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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 18 Jun 17:32
Confirmed as departed.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jun 17:43
I wonder if that means JCM has still to decide?
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Thu 18 Jun 17:43
Let’s see where he ends up. We need players in the door and not last minute. Partick miles ahead of us atm.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Thu 18 Jun 17:44
My hope is the fact we have not announced at the same time that Mullan is leaving is that he is maybe staying..
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Thu 18 Jun 17:44
Big Loss , Was hoping he would stay around for another season , Good kuck
G.B
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 18 Jun 17:44
Bugger
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 18 Jun 17:49
I was hoping no news was good news tbh but Lennon did say he was expecting to lose a few so not too surprised.
I’m hoping they’ve got some good news to come about incomings other than Bene to try and get some excitement for the season coming up and get more ST’s sold.
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Topic Originator: Kpar2
Date: Thu 18 Jun 17:51
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Thu 18 Jun 17:43
Let’s see where he ends up. We need players in the door and not last minute. Partick miles ahead of us atm.
Aye they are with the amount of signings but that means nothing if they are ***** 👍
Keep ur chin up!
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Thu 18 Jun 17:53
Quote:
Kpar2, Thu 18 Jun 17:51
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Thu 18 Jun 17:43
Let’s see where he ends up. We need players in the door and not last minute. Partick miles ahead of us atm.
Aye they are with the amount of signings but that means nothing if they are ***** 👍
They have added quality to their squad. Let’s hope we get some decent players in the door before pre season kicks off.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 18 Jun 17:55
It would be interesting to know who is travelling to Bulgaria.
Post Edited (Thu 18 Jun 17:57)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 18 Jun 18:00
We need to avoid the usual suspects. Sorry to hear Ngwenya is away but good luck to him.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Thu 18 Jun 18:01
"They have added quality to their squad"
Dempsey over Turner is the only improvement they have made to their squad.
its not a race who can get the most signings the quickest.
Post Edited (Thu 18 Jun 18:02)
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Thu 18 Jun 18:02
Deserves his move but John Tods an able replacement. Doesn’t want to be here. Cheerio.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 18 Jun 18:05
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 18 Jun 17:55
It would be interesting to know who is travelling to Bulgaria.
Get yourself over to the airport tomorrow, wee eck
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Thu 18 Jun 18:10
Agree about J Tod... He was much more comfortable at LCB when Ngwenya was out the picture
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Thu 18 Jun 18:29
Ah that’s a shame. It was always likely he was going, but he’s a big loss. All the best to him wherever he ends up next.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Fri 19 Jun 16:58
Good luck to KN. Good to see Kian coming in on a 2 year deal. Learned a lesson there I think.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 19 Jun 17:27
We needed to win the playoff to have any leverage with holding on to players of his quality.
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Topic Originator: Ladswell_Thistle
Date: Fri 19 Jun 21:50
Club made him an offer. Gave him a deadline. Neither he nor his agent contacted the club.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 19 Jun 21:55
If that`s the case, it`s disappointing.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Fri 19 Jun 22:09
Yes,that is really poor.If they did not contact the club,that is downright disrespectful.Hopefully,that’s not the case.
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Topic Originator: Hay Fever
Date: Fri 19 Jun 22:21
Lennon made him, otherwise he’d be playing for Cove or Montrose this season. Slap in the moosh if you ask me.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 19 Jun 22:31
He`s away, nae need for gossip, for the firs time in a long time i feel confident we`ll replace adequately.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Fri 19 Jun 23:57
Hopefully this season Alistair Davidson will kick on
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sat 20 Jun 07:22)
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 20 Jun 01:46
First half of the season, everyone (myself included) expected him to not be offered a new deal. He was miles off the team.
Massive credit to him for getting back in and doing the business. No surprise he`s away.
JCM also isn`t in Bulgaria, so he`ll be away too.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 07:28
Quote:
DBA, Sat 20 Jun 01:46
First half of the season, everyone (myself included) expected him to not be offered a new deal. He was miles off the team.
Massive credit to him for getting back in and doing the business. No surprise he`s away.
JCM also isn`t in Bulgaria, so he`ll be away too.
It disappointing that they are both away, howver it an opportunity to bring in new faces or give others the opportunity to step up. At the end of the day, we weren`t good enough last season, so there is an arguement that we need to improve defensively. I recall how many early goals we lost last season that cost us dearly in the league campaign. so that shouldn`t be lost in the discussion.
For me, if players dont want to be part of the Pars story, its best they move on, no matter how good they are. Otherwise we are wasting each others time.
If I am honest, I am more concerned that we still have Robbie Fraser, Nuru, and John Todd. I can see something in Alistair Davidson, so hopefully he can kick on next season. We also need oiur central defenders to be a goal threat at set pieces. KN pitched in with 4 last season, but we need a bit more of a threat that I thought we lacked.
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sat 20 Jun 07:37)
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Topic Originator: Hunter78
Date: Sat 20 Jun 07:43
Quote:
Indiapar1, Fri 19 Jun 23:57
Hopefully this season Alistair Davidson will kick on
Don’t be silly. Wasn’t good enough for Kelty never mind us.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 08:07
Quote:
Hunter78, Sat 20 Jun 07:43
Quote:
Indiapar1, Fri 19 Jun 23:57
Hopefully this season Alistair Davidson will kick on
Don’t be silly. Wasn’t good enough for Kelty never mind us.
I would argue neither was KN earlier in the season. O'Ware said "Since the option came up for him to come here, he’s been excellent. He’s everything you want in a player, an honest boy, and a great professional.” Hopefully with the right attitude and some game time he can improve this season. A big year for him.
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sat 20 Jun 08:17)
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Sat 20 Jun 09:21
Quote:
Hunter78, Sat 20 Jun 07:43
Quote:
Indiapar1, Fri 19 Jun 23:57
Hopefully this season Alistair Davidson will kick on
Don’t be silly. Wasn’t good enough for Kelty never mind us.
Excellent support for one of our own.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 20 Jun 13:14
Got to admit I`m not sure about Davidson, I thought Sam Young looked a good bit better and stronger than him. I`ll put my trust in the management though, they must know what they want, and they`ll know much more than all of us, combined
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 20 Jun 13:24
Davidson will be loaned out next season.
We aren’t replacing Ngwenya and Mullen with young lads.
I’m not saying he’s not going to be a good player but not next season.
If we’re wanting to rebuild and challenge, then we need a lot better than Davidson brought in to replace what we’ve lost.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 14:24
Quote:
Hunter78, Sat 20 Jun 07:43
Quote:
Indiapar1, Fri 19 Jun 23:57
Hopefully this season Alistair Davidson will kick on
Don’t be silly. Wasn’t good enough for Kelty never mind us.
What a pr1ck you really are
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Sat 20 Jun 15:32
Quote:
Hunter78, Sat 20 Jun 07:43
Quote:
Indiapar1, Fri 19 Jun 23:57
Hopefully this season Alistair Davidson will kick on
Don’t be silly. Wasn’t good enough for Kelty never mind us.
Played every game, except for when he’d been recalled to be in our matchday squad. But why let facts get in the way of negativity.
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Sat 20 Jun 18:28
St mirren supporting mate has said Ngwenya has signed for them.
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 19:22
While I understand why Ngwenya would go to St Mirren and Todd to St Johnstone, Dunfermline are in my view, a bigger club than both of them and I sincerely hope we can finally gain promotion this season and prove that point. Both Saints may well be battling it out at the bottom end of the table and either or both could pass us on the way back down. Their move is a gamble in that respect, though I wish both players well.
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sat 20 Jun 19:39
Staying or moving is a gamble, the players themselves will decide, no points to prove.
St Mirren and St Johnstone are in the top flight now, and we are not. Both clubs are regulars in the top flight. We are not.
It`s good that players want to test themselves in the top flight. Good luck to anyone that wants to do that, it`s the shortest career, no one is retiring on second tier Scottish football money.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 19:40
I suspect that the moves are hopefully a stepping stone for each of them in the event their new employers get relegated.
A year of proving themselves against higher level in what is a short career is perfectly understandable.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 20 Jun 20:04
"While I understand why Ngwenya would go to St Mirren and Todd to St Johnstone, Dunfermline are in my view, a bigger club than both of them and I sincerely hope we can finally gain promotion this season and prove that point. Both Saints may well be battling it out at the bottom end of the table and either or both could pass us on the way back down. Their move is a gamble in that respect, though I wish both players well."
We had this notional bigger club debate not so long ago - what criteria gives grounds for this mindset ?
Attendances, if that`s the yardstick, doesn`t translate into status etc., especially in comparison with St.Johnstone.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 20:08
We all certainly know what you think.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 20 Jun 21:30
Quote:
veteraneastender, Sat 20 Jun 20:04
"While I understand why Ngwenya would go to St Mirren and Todd to St Johnstone, Dunfermline are in my view, a bigger club than both of them and I sincerely hope we can finally gain promotion this season and prove that point. Both Saints may well be battling it out at the bottom end of the table and either or both could pass us on the way back down. Their move is a gamble in that respect, though I wish both players well."
We had this notional bigger club debate not so long ago - what criteria gives grounds for this mindset ?
Attendances, if that`s the yardstick, doesn`t translate into status etc., especially in comparison with St.Johnstone.
We are not currently or even historically bigger but I think our future looks brighter.
That could all change again though.
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 21:32
Attendances are a yardstick for the size and potential of a club but you need to have the correct personnel in place to take advantage of that. I believe we have that now in Neil Lennon and a board that seems willing to back him. Of course the difficulty is breaking into the next level up when it is geared financially and otherwise to give the Premier teams an advantage. If we can get there however, we have the opportunity to actually do well in that league.
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 21:39
Not knowing the length of deal nwgenwa as potentially signed for st mirren but Todd has signed a 2 years deal with st johnstone, the absolute worst that desk could provide to him is a year at premiership and a year at championship. If we offered him a similar financial deal the absolute best we could of providedid a year at championship and a year at premiership. IRS very clear rhat signing for the higher up club makes the most sense,
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 20 Jun 21:40
I would have thought it a combination of things, proximity to home and travel requirements, money, opportunity to play at a higher level, seen as career progression.
I wish them well but also realise that they are replacesble like us all in jobs. Hopefully we can attract players who want to play for the club and buy into the direction we want to go. We all need to be pulling in the same direction next season. Hopefully other players can see the draw of the club based on the fact that MT, KN and likely JCM will perceived to have progressed in their performances.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 20 Jun 21:43
You’re only as big as your playing budget,
(and that’s not a criticism of any player).
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Sat 20 Jun 21:43
He’s obviously left as he can get a higher wage at another club or he’s not happy with how he was left out the side at the start of the season. Players come and go and very few will have loyalty to the club that they play for. If a better offer comes up they will take it. We fall in love with them and chant their names, some even get their own songs. But at the end of the day our feelings towards them are stronger than their feelings, loyalty and love of our club. Being a supporter and player are very different emotional connections.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 21 Jun 16:30
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 20 Jun 20:08
We all certainly know what you think.
Real world thinking.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 21 Jun 16:46
I doubt if Ngwenya left because he was dropped at the start of the season; after all it worked in his favour and the management must be given some credit for seeing his potential as a CB. But his experience just proves how fickle football can be and might have convinced him to take advantage of any situation that might allow him to improve his financial situation.
Post Edited (Sun 21 Jun 17:10)
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 21 Jun 16:57
JCM will be away, I imagine they will announce that at the end of his contract. NL elluded to it before the cup final. The problem with players making the national squads and playing in cup finals as it is counter intuitive o the club aspirations ie players at the end of their contracts, attracting attentionwhen they make it into the national side, and the shop window of the cup final. I inagine it takes a couple of seasons to get the right recruitment strategy in place in terms of player contracts, but the imperative would be to go for automatic promotion this season. Its a fundamental flaw of the league structure as its not conducive to developing players or clubs like dunfermline. The talent pool seems to be ever diminishing with fewer home grown players due to lack of exposure to the best levels in the country.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 30 Jun 15:41
The Record are saying he has had offers from English League 1 clubs but no details.
Post Edited (Tue 30 Jun 15:42)
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Sat 4 Jul 15:09
Reported today that Wigan and Huddersfield leading the way for his signing.
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 4 Jul 15:12
Wigan must fancy the JCM/Ngwenya pairing!
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Sat 4 Jul 15:49
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 4 Jul 15:12
Wigan must fancy the JCM/Ngwenya pairing!
Smart thinking from them. An established CH pair covering both sides.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 4 Jul 15:49
I think with both away we will have better options this season with J Todd, Nuru and SCH. SCH obviously finding his feet so a good pre season will hopefully help him settle in.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Leamington_sPAR
Date: Sat 4 Jul 16:22
Quote:
Indiapar1, Sat 4 Jul 15:49
I think with both away we will have better options this season with J Todd, Nuru and SCH. SCH obviously finding his feet so a good pre season will hopefully help him settle in.
With Matty Todd away we now only have the Tod brothers, should help to remove the chances of misspelling their names😉🤣
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 4 Jul 16:25
Quote:
Leamington_sPAR, Sat 4 Jul 16:22
Quote:
Indiapar1, Sat 4 Jul 15:49
I think with both away we will have better options this season with J Todd, Nuru and SCH. SCH obviously finding his feet so a good pre season will hopefully help him settle in.
With Matty Todd away we now only have the Tod brothers, should help to remove the chances of misspelling their names😉🤣
I`m sure we have their younger brother in the youth ranks too.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 4 Jul 21:59
Quote:
Bandy, Sat 4 Jul 15:49
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 4 Jul 15:12
Wigan must fancy the JCM/Ngwenya pairing!
Smart thinking from them. An established CH pair covering both sides.
Seems an odd move for KN given he was linked with a few other clubs earlier.
G Wardrope
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