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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 15:59
Motherwell 0-0 Celtic
Rangers 1-2 Hibs
SPFL Champ P/Off Final 1st Leg:
Alloa 1-3 Stenhousemuir FT
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 21:56)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 13 May 17:51
Wouldn`t be surprised if both contenders drop points tonight.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Wed 13 May 18:18
Hearts Win, Celtic Draw.
Celtic will pump Hearts final day and win the league on goal difference
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 13 May 18:45
Motherwell pal of mine, has said that there`s some kind of bug that`s went through the team and the team is severely depleted.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Wed 13 May 18:55
Quote:
Big T Par, Wed 13 May 18:45
Motherwell pal of mine, has said that there`s some kind of bug that`s went through the team and the team is severely depleted.
An Andy Halliday winner is on the cards then 😂
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 13 May 18:57
Quote:
Connor560, Wed 13 May 18:55
Quote:
Big T Par, Wed 13 May 18:45
Motherwell pal of mine, has said that there`s some kind of bug that`s went through the team and the team is severely depleted.
An Andy Halliday winner is on the cards then 😂
🤣🤣 Now that would be a story
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 18:57)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 13 May 19:49
No Barney Stewart in the Falkirk squad tonight.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Wed 13 May 19:54
Quote:
buffy, Wed 13 May 15:59
It could be the title winning game tonight for the Jambos if….
Hearts beat Falkirk and
Motherwell beat Celtic
or will it go to the last game of the season for the showdown between the jamtarts and second placed hoops.
Or if ye prefer something more low key but equally important, you can watch live on the BBC Scotland channel the SPFL Championship final play off first leg between
Alloa and Stenhousemuir (ko7.45pm)
Think it’s on Alba Buffy
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 19:54)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 13 May 20:01
Cracking opening goal from Ross Taylor to put Stenny 1-0 up at Alloa.
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 20:02)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 20:06
Ball in the back of the net for Falkirk but Calvin Miller was offside.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 13 May 20:07
So close
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 20:07
Hibs one up away at Ibrox
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 20:15
Stenny penalty
Goal
Alloa 0-2 Stenny
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 13 May 20:15
0-2 Stenny; pen.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 20:17
Motherwell 1-0 celtic
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Wed 13 May 20:21
Huge opportunity for Hearts if they can get a goal, it would really put the pressure on Celtic.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 13 May 20:22
Hearts have been very poor so far
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 20:30
GOALLLLLLLL
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 20:35
GOALLLLLLLL no 2 jam tarts!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Wed 13 May 20:36
Gaun the JT`s!
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 13 May 20:49
As much as I cannnae stand hertz, I want them to win the league , just not tonight. Want Celtic to go hell for leather on Saturday, get a few injuries for the following weekend.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 21:11
Wow!
Cracking third goal for Stenhousemuir
Curled into the top right hand corner from 25 yards. Absolute stoater
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Geordiepar
Date: Wed 13 May 21:19
Is Kane Richie Hosler injured. Not been in the Stenny squad for last 3-4 games at least?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 21:21
I saw him going to training a couple of days ago and he looked ok (perhaps a hidden injury of course). Maybe being rested for the second leg?
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 21:25)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 21:36
Alloa get one back but it’s FT ~ 1-3
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 21:37)
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 13 May 21:40
Motherwell doing well (boom boom). In fact just equalised
They’re wearing a funny looking strip though
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 21:40)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 21:41
GOALLLLLLLL Motherwell!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 21:41
Quote:
DBP, Wed 13 May 21:40
Motherwell doing well (boom boom). In fact just equalised
They’re wearing a funny looking strip though
It’s a 140 year celebration of their club shirt
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 13 May 21:43
Ah ok - hearts could do with another goal or two - just so Celtic have to win by a big margin
Or better still Motherwell get another goal or two!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 21:45
GOALLLLLLLL no3 for hearts!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 May 21:46
Quote:
DBP, Wed 13 May 21:43
Ah ok - hearts could do with another goal or two - just so Celtic have to win by a big margin
Or better still Motherwell get another goal or two!
My maths may be wrong, but Celtic would "only" need three goals to steal it on the last day.
ETA: FFS Hearts just mucked up my maths now!
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 21:46)
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Wed 13 May 21:46
Quote:
DBP, Wed 13 May 21:43
Ah ok - hearts could do with another goal or two - just so Celtic have to win by a big margin
Or better still Motherwell get another goal or two!
If it stays like this they need to win by 4 at the weekend?
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 21:47)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 21:47
The noise emanating from Tynecastle is immense and I’m listening to the radio!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 13 May 21:47
5 mins additional time starting in Celtic well game
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 21:48
It’s exciting eh
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 21:49)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 May 21:50
Rangers losing
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Wed 13 May 21:50
Quote:
DBP, Wed 13 May 21:43
Ah ok - hearts could do with another goal or two - just so Celtic have to win by a big margin
Or better still Motherwell get another goal or two!
One doesn`t really make any difference, need another one (having just made it 3).
Having lost the league on the last day in 1965 on goal average, 1986 on goal difference, as things stand with a minute or two to play, it could be on goals scored this year.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 13 May 21:52
Penalty incoming for Celtic?!?!?
No way!!! Joke
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 21:53)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 May 21:53
Honestly...
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 21:53
Penalty it is
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 May 21:54
What a joke
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Wed 13 May 21:54
Scandalous. After the penalty they didn’t give Hearts at the weekend, that is an utter disgrace.
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 22:01)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 May 21:56
Just goes to show what the provincial clubs are up against.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 21:56
That’s an absolute disgrace
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 13 May 21:56
That makes a huge difference for Saturday
Really hope hearts do it now
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 13 May 21:57
What`s the effin point.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 21:57
Hope Hearts absolutely hump them on Saturday!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Wed 13 May 21:57
Cannae be having one of these wee teams winning the league I suppose. There’s a hard earned status quo to maintain…
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 13 May 21:58
Scandalous.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 13 May 21:59
Rangers hordes will be in meltdown about added on time and last gasp penalty.
Hearts fans a close second.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 13 May 22:00
Mental, absolutely mental
MON HEARTS FCKIN DINNAE GET BEAT ON SATURDAY
OH AND KICK FVK OOT O THUM TAE
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 22:04)
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Wed 13 May 22:00
Celtic get a penalty in the 7th minute of the 5 added time!!! Play till they score again!! Never a penalty either - absolute disgrace
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 13 May 22:01
They aren’t even trying to hide it now……
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Topic Originator: Parallel Lines
Date: Wed 13 May 22:01
5 mins added time at Fir Park...aye right!
Till Celtic score more like.
I looked for my pet in all the books on animals and birds and then I found it in the Book of Revelations.Marty Feldman
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 13 May 22:02
Will that bellend Sutton be complaining about this one? I suspect not.
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Topic Originator: Polt
Date: Wed 13 May 22:02
Forgive me I haven’t watched the game but 10 mins added time is becoming a joke. Just read it was meant to be 5. Why so much?
It boils my steam seeing them get a goal. Truly want hearts to win the league and us the cup. Leave the dirty sisters with nada !!
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Topic Originator: Townsvillepar
Date: Wed 13 May 22:03
Disgraceful penalty, it makes me sick. Hearts please do it on Saturday for the rest of Scotland who hate the ugly sisters. Then the Pars rub it in the following week
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Wed 13 May 22:04
The ball went out of play on the 96th minute of 5 added and let Celtic take a throw in and give them a ridiculous penalty. Corrupt or whit.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 22:05
Agree, TP
Tierney went off injured so we need Tod to take oot Maeda and Nygren
😉
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Wed 13 May 22:07
The timing was crap obviously but it was a penalty for handball
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Topic Originator: par-ticular
Date: Wed 13 May 22:07
Given the fact that the goal was scored 9 mins into 5 mins of injury time, says it all. !!
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Wed 13 May 22:10
Quote:
par-ticular, Wed 13 May 22:07
Given the fact that the goal was scored 9 mins into 5 mins of injury time, says it all. !!
Absolutely
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 13 May 22:16
94.45 on the clock when play was delayed for a VAR check.
It`s still sucking the life out of the game
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 22:16
Tom English on BBC text says
“The defender jumps with his left arm up and his fist is right on his head as the ball lands.”
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Wed 13 May 22:16
The hand ball must have been close to being in added on time as Beaton was at the monitor with 96 minutes on the clock.
I want Hearts to win the league but that was a penalty, wtf was the Motherwell player doing ?
There might be old firm bias but that wasn’t it.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 13 May 22:16
Took them 10 seconds to watch two grainy far away images today to give a dodgey penalty…….took them 5 minutes to watch replays and deny a stonewaller for Hearts at the weekend…….and thats not to add in the Johnston red and offside goal from the OF either 🤷🏻♂️ McInnes will be banned from touchline on Sat based on how angry he will be.
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Wed 13 May 22:17
It`s fixed. Always will be to those two. Hearts should be Champions tonight. They were denied a stone-wall penalty against Motherwell and now Celtic getting a non-entity penalty. Scottish football could genuinely be one of if not the most corrupt league in Europe.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Wed 13 May 22:21
Hand ball rule really needs looked at.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Wed 13 May 22:21
Quote:
Parfect69, Wed 13 May 22:07
The timing was crap obviously but it was a penalty for handball
Can I change my mind. Just saw it again. The boy headers it out for a throw in.His hand was close though. Don’t think it was a penalty
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Wed 13 May 22:21
Sickening.
Referees in our country are beyond a joke. Hearts denied at the weekend and Celtic given.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Wed 13 May 22:23
It’s a scandalous decision for me.. it’s physically impossible to slap the ball that distance. Said with 5 minutes to go they’d find something on VAR to give Celtic a chance, it’s happened countless times for both sides of the OF.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Wed 13 May 22:33
The cheats were desperately looking for anything. The guy headers it. Would the ball go that far with a handball?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 22:34
It’s going to be absolute carnage on Saturday.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 13 May 22:37
Squeaky bums down Gorgie now - the spectre of ‘65 and ‘86 rises from the archives 😱
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 22:40
Derek McInnes is furious.
“When they were checking a 96th minute penalty, you assume they [Celtic] are getting it," Hearts head coach Derek McInnes tells Sky Sports.
"It`s disgusting. We`re up against everybody. I don`t think it`s a penalty.
"If I`m Motherwell, I`m really disappointed. It`s so poor and it looks as though [Celtic] have been given it. They are very fortunate.
"It`s going to the last game. We`re delighted to be part of it.
"To do it, we`re going to have to go and get a positive result. What a game it`s going to be."
We’re up against everybody.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 22:41)
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Topic Originator: Kessel
Date: Wed 13 May 22:42
Quote:
buffy, Wed 13 May 22:40
Derek McInnes is furious.
“When they were checking a 96th minute penalty, you assume they [Celtic] are getting it," Hearts head coach Derek McInnes tells Sky Sports.
"It`s disgusting. We`re up against everybody. I don`t think it`s a penalty.
"If I`m Motherwell, I`m really disappointed. It`s so poor and it looks as though [Celtic] have been given it. They are very fortunate.
"It`s going to the last game. We`re delighted to be part of it.
"To do it, we`re going to have to go and get a positive result. What a game it`s going to be."
Up against everyone.
A Hun being upset. Hahahahahahaha.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Wed 13 May 22:44
It looks like Trusty going into the defenders arm with his shoulder, and it`s that contact that puts his hand to his head... If Trusty isn`t there, the defender arms come down as leverage when heading the ball and there`s no incident
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Wed 13 May 22:45
The penalty was awarded in the 96th minute although I suspect the game might have went on longer until Celtic got a chance
Are Celtic fans on a warning for invading the park at the Old Firm cup game?
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Wed 13 May 22:48
The penalty is the correct decision as it was a clear handball.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 22:49
Spot the Celtic fan
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Wed 13 May 23:00
The only thing that’s clear and obvious is the corruption.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Wed 13 May 23:00
I don`t know if that comment was directed toward me, but I can assure you that I am no Celtic fan.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 May 23:06
It wasn’t, Chris.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Wed 13 May 23:12
The Cellic apologists on here will be conflicted next Saturday ,who will they be shouting for.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Wed 13 May 23:23
``I don`t know if that comment was directed toward me, but I can assure you that I am no Celtic fan.``
You are wrong though. The Celtic player causes the arm to move towards the ball. It can`t be deliberate handball by the Motherwell player. His arm is in an unatural position because the Celtic player has nudged him.
The fact the ref takes such a short time to conclude that`s a penalty is very questionable.
Pars may have been up against it in the cup final player for player but the fact there are external sources acting as a fail safe if Celtic are struggling, shows you how difficult it is being a team outside the old scum.
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 23:24)
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Wed 13 May 23:23
Okay, Buffy, and I still feel Hearts will get over the line on Saturday.
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Topic Originator: Skid Chicane
Date: Wed 13 May 23:29
I`m struggling to understand how that incident in any way was "a clear handball". Help me out....
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Wed 13 May 23:31
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Wed 13 May 23:12
The Cellic apologists on here will be conflicted next Saturday ,who will they be shouting for.
100%. You’ll have “pars fans” congratulating them after we get done by a dubious penalty and a red card that’s barely a foul.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 13 May 23:39
Compare the soft penalties the OF get compared with the one we didn`t get last night.
Michael Stewart claims there have bèen 6 VAR decisions in games recently which have all gone against Hearts in their quest for the title.
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Topic Originator: broontroot
Date: Thu 14 May 00:01
Stonewall penalty , hit his hand , im no fussed who wins the league before any accusations come in
Post Edited (Thu 14 May 00:02)
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 14 May 00:02
Just watched the highlights…. never a pen. It was a header. Utterly disgraceful decision..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Thu 14 May 00:05
Hits his hand?
I thought they were claiming that the Motherwell boys elbow and/or hand hit the Celtic player’s head?
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Topic Originator: broontroot
Date: Thu 14 May 00:15
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Thu 14 May 00:05
Hits his hand?
I thought they were claiming that the Motherwell boys elbow and/or hand hit the Celtic player’s head?
Never watched the game so dont know what they were claiming the penalty for , seen all the comments on FB so watched the incident about 10 times ,and seen pictures of the ball clearly hitting his hand , looks a clear penalty to me
Post Edited (Thu 14 May 00:16)
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Thu 14 May 00:49
Get use to it folks we are getting the exact same treatment next weekend against the chunts
Post Edited (Thu 14 May 00:49)
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Thu 14 May 01:29
But I can`t see why it was a pen. His hand only acted as if it was part of his head. It made no difference if his hand was there or not, he didn`t use it to push the ball away. His head pushed his hand against the ball. Head, hand and ball were all in contact simultaneously. OCH! It`s such a stinker if it costs them the title.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 14 May 05:03
Yeah on reflection it does look like handball - just really wanted hearts to have best possible chance for Saturday.
Don’t think mcinnes should (publicly anyway) come out with the whole siege mentality stuff - that’s put me off them a bit
Post Edited (Thu 14 May 05:04)
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Topic Originator: par-ticular
Date: Thu 14 May 06:14
Can someone explain why we had so much injury time, to begin with? Were there that many stoppages in the second half ? That’s my bone of contention
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 14 May 06:41
Scottish football is utter ly corrupt, i mean, we all know it but that was a scandal.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Thu 14 May 06:49
It was a foul throw in anyway as the Celtic players foot was over the line with the linesman standing right there.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Thu 14 May 06:56
I thought they were looking at the elbow to the Celtic guy`s pus then suddenly it`s a handball.
Knew what was coming as soon as it was "delayed".
Hearts wouldn`t have won the title yet with a Celtic draw, so they still have to go get at least a point at Parkhead & it`s still in their own hands.
The only thing it changes is that Celtic just need to win, rather than score x amount of goals.
Hearts are more than capable of an away draw this season & fully deserve the title if they can see it through.
No fan of either team but this challenge has been infinitely miles better than one cheek winning at a canter.
Hopefully we can get a more sustained challenge in the next few years and other teams can step up.
COME ON YE PARS!
Post Edited (Thu 14 May 06:59)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 14 May 08:10
Quote:
Hoolie, Thu 14 May 06:49
It was a foul throw in anyway as the Celtic players foot was over the line with the linesman standing right there.
That rule died out a while back when nearly every throw was a foul throw. Think the rule these days id as long as one foot is on or behind the line its fine 🤔
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Thu 14 May 08:24
In the Cup final and a Celtic player puts his hand above his head and touches the ball are we all saying it’s not a penalty? Now whether we get it is another matter but it’s still a penalty.
I hope that Hearts win the league and don’t doubt that the Old Firm benefit favourably from decisions but I don’t think this is one of them, the incident happened within the added on time, Motherwell looked just as likely to score which would have handed Hearts the league as well.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 14 May 08:38
What does Motherwell looking likely to score have to do with it?
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Thu 14 May 08:50
Re the assertion that 5 minutes added on was excessive and for Celtic`s benefit.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Thu 14 May 08:54
Simply a scandalous decision in that big a situation. You can watch 100 replays of it and there`s still no conclusive evidence to go against the on-field decision from the referee.
VAR needs to stop trying to re-referee games and only step in when there`s a glaringly obvious error that has been missed. Would they have stepped in for the foul on Matty Todd on Tuesday night? I have my doubts.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Thu 14 May 09:07
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 14 May 08:38
What does Motherwell looking likely to score have to do with it?[/
The conspiracy that the 5 minutes added on was so Celtic could score when anyone watching the game could see that it was just as likely Motherwell could find a goal.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Thu 14 May 13:09
Ref: Westies squint kicks Thu 14 May 08:24
`In the Cup final and a Celtic player puts his hand above his head and touches the ball are we all saying it’s not a penalty? Now whether we get it is another matter but it’s still a penalty.`
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His hand wasn`t above his head though - a la Maradona - it was flat against his forehead and he didn`t attempt to divert the ball with his hand. I suppose you could call it an unnatural position but it`s where the law needs changing so that accidental handball, or when no advantage is gained, should be no penalty. Otherwise you could have a goalie taking a goal kick that accidentally strikes his team-mates hand in the box, given as a penalty when there`s no opponent within 50 yards. The rule is supposed to penalise unfair advantage, but like many rules it`s upheld for the sake of it.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Thu 14 May 13:24
Lenny: Chris, hold Tierneys hand and pull it to an unnatural position.
Matty, blast the ball at Tierny’s arm.
Penalty or not. Who is to say who is holding whose hand. I would be trying it on for sure now.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Thu 14 May 13:48
definite corruption !
additional time was far too excessive - looking for an excuse to give Celtic a goal
motherwell players hand was pushed up by the Celtic players shoulder, and definitely not intentional. no way a penalty.
now, when you see Bobo Balde`s hand, thats a different story and a penalty.
always things are enableb for Celtic and Rangers
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Topic Originator: Polt
Date: Thu 14 May 21:58
If only Motherwell had an excellent penalty saving goalkeeper ….. ohh wait
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Thu 14 May 22:08
Quote:
Polt, Thu 14 May 21:58
If only Motherwell had an excellent penalty saving goalkeeper ….. ohh wait
Said the same to my son last night.
If we somehow took Celtic to penalties in the cup there`s only one winner.
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Thu 14 May 22:30
If the ball hits a hand and can travel 20 yards back out for another throw ??
VAR has destroyed this game.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Thu 14 May 23:06
Think we need to hear from the Motherwell player,to clarify this.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 15 May 06:41
Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Thu 14 May 08:24
In the Cup final and a Celtic player puts his hand above his head and touches the ball are we all saying it’s not a penalty? Now whether we get it is another matter but it’s still a penalty.
I hope that Hearts win the league and don’t doubt that the Old Firm benefit favourably from decisions but I don’t think this is one of them, the incident happened within the added on time, Motherwell looked just as likely to score which would have handed Hearts the league as well.
Good post, Westie.
As I said on the conspiracy thread, there`s a lot of hypocrisy swilling around. There`s absolutely no way Beaton and Dallas conspired to give Celtic a potentially title winning penalty in added on time. Why would they leave themselves open to charges of cheating and corruption if they weren`t absolutely sure of the decision in their own minds?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 15 May 07:01
Quote:
GG Riva, Fri 15 May 06:41
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Westies squint kicks, Thu 14 May 08:24
In the Cup final and a Celtic player puts his hand above his head and touches the ball are we all saying it’s not a penalty? Now whether we get it is another matter but it’s still a penalty.
I hope that Hearts win the league and don’t doubt that the Old Firm benefit favourably from decisions but I don’t think this is one of them, the incident happened within the added on time, Motherwell looked just as likely to score which would have handed Hearts the league as well.
Good post, Westie.
As I said on the conspiracy thread, there`s a lot of hypocrisy swilling around. There`s absolutely no way Beaton and Dallas conspired to give Celtic a potentially title winning penalty in added on time. Why would they leave themselves open to charges of cheating and corruption if they weren`t absolutely sure of the decision in their own minds?
Collective Silo would be my thoughts. I think the transcripts need to be released after the season finishes to protect what would come from this. Was there any challenges between the pair. As I said earlier the system in one of the threads, the system is clearly broken with this much debate. I wouldn’t say conspiracy or cheating, I think it is indecision due to no clear guardrails in their decision process.
Personally I think it is absolutely the wrong decision having played football, but the letter of the law is being argued here and as such, to me, the system is broken.
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft21346327964
Date: Fri 15 May 07:05
The biggest issue in Scottish football is tho it was down the other end or as you say if it happens in the cup final it would never be a penalty Celtic get the ify calls when other teams don’t against them and when it happened I said one thing that doesn’t look like a hand ball but if someone finds an angle that shows it hitting his hand I would agree it’s a handball but the 1 angle Beaton gets because stick with me this is the main problem here he goes over to var gets a wide shot takes 15 seconds you cannot tell if it hits his hand or not and points to the spot
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 15 May 07:52
The fact people are still debating this two days later suggests the officials got this wrong.
Clear and obvious it most definitely wasn’t.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 15 May 08:05
I think people are still debating it, because of the ramifications on where the league title ends up; magnified as this could be the first time in over 40 years(?) that it could be someone outside the ugly sisters.
Motherwell had a bit of a sustained attack directly before that incident and had almost scored two or three times, so any great conspiracy would have blown the whistle earlier to prevent hearts winning it there and then if they had scored. In the cold light of day, disappointing as it is, it did look like it hit his hand first and I’d be fuming if that wasn’t given to us as it was a penalty.
That said, Celtic still need to beat hearts and given how frail Celtic looked against Motherwell, I feel there’s still a very good chance hearts can go there and get a result
Post Edited (Fri 15 May 08:06)
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Fri 15 May 08:34
The chat about the time added on is a non starter. Additional time is a minimum of X minutes, so if they add on, say, four minutes but there are further stoppages, that time will be added on as well. I don’t see many valid complaints there.
My issue is that this is yet another example of the inadequate standard of refereeing. We’ve seen examples of poor officiating in every Scottish league this season. Inconsistent VAR decisions, missed penalties, soft red cards, offsides not being reviewed properly, and obvious fouls being ignored. Fans, managers, and players across the country have all raised concerns about the lack of consistency and accountability from officials. The fact none of our officials are going to the world cup doesn`t come as a surprise to me. Even the so called best officials in the Scottish game can`t make consistent calls. We seen Nick Walsh struggle to make big calls when VAR isn`t there to clean up his mess.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Fri 15 May 08:54
We need much more transparency with refereeing across the board, not just in regards to VAR.
Referees should be compelled to publicly explain their reasons for making a contentious decision, either in a post-match interview or a statement released shortly after the match.
Using this case as an example, the ref made a call, then was advised to check VAR, then changed his mind. That`s fine, that`s all within his rights and is exactly what VAR was introduced to allow. Where it falls very short of acceptable is the silence as to why these series of decisions were made, what did he originally see, and what did he subsequently see to call a penalty. What particular guidelines was he thinking of when he formed his opinion, and what thought process did he go through?
If there was much more transparency then refs would be given more respect, and therefore their decisions would be respected. Equally, if a call was made in the heat of the moment that the ref then realised was incorrect post-match, own it. Admit it, and move on. Every team has had decisions go for them and against them, that`s the nature of the game. Honesty and explanation would go a long way to breaking down the barriers between referees and the rest of the game.
This closed-door unapproachable and unaccountable cotton-wooling of referees is creating situations like this, which could easily have been nipped in the bud by either an admission of a mistake or an explanation of why the call was made in accordance with the laws.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Fri 15 May 09:34
I saw a post on Reddit I largely agree with. It does sound slightly conspiracy theory like but makes good points.
Whether he touched the the ball with his hand is largely irrelevant.
The first thing you have to ask yourself is whether the referee saw enough in the 15seconds or so he was at the monitor to say with 100% absolute certainty that it was a foul. Not the super zoomed screenshots, not the alternate angle shown here - in real time, based on the angles he was shown at the screen, did he see enough in those 15 seconds to be 100% certain? Based on what we saw - the answer to that is no.
The second part of this is the question of whether or not it was or wasn’t a handball. The first part of law 12 states ‘Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.’ - straight away this puts the whole ‘look at this pic - it’s clear he touched it’ narrative under some scrutiny….. it’s not as simple as did he touch it yes or no.
The first consideration is - was it deliberate? The answer is almost certainly NO. That much isn’t up for debate.
The second part is - did he make his body artificially bigger? This means, did he extend his arm outwith the normal silhouette of his body to allow contact that wouldn’t otherwise be possible. For example - if you stand in a wall at a free kick, with your hands over your Crown Jewels and I kick the ball directly at your hand - that’s not a hand ball. If you stood with your hand on your chest and I kicked a ball at it - again, no hand ball as it would have otherwise hit your chest. The same applies here - his hand is in front of his forehead and within the silhouette of his body. In this regard - even if it DOES hit his hand, that doesn’t make it a foul.
The third part is the only element where there’s any sort of contention and that’s whether or not the hand was in a position which was not justifiable or a consequence of the players body movement. If he was on his own here, you could perhaps argue that his hand is in a position which is not justifiable by the body movement. However - that’s not what’s happened here, he has jumped for a challenge with an attacking player, and as a result of the contact with their shoulder, his arm has been diverted in front of his face.
Is the positioning of his arm justifiable based on that movement….. I would say entirely so.
Stick all that together and there’s just no way it can be considered a penalty, whether it hits his hand or not. And that’s on top of the fact the referee did not have enough evidence at his disposal to 100% satisfy himself anyway.
We`re really making an bottom of VAR. If it was `clear and obvious` there wouldn`t have been chat about it constantly for two days, with input from all over the world.
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