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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 22 Oct 09:43
I`m getting the strong impression that Serie A isn`t the European powerhouse that it used to be. Last night`s hammering of Napoli by PSV Eindhoven is surely some evidence of that. The fact that players like McTominay and Hojlund become immediate successes in the league when they struggled in the English Premiership also points to the league being slightly below par.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 22 Oct 11:00
How many English teams were in the CL final last year again? 🤔
How many Italian teams were in the final?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 22 Oct 11:12
Quote:
Paralex, Wed 22 Oct 09:43
I`m getting the strong impression that Serie A isn`t the European powerhouse that it used to be. Last night`s hammering of Napoli by PSV Eindhoven is surely some evidence of that. The fact that players like McTominay and Hojlund become immediate successes in the league when they struggled in the English Premiership also points to the league being slightly below par.
Perhaps you expected me to come to Series A`s defence, Paralex, but you`re right on the money with your evaluation. Quite simply, there isn`t the money it had 30-40 years ago. Italians have not bought into Pay TV to the extent they have in Britain, so clubs can`t compete with the PL in terms of players` salaries. The very best players want to play in England, with Barca or Real in Spain and PSG or Bayern.
ETA. Many PL.clubs also have mega rich backers which Serie A doesn't have, or at least they're not making eye watering sums available.
Money talks, right enough.r
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Wed 22 Oct 11:15)
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 22 Oct 14:20
I knew any response from yourself,GG, would be objective. It just seemed that the hype concerning Scottish players such as McTominay and Gilmour starring in Serie A, was slightly overblown. McTominay probably did improve his game last season because he wasn`t closed down so quickly and had more room to flourish, but while the media were highlighting Manchester United`s folly for letting him go, I wouldn`t be convinced that he would have had anything like the success he enjoyed in Italy if he had stayed at United.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Wed 22 Oct 15:01
I was lucky enough to get tickets to Napoli`s Champions League home game against Sporting Lisbon and must say they looked impressive.
With Lukaku and Hojlund being injured is a major blow to their attacking line. Debruyne and McTominay played well in the night supplying Hojlund for his two well executed goals.
It has been a bit downhill since that night
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Wed 22 Oct 15:07
Another issue is that few clubs own their stadium, so they can`t really monetise that.
On top of that, most of the grounds I`ve been to in Italy ( been to the low dozens) are tips, many have an athletics track (why? Whose watching that much athletics?) so it`s really not attractive for many.
The main area is Italy as a country can be incredibly slow off the mark, and football is no exception, even buying a ticket is a hassle, and they haven`t tried to make it attractive to buy into
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Wed 22 Oct 15:07
Napoli have looked impressive in the games I`ve watched this season. KDB links up well with the ex Man Utd kid. I think last night was a freak result tbh.
Everybody should look at Newcastle`s 2nd goal last night to see Nick Pope`s wonderful assist.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Wed 22 Oct 15:15
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Wed 22 Oct 15:07[/
Everybody should look at Newcastle`s 2nd goal last night to see Nick Pope`s wonderful assist.
Saw it, 65 yard throw out, reminded me of Peter Schmeicel. Very quick thinking from both Pope and Barnes
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 22 Oct 17:21
Signing KDB has totally destroyed the midfield by trying to shoehorn him in.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Wed 22 Oct 18:34
Quote:
Andrew283, Wed 22 Oct 17:21
Signing KDB has totally destroyed the midfield by trying to shoehorn him in.
^^^ KDB assisted both goals against Sporting Lisbon and he was bossing midfield that night and linking up well with Hojlund
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 22 Oct 20:08
I find it odd how interested people are in another nations league. I`ll generally watch any football that`s on but I`ve no real interest in the English Premier over Serie A, for example. Why is there greater investment by foreign nationals in the English league? Is it a tax dodge, or is it genuinely because it`s considered THE league to watch? Who`s paying all this money to cover the TV budgets for the league? Do people still pay hundreds a month for Sky?!
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 22 Oct 23:06
I suppose my current interest in Serie A is because we have 3 Scottish international players in it, Scott McTominay, Billy Gilmour and Lewis Ferguson. In the past we had Denis Law playing for Torino and there was at least one other. Apart from that Gazza playing in Rome and the great AC Milan team with Van Basten and Gullit, I think, was special.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Wed 22 Oct 23:31
Quote:
Paralex, Wed 22 Oct 23:06
I suppose my current interest in Serie A is because we have 3 Scottish international players in it, Scott McTominay, Billy Gilmour and Lewis Ferguson. In the past we had Denis Law playing for Torino and there was at least one other. Apart from that Gazza playing in Rome and the great AC Milan team with Van Basten and Gullit, I think, was special.
^^^^ Che Adams also playing for Torino and faced his Scottish team mates last weekend when Torino beat Napoli 1-0
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 23 Oct 00:00
Quote:
DunfyDave, Wed 22 Oct 23:31
Quote:
Paralex, Wed 22 Oct 23:06
I suppose my current interest in Serie A is because we have 3 Scottish international players in it, Scott McTominay, Billy Gilmour and Lewis Ferguson. In the past we had Denis Law playing for Torino and there was at least one other. Apart from that Gazza playing in Rome and the great AC Milan team with Van Basten and Gullit, I think, was special.
^^^^ Che Adams also playing for Torino and faced his Scottish team mates last weekend when Torino beat Napoli 1-0
I make it 6 Scotland Internationalists in Italy now...the 4 above and also Josh Doig at Sassuolo, Lennon Miller at Udinese. In the league below, Liam Henderson at Sampdoria is there too
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Topic Originator: DNCH
Date: Fri 24 Oct 06:58
For family reasons I visit Italy at least once a year and I`ve made a point of going to see AC Milan each time and they`re absolutely rubbish. The stadium is also falling to bits. It reminds me of Love Street. and not in the sense the locals speak another language.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Fri 24 Oct 12:12
Is that Parliamo Italiano and Parliamo Glesca DNCH?
I know from my very young days that Parliamo Cowdenbeath doesn`t go down very well in Anderston.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 24 Oct 17:46
Quote:
Andrew283, Wed 22 Oct 17:21
Signing KDB has totally destroyed the midfield by trying to shoehorn him in.
I`ve read some Colin Nish on here over the years, but this has to be up there with the most outlandish claims... 🙄
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 24 Oct 18:08
He`s not wrong though...
Signing de Bruyne has meant McTominay has had to move to the left wing where isn`t comfortable anyway and means he can`t be the guy looking to crash into the box late. At rhe same time, de Bruyne is playing deeper in the centre as a quarterback type player, so the other midfielders have also had to change position, albeit only slightly.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 24 Oct 20:02
Quote:
kelty_par, Fri 24 Oct 18:08
He`s not wrong though...
Signing de Bruyne has meant McTominay has had to move to the left wing where isn`t comfortable anyway and means he can`t be the guy looking to crash into the box late. At rhe same time, de Bruyne is playing deeper in the centre as a quarterback type player, so the other midfielders have also had to change position, albeit only slightly.
Surely, it`s up to the manager to find a system to get the best out of his squad, if that`s the case? I find it impossible to accept that adding a player of KDB`s quality to a squad is going to make it poorer.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 24 Oct 21:11
Quote:
GG Riva, Fri 24 Oct 17:46
Quote:
Andrew283, Wed 22 Oct 17:21
Signing KDB has totally destroyed the midfield by trying to shoehorn him in.
I`ve read some Colin Nish on here over the years, but this has to be up there with the most outlandish claims... 🙄
From what I`ve read and heard from fans and pundits in Italy, this is exactly what is being said, last season the midfield was very well balanced, with McTominay being the key player as he could drop deep, or move further forward and totally change the whole way the side was set up, however the manager desired. This season players are being shoehorned in to fit around De Bruyne and it`s not really working
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 24 Oct 23:02
I think Conte is being pressured to play KDB by the owner. You`ll know Signor de Laurentis, GG, and you`ll know that`s entirely plausible.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 25 Oct 06:42
Quote:
kelty_par, Fri 24 Oct 23:02
I think Conte is being pressured to play KDB by the owner. You`ll know Signor de Laurentis, GG, and you`ll know that`s entirely plausible.
I haven`t followed Serie A very closely since the Calciopoli scandal in 2006, KP, but De Laurentis is well known to all italian football fans. He`s an absolute tool and often sacks managers after only a few months in post. When he sacked Rudi Garcia, he told him, "I should have sacked you the day I hired you!" 😃
I`m surprised Antonio Conte has lasted this long. He doesn`t get on with the president at all and was set to leave after delivering the Scudetto last season. It`s entirely plausible that De Laurentis wants his star signing to start every week, but Conte is not a compliant manager who would tolerate any interference from his president. Factor in the reaction of KDB himself when he was substituted after a red card v Man City in the CL and you have a powder keg that could explode at any time.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 25 Oct 18:31
Napoli doing rather well tonight.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Oct 18:45
De Bruyne (pen) and McTominay both on the score sheet!
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sat 25 Oct 19:21
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 25 Oct 18:45
De Bruyne (pen) and McTominay both on the score sheet!
^^^ Seems they do work well together 🤔👍
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sat 25 Oct 19:39
Beautiful goal from McTominay
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Sun 26 Oct 14:46
De Bruyne went off injured just after he scored a pen in 33 mins.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Tue 28 Oct 09:34
Rumours now circulating that McTominay will make a sensational return to the English Premiership in January as he is unhappy at Conte playing him out of position to accommodate KDB
Not entirely confident I believe these rumours as he is sensationally loved by the Napoli fans
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 28 Oct 09:40
Despite their troubles Napoli are still top of Serie A with 18 points from 8 games.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Tue 28 Oct 10:08
Quote:
DunfyDave, Tue 28 Oct 09:34
Rumours now circulating that McTominay will make a sensational return to the English Premiership in January as he is unhappy at Conte playing him out of position to accommodate KDB
Not entirely confident I believe these rumours as he is sensationally loved by the Napoli fans
Absolute nonsense!
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Tue 28 Oct 10:27
Quote:
WarringtonPar, Tue 28 Oct 10:08
Quote:
DunfyDave, Tue 28 Oct 09:34
Rumours now circulating that McTominay will make a sensational return to the English Premiership in January as he is unhappy at Conte playing him out of position to accommodate KDB
Not entirely confident I believe these rumours as he is sensationally loved by the Napoli fans
Absolute nonsense!
^^^^ KDB now ruled-out for 2 months so doubt there is any substance to these rumours
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 28 Oct 18:10
The article I read said he was struggling with being unable to do anything normal as the fans are so intense - but I think it’s all newspaper talk since he didn’t look like he didn’t enjoy the attention in the celebrations that seemed to last weeks
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 29 Oct 00:33
Napoli won again tonight against Lecce (If that`s how it`s spelt). 3 points clear at the top pending Roma`s game in hand. Very much doubt if McTominay or Gilmour would have the slightest desire to leave. Apart from them flying in Serie A, the thought of wintering in the balmy Napoli climate is a big selling point itself. Although, I do have two young Italian friends, from Napoli doing PhDs here in Glasgow and they want to settle here long term. No accounting for taste?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 29 Oct 11:34
McTominay is being linked to Spurs now.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Wed 29 Oct 12:03
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 29 Oct 11:34
McTominay is being linked to Spurs now.
This rumour is taken from the sun and replayed and exaggerated further by teamtalk two of the least reputable sources in football. I never believe any story that quotes ‘a source says’ or ‘he could be upset’ never actually giving any relevant interview or quote from the player.
It’s just a load of 💩
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Wed 29 Oct 13:08
The more this rumour gathers pace the less I believe it.
I was in Naples for the match against Sporting Lisbon and the affinity the fans hold for McTominay is very special.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 29 Oct 15:48
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 29 Oct 11:34
McTominay is being linked to Spurs now.
Was on the bench last night with Gilmour starting, came on after an hour in their 0-1 victory.
Maybe just controlling his game time?🤔
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 29 Oct 16:41
Quote:
WarringtonPar, Wed 29 Oct 12:03
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 29 Oct 11:34
McTominay is being linked to Spurs now.
This rumour is taken from the sun and replayed and exaggerated further by teamtalk two of the least reputable sources in football. I never believe any story that quotes ‘a source says’ or ‘he could be upset’ never actually giving any relevant interview or quote from the player.
It’s just a load of 💩
It`s just click bait, so they`ll get more advertising revenue.
ETA. There's nothing to substantiate that in the Italian media which is quite telling.
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Wed 29 Oct 16:43)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 30 Oct 17:55
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Wed 29 Oct 15:48
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 29 Oct 11:34
McTominay is being linked to Spurs now.
Was on the bench last night with Gilmour starting, came on after an hour in their 0-1 victory.
Maybe just controlling his game time?🤔
It really is a squad game especially when you’ve got league, cup and Europe to consider
COYP
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