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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 4 Oct 13:18
On updates duty today so multitasking as usual ~ I’ll post the team as soon as I get a team sheet (if ye beat me to it please do so).
The wind isn’t as strong as it was yesterday but there’s still a breeze on the go. I predict lots of throw ins and runaway corners!
Score wise - a hopeful 2-0 to us.
Mon the Pars!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Sat 04 Oct 16:56)
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 4 Oct 13:22
Well Lorna I like your scoreline for us and hope for the same !
hopefully we will Breeze past them and get the result we need
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 4 Oct 13:32
Thanks, WillietheWisp!
Other SPFL Ch fixtures today :
Airdrie v Morton
Partick v Arbroath
Ross County v Rovers
St Johnstone v Ayr United
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 4 Oct 14:05
Terrell
Chilokoa-Mullen
Gilmour
Kearney
Amade
Macleod
Abdulai
Kane
Bray
A Tod
Fraser
Subs
Munn
Hamilton
Otoo
Ritchie-Hosler
Todd
Stewart
J Tod
Fyfe
Oakley-Boothe
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Sat 04 Oct 14:07)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 4 Oct 14:48
Posh food in the kiosks today
Loaded nachos - cheese and chilli
Yummy in ma tummy
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 4 Oct 14:54
Abdulai in for Benedictus and Bray in for Cáceres. Still a back four which I`m not sure suits us best. Looks like maybe 4-3-3 which means there`s not much width out there. Hopefully the wind doesn`t spoil things and we get off to a good start for once. Looks like a poor crowd in, although there were only two gates open for fans heading to the North West stand. No queue at all for the Norrie though, got straight in like it was a pre-season game.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 4 Oct 14:56
Not a great set of fans in the away end either Kelty.
Main stand filling up as I type however
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:00
No Sammy the Tammy again…….spending money bringing a 4 year old and the only thing that would keep her entertained isn’t even there! 🙄
Hopefully we win to make up for it
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:17
Decent start but final ball letting us down. Kane looking at lot sharper and Bray getting into some nice pockets of space.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:19
Still in Morocco keeping tabs on the game cheers
G.B
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:20
Gilmour with a shot off the post!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:21
Gilmour hits the bar.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:22
Oooft, Gilmour unlucky there!
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:23
QP are absolutely rotten.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:23
How many times have we hit the woodwork in recent weeks?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:26
Quite impressed with Tyrell`s distribution.
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:41
Playing pretty well just not enough of a goal threat as usual.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:41
A wee bit of composure needed.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:42
We are rather wasteful in attack. The Queen`s defence is very static and liable to make mistakes when we press them.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:53
Queens are offering very little but we don’t have enough upfront to really trouble them despite having the majority of the ball.
Feels a little bit like last season. Lack of quality just where it counts at the moment and you can see some of them are lacking a wee of confidence and form at the moment.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:54
OMG, we are so lucky to have survived a goal-bound shot by Fowler. Chris Kane cleared it off the line. HT now.
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Topic Originator: xgatespars
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:56
So so comfortable and in control from gk to forwards, then final third we are woeful. Every shot has been snatched at, Gilmour was a tad unlucky with his. New CH looks great, midfield battling really well getting ball back quickly. Kane, Tod and Mcleod look way off it today. Really need a spark up top, cmon pars.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 4 Oct 15:56
QP are poor, #14 up front looks decent but happy to sit with two banks of four behind the ball.
We aren`t creative enough or, more inportantly, shift the ball quickly enough to hurt them in final third of the park.
Same old story.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
Post Edited (Sat 04 Oct 15:57)
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:01
Got to be burying these teams or it`s gonna be another slog
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Topic Originator: fergie
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:04
After two home defeats, disappointing barely touches the horror this is 😞
I expected us to be like lions but instead we are sheep. Get players on, that want to win and play for us. Otoo and Hamilton would be a good start
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:08
Queens Park haven`t kicked a ball in 125 years.
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Topic Originator: nightboat
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:10
This is a terrible watch. We have no idea in front of goal. And in between we are no better than QP.
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:17
You just can’t imagine this team going on some great winning run to put us up the table. Looks like another long, frustrating season lies ahead. Very very disappointed.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:27
Have we improved, yes, are we going to be setting any heather alight, no.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:37
We`re just so toothless up front. Too slow passing through the lines on the counter and too often make the wrong choice. We should be beating this lot quite comfortably.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:39
Dominated possession and the midfield but our attacking play is so poor.
QP with a couple good breakaways and Fowler looks a handful
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:40
At present it looks like the same old problem for us , nobody to put the ball in the net !
C`mon pars we need a hero
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:46
So disappointing to not win today. Tough first quarter of the season!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:47
Matty Todd misses a really good chance.
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:48
With the exception of the GK, Amade and Gilmour just not good enough
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:51
FA1968, you should rewrite that
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:52
Why`s he fkn diving, fkn muppet
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:52
What is JCM doing there, farcical
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Topic Originator: nightboat
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:52
Not a clue in front of goal. Even with chances are missing the target. No shots getting close.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:55
What have we all done to deserve this
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Topic Originator: nightboat
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:55
9 from 27. Awful return.
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:55
Looks like a point at home to Queens Park is a good result for this shower.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:56
3 home games in a row, and not a single goal, McPake stats.
Looking like a mid table side.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:58
Could be worse. Could have lost 2-0 in Dingwall.
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:59
Mid table? We are two points off possible relegation.
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:59
bbc stats give us 4 shots on target out of 11 shots
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 4 Oct 16:59
3 winnable games at home and 1 point collected, nowhere near good enough. The only positive is that we didn`t get beat on the counter which looked like it could`ve happened a few times in the 2nd half.
We are absolutely dreadful in attack, just the same old recycled nonsense, aimless crosses and finishing is miles off it.
I`d be utterly stunned if we manage to win against Raith in a couple weeks.
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Topic Originator: ReturningParsFan
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:01
Trying not to be too critical given the conditions but...that was very poor, especially the second half. Ghanaian centre back class, very impressed with the goalkeeper. Occasional flashes from MacLeod and Bray in the first half, but hard to see where the next goal is coming from. Gilmore and Fraser good as usual. Can`t believe Amade was sponsor
MoM.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:02
Understand the concept with young players and we do have some good youngsters ,but we need to push the budget and get a quality experienced striker . Been said we have been priced out of specific players ,we need to go pay what it needs for a striker
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:03
well another blank at home ! looks like we will have to get used to this, as there is no light at the end of the tunnel , still do not have anyone to take chances
I don`t see anything different from the Past, on this first quarter we are now down to 7th position which at present looks more likely where we will end up
Disappointed is an understatement
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:03
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 4 Oct 17:02
Understand the concept with young players and we do have some good youngsters ,but we need to push the budget and get a quality experienced striker . Been said we have been priced out of specific players ,we need to go pay what it needs for a striker
We`ve spent all the budget on an average manager
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Topic Originator: craigypar35
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:07
Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Sat 4 Oct 16:56
3 home games in a row, and not a single goal, McPake stats.
Looking like a mid table side.
I wish! If we deliver those results each quarter it’s back to the seaside league. Really disappointed in this season so far. Thought Lennon would have us flying.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:08
Zero quality on the park today, to man they look way of the pace and not prepared to take responsibility, it’s all very deliberate Tidser ball going nowhere. Kearney needs dropped, he’s just passing the buck backwards every time.
Special mention to mcleod and Tod for a total lack of movement today, I get they are young but at the very least they should be moving about and competing for it.
It’s poor, nevermind our next win where’s our next goal coming from?
Only pars could spend the money they have and still look devoid of quality and unlikely to score in most games.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:09
FT. Difficult to see much positive from this game. Sure, we got a point, but there was barely any action of note over the 90 minutes.
Our goalie, Billy Tyrell, looks to be quite solid and spreads the ball well, and our new defender, Abdulai, had a pretty good debut. Amade did well as captain, holding the midfield with Gilmour. But both were a little bit untidy with their passing at times. Caceres is a huge miss, and as time goes on, so is Rudden.
There were no stand-outs in a game that will soon be forgotten.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:12
I wasn`t at the game but judging by the comments on here and the stats I saw we didn`t create too many clear-cut chances, in which case how is signing a `quality striker` going to improve things? We`ve been hearing this on here for the last three seasons but if you don`t create many chances you won`t score many goals.
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:13
2 key players missing and this team are no better than last season. What a waste of money.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:25
Very disappointed.
Is Andy Tod playing with an injury/lack of fitness or is he just lazy? He couldn’t be bothered closing down or contesting headers so many times today. Same goes for McLeod.
Kane looks a shadow of his former self, his touches just aren’t anywhere near as good as they used to be.
What has happened to JCM? Last season he couldn’t put a foot wrong, this season every game he makes simple mistakes.
Barney Stewart looked like he’d never played football before.
First half we were alright but Queen’s Park made some adjustments at half time and we never got a grip of the game again. Subs weakened us too.
Bray looked good in flashes first half.
3 home games in a row, 1 point, 0 goals. Yes, we are missing Rudden
, cooper, Bene and Jeff but we need to do better than this.
If we want to be in the playoffs we will need to have a big transfer window in January bringing in quality and experience.
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:26
For the money we’ve spent, we are barely better than last season.
An absolute waste of everyone’s time that match.
Lennons goalscoring record (exception of Arbroath) is absolutely pathetic.
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:30
Genuine question but if McPake had been given the backing Lennon has then would we be sitting where we are? I don’t think we would. I like Lennon but I’m now starting to wonder what he’s doing?
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:39
McPake wasn’t backed but if he was I’m sure we would be in a better position, that’s just my opinion.
We need the game with Barney and Matty up front who are both miles off it.
We look so weak going forward again for about the 5th/6th season in the row, it’s never been addressed and sorted.
Fully agree Kane looks like he’s finished this season, a shadow of the player we are used too, apart from Rudden who we miss massively, we are still miles short in the striker position.
Andy Tods early season form had abandoned him as he looked terrible today.
Massive concern is growing at East End and with The Wee Team up next surely we can’t go 4 home games without a goal or a win can we?
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:41
"Could be worse. Could have lost 2-0 in Dingwall."
Not really, that`s the likely result when we go up there soon and we don`t have the buffer of points on the board like the wee team have.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:41
I thought after hitting the bar we created nothing. I don`t remember their keeper having to make any save of note. We played alot of good football in the middle of the park, but lacked movement and penetration up front. I thought we could have played all day and not scored.
QP came more into the game second half and I thought they were the more likely to score towards the end.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:42
Too many poor touches, too many shots screwed wide or straight at the keeper, and too many wrong decisions by some players. I don`t blame the manager for this.
Not sure about the decision to book JCM for diving. Anyone get a really good view of what happened?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:45
Keeper done well today, came for crosses and distribution was good.
New centre half looked good - couple of dodgey passes/touches but to be expected with lack of match time. JCM on the other hand…..the dive was just embarrassing.
Gilmour and Amade are good at breaking the game up, but the gap between them and the strikers is far too much. No creative spark in front of them.
Macleod looked a threat with the ball at his feet, Tod and Bray didn’t. And Kane was pretty useless today too.
Bit harsh on Barney, done the hold up work a bit better, won a couple of headers, laid ball off a bit more - people are going to moan because he’s not as fast as Rudden and Kane in closing down, but already doesn’t look like that kind of player.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 4 Oct 17:49
A poor run of results, no getting away with that, hard not to be disappointed.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Sat 4 Oct 18:01
The lack of leadership is going to kill us this season you need boys on the park to help in difficult situations and we don`t have that it`s a shame because I think we could have had a decent season this year
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 4 Oct 18:05
Barney was fine today, lost first couple of headers but got up to the pace. Few decent layoffs and knock downs which is his bread and butter stuff.
Amade really good today and decent debut for the bigman albeit wasnt much of a test coming the other way.
Poor besides that.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Sat 4 Oct 18:10
Well that was brutal, we really looked dreadful going forward. I couldn’t believe how many times we picked the wrong pass or got the ball out wide and couldn’t even hit our box. Lennon should go through mullin for that dive at the end, but then someone should go through Lennon for keeping tod on the park for 90 mins.
Feel deflated.
Effe
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Topic Originator: ReturningParsFan
Date: Sat 4 Oct 18:13
Maybe grasping at straws, but I thought Barney Stewart did well. Won a few headers, laid the ball off to teammates and thought it was his pass that almost put Todd through late on.
Slightly digressing, I wouldn`t blame anybody for missing or mistiming a header today in that wicked swirling wind. Virgil Van Dijk in his prime would have struggled.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 4 Oct 18:17
"Looking like a mid table side"
might not even be that but we were never going to be any better than that this season with this squad which is still filled with players who are nowhere near good enough mainly from previous regimes but Lennon doesnt get a pass on some of his decisions either, our best eleven might give sides a game now and then but take out a couple of those and that side will struggle as they are showing again.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 4 Oct 18:17
Doesn`t matter how we dissect things it has been a poor first quarter with a return of 9 points from 9 games
I think we were all really looking for better , we undertood it was young players and we knew performances would be up and down like a yo yo , But once again the biggest downfall for us usual we do not have anyone who can put the ball in the net !! ok its unfortunate with Rudden but it`s goals that win you games and if we had any aspirations of being in the play off places this was the main area needing sorted , i don`t mind losing a goal as long as we score more than the opposition , but as usual we cannot buy a goal
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 4 Oct 18:18
Quote:
ReturningParsFan, Sat 4 Oct 18:13
Maybe grasping at straws, but I thought Barney Stewart did well. Won a few headers, laid the ball off to teammates and thought it was his pass that almost put Todd through late on.
Slightly digressing, I wouldn`t blame anybody for missing or mistiming a header today in that wicked swirling wind. Virgil Van Dijk in his prime would have struggled.
Agree RPF.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 4 Oct 18:27
We know Lennon has said he has to manage the young boys properly, and to expect poor displays, but the confidence in the front area`s are at ground zero which I don`t understand.
In beginning to think he`s got too many young inexperienced players, more than he probably wanted, in the 1st team squad, and he`s out his depth..because performances aren`t getting any better for sure.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 4 Oct 18:29
Barney did well, competed in the air and won it a few times too. Not his fault tod was posted missing and barely moved all game. We cant break teams down at home if your strikers don`t actually move.
Tod already developing a bad knack of not working had enough and not competing for the ball. we’re expecting way too much from him given he has zero experience and especially at this level. If he doesn’t score he offers nothing else bar token efforts, it’s like a man down and it shows. McLeod is the same so to start with both of them means it’s a long day.
Unless something magical happens we can forget being in playoff contention until at least jan.
At mentioned above we have way too many youngsters in the team with not enough quality experience to take the pressure off and help get points on the board. The Arbroath game looks like a fluke result rather than a sign of things to come.
Post Edited (Sat 04 Oct 18:38)
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 4 Oct 18:31
Same auld problems we don’t score goals. Why we didn’t bring an experienced striker in over the summer is completely beyond me. Lennon under pressure now, that second have performed was awful.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 4 Oct 18:39
You would think, if nothing else, the first thing a young footballer should be able to do is run his bollox off 🙄
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:07
We lack the guile of an experienced forward. It`s something you can`t train into someone. We weren`t bad front to middle today, it`s our forwardline that`s struggling a bit. I thought there were several opportunities to drive forward but we were just looking for the pass. There was a lack of commitment to forward runs into space that QP were better at and PT last week. Sometimes you have to knock the ball into space for someone to run on to. That`s what Barney did with Matty Todd to create the only real chance we had inthe second half
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:08
It`s disappointing after being told on here that things would be different after getting rid of the dead wood like Chalmers, Wotherspoon, Wighton, O`Halloran, etc. Now we`ve got to find a new generation of scapegoats.
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Topic Originator: Oldfifer
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:21
Shame it’s about scoring goals.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:23
We have 9 points from 9 games, it’s pretty much the same ratio as last season and bar 1 game we still barely score or look like scoring.
Wee eck, if someone has a bad game, or a series of bad games as we are now seeing and we point that out does that mean they are being unfairly made scapegoats? I don’t think so.
The very least you expect from a pars player is to put a shift in and compete, why is the “grandson of god” not required to?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:30
That`s the most worrying display of the season for me. Maybe one day a manager will show that it`s possible to get a Pars team playing well when they`re instructed to play a slow passing game but I`ve yet to see it. Every recent manager has tried it at times and none has made a success of it. When we set up to play slow, boring football it`s almost always dreadful.
I`m concerned at the level of frustration in the players. It was noticable last week and again today that there was a lot or chucking arms up in the air and moaning at each other. Looked very much a group of players who just know it isn`t working.
It`s sometimes hard to be sure how much the wind is affecting a game when you`re sheltered from it at the side of the park, but it didn`t seem to have that big an effect on the game, except the odd time the ball went above the height of the stands. Neither side really tried to use the conditions at all.
So many times it was screaming for a bit of pace and an early pass, and almost always we had to slow it down and take an extra touch. Utterly infuriating, and a replica of last season. I was fighting myself to avoid exploding at a couple of points in the second half today.
The triple sub initially made us worse and they had a few chances as we fell out of the game for a bit, but we recovered towards the end. Stewart managed to get more involved and Todd had one of those runs we know he can make but couldn`t adjust his body enough to get the contact needed to put the shot on target.
The team feels a bit imbalanced to me - too many attack-minded players and not enough who think about the basics of defending. That means that we never really have a foundation for the attacking players to get involved. The key test for Lennon was to see if he could find a coherent way of playing and, sadly, so far he has not succeeded in this. Too often, we just seem to have absolutely nothing. Filling a team with attack-minded players does not necessarily make for a decent attacking team. Bert Paton managed it, but he had a strong core to his team with Paul Smith and Craig Robertson, and liked his teams to have a nasty edge as well. He also managed to find a way of playing that was effective and exciting at the same time. That feels absolutely miles from where we are now.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:32
Oh, I omitted Lewis McCann from the list of last year`s dead wood.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:33
Obviously as NL says its work in progress. The championship is a difficult league so it`s difficult to bring in young players week in week out to build confidence and experience. It`s perhaps why the game in Scotland has become so poor. At the end of the day we will have to persevere with young players but it will be a fine line between competing for a top 4 spot or fighting relegation. I thought NLs post match comments were balanced and fair.jefferson gave us better movement up front, but that being said, I thought the debuts today were solid enough and I can see improvement in Rory McLeod. I didn`t think JCM had a bad game. He got into a couple of good scoring positions but he should stay on his feet in the box. You are likely to get something in those positions rather than a foul against you. It`s moments like that that can turn games...split second decisions
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:35
Tbh think we need to change our whole forward line! I rate Kane but part time strikers just not working. Rudden hit the ground running.
I thought KRH warranted a start today. Barney Stewart - nothing has impressed me about him! A Tod - not enough dimension to his game! Bray did okay but maybe not his best position!
Need to get the forward line sorted as it’s way off Championship quality!!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:44
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wee eck, Sat 4 Oct 19:08
It`s disappointing after being told on here that things would be different after getting rid of the dead wood like Chalmers, Wotherspoon, Wighton, O`Halloran, etc. Now we`ve got to find a new generation of scapegoats.
They aren’t scapegoats if they just aren’t good enough. We cant have players that have 1 good game in 6 if we want to compete for play offs as a minimum.
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:47
Are players scared of taking a shot? Far too many times we’re looking to make another pass, even seeing the ball going back to the keeper via a few players when we’ve been in a position where the ball should of been crossed into the box. On a few occasions today we had players in the box, yet no cross went in. Surely it must be getting coached into the players that if you have a chance to get the ball into the box or have an opportunity to shoot at goal we take it.
Bofore today’s kick off I said I’d take a point just to stop the loosing streak but, it’s looking like the next quarter is gonna be a very tough watch. Hopefully we can get our strongest team out in our up and coming games. To give ourselves a chance to climb up the table.
The January window can’t come soon enough, we req experience, experience, experience in midfield and up front.
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Topic Originator: JimDAFC
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:51
Harry Kane would struggle to score in our team. I tend to agree with indiepar we don`t seem to have anyone that wants to drive forward at the opponents but maybe that`s because doing that brings a greater chance of being injured (KRH and Matty Todd comes to mind in previous seasons). But another thing that bugs me is any player that finds himself with a bit of space and time to get a cross in early just seems to think that he has to reach the bye line before he can cross it in which gives defenders more time to pick up their man. Why didn`t Mullen who I thought played quite well get a shot away when he made that space for one.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:55
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wee eck, Sat 4 Oct 19:32
Oh, I omitted Lewis McCann from the list of last year`s dead wood.
Lewis McCann was never good enough. If he was, he’d have been picked up by another Scottish championship team but he didn’t. He ended up on the bench at Fleetwood town.
Same with the rest. I think every one of them has went down the leagues for places
COYP
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:56
Todd through the middle playing behind the striker with Gilmour and Amade as holiding midfielders is one option i can think of, unless he`s still destined to be moved on.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 4 Oct 19:59
Really missed Caceras today. Nobody else has the ability to pick up wee gaps and make some of the touches and passes he does.
Felt like we were solid enough at the back and Amade and Gilmour won the midfield battle. We were let down by our wingers though. No quality passes/crosses what so ever.
A Tod. Great player - lazy b@st@rd. Done nothing today. I don’t think he walked a mile over the 90mins
COYP
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sat 4 Oct 20:00
I thought we did okay. QP are no lame ducks & will give anyone in this league a game. It’s fine margins in this league but we need to up our game in the final third.
Let’s see what the next quarter brings.
‘Hello my name is Jefferson - I’m happy to be here let’s go!’
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 4 Oct 20:10
I thought we snatched a bit at chances today. Andy Todd in the first half was in space on the right. He had space to run in to and draw out the central defender. He chose to cross it to Kane, but the cross was intercepted by the same central defender. Just a bit of composure needed in those circumstances. I don`t know how you train that into people. You can train players to be skillfull, pass, cross, etc, but composure has to come from within. I agree with NL that we played in front of the QP defence today. As many goals come from forced defensive errors as good play. You need to run at defences, put them under pressure, force errors, and be in the right spot to pick up second balls. For me it`s about mathematical probabilities. There seems to be little point in playing all that good football to get up the park only to knock the ball back. If you are in the final third, you should only be looking to push it forward by creating space, pulling defenders out of position, and put the defence under pressure. We huffed and puffed in the final third. Contrast that with QP whose change of pace and movement in the final third, created better opportunities despite having far less possession
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sat 04 Oct 20:17)
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Topic Originator: Muppet Par
Date: Sat 4 Oct 20:13
In wee ecks world you’re not allowed to criticise players who are playing or are crap. We’ve spent some money on this squad and it’s no better than what we had to watch under Tidster. Boring uninspiring crap football. Too many players not good enough AGAIN
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 4 Oct 20:32
Plus points today:
We dominated possession
Our new lad at the back had a great debut and didn’t look out of place at all.
Our goalie looks really assured and willing to keep the play moving.
Minus points:
Trying the same things over and over again like crosses that their keeper lapped up.
Nothing up front for most of the game.
A game to forget
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 4 Oct 20:39
Nmcmassive - Tod a great player? Based on what exactly?
As is the problem with young players when it’s not going well, they end up taking the safe option all the time and passing the responsibility back the way. Kearney the most obv example.
We’re carrying passengers just now and despite having a large squad, there is zero good options to bring on off the bench.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 4 Oct 20:40
I didn`t think it was the most worrying game of the season. I thought the Thistle game last week was. We took the game to them and controlled the game quite well in the first half. We must have had 90% possession. They packed their penalty area and lay very deep. Parked the bus as tightly as any bus could be parked. It`s very difficult to make space for a shot when there`s no space available. We did get a chance or two but lethal goal scoring machine we are not. You really need a goal to break the opposition out of turgid defensive tactics and since none was forthcoming we ended with our usual problem.
When they did break out our goalie was equal to the task and made several decent saves. I thought Abdulai really looked the part and could develop into an excellent player for us. Matty Todd should have been given at least half an hour because he showed more ability to penetrate their defence than any one else in the whole game. Rudden is a big miss. One point out of 3 games at home is a big disappointment.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 4 Oct 20:51
I wouldn`t draw parallels with this time last season. We have far more potential in the team. We just need to create more chances and put them away. Agree Nuru Abdulai has big potential. A few games under his belt and he will shine
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sat 04 Oct 21:38)
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Topic Originator: answer
Date: Sat 4 Oct 20:56
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 4 Oct 19:08
It`s disappointing after being told on here that things would be different after getting rid of the dead wood like Chalmers, Wotherspoon, Wighton, O`Halloran, etc. Now we`ve got to find a new generation of scapegoats.
Absolutely no need to refer to people as deadwood. You can’t improve only by removing people. You need to then replace them with better players. In my opinion we have. We do lack experience however, hopefully something can be done in January.
I want things to be even better for sure but would I choose to bring in now any of the players you mentioned? That’s a good question to ask yourself. An honest defence of your answer would be a delightful post to read.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 4 Oct 20:59
We were without our captain (Bene), our most necessary attacker (Rudden), and our most creative player (Caceres). Take the equivalents of those three out of any team in our league and would they be anywhere near their best?
Post Edited (Sat 04 Oct 21:07)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 4 Oct 21:09
Muppet Par, you can criticise whoever you like and as much as you like. The analysis usually ends up telling us the players aren`t good enough and what we need is another transfer window to set things right. It gets a bit repetitive. If you listen to the manager he is frustrated but accepts inconsistency is inevitable when dealing with young players. Unfortunately, few footbaĺl fans have the patience for this attitude. They always want instant success.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 4 Oct 21:14
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Berkey, Sat 4 Oct 20:39
Nmcmassive - Tod a great player? Based on what exactly?
As is the problem with young players when it’s not going well, they end up taking the safe option all the time and passing the responsibility back the way. Kearney the most obv example.
We’re carrying passengers just now and despite having a large squad, there is zero good options to bring on off the bench.
Based on when he actually applies himself he has success.
COYP
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 4 Oct 21:15
Exactly Wee Eck. Patience means giving it more than just the first quarter. It`s hard going, but there are unfortunate things happening to us that need taking into account. I`m still behind Lennon and the team. Let`s see if we do better in the second quarter. And get some luck! A few lucky deflections, ref decisions or a miraculous recovery by Zak from injury would do.
Post Edited (Sat 04 Oct 21:17)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 4 Oct 21:17
Answer, I think you missed the point of my post. I was suggesting it was naive to imply we could replace these players (and I have never referred to them as `dead wood") with ones who would bring instant success. I don`t think that`s the owners` game plan.
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Topic Originator: Muppet Par
Date: Sat 4 Oct 21:22
I think this fan base has been extremely patient. 13 years of utter dross. New owners, new manager, same old pars.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 4 Oct 21:39
Andrew Tod just isn’t at a consistent Championship level yet. Think he is off it physically and skill wise. He will hopefully get there in time though.
He also isn’t a striker, he’s an attacking midfielder being put up top because we have nobody else.
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Topic Originator: answer
Date: Sat 4 Oct 21:39
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wee eck, Sat 4 Oct 21:17
Answer, I think you missed the point of my post. I was suggesting it was naive to imply we could replace these players (and I have never referred to them as `dead wood") with ones who would bring instant success. I don`t think that`s the owners` game plan.
I didn’t miss the point of your post.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 4 Oct 21:40
Muppet, I donno how you figure our current owners and manager could have affected our previous years of underachievement. Lennon and Brunskill are contracted till summer 2027. I`m for giving them that to get us into or knocking on the door of the premiership, and that would be quite an achievement from where they started.
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Topic Originator: usurpar
Date: Sat 4 Oct 21:41
There are lots of opinions on this post, which is fine, everyone is entitled to their own. I would prefer to point out some facts, which I’m more than happy to have criticised or disagreed with.
1. This league is, as always, a very close competition with every team capable of beating the others
2. We have some very talented footballers in the squad, a lot of whom are young and will need time to develop. I don’t believe that any of them are ‘not good enough’ for this level, though they may not always be consistent.
3. It takes time for a team to gel, even when all players are available. We have a LOT of new faces in the squad and to lose the captain, our best creative player and our main goal threat exacerbates that problem dramatically.
4. International call-ups, while great for the individuals concerned, only disrupt the team, and the fixture list.
If you take all these points into consideration, it seems very harsh to me to criticise the players and the manager too much.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 4 Oct 21:46
Quote:
usurpar, Sat 4 Oct 21:41
There are lots of opinions on this post, which is fine, everyone is entitled to their own. I would prefer to point out some facts, which I’m more than happy to have criticised or disagreed with.
1. This league is, as always, a very close competition with every team capable of beating the others
2. We have some very talented footballers in the squad, a lot of whom are young and will need time to develop. I don’t believe that any of them are ‘not good enough’ for this level, though they may not always be consistent.
3. It takes time for a team to gel, even when all players are available. We have a LOT of new faces in the squad and to lose the captain, our best creative player and our main goal threat exacerbates that problem dramatically.
4. International call-ups, while great for the individuals concerned, only disrupt the team, and the fixture list.
If you take all these points into consideration, it seems very harsh to me to criticise the players and the manager too much.
Losers mentality. Why we have under achieved for so long.
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 4 Oct 21:51
Quote:
usurpar, Sat 4 Oct 21:41
There are lots of opinions on this post, which is fine, everyone is entitled to their own. I would prefer to point out some facts, which I’m more than happy to have criticised or disagreed with.
1. This league is, as always, a very close competition with every team capable of beating the others
2. We have some very talented footballers in the squad, a lot of whom are young and will need time to develop. I don’t believe that any of them are ‘not good enough’ for this level, though they may not always be consistent.
3. It takes time for a team to gel, even when all players are available. We have a LOT of new faces in the squad and to lose the captain, our best creative player and our main goal threat exacerbates that problem dramatically.
4. International call-ups, while great for the individuals concerned, only disrupt the team, and the fixture list.
If you take all these points into consideration, it seems very harsh to me to criticise the players and the manager too much.
Can`t argue with any of these points. We have way better players than we had previously but are still lacking a goal threat. Not the doom and gloom some on here would suggest though.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 4 Oct 22:04
Usurpar, I agree wi` you. You`re showing some understanding of the club`s current position.
Dave 1885, on the other hand, seems to be happy to appear a thicko with his one line put-down.
Post Edited (Sat 04 Oct 22:04)
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Sat 4 Oct 22:46
Everything else to one side. Our players are technically streets ahead of last years team. Some of our close skills and passing is wonderful. Everything else to one side.
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 4 Oct 23:48
Of those playing today, Amade and Gilmour are a big upgrade in their respective positons (not that the bar was set particularly high) compared to what we had.
I'd say the jury is still out on the rest.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
Post Edited (Sat 04 Oct 23:50)
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sun 5 Oct 00:20
For a team with about 10 coaches we look so poorly coached.
I think the young lads have talent but zero direction.
Lennon has serious question marks above his head right now. 3 home games. 1 point and zero goals after all the money thrown about. Unacceptable I`m afraid.
Post Edited (Sun 05 Oct 00:32)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 5 Oct 03:07
Quote:
Muppet Par, Sat 4 Oct 21:22
I think this fan base has been extremely patient. 13 years of utter dross. New owners, new manager, same old pars.
Same Muppets talking pihs
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Topic Originator: DNCH
Date: Sun 5 Oct 04:57
I despair reading fans questioning Lennon here. Painful to read. We’re going to improve with Lennon.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 5 Oct 09:20
Ultimately NL has been clear that the team is work in progress. They lack experience but the only way to get it is game time. I agree with the lack of decision-making up front. We tended to snatch at it a bit when in good positions. A bit of focus and composure will make a difference. I agree in the main that we have held our own against PT and StJ. Some bad luck along the way with Rudden, and hitting the woodwork, and lack of discipline with the sending offs. We need to be consistently scoring goals which is a challenge for most clubs. A half fit Chris Kane won`t help us. That means we need two Chris Kanes for 90 minutes. We are better with him for sure but 45 minutes isn`t enough and there is the dilemma do you play the first or last 45.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Sun 5 Oct 09:32
Part 1: While disappointed with yesterday`s performance - especially second half (when were weren`t playing with enough urgency or a high enough tempo for my liking) I side with usurpar, onandupthe pars and coventry par and others in being very pleased with how our squad has improved.
There were some positives yesterday – I really like Terrell who was my man of the match yesterday. He comes out quickly to clear danger, had a great punch, is brave, has a big kick and reasonably accurate, is comfortable with the ball at his feet (and he uses both feet) and with this throws or kicks he is looking to get us counter-attacking quickly. Abdulai also had a very solid debut.
Some on here don`t seem to understand that goals are rare events in football and pretty much follow a Poisson distribution. As a result, luck can play a bigger part in results in football than many other sports. For example - how many times have we hit the bar and post recently, or the ref hasn`t given that red card or penalty that may have changed games? With a bit more luck we could have picked up quite a few more points in the last few games. Maybe we will get a bit more luck in our next few and go on a run of a few wins?
I think the skill level of most of our new signings and local youngsters coming through like the Tods is very much higher. Cooper is another skilful and unpredictable player with some goals in him, and I think we have really missed him. Losing Caceres is obviously a big blow.
Chalmers gave us his best and never hid - always looking for the ball but he was slow and often not looking to get the ball forward enough. Surely people can recognise that Amade and Gilmour have improved our midfield and are a big step up on what we had last season? If you can`t enjoy watching skilful players like Caceres and think we are no different to previous seasons, then I despair.
If you go back to Sir Alex`s ideas on football - he wanted his teams to attack with “Speed, Power, Penetration and Unpredictability”. Our scoring issues stem from slow build-up play (letting defences get packed and organised) and predictable attacks, largely resorting to getting the ball wide and putting in crosses into crowded defences, especially with Tidser and McPake`s tactics. It hasn`t helped that our deliveries have often been either under or over-hit most of the time or just floated in gently rather than with a flatter trajectory and more pace. We also haven’t had enough players with sufficient striker’s anticipation to be in the right place to attack the ball when it does come in. We have not had enough unpredictability in recent seasons and that includes a lack of direct penetration through the middle into space for players to run onto at pace.
Post Edited (Sun 05 Oct 09:53)
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Sun 5 Oct 09:34
Part 2:
For me, players like Cooper and Andy Tod give us that bit of unpredictability and in addition to being able to see and thread passes, they sometimes show some wonderful skill. They also have the footballing intelligence to make direct runs into space, to draw defenders away to make space for others or to receive the ball and shoot (with a much higher accuracy rate than say Matty Tood or Lewis McCann). We have really lacked players with a bit more skill and flair in recent seasons. I reckon we would have had had a much better season last year if our managers had played Tod and Cooper more. Andy Tod may not be an out-and-out striker, but he still has got 4 goals in four league games with 1 assist in 8 matches, and I think another three goals in other games. Pretty good in my book.
Too many on dotnet just seem to look at the results and not how we have played. As Ian Graham makes clear (and anyone who has played the game knows), sometimes in football you can be the better team but lose. I didn’t watch the games yesterday, but I see both Leeds and Liverpool’s expected goals were very much higher than their opponents who won.
For me, yesterday’s performance was the most disappointing so far this season (especially the second half). However, overall, we are still so much better than the last few seasons and have a much more technically skilful squad. As others have pointed out the reality is that the Championship is a very tough division with almost every team capable of winning on their day.
As Raymie has mentioned we are currently short on experience. Ian Graham’s new book “How to win the premier league- the inside story of footballs’ data revolution” sets out that Liverpool thinks that on average a player reaches their peak at 27. As the club has explained – it is not for lack of trying that we haven’t been able to get some more experienced players in – it was just that our targets were overpriced. Our new owners are investing much more but we still don’t have an unlimited budget. We have a young squad, and they should get better and more consistent as they get older and more game time. Let’s be a bit more patient.
Some on here seem to have a sense of entitlement that we are the mighty Pars and just should batter every team we play against. I think with the current owners and management we will get there, and we will get back to the Premier League (although most probably not this season – although I would hope we can make the play-offs). It’s going to take time. With a young squad we will have to be patient.
With a few wins on the trot we can be right back in the play-off mix. We may have only got one point out of the last 12, but it is not that we haven’t had chances or been completely outplayed. Alex Ferguson didn’t build a great Manchester United team overnight. We may be work in progress but we are so much more entertaining to watch this season.
Post Edited (Sun 05 Oct 09:45)
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sun 5 Oct 09:41
Excellent post Rhinopars.
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Topic Originator: Football_Par
Date: Sun 5 Oct 09:51
for the money we have spent we should be doing much better
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 5 Oct 09:56
Well said Rhino.
Can`t dispute a single word you said.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 5 Oct 11:29
Absolutely agree on the lack of strikers anticipation, that’s what a fit Chris kane gives you, he’s always on his toes and closes players down and gambles. We can’t get into players faces with a pressing game either as we have too many who don’t press so it’s easier for teams to get out. There’s just not enough movement in the team in the forward areas to stretch teams and there’s a lack of pace in the team again to beat a man or get in behind again. Yesterday was a masterclass in poor delivery into the box as well but until Barney came on you didn’t feel like we had the height score from a header in open play anyway.
My worry is that queens were very poor yesterday including particularly poor centre backs but we couldn`t take advantage of it. For sure they will be battling it out down the bottom come the end of the season so that was the gam you needed to win to put daylight between us and what I see as the bottom 2 teams alongside airdrie.
Rudden will make a difference but we’re very much a different team without Jeffy. Without Jeffy we’re a team who will struggle at this level to score goals and win games and with him we’re a match for anyone. He’s become massive for us.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Sun 5 Oct 11:54
I should have mentioned losing Rudden has been a blow.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 5 Oct 13:02
Very good posts RhinoPars.
Something that keeps getting slung at management is the idea that we`ve spent a lot of dough. Have we really? Folk were saying we offered 150K or so for Easton. And that`s about the biggest number I`ve seen. What have we actually spent on any of our players? It`s not as if anyone has cost us big bucks. Seems to me we`ve spent wisely, and not all that much.
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Sun 5 Oct 13:07
I your selection for MoM against QP at home is our keeper then that says everything about our performance and the position we are in . Cause for concern.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 5 Oct 13:45
We spent decent money on Fraser and Kearney, but the rest of the guys who played yesterday were either frees, from our youth system or small nominal fees. Cáceres is probably the one we`ve spent any serious money on but he wasn`t available. Seems some folk have already decided we`re spending daft money.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 5 Oct 13:54
Sheffield United were keen to offload Caceres to free up his `slot` for another foreigner so they probably didn`t demand a big fee. His wages would be another matter though. How do you persuade someone who has just been relegated from the English Premiership to switch to the Scottish Championship?
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Topic Originator: bigdonnie
Date: Sun 5 Oct 13:55
if we just had a good finisher we would be at least 4th in league need calculator to count chances missed
donald mcneil
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 5 Oct 14:06
Because I’ve no high expectations this season I’m not overly concerned about anything.
The team still look up for a fight every week and circumstances prevail as NL touched upon such as hitting the woodwork nearly every week, the red cards in successive weeks and the injury to Rudden.
Yes the final third was not creative enough yesterday but the wind has to come into consideration.
I heard multiple football reports on Sportsound and it was much the same everywhere really.
On another day we would have comfortably won that match yesterday.
We controlled it near enough throughout but we ran out of ideas especially in the second half.
Queens Park deserve some credit for defending soundly as well.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 5 Oct 14:46
We’ll have spent decent money on rudden, including presumably matching his premier league wage from livi.
Jerry wont have been cheap and will be on really good money for this level and also we paid put for young.
We also paid a fee for mcleod, not sure how much but it will have either been a bigger fee or a bigger sell on percentage I guess.
We’ll have spent a fair amount on both fees and wages since january. Jeffy was signed for sheff united for over a million at the start of the year so we’ll have paid a chunk there for sure.
Adam you think if we played Queen again tomorrow with the same team we would comfortably beat them? Not so sure and we absolutely can’t blame the wind for players choosing the wrong or safe option and not making the runs into space.
Post Edited (Sun 05 Oct 14:53)
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sun 5 Oct 14:47
I don`t think we`ve spent excessively at all, I think Cook confirmed this in at the fans forum.
Amade we got from the owners sister Bulgarian club, for him, this is a big move to get exposure in Scotland, he can excel here or get easier access to English football (even at a lower level they can pay big bucks) I can`t imagine we are paying a fortune, same for the others, they were not playing much before, so won`t be on a lot.
The only doubt is Cacares, but he was in no man`s land at Sheffield United, so I`ve no idea how that worked, I`m assuming they paid him in full to leave, I neither know nor care, none of us know and never will.
As for Easton? Can`t believe these figures, I think there was just some effort to attract him, then it grew legs, he also used it to get a ridiculous contract at the wee team-well done him and his agent.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sun 5 Oct 14:47
We couldn’t break down a very poor Queens Park team and that’s the bottom line.
Created zero golden opportunities and looked lost in the final 3rd.
We’re in for another long season.
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Topic Originator: Malcolm Canmore
Date: Sun 5 Oct 15:53
Great post, Rhinopar. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you say about the squad and performances.
“Some on here don’t seem to understand that goals………follow a Poisson distribution.” Surely the intellectual powerhouse that is DAFC.net can’t be failing to grasp that.
My dog eats meat
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sun 5 Oct 16:54
I can confirm to yous that we do have a wage structure in place, for example we had thomas across training but we were not willing to go over ayrs wage offer as it did not fit within our wage structure
I think we have spent a reasonable of money on what we believe in
I think some are slightly overreacting, however in cases as warranted as we all want to succeed, so this may require a bit of patience, and im more than willing to be patient
I know it looks as if though we splashed the cash but i dont think its the case
And i know we have had a few bad results recently, but i believe there is good fortune to come
At the end of the day if u go to the football, and get entirely raging, i dont think its for you, at the end of the day nothing changes, we can support the best we can however its not the be all and end all
Hope everyone has a good weekend :)
COYP
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sun 5 Oct 17:14
We need to rename the team "joiners" as we keep hitting the woodwork
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 5 Oct 17:34
Quote:
thebear, Sun 5 Oct 17:14
We need to rename the team "joiners" as we keep hitting the woodwork
Oaft 🤦🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sun 5 Oct 21:54
An interesting team selection in a number of ways:
Sticking with 4 at the back – I had anticipated Hamilton coming in in a sweeper-type role.
Giving Abdulai his debut (I thought he was good).
Bray, after being unable to get in the squad recently, suddenly starts, although on the left. Meanwhile MacLeod was on the right – so I think both wide midfielders were playing on the “wrong” wing.
And Amade as captain – although alternatives were limited – Gilmour or Kane possibly (another reason why I expected Hammy to play).
Ultimately It didn’t really work, although maybe we were the width of a crossbar from it doing so.
Defensively we were fairly sound but we didn’t create enough. Passing was poor – perhaps conditions were trickier at pitch level than they appeared in the stand. For me, it seemed too many player were trying too many tricks and flicks, which might work at youth or lower levels, but not so much here. Youthful impetuosity perhaps. And JCM goes down too easily in the box - he got away with one in the first half, not in the second. Just stay on your feet and try to stick the ball in the net.
Terrell was much better, and probably saved us a point, as was Stewart, who looked more like a player. Kane looked a bit off – perhaps a consequence of not being 100% fit.
So that’s the end of the first quarter – overall it’s been disappointing. Arbroath (whom we cuffed) have started better than I thought, and Ross County much worse. I still expect both teams to revert to the mean. St Johnstone have looked very good – change of manager or change of attitude? Partick are handy. Airdrie and Queen’s Park look the poorest.
We’ve a wee break until the next one – time to brush up on Chi Squared Tests perhaps?
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 5 Oct 22:23
I think it will all come good. The results will come. Hopefully this first part of our season is the worst and we improve going forward as the players get more games under their belt
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Mon 6 Oct 01:19
Malcom Canmore - As for the Poisson distribution - it`s not about fish !
It is sometimes called the distribution of rare events, and goals in football are rare events. If you know the average number of goals scored per game you can calculate the chances of not scoring, scoring once, twice etc.. Even if we on average were to score two goals a game (what St Johnstone are doing) the chance of not scoring in a game is 13.5%. A drop of half a goal to an average of 1.5 goals /game has the chance of not scoring approaching 1 in 4 games (22.3%). Our current league average goals per game is 1.11 increasing our chance of not scoring any goals in a game to a third of the games (33.0%). My point was that even if one is playing well and scoring goals like St Johnstone there is still a reasonable chance of not scoring in a game.
Many years ago I used the Poisson distribution as part of the calculations in some Bayesian Mark-Recapture Population estimation software I developed to analyse individual black rhino sighting/re-sighting data that field rangers and monitors had collected in the bush. Using these sighting data one could estimate the number of black rhinos in a reserve (with confidence levels).
Post Edited (Mon 06 Oct 08:30)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 6 Oct 06:48
Very interesting calculations, RP.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 6 Oct 07:49
Quote:
RhinoPars, Mon 6 Oct 01:19
Malcom Canmore - As for the Poisson distribution - it`s not about fish !
It is sometimes called the distribution of rare events, and goals in football are rare events. If you know the average number of goals scored per game you can calculate the chances of not scoring, scoring once, twice etc.. Even if we on average were to score two goals a game (what St Johnstone are doing) the chance of not scoring in a game is 13.5%. A drop of half a goal to an average of 1.5 goals /game has the chance of not scoring approaches 1 in 4 games (22.3%). Our current league average goals per game is 1.11 increasing our chance of not scoring any goals in a game to a third of the games (33.0%). My point was that even if one is playing well and scoring goals like St Johnstone there is still a reasonable chance of not scoring in a game.
Many years ago I used the Poisson distribution as part of the calculations in some Bayesian Mark-Recapture Population estimation software I developed to analyse individual black rhino sighting/re-sighting data that field rangers and monitors had collected in the bush. Using these sighting data one could estimate the number of black rhinos in a reserve (with confidence levels).
The distribution of statistically knowledgable Pars fans is skewed, and possibly even has a high kurtosis, because there are lies, damned lies and statistics!!! 😂
Post Edited (Mon 06 Oct 07:49)
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Mon 6 Oct 08:32
🙂
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 6 Oct 10:19
Quote:
RhinoPars, Mon 6 Oct 08:32
🙂
The work with the rhinos sounds intriguing with the Bayesian work. But I suppose that just makes me a sad individual as I love statistics at work.
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