where a goal would come from except fae a set piece header.
No being funny but you coming to that conclusion is absolutely wild to me
About a new manager? It’s a correct assumption tbh
Yes Clark is stubborn and loyal but for the players we have available that really isn’t a bad thing.
They will run through brick walls for him for that loyalty.
“Going through an unfortunate era of average players”
Average compared to when? The 70’s? 80’s?
It’s certainly a better group of players than we had in 90’s, 00’s and 10’s
Aye we’re short in a couple of positions but we’re a small country
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:12
Hickey, outstanding tonight. What a player
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:22
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Big T Par, Fri 5 Sep 21:12
Hickey, outstanding tonight. What a player
Agreed mate. Defence was key tonight and he was brilliant.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:24
I’d have had dykes off 5 mins ago, I understand why he started with them but the give the subs a chance to make an impact 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: AveragePar
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:28
really want this group to excel but steve clarke is shooting us in the foot
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:31
Might have been offside but fair play to Gunn for the double save
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:38
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AveragePar, Fri 5 Sept 21:28
really want this group to excel but steve clarke is shooting us in the foot
What has Clarke done wrong tonight?
Away against top seeds and getting a point. That`s a great result.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:41
It`s a great result and we didn`t really get lucky either. They looked like a pretty well coached side to me.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:42
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DBA, Fri 5 Sep 21:38
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AveragePar, Fri 5 Sept 21:28
really want this group to excel but steve clarke is shooting us in the foot
What has Clarke done wrong tonight?
Away against top seeds and getting a point. That`s a great result.
I actually agree.
He seems to sh17 the bed at tournaments but in the qualifiers etc Steve Clarke has rarely put a foot wrong.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:42
I think it`s fair to say Steve Clarke got his selection and shape spot on. I must say I expected more of Denmark given their home record - lots of aimless crosses.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:42
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DA-go Par Adonis, Fri 5 Sept 21:41
It`s a great result and we didn`t really get lucky either. They looked like a pretty well coached side to me.
Yeah we look really really tight and well coached but I reckon the subs should have been fifteen minutes earlier.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:44
Generally a good performance. Great point.
I’m actually a bit disappointed with Hirst. Felt like he could have worked harder, he was far too passive.
Anyway, take the point-Belarus on Monday. Need the 3 points there
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:47
Great result and a point too.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:50
Heaps the pressure on Denmark too for the Greece game. We win in Belarus and it`s a great start.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:52
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desparado, Fri 5 Sept 19:09
Gunn, Hickey , Hanley and Dykes have hardly kicked a ball between them this season.
4-0
How`d that work out for you?
Hickey MotM. Hanley and Dykes did well too.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:52
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Post Edited (Fri 05 Sep 21:55)
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:56
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wee eck, Fri 5 Sep 21:42
I think it`s fair to say Steve Clarke got his selection and shape spot on. I must say I expected more of Denmark given their home record - lots of aimless crosses.
Yeah, I’ll put my hand up and say I got it wrong. Good point tonight and a good performance from the players involved.
Happy Scot 🏴
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:56
Good point away from home to the top seeds.
Subs came a little too late and sat too deep for last 20 mins but overall I’m happy with that.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Fri 5 Sep 22:03
Hanley my MOTM tonight by the way. Thought he was a rock at that back!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Sep 22:03
Plaudits to the BBC for keeping the normal commentators and pundits for the UK and Scottish coverage but bringing in Kelly Cates to add a wee bit of professionalism.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 5 Sep 22:10
Topic Originator: DBA like
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:52
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desparado, Fri 5 Sept 19:09
Gunn, Hickey , Hanley and Dykes have hardly kicked a ball between them this season.
4-0
How`d that work out for you?
Hickey MotM. Hanley and Dykes did well too.
I never did win much on the fixed odds….. lol.
Decent performance considering half the team have not had many minutes with their respective clubs. If only we had a striker worthy of the name. Christie and Dykes should both have scored and there were a few other openings that we did not exploit.
Belarus will be right up for it on Monday after there thumping tonight. Our players will be cream crackered. Can only see one outcome. 4-0
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 5 Sep 22:18
Is Clark our longest serving manager
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 5 Sep 22:23
I thought it was a very good away performance against a team ranked much higher.
Credit where it’s due.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Sep 22:28
The FIFA rankings in our group are Denmark 21, Greece 39, Scotland 47, Belarus 97.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 5 Sep 22:32
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Raymie the Legend, Fri 5 Sep 22:23
I thought it was a very good away performance against a team ranked much higher.
Credit where it’s due.
Agree ,
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 5 Sep 22:44
Everyone says this was a great point away to the top seeds etc and yes going by FIFA rankings they are, but Greece are the best team in the section IMO and even if they weren`t this was still a missed opportunity. Hirst or Bowie should have replaced Dykes when Max Johnstone came on as the big man was knackered long before then. Gannon-Doak should have been on about 10 minutes earlier too. The typical Conservative Clarke subs of lack thereof cost us the chance of a win as Denmark were there for the taking. He`ll say it`s job done and if you`re target is second place and a play off it probably is a good result in isolation but if we had any pretentions about winning the group then it`s a chance gone IMO.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 5 Sep 22:51
To any posters that don`t know how to deal with derisory comments aimed at them, I impart upon you some wisdom.
As you can see above, another poster has had a sly dig at me, this is how to deal with similar situations that you find yourself in.
Don`t react, respond. Respond by ignoring the comment as really, it`s foolhardy to get enraged by an Internet presence that is in essence, anonymous. It`s nothing to get upset about. Just simply log off, laugh it off, and move on with your life. Be the bigger anonymous Internet user by wishing the offending user nothing but good fortune.
Nmcmassive, have a lovely evening sir/madam 😃. Same sentiment to all other dot.net users.
Pars fan.
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Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sat 6 Sep 00:12
I agree Denmark`s ranking hasn`t caught up with where they are now. Much like the Czech Republic at the Euros, Clarke acted like we were dealing with Denmark of 10 years ago.
Greece for me are better, but are definitely there for the taking. They have a couple of top players, but the rest are no great shakes compared to what we have available.
Post Edited (Sat 06 Sep 00:12)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 6 Sep 04:34
Thing is, if we lose on Monday, we are going to be in real trouble. He needs to go out and attack Belarus and come back with a 2-3 goal win.
Yet again he sat in when the game was there for the taking, waiting far too long to bring on impact subs - Johnston was only brought on as Hickey should have been sent off.
Dykes fluffing his lines when in on goal shows just how bad our front pairing are - Adams was barely in the game.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 6 Sep 08:39
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Dave_1885, Sat 6 Sept 04:34
Thing is, if we lose on Monday, we are going to be in real trouble. He needs to go out and attack Belarus and come back with a 2-3 goal win.
Yet again he sat in when the game was there for the taking, waiting far too long to bring on impact subs - Johnston was only brought on as Hickey should have been sent off.
Dykes fluffing his lines when in on goal shows just how bad our front pairing are - Adams was barely in the game.
That`s the spirit. Draw against top seeds away remember.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 6 Sep 08:41
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doctordandruff, Sat 6 Sept 00:12
I agree Denmark`s ranking hasn`t caught up with where they are now. Much like the Czech Republic at the Euros, Clarke acted like we were dealing with Denmark of 10 years ago.
I don`t think there`s been a time in the last 40 years when a point away at Denmark wouldn`t have been regarded as a really good result for Scotland.
Greece may well be the best side in the group but I bet they would also take a draw in Copenhagen if it was offered to them.
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Post Edited (Sat 06 Sep 08:43)
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 6 Sep 08:57
See this is another annoyance. "Would have taken a point if offered" and all that garbage. OK before a ball is kicked that is fine, but during and after the game surely you reassess? Motherwell would have taken a point if offered before the game at Tynecastle but when they went 3-0 up they`d have been gutted not to win. Denmark showed that they were no great shakes and were there for the taking. We`ve played better teams than them in our Nations League group and got results - getting points from the better sides isn`t always a problem for Scotland. Most will remember a campaign where we beat the top seeds home and away (France, both 1-0) but still failed to qualify. If we win on Monday and the other game finishes in a draw then it`s a good start to be sure, but it could have been better and there`s a long way to go.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sat 6 Sep 09:14
Happy with the point. No idea how Che (nae goals) Adams gets starts every game. Have said it for ages tbh.
Agree I think changes could have been made earlier but deffo take an away point at the top seeds.
Sneak a win on Monday and thats a very good return from the away openers.
Mon Scotland 🏴😎👏🏼
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 6 Sep 09:26
It`s easy to say after a draw that we could have won if we had been a wee bit more adventurous but it could just as easily have gone the other way if we had played more openly and maybe given Denmark more space and time. Playing away from home against decent teams you usually need to defend well to get anything from the game and that`s what we did.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 6 Sep 09:27
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SusieQ, Sat 6 Sep 09:14
Happy with the point. No idea how Che (nae goals) Adams gets starts every game. Have said it for ages tbh.
Agree I think changes could have been made earlier but deffo take an away point at the top seeds.
Sneak a win on Monday and thats a very good return from the away openers.
Mon Scotland 🏴😎👏🏼
Didn’t he score a hat trick in his last game though?
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sat 6 Sep 09:35
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kelty_par, Sat 6 Sep 08:57
See this is another annoyance. "Would have taken a point if offered" and all that garbage. OK before a ball is kicked that is fine, but during and after the game surely you reassess? Motherwell would have taken a point if offered before the game at Tynecastle but when they went 3-0 up they`d have been gutted not to win. Denmark showed that they were no great shakes and were there for the taking. We`ve played better teams than them in our Nations League group and got results - getting points from the better sides isn`t always a problem for Scotland. Most will remember a campaign where we beat the top seeds home and away (France, both 1-0) but still failed to qualify. If we win on Monday and the other game finishes in a draw then it`s a good start to be sure, but it could have been better and there`s a long way to go.
I’m with you on this.
It was a good point away from home before the game but there is the same frustration that has been there for a while with trying to win the game rather than not lose.
Sick reading Dykes and Adams work hard. That’s the least a professional player should do. Need to give guys a chance that are scoring and playing games. He said Doak hadn’t played enough minutes to start last night. You could go through the team and stick half a dozen in that bracket. Should’ve walked after the Euros.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 6 Sep 09:37
Would`ve been damaging to lose, would`ve been great to win but I think it could`ve gone either way. Denmark felt quite similar to Scotland in many ways, some decent players especially in midfield but lacked real quality in the final third.
The key thing now is to take care of Belarus, I hope Clarke plays a more attacking team and gets an early goal to settle them down. Haven`t seen anything from Hirst in a Scotland game, would quite fancy seeing Bowie making an appearance on Monday off the bench instead.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sat 6 Sep 09:41
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AdamAntsParsStripe, Sat 6 Sept 09:27
Didn’t he score a hat trick in his last game though?
In a friendly against mighty Liechtenstein.
When was the last time he scored in a qualifier / Euros / Nations League?
Genuinely struggling to remember!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 6 Sep 10:05
Adams suffers from the same problem our strikers have suffered from for the last few years - he doesn`t get many clear-cut chances. Scoring three against Liechtenstein is better than NOT scoring against Liechtenstein.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 6 Sep 10:06
Denmark were still the better side and had the lion`s share of possession.
However, we arguably should have nicked a goal from either Christie`s or Dykes` chance - and then there was McTominay`s attempt that he made for himself and Robertson`s cross that was begging for someone to attack. It wasn`t the way we were set up that cost us, we were just not clinical in front of goal.
If we`d opened up late on, thinking the Danes were no great shakes, and lost a goal, there would be no-one on here going into bat for Clarke. He`d have been either naive for chasing it when he didn`t need to (in a 6 game group where the magnitude of each result is amplified) and/or he would be seen to have cracked under the criticism of his style by changing his plan to pander to others.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 6 Sep 10:41
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SusieQ, Sat 6 Sep 09:41
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AdamAntsParsStripe, Sat 6 Sept 09:27
Didn’t he score a hat trick in his last game though?
In a friendly against mighty Liechtenstein.
When was the last time he scored in a qualifier / Euros / Nations League?
Genuinely struggling to remember!
I do actually agree with you. I thought Bowie should have started with Dykes but it was never going to happen. I’m sure he’ll get a run out on Monday along with Doak.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 6 Sep 10:45
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wee eck, Fri 5 Sep 22:03
Plaudits to the BBC for keeping the normal commentators and pundits for the UK and Scottish coverage but bringing in Kelly Cates to add a wee bit of professionalism.
I get your point but I also surely there’s someone up here that could also have done it? 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 6 Sep 10:51
Can t help but think it’s a common trend throughout my 30 odd years of watching the national team. We always seem to overlook the inform striker. Now I’m not saying they are always necessarily better than the guy who starts in front of them, but if that Dykes chances falls to someone sharp, and on fire, like Bowie…then I’m putting money on them scoring or making the Goalkeeper having to pull off a good save to stop it.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 6 Sep 11:02
I think we can acknowledge that the English have a history of destroying their own talented youth by throwing them in to early after hyping them up. Across all sports, Theo Walcott, Francis Jeffers off the top of my head (Mathew Tait and Marcus Smith for all the rugby fans) but I’m certain you could add to the list. I think Steve Clarke is doing the right thing with Bowie. He’s getting exposed to international football without being put in a position to fail. He’s young, if he had a rough 75minutes when he walks off, he’s questioning himself and whether or not he’s good enough. Think of it like a young boxer, you know he’s talented enough but instead of just throwing him in front of a world champ you pick his battles, pick the right opponents and build him up so that when he is in front of a world champ, he’s got the tools to deal with it.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sat 6 Sep 16:29
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Buster_Brown, Sat 6 Sep 10:51
Can t help but think it’s a common trend throughout my 30 odd years of watching the national team. We always seem to overlook the inform striker. Now I’m not saying they are always necessarily better than the guy who starts in front of them, but if that Dykes chances falls to someone sharp, and on fire, like Bowie…then I’m putting money on them scoring or making the Goalkeeper having to pull off a good save to stop it.
Absolutely, Burley refusing to play Boyd against Norway when he was the best goalscorer Scotland had, and pumped for Iwelumo instead.....still hurts
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