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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Tue 19 May 19:08
Southampton have been removed from the the Championship play off final and Middlesbrough reinstated all because one of their employees filming Middlesbrough training.
It`s illegal to spy in the rules so they have nobody to blame but themselves but it`s highly unlikely that any player or fan new about it so you have to feel for them.
They`ve potentially cost themselves millions in what is regarded as the richest game in football because promotion to the EPL brings around 200 million to the club in tv revenue. They`ve also been deducted 4 points for next season.
Southampton have admitted to spying on other clubs during the season. Totally idiotic.
What can you really learn from spying? A couple of set piece routines that are difficult to pull off in an actual match. Was it worth it? Obviously not.
I feel for the players and fans but the higher ups that sent the spy should be banned from football. If the names come out they`ll be lucky not to be targeted from a crazed psychotic fan.
Crazy stuff.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Swisspar
Date: Tue 19 May 19:17
I don`t see why Middlesbrough should be reinstated, other than the EFL get to cash in.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 19 May 19:22
Quote:
Swisspar, Tue 19 May 19:17
I don`t see why Middlesbrough should be reinstated, other than the EFL get to cash in.
They lost to a team that was cheating.
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Topic Originator: par58
Date: Tue 19 May 19:38
Brilliant decision, multiple charges of cheating proven. SFA/SPL could take a leaf out of the EFL, book regarding sporting integrity. UTB.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Tue 19 May 19:56
That`ll be quite an expenses claim being submitted from that Southampton employee.
Return train ticket, hotel stay and a £200million subby.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Tue 19 May 20:02
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Tue 19 May 19:22
Quote:
Swisspar, Tue 19 May 19:17
I don`t see why Middlesbrough should be reinstated, other than the EFL get to cash in.
They lost to a team that was cheating.
By that logic Southampton`s results over the season should be annulled and they should be relegated.
All the teams they beat in the FA cup should be reinstated too... As they also lost to a team that was cheating.
To be honest I`d be ok with that. It`s what should have happened with Rangers....
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 19 May 20:09
Now this is funny. That boy will be having one of the worst days of his life today
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 20 May 06:18
It makes you wonder when this started.... their record since 21st January had already struck me as quite unreal.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 20 May 10:48
Quote:
Bandy, Tue 19 May 20:02
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Tue 19 May 19:22
Quote:
Swisspar, Tue 19 May 19:17
I don`t see why Middlesbrough should be reinstated, other than the EFL get to cash in.
They lost to a team that was cheating.
By that logic Southampton`s results over the season should be annulled and they should be relegated.
All the teams they beat in the FA cup should be reinstated too... As they also lost to a team that was cheating.
To be honest I`d be ok with that. It`s what should have happened with Rangers....
Strange logic IMO - it was Middlesbrough that were targeted for spy operations, more than once, so why should any other club(s) benefit ?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 20 May 10:58
They’ll play hull city on the same day we play Celtic…
Would be weird if they got promoted after losing the semi final
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 20 May 11:19
They broke the rules and got rumbled and should be punished.
Sending an intern to do your espionage? Seems they half-arsed it slightly.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 20 May 11:35
"Strange logic IMO - it was Middlesbrough that were targeted for spy operations, more than once, so why should any other club(s) benefit"
they admitted 3 instances Ipswich/Oxford/Boro. They drew 2 and lost 1 of the 3 games.
If you are spaying against relegated oxford id guess your probably going to be doing it against Arsenal etc as well.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 20 May 11:40
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Wed 20 May 11:35
"Strange logic IMO - it was Middlesbrough that were targeted for spy operations, more than once, so why should any other club(s) benefit"
they admitted 3 instances Ipswich/Oxford/Boro. They drew 2 and lost 1 of the 3 games.
If you are spaying against relegated oxford id guess your probably going to be doing it against Arsenal etc as well.
Was that the only 3 league games they didn`t win since the end of January.
Either their spy was shocking or I think that`s a fib!
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 20 May 11:58
Quote:
ipswichpar, Wed 20 May 11:40
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Wed 20 May 11:35
"Strange logic IMO - it was Middlesbrough that were targeted for spy operations, more than once, so why should any other club(s) benefit"
they admitted 3 instances Ipswich/Oxford/Boro. They drew 2 and lost 1 of the 3 games.
If you are spaying against relegated oxford id guess your probably going to be doing it against Arsenal etc as well.
Was that the only 3 league games they didn`t win since the end of January.
Either their spy was shocking or I think that`s a fib!
Exactly - they`ve probably been doing it for every game. These are just the cases where they`ve been rumbled.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 20 May 12:17
You have to wonder who authorised this and how many Southampton employees were complicit in it. I`m not sure how deeply today`s appeal proceedings will go into it. According to the BBC report the EFL can only take disciplinary action against clubs, it is up the Football Association to punish individuals so there is likely to be a bigger FA investigation once the appeals procedure is completed.
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Wed 20 May 12:51
I would have thought that many Southampton fans would have booked transport and hotels in London for Saturday not all may be refundable. Will the club reimburse them.
Same with Middlesbrough fans it`s going to be tight for them to book and also try and get time off work if required.
Not great for the fan`s although no doubt Middlesbrough fans will take it.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Wed 20 May 13:03
Sheer and utter stupidity.They deserve everything they got.Its something a amateur team might try on.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 20 May 13:29
"You have to wonder who authorised this and how many Southampton employees were complicit in it. I`m not sure how deeply today`s appeal proceedings will go into it. According to the BBC report the EFL can only take disciplinary action against clubs, it is up the Football Association to punish individuals so there is likely to be a bigger FA investigation once the appeals procedure is completed."
local reporter saying that they may get points back on appeal but highly unlikley to be reinstated to the playoff
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 20 May 13:33
The manager’s reputation has been badly damaged.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 20 May 13:42
"Exactly - they`ve probably been doing it for every game. These are just the cases where they`ve been rumbled."
It`s more likely they are the only clubs that don`t have a private, fenced-off training ground that there isn`t public access to.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 20 May 14:24
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Wed 20 May 13:33
The manager’s reputation has been badly damaged.
Yeah. If he knew about it, it’s clearly a sacking offence as well as anyone else in the know.
I do feel for the fans though.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 20 May 14:28
oh he knew...
Post Edited (Wed 20 May 14:29)
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Wed 20 May 14:40
I know it`s the rules, but used to always be the case, where clubs had people at training grounds. Watching.
Watch all the matches on tv, is it that different.
It`s gone mad!!
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 20 May 17:03
Yes, it is that different - recorded material can be watched repeatedly in detail, whereas observations by human eye are only retained in memory - and we all know how unreliable that soon becomes.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Wed 20 May 18:07
Why not make the effort to hire a better spy 🤔. There is an abundance of amazing tech theses days, spycams come in all shapes and sizes. A decent spy or private investigator could have went to the training ground in the middle of the night all camoed up and placed lots of tiny high grade cameras in secret areas. Tiny holes drilled into trees to fit tiny cams for example, microphones blended in to the goal posts to listen. Loads of places to hide cameras and mics, but no, they go with `obvious bloke holding an IPhone from half a mile away`😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣 😂. On top of that they`ve spied before and failed to win any of the games they admitted to.
They might get the point deduction removed at best but I honestly can`t see any part of the decision being changed. There is zero chance or reinstatement as that would be too cruel to Middlesbrough fans, giving them a second chance only to take it away the next day.
Southampton are going to be sued by everyone for compensation, Wrexham, maybe every other Championship side, their own players who`ve been denied a chance at promotion and huge pay rise. Maybe the fans even have a case against the club, I`m sure a good lawyer could come up with something for a class lawsuit action. Free season tickets for all this seasons tickets holders at the very least. It`s gonna get very ugly.
Wrexham are suggesting that the playoffs should be restarted with them taking the place of Southampton, that ain`t gonna happen. It wouldn`t be fair to Hull. If there was time I`d suggest a one off match between Wrexham and Middlesbrough but that wont happen either.
Hopefully Hull win the final so everyone can stop whinging.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 20 May 19:24
Southampton have appealed the decision
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Wed 20 May 19:33
They need to blame leeds, and bielsa, although he done it better
COYP
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Wed 20 May 20:04
18:00 Spygate hearing under way as Southampton appeal play-off punishment
No decision yet
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Wed 20 May 21:31
A League Arbitration Panel has tonight dismissed Southampton Football Club’s appeal against the Independent Disciplinary Commission’s sanction following the admittance of multiple breaches of EFL Regulations.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 20 May 21:39
This is a regular thing in Germany.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Wed 20 May 21:42
This is not my work but I love it 😂
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Wed 20 May 22:53
Why the hell ,is it allowed anywhere,never mind Germany.Its downright cheating. They knew the rules,so hell mend them.
Post Edited (Wed 20 May 22:57)
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 20 May 22:55
Quote:
twin par, Wed 20 May 22:53
Why the hell ,is it allowed anywhere,never mind Germany.Its downright cheating. They knew the rules,so hell mend them.
Jeez, I was just saying. Nae need tae bite ma heed aff 😅
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Wed 20 May 22:59
Not having a go at you Big T,just saying!😂
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 20 May 22:59
Quote:
twin par, Wed 20 May 22:59
Not having a go at you Big T,just saying!😂
😘😘😅
Post Edited (Wed 20 May 23:10)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 20 May 23:50
Quote:
Jeffery, Wed 20 May 21:42
This is not my work but I love it 😂
😂
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Thu 21 May 06:49
Quote:
Jeffery, Wed 20 May 21:42
This is not my work but I love it 😂
Is Sammy going to be at Hampden? Would be good for a laugh with his bins.
Class photo.
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