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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Mon 22 Jun 22:14
Dare I say, it`s beginning to look hopeful for us to qualify even on three points?
(See Uruguay v Cape Verde thread, with refs to group G,H, and group A currently. Dotnet statisticians might confirm grounds for cautious optimism?)
Post Edited (Mon 22 Jun 22:18)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 24 Jun 07:37
That`s every team played 2 games now and Scotland are sitting 2nd top in the table of 3rd placed teams, but I`m not at all confident about making the top 8.
The problem is that Scotland failed to beat Haiti by a more convincing margin and now have to face Brazil who by virtue of their draw with Morocco, will have to go all out for a big win if they want to top the group, as I`d expect Morocco to try and do the same v Haiti. š
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Topic Originator: Geordiepar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 09:08
Group A: If Mexico and South Korea donāt lose then 3rd placed team will be on 2 points
Group B: This one is more hopeful that Bosnia and Qatar draw, so 3rd place team on 2 points
Group D: Australia win then Paraguay will be 3rd with 3 points and start on -2 goal difference plus whatever Australia win by.
Group E: Germany and Ivory Coast donāt lose then 3rd on 2 points
Group F: Japan need to beat Sweden, they start on same GD as Scotland as 0, so we need to lose by less than Sweden:
Group G: Egypt win and 3rd placed team will have 2 points
Group H: Spain win and 3rd placed team will have 2 points
Group I: Senegal v Iraq, both on 0 points. Worst case for Scotland is that Senegal win and it goes to GD. Iraq win and they thirds but are on -6 GD. Best outcome would be a draw
Group J: Austrian beat Algerian then Algerian 3rd on 3 points and start with -2 GD
Group K:Need Congo not to beat Uzbekistan.
Group L: Need Ghana to beat Croatia
We only need 4 teams to be below us out 12. Some of the above is unlikely, but not all. Egypt to win and Spain to win has a high possibility, as does Ivory Coast/Germany both not to lose. If that happens we just need one more result to go our way, assuming we fail to get anything out of the Brazil game.
I havenāt looked but Iād imagine the odds at the bookies on Scotland making the last 32 is odds on.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Wed 24 Jun 09:23
Currently we`re around 1.37 to qualify or a 73% chance.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Wed 24 Jun 09:27
Got to remember, it`s not just what happens to us, the points and GD of others will change also.
If we dont get a point, it will be close
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 09:55
Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Wed 24 Jun 09:23
Currently we`re around 1.37 to qualify or a 73% chance.
How is the 73% calculated from 1.37?
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Wed 24 Jun 10:06
ipswichpar wrote:
> Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Wed 24 Jun 09:23
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> Currently we`re around 1.37 to qualify or a 73% chance.
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> How is the 73% calculated from 1.37?
100/1.37 = 73%
To work out implied probability you simply divide 100 by the decimal odds
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 10:23
Ta
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Wed 24 Jun 11:08
Thanks for that, Geordiepar. Cautious optimism here.
Post Edited (Wed 24 Jun 11:11)
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Wed 24 Jun 17:35
It`s irrelevant how many goals Morocco score as they are on 4 points. Knowing our luck though they`ll end up losing to Haiti, we get pumped and finish 4th. One thing for sure is the more goals we lose by will decrease our chances of making it, so we need to keep it tight, play super defensive football and hopefully only lose by 1 or 2. Maybe we can fluke a draw if the football gods are on our side.
As it stands though we have a better chance to qualify than to not qualify, I reckon we`ll scrape through in about 6th or 7th best. It would be a tragedy not to finally qualify with so many teams going through.
If we do qualify we`ll be playing another top class side, probably France, Germany or Mexico.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 17:40
We can`t finish 4th. Result in the game with Haiti is more important than goal difference.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Wed 24 Jun 17:54
Quote:
ipswichpar, Wed 24 Jun 17:40
We can`t finish 4th. Result in the game with Haiti is more important than goal difference.
...and with Brazil and Morocco drawing their game if they both win tonight it`ll come down to goal difference.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Wed 24 Jun 18:18
Quote:
parsfan, Wed 24 Jun 17:54
Quote:
ipswichpar, Wed 24 Jun 17:40
We can`t finish 4th. Result in the game with Haiti is more important than goal difference.
...and with Brazil and Morocco drawing their game if they both win tonight it`ll come down to goal difference.
I thought it went on head to head before goal difference . I`m pretty sure we`re guaranteed at least 3d . Not that I think that`ll be much of an achievement 3d place is likely to get us a game v a group winner and a probable tanking .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 24 Jun 18:34
Haiti are out
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 24 Jun 18:43
We cant finish 4th due to H2H with Haiti - been brought in for this World Cup. Hopefully Bosnia draw and Mexico/SK win or draw and thats already 2 groups of the 4 done.
Of course it would be better if we won tonight to put it beyond doubt!
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Wed 24 Jun 18:54
Quote:
Parsweep, Wed 24 Jun 18:18
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parsfan, Wed 24 Jun 17:54
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ipswichpar, Wed 24 Jun 17:40
We can`t finish 4th. Result in the game with Haiti is more important than goal difference.
...and with Brazil and Morocco drawing their game if they both win tonight it`ll come down to goal difference.
I thought it went on head to head before goal difference . I`m pretty sure we`re guaranteed at least 3d . Not that I think that`ll be much of an achievement 3d place is likely to get us a game v a group winner and a probable tanking .
Yes, you`re right, it does. I was referring to Brazil and Morocco. That was because GG Riva said Brazil and Morocco would be trying to out score each other, then Kozma said it didn`t matter how many Morocco score.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Wed 24 Jun 19:07
Quote:
parsfan, Wed 24 Jun 18:54
Quote:
Parsweep, Wed 24 Jun 18:18
Quote:
parsfan, Wed 24 Jun 17:54
Quote:
ipswichpar, Wed 24 Jun 17:40
We can`t finish 4th. Result in the game with Haiti is more important than goal difference.
...and with Brazil and Morocco drawing their game if they both win tonight it`ll come down to goal difference.
I thought it went on head to head before goal difference . I`m pretty sure we`re guaranteed at least 3d . Not that I think that`ll be much of an achievement 3d place is likely to get us a game v a group winner and a probable tanking .
Yes, you`re right, it does. I was referring to Brazil and Morocco. That was because GG Riva said Brazil and Morocco would be trying to out score each other, then Kozma said it didn`t matter how many Morocco score.
š
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 24 Jun 19:21
Morocco in particular wonāt want the third place spot which is still possible if we win tonight
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 24 Jun 20:33
1-0 Bosniaā¦..
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 20:34
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 24 Jun 20:33
1-0 Bosniaā¦..
Not good for Scotland
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 20:36
2-0. Sake.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 24 Jun 20:37
Thatās Group B out the window.
Post Edited (Wed 24 Jun 20:41)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 20:42
Quote:
Berry, Wed 24 Jun 20:37
Thatās Group B out the window.
Not just yet. Could do with a draw here
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Wed 24 Jun 20:43
2-1 now.
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Topic Originator: Parallel Lines
Date: Wed 24 Jun 20:58
I`d be more wary of DR Congo on 1 point and finish against Iraq
Senegal on zero points and minus 3 but play Uzbekistan.
Both could overtake Scotland.
Currently if we finish eighth we would face Canada.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 24 Jun 21:05
Quite a few games after Scotland play so teams will know whats required.
Bookies have a few draws priced up at around 5/4.
Stitch ups on š
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:01
We can`t rely on other results. We need to do the biz.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:56
They`re doing well to mess up the GD chance if they keep this up.
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:21
Quote:
PARrot, Wed 24 Jun 23:01
We can`t rely on other results. We need to do the biz.
I admire your optimism buddy.... I really do.
But this is the equivalent of Fort William Vs Celtic.
We`ll do well to keep them to 3 or 4 goals.
Their speed and first touch is a class above.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:38
Its over, can now relax for the rest of the summer.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:31
Soul destroying how far behind we are as a football nation. Only a few weeks til our top teams scrabble around trying to get through qualifying rounds in Europe. Am away to my bed.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:41
Quote:
Parallel Lines, Wed 24 Jun 20:58
Currently if we finish eighth we would face Canada.
Wrong.
Canada face Group A runners up in LA.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:46
I wouldn`t say it`s like Fort William v Celtic, more like Dunfermline v Celtic.
Opta still gives us a 50/50 chance of qualifying, it`ll go down to the last day of games though. If we make it, it`ll be scraping into 8th best.
Still a chance so keep your fingers crossed.
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Alternative rock fan.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:48
We should all be supporting Mexico and South Korea tonight.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:50
Steve Clarke doesn`t think we`ll qualify now. I fear as the other groups come to a finish it may be possible for teams to play for certain results which will help them qualify. Robbo is of the same opinion.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 25 Jun 02:29
Our own fault. So bloody angry at that tonight,
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Thu 25 Jun 02:47
There are enough groups still in play to be hopeful that the 3rd placed team will finish with fewer than 3 points (Groups A, E, G,H,I,K). Hope springs eternal ...
However, if a team finishes level with Scotland on 3 points (-3 GD), the next determinant is Goals Scored, and in that situation our only goal won`t be enough.
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Post Edited (Thu 25 Jun 02:48)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 25 Jun 04:04
South Africa beat South Korea, so thats one of the small permutations gone. Cant see us getting through now, as now need 5 out of 6 groups to go our way and our GD took a kick in tonight too.
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Thu 25 Jun 04:12
It was a bit of a long shot before S Africa beat Korea , think we`ve had it now . We`ll probably never have a better chance of making the knock out phase , simply not good enough .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Thu 25 Jun 04:18
The 2 groups with third-placed teams that were most likely to end up below Scotland were Groups A and E. With So Korea losing tonight, they finish above Scotland in Group A.
Tomorrow, we need Group E to go to plan, Australia to beat Paraguay by 2 goals and Japan to beat Sweden by 4 goals.
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Thu 25 Jun 04:58
If I had to guess, the third-placed teams in:
- Groups D, J, K and L will finish with 4 pts.
- Groups G and H will finish with 3 pts and 0 GD.
- Groups F and I will finish with 3 pts and a negative GD.
- Group E will finish with less than 3 pts.
In other words, Scotland will finish 11th of 12 third-placed teams.
Hope Iām wrong.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 25 Jun 05:14
I think weāve had it, especially as some teams are going to know exactly what is needed.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 25 Jun 07:37
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Thu 25 Jun 05:14
I think weāve had it, especially as some teams are going to know exactly what is needed.
Ridiculous that results can be arranged by the teams playing later on to ensure they go through.
This 48 team format is awful.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 25 Jun 07:41
Quote:
Bandy, Thu 25 Jun 07:37
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Thu 25 Jun 05:14
I think weāve had it, especially as some teams are going to know exactly what is needed.
Ridiculous that results can be arranged by the teams playing later on to ensure they go through.
This 48 team format is awful.
100%
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Thu 25 Jun 07:45
Now 3/1 chances to qualify or 25% with the books.
Feeling guilty if we qualify as we really don`t deserve it and are making up the numbers, that`s not to say on any given day we couldn`t cause a shock but how many games have we turned up for at major Championships, not many.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Thu 25 Jun 08:33
I see 7 teams currently on 0 points.
so do we not need 4 of these teams to lose or draw ?
as they have not won yet, is this not a higher probabilty ?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 25 Jun 08:48
Quote:
Bandy, Thu 25 Jun 07:37
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Thu 25 Jun 05:14
I think weāve had it, especially as some teams are going to know exactly what is needed.
Ridiculous that results can be arranged by the teams playing later on to ensure they go through.
This 48 team format is awful.
They won`t need to "arrange" anything at all, Bandy. If a draw ensures both teams go through, they probably won`t take any risks. There`s no obligation to try and win every game and plenty of teams often go out to avoid defeat.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 25 Jun 09:16
The way I feel is just come home right now.
Totally deflated after that abject display,
If your weakest part of the team is defence then just go long ball up the park and try win the 50/50 balls.
The old fashioned way isnāt always the worst way.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Thu 25 Jun 09:20
Agree mate. We`d get absolutely horsed, whoever we played, in the next round. Just not good enough, unfortunately.
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Thu 25 Jun 09:24
Having lived in South Africa for 46 years they are my second team and so I watched the game after the Scotland game. South Africa finally came good putting in a spirited performance to deservedly beat higher ranked South Korea 1-0 and get out of the group stage for the first time at a World Cup. Sadly for Scotland, if it had stayed at 0-0, then with Mexico beating Czechia, South Africa would have helped Scotland by finishing third with only 2 points.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Thu 25 Jun 17:04
The South Africa result is probably the final nail in the coffin, didn`t see that one coming. Miracle needed now.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Thu 25 Jun 22:45
That`s it over now, no need to wait for the plump lady to sing.
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Topic Originator: par-ticular
Date: Fri 26 Jun 00:36
How bad would it be if Cape Verde qualified!!
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Fri 26 Jun 01:12
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Thu 25 Jun 22:45
That`s it over now, no need to wait for the plump lady to sing.
Is it? Still a lot of games to be played before itās over
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 26 Jun 04:34
Paraguay holding the Aussies - its pretty much done š¤·š»āāļø
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Fri 26 Jun 05:37
So 4 of 6 third-placed teams have 4 pts. I could see Algeria, DR Congo and Croatia joining them, which would mean only 1 team with 3 pts would make it. Also, I would put it past Senegal to outscore Iraq by 3 and get to a 0 GD with 5+ goals scored.
Iran and Uruguay each have 2 draws and play tomorrow. I expected them both to play for draws, but Iām not too sure now. Uruguay has scored 1 more goal than Iran so presently has the edge between them.
Do they look for the win?
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 26 Jun 06:59
I suspect there`s more chance of us finishing 12th best 3rd place team than getting through.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Fri 26 Jun 07:55
I didn`t expect South Africa to beat South Korea, or Ecuador to beat Germany. Those results, along with Paraguay`s draw and Turkey`s win last night, all went against Scotland. Although qualification is still mathematically possible I cannot see a likely route to it. Perhaps it`s just as well!
In Group G, if Egypt beat Iran then the 3rd-placed team in will have 2 points, so below Scotland.
POSSIBLE
In Group H, if Spain beat Uruguay, then the 3rd-placed team will have 2 points, so below Scotland.
POSSIBLE
In Group I, a draw between Senegal and Iraq would mean the 3rd-placed team will have 1 point, so below Scotland.
Senegal beating Iraq would give them 3 points and a better GD than Scotland.
An Iraq victory by 3 goals would take them above Scotland on GS.
UNLIKELY
In Group J, victory by 2+ goals for Austria would mean Algeria finish 3rd with 3 points and a poorer GD than Scotland.
Any other result would mean the 3rd placed team would finish above Scotland.
UNLIKELY
In Group K, if it is a draw between Uzbekistan and DR Congo or if Uzbekistan win by fewer than 4 goals, then the 3rd placed team will finish below Scotland.
Any win for DR Congo would give them 4 points, so above Scotland.
POSSIBLE
In Group L, if Ghana beat Croatia by 3+ goals, then Croatia will be 3rd with 3 points and a poorer GD than Scotland.
Any other result, or if Panama beat England, will see the 3rd placed team finish above Scotland.
UNLIKELY
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Topic Originator: LiviPar
Date: Fri 26 Jun 09:35
We`re out. No way are we going through and quite rightly too. And tbh, i`m glad we`re out. I cant take this anymore. Lol. The hope you feel, the buzz, the excitment, just for it to be slapped out of you within a few minutes of kick off. Now can just relax and enjoy some football without worrying. And also supporting ABE.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 26 Jun 10:28
What results do Scotland need to qualify?
There are eight groups left to play, and Scotland need four third-placed teams to have a worse record than them.
It means they need a minimum of four of the following scenarios to play out:
FRIDAY
Group I: Senegal and Iraq to draw.
Or Iraq to beat Senegal by no more than two goals.
Group H: Uruguay to lose to Spain.
Group G: Iran to lose to Egypt.
SATURDAY
Group L: Croatia to lose to Ghana by at least three goals.
Group K: DR Congo v Uzbekistan to be a draw.
Or Uzbekistan to win by no more than three goals.
Group J: Austria and Algeria are on three points and a draw would send both through.
Scotland need Algeria to lose by two or more goals, or Austria to be beaten by at least four goals.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Fri 26 Jun 11:08
Quote:
Buspasspar, Fri 26 Jun 10:28
What results do Scotland need to qualify?
There are eight groups left to play, and Scotland need four third-placed teams to have a worse record than them.
Six groups left and I reckon I, K and L will definitely go against us.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 26 Jun 14:58
Scotland are already pretty much eliminated as no matter what result happens in the Cape Verde v Saudi match, one of those teams will go above us and we then need results to go against some very good teams such as Croatia, Belgium and Dr Congo. It`s not going to happen š.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 26 Jun 15:34
Cape Verde v Saudi result is irrelevant to us. If Spain beat Uruguay, the 3rd place team will be on 2 points whatever happens in that game.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 26 Jun 17:51
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Fri 26 Jun 15:34
Cape Verde v Saudi result is irrelevant to us. If Spain beat Uruguay, the 3rd place team will be on 2 points whatever happens in that game.
Will a draw not virtually ensure Spain top spot in the group and give Uruguay 3 pts? That would put them above Scotland and in with a chance of going through? Cape Verde v Saudi will probably be a tight game, but Cape Verde may edge it to put them 2nd.
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Fri 26 Jun 17:52)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 26 Jun 18:27
Quote:
GG Riva, Fri 26 Jun 17:51
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Fri 26 Jun 15:34
Cape Verde v Saudi result is irrelevant to us. If Spain beat Uruguay, the 3rd place team will be on 2 points whatever happens in that game.
Will a draw not virtually ensure Spain top spot in the group and give Uruguay 3 pts? That would put them above Scotland and in with a chance of going through? Cape Verde v Saudi will probably be a tight game, but Cape Verde may edge it to put them 2nd.
We NEED Spain to win. Anything else is no good.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 26 Jun 20:22
Senegal one up on Iraq, who have now lost a man too.
That puts Scotland down to 9th
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 26 Jun 20:28
We now need a major miracle, its no longer minor.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 26 Jun 20:32
I`m glad we wont have to face nail biting days until the final games.
Pars fan.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Fri 26 Jun 20:49
I think we are clutching at straws. I`m sure tge players will have their bags packed at flights home booked for the weekend. The worst if it is, you cant even say we are unlucky to be going home.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 26 Jun 20:55
I wonder if the BBC recalled any of their Scottish reporters after the Brazil defeat? There seemed to be an abundance of them over there.
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Fri 26 Jun 20:56
Weāre nearly the rankest of the rank. Must admit Iām surprised to see Belgium in 11th.
If this aināt a sign to the SFA on the state of the Scottish game then I donāt know what is. We need a big reconstruction that will favour our Scottish young players and allow them to flourish rather than disappear with in system full of import players and large wages south of the border. Talent encourages talent and brings surrounding players on. We need to hold onto this talent and have more of it playing in the SPFL.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 26 Jun 21:09
At least we aren`t Danish.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Fri 26 Jun 21:12
Quote:
KirklistonPar, Fri 26 Jun 20:56
Weāre nearly the rankest of the rank. Must admit Iām surprised to see Belgium in 11th.
If this aināt a sign to the SFA on the state of the Scottish game then I donāt know what is. We need a big reconstruction that will favour our Scottish young players and allow them to flourish rather than disappear with in system full of import players and large wages south of the border. Talent encourages talent and brings surrounding players on. We need to hold onto this talent and have more of it playing in the SPFL.
100% but my question is always who will instigate the change?
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Fri 26 Jun 21:28
Iām not sure who will or would instigate change. The SFA seem to be happy with the cosy wee club they have going just now.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 26 Jun 21:34
Ian Wright`s theory is that Scottish football suffers from a lack of finance because of a relatively poor TV deal despite having the highest per capita attendance figures of any country in Europe for the third year in a row.
Apparently Norway, where football isn`t the main winter sport, gets around Ā£50m a year from broadcasting compared with Ā£30m in Scotland.
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Fri 26 Jun 21:46
Iām not sure how the tv money gets split up. Is it just all prize money at the end of the season? Cause if so it just goes to the two usual Glasgow teams. Are all teams given an equal payment at the start of the season?
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 26 Jun 23:35
That`s us out of the top 8, we`re guaranteed to be 10th after the next group concludes. Croatia, Belgium, DR Congo and Algeria could all still get pumped though so I guess the squad has to hang around in case the pigs fly. I can`t see the fans hanging around if they ain`t paid up though as it`s all highly unlikely now.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Sat 27 Jun 01:47
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Fri 26 Jun 23:35
Croatia, Belgium, DR Congo and Algeria could all still get pumped though so I guess the squad has to hang around in case the pigs fly.
Croatia need to lose to Ghana by 3+ goals (highly unlikely) AND England need to avoid defeat by Panama. I think we can forget about this group.
Belgium's result doesn't matter, provided Iran lose against Egypt. Hopeful.
If Spain beat Uruguay, the 3rd-placed team can only get 2 points. Hopeful.
A draw between DR Congo and Uzbekistan is enough for Scotland, OR a (highly unlikely,) 3-goal win for Uzbekistan - it has to be exactly 3 goals!
Austria need to beat Algeria by 2+ goals. No other result is enough for Scotland.
I think Scotland will finish 10th, which might be easier to take than finishing 9th and missing out by one place!
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Post Edited (Sat 27 Jun 03:56)
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Sat 27 Jun 03:54
I had guessed 11th, and Uruguay losing tonight puts Scotland in front of them. 10th is a possibility with Group Gās games tonight. But J, K and L offer very little hope.
Turkey and Uruguay are two very good teams heading home. Czechia are no mugs either. Having to face 2 of the top 6 ranked teams was a tall order.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 27 Jun 06:12
Iran do the job too. Only a Croatia pumping along with Algeria losing by 2 and DR Congo drawing or losing narrowly will see us scrape into 8th. The team have to stay for one more day at least just in case the unlikely miracle happens. It should be officially over this evening if 68th ranked Ghana don`t beat 11th ranked Croatia by 3 goals.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 27 Jun 06:30
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 26 Jun 21:34
Ian Wright`s theory is that Scottish football suffers from a lack of finance because of a relatively poor TV deal despite having the highest per capita attendance figures of any country in Europe for the third year in a row.
Apparently Norway, where football isn`t the main winter sport, gets around Ā£50m a year from broadcasting compared with Ā£30m in Scotland.
Agree the TV deal isn`t great, wee eck, but the lion`s share is gobbled up by guess which two clubs almost every year, due to final league positions? The drop off after 2nd is quite eye-opening.
As for attendances, they are completely skewed by those at Ibrox and Parkhead. I`m sure you will know that the attendance at those grounds can sometimes be greater than the total at every other senior ground in Scotland.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Sat 27 Jun 07:46
Norway have every game broadcast, itās not an apples vs apples comparison with our tv deal.
Our attendances are not skewed anymore than other countries, we still top the attendance per capita once you remove the top 2 attended clubs in every country.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 27 Jun 08:05
The most Scotland thing ever:
10:00 Group L
England beat Panama
Ghana beat Croatia 3-0
00:30 Group K
Colombia and Portugal go unnoticed
Uzbekistan draw with DRC or beat them by less than four
03:00 Group J
Austria beat Algeria by two or more
Jordan steal an injury time winner against Argentina and the eighth and final playoff spot
Not unlike Italia 90. In what must have been the final game, Uruguay and S Korea were seeing out a 0-0 draw which would have put the South Americans into the hat with Austria and ourselves for the final best third place. A one-in-three chance of progressing based on luck of the draw. In the final moments they scored and we came home.
One final thought. I can`t believe we`ve got this far and I`ve not heard the phrase "group of death" once.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 27 Jun 08:10
Parsfan - Haiti and Morocco were both winnable matches, so I`m not convinced we were in a `group of death`.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 27 Jun 08:14
What results do Scotland need to qualify?
There are three groups left to play, and Scotland need four third-placed teams to have a worse record than them.
It means they need these scenarios to play out:
SATURDAY
Group L: Croatia to lose to Ghana by at least three goals.
SUNDAY:
Group K: DR Congo v Uzbekistan to be a draw.
Or Uzbekistan to win by no more than three goals.
Group J: Austria and Algeria are on three points and a draw would send both through.
Scotland need Algeria to lose by two or more goals, or Austria to be beaten by at least four goals.
We are down to 00.7% chance
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 27 Jun 08:15
The Group of Death was mentioned here (bottom left)!
We can turn anything into the Group of Death.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 27 Jun 08:17
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 27 Jun 08:14
What results do Scotland need to qualify?
There are three groups left to play, and Scotland need four third-placed teams to have a worse record than them.
It means they need these scenarios to play out:
SATURDAY
Group L: Croatia to lose to Ghana by at least three goals.
SUNDAY:
Group K: DR Congo v Uzbekistan to be a draw.
Or Uzbekistan to win by no more than three goals.
Group J: Austria and Algeria are on three points and a draw would send both through.
Scotland need Algeria to lose by two or more goals, or Austria to be beaten by at least four goals.
We are down to 00.7% chance
Reminds me of the Oppenheimer movie .... near zero still isn`t actually zero.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 27 Jun 08:31
We donāt deserve to go through on the back of one deflected goal in the whole tournament against a team ranked 40 countries below us
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 27 Jun 09:32
I wonder how many deflected goals there have been in the tournament to date? A quick scan of all the results reveals there have been 12 own goals so far but ours was attributed to John McGinn. They all count. We seem to love to put ourselves down though, like only winning our qualifying group because the other teams dropped points!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 27 Jun 09:45
Weāre 10th in the 3rd place table.
We need Ghana to defeat Croatia by 3 goals or more and either DR Congo and Uzbekistan to draw, or for the latter to win by a maximum of 3 goals.
We also need Austria to beat Algeria by at least 2 goals, or for Algeria to win by 4 goals or more.
Croatia v Ghana 10pm tonight
DR Congo v Uzbekistan 0030 Sunday
Algeria v Austria 0300 Sunday
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Topic Originator: Clapham Par
Date: Sat 27 Jun 09:49
I don`t buy the `whataboutery` that other teams have benefited from deflected goals or own goals as a reason not to be critical of Scotland`s performance.
The fundamental criticism that we we only had two shots on target and scored one goal (deflected or otherwise) against a team 40 odd places below us in the rankings is not in any way mitigated by what other teams have done.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 27 Jun 10:13
It`s not `whataboutery` (a terrible word). I`m not disputing we didn`t have enough shots or make enough chances but who cares if one went `in off`? It happens all the time in football. Nobody mentions McTominay hit the post before we scored against Haiti. Why not?
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Topic Originator: Clapham Par
Date: Sat 27 Jun 10:41
Perhaps because it doesn`t even count as a shot on target and gained us nothing?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 27 Jun 10:42
Probably because while theyāre as close as you could be without hitting the target, they still donāt count on the scoreboard
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 27 Jun 11:00
Yeah, but a sclaffed shot that went in off a defender does. Would you have felt better if McGinn`s goal had been a 25-yard worldie after a 10-man passing move? I don`t uncerstand this need to make things even worse than they already are.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 27 Jun 11:06
Own goals, deflected goals etc are goals at the end of the day due to the teams pressure on their opponents. A bit the same with penalties. You often hear managers complaining about losing goals because of defensive mistakes. The other way to look at it os to say the opposition applied pressure and forced us into errors. Its the same result just said a different way. Thomas Jefferson said "I am a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it."
I think that applies to football as much as anything else.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: PansPar
Date: Sat 27 Jun 12:58
Anyone else hoping the club are reading this thread and that they decide we need a nice wee bit of signing news to lift the World Cup blues...
I had quite low expectations going into it, so I`m disappointed rather than devastated. Based on how we played, elimination at the group stage on goal difference feels about right.
But its hard not to watch the likes of Cape Verde, Iran, Australia and Sweden (who lets not forget finished second bottom of their qualifying group) and wonder what if š¤·āāļø
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sat 27 Jun 13:45
Our group was certainly a group of death.
Morocco are African Nations Finalists and they are both them and Brazil are ranked 6th and 7th respectively.
I always suspected we would finish 3rd but am a little surprised at how poorly we gifted goals away.
We were 2 or 3 terrible refereeing decisions away from stealing a win against Morocco - They dominated the first half but the decisions in the second half were baffling that VAR never got involved only to compound my anger when watching similar penalty awards in later matches.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 27 Jun 16:10
Quote:
DunfyDave, Sat 27 Jun 13:45
Our group was certainly a group of death.
Morocco are African Nations Finalists and they are both them and Brazil are ranked 6th and 7th respectively.
I always suspected we would finish 3rd but am a little surprised at how poorly we gifted goals away.
We were 2 or 3 terrible refereeing decisions away from stealing a win against Morocco - They dominated the first half but the decisions in the second half were baffling that VAR never got involved only to compound my anger when watching similar penalty awards in later matches.
Excellent post
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 27 Jun 16:39
I wonder a bit if Haiti`s world ranking might not be reflective of the squad they have now.
They are well known to have lots of french born players, quite a few of whom accepting a call up when it became clear they were going to a world cup. I expect their rank will improve over the next few years.
Post Edited (Sat 27 Jun 18:59)
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Topic Originator: Livingston Par
Date: Sat 27 Jun 16:45
Agree with Dunfy Dave too.....we were honking for the most of the time but 2 decent penalty shouts not even looked at.......this is the worst WC I can remember for lots of reasons.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 27 Jun 18:40
As bad as Scotland were, it 100% was a `group of death`. 2 top ten ranked teams in the one group constitutes that fact. Early goals, gifted goals, and no attacking threat is what killed us. We could easily have robbed a point from Morocco or beat Haiti more convincingly but it wasn`t to be.
I wonder when/if we`ll ever see Scotland go past a group stage in any tournament? I`m almost 50 so I`m doubtful that I`ll see it in my lifetime.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sat 27 Jun 18:59
It`s a shame the way the draw went with so many teams unable to be added to the group before we finally took the place.
Was always going to be a hard one - the penalty not given v Morocco hurts even more now we are out.
Was hoping Brazil would win both opening games so maybe rest some players v us but that didn`t happen.
Real shame we couldn`t score more v Haiti or get the draw with Morocco.
We had to keep the score down in a loss v Brazil and couldn`t do that, even with 1 chopped off so bottom line is, we didn`t really deserve to go through.
Seeing "smaller" nations gain draws against "superior" opposition has been particularly galling.
We`re just not good enough - bottom line.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 27 Jun 21:03
Quote:
SusieQ, Sat 27 Jun 18:59
It`s a shame the way the draw went with so many teams unable to be added to the group before we finally took the place.
Was always going to be a hard one - the penalty not given v Morocco hurts even more now we are out.
Was hoping Brazil would win both opening games so maybe rest some players v us but that didn`t happen.
Real shame we couldn`t score more v Haiti or get the draw with Morocco.
We had to keep the score down in a loss v Brazil and couldn`t do that, even with 1 chopped off so bottom line is, we didn`t really deserve to go through.
Seeing "smaller" nations gain draws against "superior" opposition has been particularly galling.
We`re just not good enough - bottom line.
Very very fine margins determined our fate as you say.
Imagine we got that penalty vs Morocco and scored and went into Brazil game with very little pressure as a result?
The fans would be hailing Clarke instead of blaming him for individual mistakes on the pitch.
I was fuming.
Everyone was bit some perspective is needed.
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Sun 28 Jun 05:04
Only 1 3rd placed team qualified with 3 points. We would have needed a plus 3 goal difference to qualify or realistically 4 points.
Algeria scored in injury time against Austria which would have seen the Austrians knocked out and Iran through. Austria scored an equaliser 2 mins later to seal their place in the last 16 and knock Iran out.
Iām kind of glad we knew we were going out a few days ago. That would have been a sickener.
Post Edited (Sun 28 Jun 05:33)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 28 Jun 06:16
I feel so sorry for Iran. FIFA and the corrupt American regime have thoroughly shafted them. They played well, were unbeaten and had critical decisions go against them.
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