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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 11 May 15:14
Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Mon 11 May 15:05
Is Lennys pal, Duncan Nicolson
A referee who is that incompetent should not be getting a game of this magnitude.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 11 May 15:26
Was it him v Partick earlier this season when Jefferson got redded, and he missed an absolutely blatant foul and a red card on Kane?
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft21346327964
Date: Mon 11 May 15:29
And the Ross county game where I still don’t think he got any decision right to this day
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Mon 11 May 15:31
This is going to be fun.
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Mon 11 May 15:36
Quote:
Bandy, Mon 11 May 15:26
Was it him v Partick earlier this season when Jefferson got redded, and he missed an absolutely blatant foul and a red card on Kane?
It was indeed
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 May 15:57
Willie Collum seems to have a great sense of humour!
I think Mr Nicolson alse ref`d the recent game at Ayr and gave us a penalty!
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Mon 11 May 16:07
he did indeed do the recent Ayr game
also missed the forearm smash in the Thistle vs St Johnstone game
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Mon 11 May 16:28
Surely if the manager and referee have history, they shouldn’t be assigned to a Dunfermline game? Especially when there isn’t even a full card of fixtures. Then again, I expect nothing less from the SFA.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Mon 11 May 16:51
Another incompetent buffoon after that donkey Dickinson on Friday night. Let`s just hope he doesn`t have any major decisions to make....
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Mon 11 May 16:54
Was he also in charge when the partick player clotheslined Alfons Amade off the ball?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 12 May 22:35
Another shambolic performance from this useless article of a ref
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 12 May 23:02
The SPFL must be ashamed of a referees performance like that, especially on national TV?
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Tue 12 May 23:02
Atrocious.
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Tue 12 May 23:05
From Amy Canavan`s BBC updates
20:47 BST
HT: Dunfermline Athletic 1-1 Partick Thistle
Really cannot underplay the volume of the boos directed towards the officials when they left the park.
They’ve just returned to similar levels.
He was absolutely hopeless a disgrace to referee`s and deserved the abuse
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Topic Originator: Turps
Date: Tue 12 May 23:06
Quote:
Par, Tue 12 May 23:05
From Amy Canavan`s BBC updates
20:47 BST
HT: Dunfermline Athletic 1-1 Partick Thistle
Really cannot underplay the volume of the boos directed towards the officials when they left the park.
They’ve just returned to similar levels.
He was absolutely hopeless a disgrace to referee`s and deserved the abuse
Was ths last bit from Amy? :)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 12 May 23:08
Well I vented at him during the match re the "Stonewall" penaltys that he refused us. After checking the replay on i player, none of them were penaltys.
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Tue 12 May 23:09
Was ths last bit from Amy? :)
You could tell she was thinking it :)
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Tue 12 May 23:09
he got promoted to the FIFA list at the start of the year, that says it all about the standard of officials in the country.
it wont be him on Friday but it doesnt matter nowadays, it wont be any better and thats a massive problem.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Tue 12 May 23:12
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 12 May 23:08
Well I vented at him during the match re the "Stonewall" penaltys that he refused us. After checking the replay on i player, none of them were penaltys.
Matty Todds was a penalty, no question.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Wed 13 May 01:02
That is a penalty,all day long. I was at the game,and was level with it in main stand.
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 01:03)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 13 May 02:09
Quote:
twin par, Wed 13 May 01:02
That is a penalty,all day long. I was at the game,and was level with it in main stand.
Im in two minds. The pundits all said outside the box, so a foul.
Im listening but it was very close to the Denmark penalty
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Wed 13 May 05:46
Quote:
PARrot, Wed 13 May 02:09
Quote:
twin par, Wed 13 May 01:02
That is a penalty,all day long. I was at the game,and was level with it in main stand.
Im in two minds. The pundits all said outside the box, so a foul.
Im listening but it was very close to the Denmark penalty
It was a stonewall red card irrespective of whether it was inside or outside the box
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 13 May 06:19
No, it wasn’t a red card.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 13 May 06:35
The officials were awful in both directions last night but we suffered more.
A definitely penalty and booking for me last night. And if it wasn`t a penalty I can`t understand why it wasn`t a booking for simulation.
Ashcroft did enough for a red last night from my view cumulatively (appreciate it might not have happened if the correct early booking was given).
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Wed 13 May 07:56
Ashcroft will do anything if he continues to get away with it, which he did. Awful refereeing.
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Wed 13 May 08:22
If the foul continues into the box it`s a pen
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Wed 13 May 08:39
Quote:
PARrot, Wed 13 May 02:09
Quote:
twin par, Wed 13 May 01:02
That is a penalty,all day long. I was at the game,and was level with it in main stand.
Im in two minds. The pundits all said outside the box, so a foul.
Im listening but it was very close to the Denmark penalty
Not true. They said it was a foul, but whether it continues into the box was the question.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 13 May 08:56
Quote:
Athletico, Wed 13 May 08:39
Quote:
PARrot, Wed 13 May 02:09
Quote:
twin par, Wed 13 May 01:02
That is a penalty,all day long. I was at the game,and was level with it in main stand.
Im in two minds. The pundits all said outside the box, so a foul.
Im listening but it was very close to the Denmark penalty
Not true. They said it was a foul, but whether it continues into the box was the question.
Whatever the `right` decision was giving a goal kick was absolutely the worst decision.
A clear, obvious, foul robbed us of a great attacking situation, and the result is thistle getting possession.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 13 May 09:01
If Thistle go up they better ditch Ashcroft. VAR will shaft him and his antics every week.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 13 May 09:12
You would have thought for an important match like that the SFA would avoid appointing a referee who had `previous` with one of the clubs but I suppose that might imply that the officials weren`t up to standard so wouldn`t happen. Are our refs really as bad as we claim or is that just fans` bias?
I`m keen to see a replay of the Todd incident but so far the only highlights on the BBC Sport website are the goals and they miss the glorious crossfield pass which started the move for our goal.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Wed 13 May 09:19
It`s without doubt a foul at the very least and the legs tangle in the box as well. Ashcroft could`ve very easily been off the park in that game if we had a competent referee.
Nicolson has been abysmal every time I`ve seen him, for whatever reason he`s being labelled as an up and coming referee by the SFA. He`s utterly lost in these games and completely inconsistent as well.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 13 May 09:39
"You would have thought for an important match like that the SFA would avoid appointing a referee who had `previous` with one of the clubs"
as stated above he had "previous" with both where he didnt send off a st johnstone player for a forearm smash on a thistle player where he was subsequently banned by discuiplinary panel. His last match with us there was no "drama" in the 2-0 win at Ayr and awarded us a pen.
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft21346327964
Date: Wed 13 May 09:43
Which is actually quite funny because I think the one last night is way more of a pen than the one at Ayr
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Wed 13 May 10:00
The MattyTodd incident was at least a free kick if not a penalty. We had scored from a similar move earlier so an obvious foul. Ashcroft should have been booked which would have changed his game approach.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 13 May 10:06
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 13 May 09:12
You would have thought for an important match like that the SFA would avoid appointing a referee who had `previous` with one of the clubs but I suppose that might imply that the officials weren`t up to standard so wouldn`t happen. Are our refs really as bad as we claim or is that just fans` bias?
I`m keen to see a replay of the Todd incident but so far the only highlights on the BBC Sport website are the goals and they miss the glorious crossfield pass which started the move for our goal.
The SFA don’t appoint officials to SPFL fixtures.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 13 May 10:31
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 13 May 09:12
You would have thought for an important match like that the SFA would avoid appointing a referee who had `previous` with one of the clubs but I suppose that might imply that the officials weren`t up to standard so wouldn`t happen. Are our refs really as bad as we claim or is that just fans` bias?
I`m keen to see a replay of the Todd incident but so far the only highlights on the BBC Sport website are the goals and they miss the glorious crossfield pass which started the move for our goal.
A slippery slope, wee eck. While I agree that Nicholson was worse than useless, clubs cannot ever be allowed to influence the choice of referee for their games.
Celtic would never want John Beaton
Rangers, Willie Colm, etc.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 13 May 11:14
`The SFA don’t appoint officials to SPFL fixtures.`
I would still make the same pointb regardless of who appoints them.
`A slippery slope, wee eck. While I agree that Nicholson was worse than useless, clubs cannot ever be allowed to influence the choice of referee for their games.`
I wasn`t suggesting clubs should influence the choice of referee. I`d actually be interested to know the factors that do influence the choice of referee. Are they drawn out of a hat?
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Wed 13 May 11:36
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 13 May 11:14
`The SFA don’t appoint officials to SPFL fixtures.`
I would still make the same pointb regardless of who appoints them.
`A slippery slope, wee eck. While I agree that Nicholson was worse than useless, clubs cannot ever be allowed to influence the choice of referee for their games.`
I wasn`t suggesting clubs should influence the choice of referee. I`d actually be interested to know the factors that do influence the choice of referee. Are they drawn out of a hat?
I think a lucky bag more than a hat would be appropriate.
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Topic Originator: Leamington_sPAR
Date: Wed 13 May 13:07
Quote:
PARrot, Wed 13 May 02:09
Quote:
twin par, Wed 13 May 01:02
That is a penalty,all day long. I was at the game,and was level with it in main stand.
Im in two minds. The pundits all said outside the box, so a foul.
Im listening but it was very close to the Denmark penalty
I believe that if the foul continues into the box it’s deemed a penalty, he clearly had his across his shoulder to impede progress.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 13 May 13:38
GG is correct - clubs will never be allowed to influence the selection of match referees.
Going back years Big Jock had a particularly strong aversion to Bobby Davidson - but no consideration was given to him not refereeing future Celtic games following the 1970 Scottish cup final which was the root cause of their bad relationship.
Post Edited (Wed 13 May 13:39)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 13 May 13:40
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 13 May 11:14
`The SFA don’t appoint officials to SPFL fixtures.`
I would still make the same pointb regardless of who appoints them.
`A slippery slope, wee eck. While I agree that Nicholson was worse than useless, clubs cannot ever be allowed to influence the choice of referee for their games.`
I wasn`t suggesting clubs should influence the choice of referee. I`d actually be interested to know the factors that do influence the choice of referee. Are they drawn out of a hat?
I know you weren`t suggesting that, but if those who appoint referees were to think e.g. We better not give Nicholson the Pars v Partick game because he and Neil Lennon fell out earlier this season, then that`s a club employee influencing what should be a random (arbitrary) decision...
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 13 May 14:09
The highlights are now up so you can all judge the Todd incident for yourselves.
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Wed 13 May 14:21
All the radio and tv pundits agreed it was, at the very least, a foul. Also a lot of agreement that big Ash’s treatment of Tod deserved bookings!
Maybe a clear case for VAR?
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Wed 13 May 14:24
Quote:
SeasonedPar, Wed 13 May 14:21
All the radio and tv pundits agreed it was, at the very least, a foul. Also a lot of agreement that big Ash’s treatment of Tod deserved bookings!
Maybe a clear case for VAR?
The issue with the clear case for VAR is the cost. How are Inverness, Arbroath etc of this world going to be able to stump up for it?
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft21346327964
Date: Wed 13 May 14:27
and all it’s going to change is we’ll sit here at the end of games and go how on earth did the ref and var miss that foul because you can’t 100% say the foul was in the box so they would go ahh we don’t want to make that decision just stick with the on field var just shifted the blame from big decisions from the refs head to the vars head
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Wed 13 May 16:54
Quote:
Connor560, Wed 13 May 14:24
Quote:
SeasonedPar, Wed 13 May 14:21
All the radio and tv pundits agreed it was, at the very least, a foul. Also a lot of agreement that big Ash’s treatment of Tod deserved bookings!
Maybe a clear case for VAR?
The issue with the clear case for VAR is the cost. How are Inverness, Arbroath etc of this world going to be able to stump up for it?
While the cost is reducing all the time, I’d agree it’s an extra shared cost for clubs. In bigger games like last night’s, I’m suggesting VAR might be useful.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 13 May 16:58
Does it have high fixed costs of installation which mean it is not economical to install it for the odd game, so it`s got to be for the season and all clubs would have to comply?
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Topic Originator: 1885_ChillPar
Date: Wed 13 May 17:11
Will be used for the final should we make it through.
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Wed 13 May 17:22
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 13 May 16:58
Does it have high fixed costs of installation which mean it is not economical to install it for the odd game, so it`s got to be for the season and all clubs would have to comply?
No idea, Wee Eck, but technology is getting smaller and cheaper. I’m really meaning VAR in principle.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 13 May 17:47
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 13 May 13:38
GG is correct - clubs will never be allowed to influence the selection of match referees.
Going back years Big Jock had a particularly strong aversion to Bobby Davidson - but no consideration was given to him not refereeing future Celtic games following the 1970 Scottish cup final which was the root cause of their bad relationship.
The Calciopoli scandal in Serie A, which was uncovered in 2006, was basically exactly that. Two referee designators went along with the wishes of senior employees of several clubs, including Milan, Lazio and Juventus. The latter`s Mr Fixit, Luciano Moggi had the most evidence against him. He was suspended sine die. Juve were stripped of 2 titles and demoted to Serie B. The only major club not implicated in the scandal was Inter and they were awarded the 2006 Scudetto. It later turned out that the man who tapped into the mobile phones of the Fixits was an Inter fan and he hadn`t felt it was necessary to flag up Inter`s involvement, but by this time, it was too late to sanction the Milan club, as the statute of limitations had been exceeded.
Just a few weeks ago, the current referee designator, Gianluca Rocchi, an Inter fan, has suspended himself after allegations that he obliged his club by not assigning refs they don`t like. 🙄
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Wed 13 May 18:08
Seeing as these matches are aimed towards a place in the SPL then surely SPL level referees should be officiating?
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Wed 13 May 18:19
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Wed 13 May 18:08
Seeing as these matches are aimed towards a place in the SPL then surely SPL level referees should be officiating?
Will be difficult when there are premier league matches on during the week too.
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 13 May 18:36
Nicolson is a Premiership ref. He`s also on the FIFA list.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 13 May 20:19
Maybe we`ll get Sean Murdoch for the 2nd leg?🤔🤣🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: Turps
Date: Thu 14 May 10:28
Ref tomorrow - Calum Scott
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 14 May 10:30
Referee:Calum Scott
AR1
Alastair Mather
AR2
Ross Anderson
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Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle
Date: Thu 14 May 10:35
Around half of the 1800 away tickets available have been sold
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 14 May 10:46
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Thu 14 May 10:30
Referee:Calum Scott
AR1
Alastair Mather
AR2
Ross Anderson
Hope he’s a better ref than he is a singer!
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Thu 14 May 10:49
Reffed our midweek 4-0 win at Airdrie in October, the 1-0 away defeat to Partick in November and the 3-2 defeat at home to Ayr just before Christmas.
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Topic Originator: Leamington_sPAR
Date: Thu 14 May 11:03
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 14 May 10:46
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Thu 14 May 10:30
Referee:Calum Scott
AR1
Alastair Mather
AR2
Ross Anderson
Hope he’s a better ref than he is a singer!
Aye but I did hear he was a good dancer but only on his own!
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Thu 14 May 12:32
I think it just highlighted the poor standard of refereeing across the board in the Scottish game. We’ve had a few “top flight” (in the loosest sense of the term) referees this season, and they were rank rotten.
Since VAR came into the top league, referees don’t seem willing to make the big calls themselves, and when they drop down to a level without VAR, they look incapable of making those big decisions.
This idiot surely has to undergo some sort of retraining, as he completely lost control and looked totally out of his depth. I agree with wee Eck and I actually posted before the game that it was bonkers someone Lenny had already had an issue with was handed such a massive game in the context of our season.
Considering it wasn’t a full card, there was no shortage of referees available to do the game. With Brother Beaton in the semi and this fool here, it really does seem like the powers that be will do anything to stop us causing a fixture nightmare.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft21346327964
Date: Thu 14 May 14:10
^^^ agree until the final paragraph there’s a reason that everyone in Scotland can go oh all the refs are against us because it seems they all favour the old firm but at the same time the old firm thinks the ref favours the other one I don’t think it’s a case of favouring. I think it comes down to bad refs because there isn’t a single good one in Scotland at the highest level. They all seem to be taking the easiest option and going with the people that shout the loudest the worst thing that could have happened to us this week happened and that was a big controversial call in the big games because now our decision gets swept under the carpet and our ref now goes and refs Falkirk vs rangers
Also you say that Lennon has had problems with him I think Patrick arguably had the bigger problem with him that he didn’t send the guy off when they were playing st Johnstone
Post Edited (Thu 14 May 14:11)
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Topic Originator: Swisspar
Date: Fri 15 May 22:07
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 13 May 09:12
You would have thought for an important match like that the SFA would avoid appointing a referee who had `previous` with one of the clubs but I suppose that might imply that the officials weren`t up to standard so wouldn`t happen. Are our refs really as bad as we claim or is that just fans` bias?
I`m keen to see a replay of the Todd incident but so far the only highlights on the BBC Sport website are the goals and they miss the glorious crossfield pass which started the move for our goal.
BBCiplayer , you will see it.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 15 May 22:11
A foul outside the box, nothing more.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Fri 15 May 22:13
Quote:
veteraneastender, Fri 15 May 22:11
A foul outside the box, nothing more.
And a yellow to Ashcroft, and a free kick to us in a promising position.
A goal kick is an abysmal decision.
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