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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 22 Sep 16:18
I hope they do too
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Mon 22 Sep 16:29
Should have done it yonks ago.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 22 Sep 16:47
Not before time. Russia and Belarus were kicked out straight away after the invasion of Ukraine, while Israel has been allowed to carry on playing. I know the circumstances are different but innocent people are starving and dying as a result of Israel`s determination to kill every last Palestinian in case they`re members of Hamas.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 22 Sep 16:56
Absolute rats, get them out the competition.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 22 Sep 17:18
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
They LITERALLY aren’t. They are supporting humanity. There is nothing humane about what Israel are doing to normal Gazans. And those within the West Bank too.
Disgrace they have been allowed to continue as it is anyway.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Mon 22 Sep 17:23
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
Says the genocide supporting Donald trump fanboi away back under your rock mate
Post Edited (Mon 22 Sep 20:20)
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Mon 22 Sep 17:33
Quote:
Back_oh_the_net, Mon 22 Sept 17:23
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
Says the genocide Donald trump fanboi away back under your rock mate
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Mon 22 Sep 17:38
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
Genocide apologist
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 22 Sep 18:01
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
That’s to easy a headline to make. It doesn’t include for a whole lot of nuance.
Israel and Palestine both have hands coated in blood. Both populations are as bad as each other in their determination to kill each other. It’s a disgusting situation all round and to be perfectly honest I don’t think we should see teams representing Israel or Palestine at anything until a peaceful solution is found.
COYP
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 22 Sep 18:02
In years gone past, I never supported these actions against teams as I separated politics from sport and felt it unfair on the sportspeople involved whether it was Israel, Iran, Russia or whoever was involved in conflict but this time feels much different.
There is a systematic cleansing of a race of people not witnessed since WW2 and abaited by powerful so called allies such as the UK and USA who’ve been arming them for decades.
Israel needs a very clear message sent to them they are going to be ostracised from major sporting events until they actively seek a peaceful solution.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Mon 22 Sep 18:28
Quote:
Andrew283, Mon 22 Sept 17:38
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
Genocide apologist
There has been no proof anywhere of any Genocide taking place
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 22 Sep 18:56
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sept 18:28
Quote:
Andrew283, Mon 22 Sept 17:38
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dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
Genocide apologist
There has been no proof anywhere of any Genocide taking place
As said elsewhere, away back under your rock.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Mon 22 Sep 19:04
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sept 18:28
Quote:
Andrew283, Mon 22 Sept 17:38
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dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
Genocide apologist
There has been no proof anywhere of any Genocide taking place
Other than a plethora of independent, genocide specialists assessing at as such. And the majority of the international community. And human rights organisations.
Away and take your trolling elsewhere.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 22 Sep 19:11
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 18:28
Quote:
Andrew283, Mon 22 Sept 17:38
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
Genocide apologist
There has been no proof anywhere of any Genocide taking place
Would that have anything to do with 220 journalists murdered since 2023 perhaps?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 22 Sep 20:55
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1 like
Date: Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
The biggest terrorist organization in the world just now and indeed for many many years is the IDF.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Mon 22 Sep 21:34
Quote:
desparado, Mon 22 Sept 20:55
The biggest terrorist organization in the world just now and indeed for many many years is the IDF.
The IDF are a defensive organization unlike Hamas who are brutal monsters
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Mon 22 Sep 21:45
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sept 21:34
Quote:
desparado, Mon 22 Sept 20:55
The biggest terrorist organization in the world just now and indeed for many many years is the IDF.
The IDF are a defensive organization unlike Hamas who are brutal monsters
Deary me, open yer eyes min, ffs.
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Mon 22 Sep 21:50
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 21:34
Quote:
desparado, Mon 22 Sept 20:55
The biggest terrorist organization in the world just now and indeed for many many years is the IDF.
The IDF are a defensive organization unlike Hamas who are brutal monsters
Honestly I’ve seen some mince on this forum before, but this outdoes the lot. Genuinely staggering.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Mon 22 Sep 22:29
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 21:34
Quote:
desparado, Mon 22 Sept 20:55
The biggest terrorist organization in the world just now and indeed for many many years is the IDF.
The IDF are a defensive organization unlike Hamas who are brutal monsters
So shooting people dead who are waiting for aid to be delivered is an act of self defence aye? remember when the idf shot and killed 3 innocent wee boys playing football on a beach? What was self defence about that?
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Mon 22 Sep 22:40
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
You don’t think Israel are terrorists after murdering over 60,000 innocent Palestinians and starving them to death!! 🥺
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Tue 23 Sep 07:00
About time. We should never be playing any team from Israel. GTF.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 23 Sep 07:17
Quote:
desparado, Mon 22 Sept 20:55
Topic Originator: dafc-chris1 like
Date: Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
The biggest terrorist organization in the world just now and indeed for many many years is the IDF.
Well it was until Trumpski turned the FBI and ICE into the Gestapo.
Of course Chris will be creaming himself about that.
Post Edited (Tue 23 Sep 07:18)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 23 Sep 07:30
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 22 Sept 18:01
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
That’s to easy a headline to make. It doesn’t include for a whole lot of nuance.
Israel and Palestine both have hands coated in blood. Both populations are as bad as each other in their determination to kill each other. It’s a disgusting situation all round and to be perfectly honest I don’t think we should see teams representing Israel or Palestine at anything until a peaceful solution is found.
Spot on. I don`t see how anyone can support either side.
The Israeli government is just currently more successful at doing what bothThey and Hamas want to do.
There are also good people in both countries who are opposed to all the violence. Lets not Demonise entire nations for what the people in power do.
That aside, the people of Palestine need immediate help to survive., so we should do everything we can.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 23 Sep 08:07
Is this valid for a football forum?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 23 Sep 08:12
Quote:
parsmad68, Tue 23 Sept 08:07
Is this valid for a football forum?
Its originally about a team getting kicked out a football comp. Reasons for agreeing or disagreeing have been suggested, so yes it is.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Tue 23 Sep 08:39
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sept 18:28
Quote:
Andrew283, Mon 22 Sept 17:38
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
Genocide apologist
There has been no proof anywhere of any Genocide taking place
^^^ I believe the United Nations themselves do declared a genocide was taking place.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 23 Sep 08:49
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 23 Sep 07:30
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 22 Sept 18:01
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
That’s to easy a headline to make. It doesn’t include for a whole lot of nuance.
Israel and Palestine both have hands coated in blood. Both populations are as bad as each other in their determination to kill each other. It’s a disgusting situation all round and to be perfectly honest I don’t think we should see teams representing Israel or Palestine at anything until a peaceful solution is found.
Spot on. I don`t see how anyone can support either side.
The Israeli government is just currently more successful at doing what bothThey and Hamas want to do.
There are also good people in both countries who are opposed to all the violence. Lets not Demonise entire nations for what the people in power do.
That aside, the people of Palestine need immediate help to survive., so we should do everything we can.
What has this to do with football.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 23 Sep 09:39
Parsmad68, maybe read the title of the thread.
If you suppirt genocide, own it, don`t try to quell discussion by deflection, poor deflection at that.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: vasco
Date: Tue 23 Sep 09:51
South Africa were banned from all sports for many years for practicing Apartheid. What’s happening in Palestine is a hundred times worse.
Get Israel banned now!
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 23 Sep 10:04
IDF…. Defence organization 🤣
Yes it has the word in their name but that’s it. They are an occupying force so that’s the defence argument booted straight into the long grass. They are barbaric bloodthirsty and happily post their actions on social media as they systematically destroy everything in Gaza. Schools, universities, hospitals not to mention innocent people, women and children.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 23 Sep 10:09
Quote:
parsmad68, Tue 23 Sep 08:49
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PARrot, Tue 23 Sep 07:30
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 22 Sept 18:01
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
That’s to easy a headline to make. It doesn’t include for a whole lot of nuance.
Israel and Palestine both have hands coated in blood. Both populations are as bad as each other in their determination to kill each other. It’s a disgusting situation all round and to be perfectly honest I don’t think we should see teams representing Israel or Palestine at anything until a peaceful solution is found.
Spot on. I don`t see how anyone can support either side.
The Israeli government is just currently more successful at doing what bothThey and Hamas want to do.
There are also good people in both countries who are opposed to all the violence. Lets not Demonise entire nations for what the people in power do.
That aside, the people of Palestine need immediate help to survive., so we should do everything we can.
What has this to do with football.
The discussion is about if Israel should be allowed to continue to be allowed to play in UEFA comps.
That discussion requires context on the situation.
If you don’t like it, avoid the thread. It really is that simple.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Tue 23 Sep 10:49
on a forum where the bar has been lowered over the years looks like its gone down another 10 notches
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Tue 23 Sep 10:56
Absolutely correct
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 23 Sep 11:15
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 23 Sep 10:09
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parsmad68, Tue 23 Sep 08:49
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PARrot, Tue 23 Sep 07:30
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NMCmassive, Mon 22 Sept 18:01
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dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
That’s to easy a headline to make. It doesn’t include for a whole lot of nuance.
Israel and Palestine both have hands coated in blood. Both populations are as bad as each other in their determination to kill each other. It’s a disgusting situation all round and to be perfectly honest I don’t think we should see teams representing Israel or Palestine at anything until a peaceful solution is found.
Spot on. I don`t see how anyone can support either side.
The Israeli government is just currently more successful at doing what bothThey and Hamas want to do.
There are also good people in both countries who are opposed to all the violence. Lets not Demonise entire nations for what the people in power do.
That aside, the people of Palestine need immediate help to survive., so we should do everything we can.
What has this to do with football.
The discussion is about if Israel should be allowed to continue to be allowed to play in UEFA comps.
That discussion requires context on the situation.
If you don’t like it, avoid the thread. It really is that simple.
Dave for what it is worth, I actually have friends and colleagues on both sides of this complex divide. My question is more about what UEFA or FIFA have discussed on the matter rather than the tragedy unfolding here. I think that is more appropriate a discussion rather than who did what to whom. That is my point for anyone who has misconstrued my comment, especially when people are questioning if I support genocide….
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Tue 23 Sep 12:56
Its interesting the wotds used, definitely the israeli state has hands covered in blood, supported by some if the population, equally hamas. Is that the palestinian state???, have massive blood. On hands. I wontt go into my strong views on blame. But israel being the strong power has even more blame in acting out netanyahu policy of wiping out palestine, as he says palestine shoukd not exist
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Tue 23 Sep 15:23
I`m not going to get involved in the political aspect of this argument, but I will say that my late father served there from 1945 to 1948, during the final years of the British Mandate and just prior to Israel declaring statehood. During these years, more than 1,000 British personnel were killed, by both sides, and it`s been clear since then that the two sides will never reach a mutual agreement.
What is happening in Gaza is awful, but it has to be accepted that Hamas is probably responsible for more Palestinian deaths than the IDF is. "From the River to the Sea" tells us that Hamas, and yes, many Palestinians, will only be happy with the total annihilation of Israel. So, I wasn`t going to get involved in the politics, but will banning sports teams etc really benefit anyone?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 23 Sep 15:34
Quote:
parsmad68, Tue 23 Sept 08:49
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PARrot, Tue 23 Sep 07:30
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 22 Sept 18:01
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Mon 22 Sep 17:04
If they ban them they are literally supporting terrorism
That’s to easy a headline to make. It doesn’t include for a whole lot of nuance.
Israel and Palestine both have hands coated in blood. Both populations are as bad as each other in their determination to kill each other. It’s a disgusting situation all round and to be perfectly honest I don’t think we should see teams representing Israel or Palestine at anything until a peaceful solution is found.
Spot on. I don`t see how anyone can support either side.
The Israeli government is just currently more successful at doing what bothThey and Hamas want to do.
There are also good people in both countries who are opposed to all the violence. Lets not Demonise entire nations for what the people in power do.
That aside, the people of Palestine need immediate help to survive., so we should do everything we can.
What has this to do with football.
Read the last sentence and reflect on the topic.
Sorry....I responded to the quoted text before reading your later explanation.
Post Edited (Tue 23 Sep 15:39)
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 23 Sep 17:17
Quote:
CitizenPar, Tue 23 Sep 15:23
I`m not going to get involved in the political aspect of this argument, but I will say that my late father served there from 1945 to 1948, during the final years of the British Mandate and just prior to Israel declaring statehood. During these years, more than 1,000 British personnel were killed, by both sides, and it`s been clear since then that the two sides will never reach a mutual agreement.
What is happening in Gaza is awful, but it has to be accepted that Hamas is probably responsible for more Palestinian deaths than the IDF is. "From the River to the Sea" tells us that Hamas, and yes, many Palestinians, will only be happy with the total annihilation of Israel. So, I wasn`t going to get involved in the politics, but will banning sports teams etc really benefit anyone?
Sorry to say but Israel has went way too far this time.
Hamas are not the thousands and thousands of people killed and currently being starved but they are the ones being punished.
Imagine if the UK had massacred the Irish people because of the IRA atrocities.
Same thing is happening there.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 23 Sep 17:28
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Tue 23 Sep 17:17
Quote:
CitizenPar, Tue 23 Sep 15:23
I`m not going to get involved in the political aspect of this argument, but I will say that my late father served there from 1945 to 1948, during the final years of the British Mandate and just prior to Israel declaring statehood. During these years, more than 1,000 British personnel were killed, by both sides, and it`s been clear since then that the two sides will never reach a mutual agreement.
What is happening in Gaza is awful, but it has to be accepted that Hamas is probably responsible for more Palestinian deaths than the IDF is. "From the River to the Sea" tells us that Hamas, and yes, many Palestinians, will only be happy with the total annihilation of Israel. So, I wasn`t going to get involved in the politics, but will banning sports teams etc really benefit anyone?
Sorry to say but Israel has went way too far this time.
Hamas are not the thousands and thousands of people killed and currently being starved but they are the ones being punished.
Imagine if the UK had massacred the Irish people because of the IRA atrocities.
Same thing is happening there.
Also got to remember that the “official” number of deaths is at 60-70,000 - it’s going to be way higher than that…..90% plus of Gazan infrastructure has been reduced to rubble. The numbers are going to be in the hundreds of thousands, with hundreds of thousands being starved right now. Banning Israeli teams from competing in games is the least anyone can do.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 23 Sep 18:02
That figure of around 65,000 dead is surely nonsense. The fact that this is the number being peddled by Hamas themselves makes me think they are bought and paid for by the Israeli Government
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Topic Originator: nazpar
Date: Tue 23 Sep 18:12
How is that figure nonsense when 80 % of Gaza is rubble .you trying to tell the IDF can flatten most of a region to rubble and no kill thousands of people at the same time ..As of 17 September 2025, over 68,000 people (66,054 Palestinians[4][9] and 1,983 Israelis[c]) have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry (GHM) and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as well as 217 journalists and media workers,[46][d] 120 academics,[49] and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 179 employees of UNRWA.[50] Scholars have estimated 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians
nazpar
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 23 Sep 18:22
I think he means it`s much more.
I saw something yesterday where someone was quoting a senior Israeli military source where he thought it was more like 200,000.
Someone said, someone said I know but I wouldn`t be surprised.
I think maybe the health authority only counts actual bodies, not all the ones under the rubble.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 23 Sep 22:47
I don’t know why anyone would trust Hamas numbers. They’re playing propaganda 100% of the time. I notice they’re not producing the Pallywood reports as much. I wonder if that was back firing on them.
Israel left Gaza in 2005 and since then Hamas built up and done what they done.
I seen someone’s comment comparing between IRA and their atrocities-I agree however we also didn’t watch the bodies of our dead being paraded around the streets while being spat on and struck by those in the crowd. I’m sure those images increased the visceral reaction to the oct 7th attack.
I am still not condoning anything that is going on over there.
You could say that the Holy land is slowly becoming a hell on earth
COYP
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 23 Sep 23:11
Quote:
nazpar, Tue 23 Sept 18:12
How is that figure nonsense when 80 % of Gaza is rubble .you trying to tell the IDF can flatten most of a region to rubble and no kill thousands of people at the same time ..As of 17 September 2025, over 68,000 people (66,054 Palestinians[4][9] and 1,983 Israelis[c]) have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry (GHM) and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as well as 217 journalists and media workers,[46][d] 120 academics,[49] and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 179 employees of UNRWA.[50] Scholars have estimated 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians
Yes, I was meaning it must be much, much more than that
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Wed 24 Sep 08:51
This should be on the Politics forum all day long.
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Topic Originator: nazpar
Date: Wed 24 Sep 10:25
No problem Red-Star I read it the wrong way
nazpar
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Wed 24 Sep 23:54
Back on topic.
It looks like Qatar has lost out to the US in European political football.
Israel spared immediate expulsion from UEFA after US pressure - Israel Hayom
Some hope though, in the final paragraph:
So what comes next? Israeli football`s main objective is to secure a place in the Nations League draw in March and participate in the tournament. At the moment, the chances look slim unless the political situation changes and Israel ends its war. Nevertheless, the threat of expulsion could resurface at any moment depending on UEFA`s considerations. Israel may have won this battle, but the war over its place in international football is far from finished.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 25 Sep 00:02
Topic Originator: CitizenPar like
Date: Tue 23 Sep 15:23
I`m not going to get involved in the political aspect of this argument, but I will say that my late father served there from 1945 to 1948, during the final years of the British Mandate and just prior to Israel declaring statehood. During these years, more than 1,000 British personnel were killed, by both sides, and it`s been clear since then that the two sides will never reach a mutual agreement.
What is happening in Gaza is awful, but it has to be accepted that Hamas is probably responsible for more Palestinian deaths than the IDF is. "From the River to the Sea" tells us that Hamas, and yes, many Palestinians, will only be happy with the total annihilation of Israel. So, I wasn`t going to get involved in the politics, but will banning sports teams etc really benefit anyone?
I noticed that you conveniently left out recent quotes from Israeli government ministers advocating the total destruction of Gaza andPalestinians including women and children.
Hamas responsible for more Palestinians deaths ? Really? Israel has been killing Palestinians indiscriminately for decades.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 25 Sep 12:32
The IDF are a law unto themselves.
A few years back a British humanitarian aid worker was shot dead by an IDF soldier from a fortified observation post - the UK volunteer was clearly visible wearing a very high viz jacket.
The shooter was a Druse Israeli citizen and the IDF and Israeli government went to extraordinary lengths to avoid identifying him or allowing an investigation by external authorities.
If memory serves they were obliged to let him be named etc. and he was subject to further action.
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