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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 24 Mar 02:39
This should be compulsory viewing for all Britons.
No one - repeat NO ONE - can explain Brexit more concisely or accurately than this man. In just seven minutes he brings it all into grim context. This is black humour/satire at its very, very best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IL2XwSkFJQ
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 24 Mar 11:11
Satire? He's pretty much bang on the money.
Very funny, too, but at the same time I'm thinking, this is no laughing matter,
The people we have elected to act in our best interests, have made a complete pig's ear of it. What a fekkin debacle!
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 24 Mar 12:04
Pie is an establishment tool, pushing the "incompetence" mantra....only follow the money and you'll find billionaires with pet millionaires....you won't find much incompetence.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 24 Mar 12:53
<<Pie is an establishment tool,>>
Aw jeez, rasta... what a load of utter drivel.
Your world of conspiracies and counter-conspiracies is undermining your ability to think rationally. It is one thing to be a contrarian, but quite another to say something is black when clearly it is white. To describe Pie as "establishment" is to completely misinterpret, indeed misunderstand, the very meaning and history of satire.
I very much doubt Pie is in the pocket of any billionaires or millionaires. I see him as an authentic voice articulating the anger and frustrations of many in today's madcap world.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 25 Mar 08:36
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OzPar, Sun 24 Mar 12:53
<<Pie is an establishment tool,>>
Aw jeez, rasta... what a load of utter drivel.
Your world of conspiracies and counter-conspiracies is undermining your ability to think rationally. It is one thing to be a contrarian, but quite another to say something is black when clearly it is white. To describe Pie as "establishment" is to completely misinterpret, indeed misunderstand, the very meaning and history of satire.
I very much doubt Pie is in the pocket of any billionaires or millionaires. I see him as an authentic voice articulating the anger and frustrations of many in today's madcap world.
Ok then, with the rich having got richer and politicians entrenched more than ever, please....illustrate the incompetence?
I've yet to hear him call out the criminal activity or the personal millions made by our political leeches.
So Reese Mogg's 7 million Brexit windfall came about from incompetence aye?
The Tory donors who received millions over the course happened " by accident"
And you think that's a conspiracy theory?
I could like , you me , insult you here but I'll refrain.
Post Edited (Mon 25 Mar 08:39)
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 25 Mar 11:09
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 25 Mar 08:36
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 24 Mar 12:53
<<Pie is an establishment tool,>>
Aw jeez, rasta... what a load of utter drivel.
Your world of conspiracies and counter-conspiracies is undermining your ability to think rationally. It is one thing to be a contrarian, but quite another to say something is black when clearly it is white. To describe Pie as "establishment" is to completely misinterpret, indeed misunderstand, the very meaning and history of satire.
I very much doubt Pie is in the pocket of any billionaires or millionaires. I see him as an authentic voice articulating the anger and frustrations of many in today's madcap world.
Ok then, with the rich having got richer and politicians entrenched more than ever, please....illustrate the incompetence?
I've yet to hear him call out the criminal activity or the personal millions made by our political leeches.
So Reese Mogg's 7 million Brexit windfall came about from incompetence aye?
The Tory donors who received millions over the course happened " by accident"
And you think that's a conspiracy theory?
I could like , you me , insult you here but I'll refrain.
Isn't he just a low rent comedian? And not a very funny one from what I've seen.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 25 Mar 13:11
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moviescot, Mon 25 Mar 11:09
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 25 Mar 08:36
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 24 Mar 12:53
<<Pie is an establishment tool,>>
Aw jeez, rasta... what a load of utter drivel.
Your world of conspiracies and counter-conspiracies is undermining your ability to think rationally. It is one thing to be a contrarian, but quite another to say something is black when clearly it is white. To describe Pie as "establishment" is to completely misinterpret, indeed misunderstand, the very meaning and history of satire.
I very much doubt Pie is in the pocket of any billionaires or millionaires. I see him as an authentic voice articulating the anger and frustrations of many in today's madcap world.
Ok then, with the rich having got richer and politicians entrenched more than ever, please....illustrate the incompetence?
I've yet to hear him call out the criminal activity or the personal millions made by our political leeches.
So Reese Mogg's 7 million Brexit windfall came about from incompetence aye?
The Tory donors who received millions over the course happened " by accident"
And you think that's a conspiracy theory?
I could like , you me , insult you here but I'll refrain.
Isn't he just a low rent comedian? And not a very funny one from what I've seen.
Yes he is...but he is doing a grand job of protecting the government from the questions that should be asked.
That the man in the street thinks their actions are down to incompetence speaks volumes of the dumbing down of society.
People are screaming for certain characters to lose their jobs....when really...they should be losing their freedom.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:06
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Rastapari, Mon 25 Mar 13:11
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moviescot, Mon 25 Mar 11:09
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Rastapari, Mon 25 Mar 08:36
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OzPar, Sun 24 Mar 12:53
<<Pie is an establishment tool,>>
Aw jeez, rasta... what a load of utter drivel.
Your world of conspiracies and counter-conspiracies is undermining your ability to think rationally. It is one thing to be a contrarian, but quite another to say something is black when clearly it is white. To describe Pie as "establishment" is to completely misinterpret, indeed misunderstand, the very meaning and history of satire.
I very much doubt Pie is in the pocket of any billionaires or millionaires. I see him as an authentic voice articulating the anger and frustrations of many in today's madcap world.
Ok then, with the rich having got richer and politicians entrenched more than ever, please....illustrate the incompetence?
I've yet to hear him call out the criminal activity or the personal millions made by our political leeches.
So Reese Mogg's 7 million Brexit windfall came about from incompetence aye?
The Tory donors who received millions over the course happened " by accident"
And you think that's a conspiracy theory?
I could like , you me , insult you here but I'll refrain.
Isn't he just a low rent comedian? And not a very funny one from what I've seen.
Yes he is...but he is doing a grand job of protecting the government from the questions that should be asked.
That the man in the street thinks their actions are down to incompetence speaks volumes of the dumbing down of society.
People are screaming for certain characters to lose their jobs....when really...they should be losing their freedom.
You really think a two bit unfunny comedian has that kind of power. Until this post I never knew who he was and neither did any of my friends that I asked. Not really that influential I think.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 25 Mar 16:30
Theres actually 2 people that do the writing for Jonathan Pie.
I actually saw the guy that plays the role make his stand up debut at a comedy night in London called Always be Comedy and he's completely different as a person to his character.
He was bricking it and his hand was shaking that was holding the paper that had his lines on it and apologised as he lost his place a couple of times.
His show still incorporates ranty bits but he's definitely not a mouth piece for the establishment, he was just an actor whose comedy character got a bit of traction of Facebook and now he's looking at how to make the best of the opportunity it created.
If he ever polishes his live show enough to take it on tour he does touch more on the deliberate parts of folk profiting from the way Tory policies work and goes in deep on benefit cuts etc
He also takes pot shots about political correctness going too far in some cases.
His short videos tend to be ranting about incompetence but I think that's more because the format works better on platforms like Facebook. His stand up was a bit broader but I'm not sure if he'll actually take it on tour.
Quite a good watch here on him talking about the character here:
https://youtu.be/1_6APlOR_jg
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 25 Mar 17:11
Quote:
londonparsfan, Mon 25 Mar 16:30
Theres actually 2 people that do the writing for Jonathan Pie
https://youtu.be/1_6APlOR_jg
I read that. Just makes it two unfunny people really.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Mon 25 Mar 19:45
Agreed, his angry political commentator thing is just an act. He makes a lot of sense for the most part but honestly its more just as a dig at the political class
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 26 Mar 07:04
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 25 Mar 15:06
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Rastapari, Mon 25 Mar 13:11
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moviescot, Mon 25 Mar 11:09
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Rastapari, Mon 25 Mar 08:36
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OzPar, Sun 24 Mar 12:53
<<Pie is an establishment tool,>>
Aw jeez, rasta... what a load of utter drivel.
Your world of conspiracies and counter-conspiracies is undermining your ability to think rationally. It is one thing to be a contrarian, but quite another to say something is black when clearly it is white. To describe Pie as "establishment" is to completely misinterpret, indeed misunderstand, the very meaning and history of satire.
I very much doubt Pie is in the pocket of any billionaires or millionaires. I see him as an authentic voice articulating the anger and frustrations of many in today's madcap world.
Ok then, with the rich having got richer and politicians entrenched more than ever, please....illustrate the incompetence?
I've yet to hear him call out the criminal activity or the personal millions made by our political leeches.
So Reese Mogg's 7 million Brexit windfall came about from incompetence aye?
The Tory donors who received millions over the course happened " by accident"
And you think that's a conspiracy theory?
I could like , you me , insult you here but I'll refrain.
Isn't he just a low rent comedian? And not a very funny one from what I've seen.
Yes he is...but he is doing a grand job of protecting the government from the questions that should be asked.
That the man in the street thinks their actions are down to incompetence speaks volumes of the dumbing down of society.
People are screaming for certain characters to lose their jobs....when really...they should be losing their freedom.
You really think a two bit unfunny comedian has that kind of power. Until this post I never knew who he was and neither did any of my friends that I asked. Not really that influential I think.
Are you really saying someone with millions of you tube views has no power?
Here's a discussion of "incompetent" Brexit inspired by him, is that not power?
Post Edited (Tue 26 Mar 07:06)
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 26 Mar 07:56
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 26 Mar 07:04
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moviescot, Mon 25 Mar 15:06
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Rastapari, Mon 25 Mar 13:11
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moviescot, Mon 25 Mar 11:09
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Rastapari, Mon 25 Mar 08:36
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 24 Mar 12:53
<<Pie is an establishment tool,>>
Aw jeez, rasta... what a load of utter drivel.
Your world of conspiracies and counter-conspiracies is undermining your ability to think rationally. It is one thing to be a contrarian, but quite another to say something is black when clearly it is white. To describe Pie as "establishment" is to completely misinterpret, indeed misunderstand, the very meaning and history of satire.
I very much doubt Pie is in the pocket of any billionaires or millionaires. I see him as an authentic voice articulating the anger and frustrations of many in today's madcap world.
Ok then, with the rich having got richer and politicians entrenched more than ever, please....illustrate the incompetence?
I've yet to hear him call out the criminal activity or the personal millions made by our political leeches.
So Reese Mogg's 7 million Brexit windfall came about from incompetence aye?
The Tory donors who received millions over the course happened " by accident"
And you think that's a conspiracy theory?
I could like , you me , insult you here but I'll refrain.
Isn't he just a low rent comedian? And not a very funny one from what I've seen.
Yes he is...but he is doing a grand job of protecting the government from the questions that should be asked.
That the man in the street thinks their actions are down to incompetence speaks volumes of the dumbing down of society.
People are screaming for certain characters to lose their jobs....when really...they should be losing their freedom.
You really think a two bit unfunny comedian has that kind of power. Until this post I never knew who he was and neither did any of my friends that I asked. Not really that influential I think.
Are you really saying someone with millions of you tube views has no power?
Here's a discussion of "incompetent" Brexit inspired by him, is that not power?
No it's not.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 26 Mar 08:24
"Two-bit unfunny comedian" is a bit off the mark, Moviescot, but hey you are entitled to your opinion.
The character Jonathan Pie is much more a political satirist than a comedian, something that Britain has not really seen since Ben Elton, Alexei Sayle and Spitting Image were doing their things some 30 years ago.
I think it is fair to say that Jonathan Pie has moved well beyond the internet backwaters. This past year he has been filling theatres throughout the UK as well as in the USA and Australia. No doubt, Netflix will be his next port of call...
He does have a large and growing following and therefore is, in his own way, quite influential.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 26 Mar 10:54
I would have thought comedians, satirists etc reflect public opinion rather than influence it.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 26 Mar 11:20
On the face of it I would agree with you, wee eck. Certainly as far as comedians are concerned.
But when you think back to the sixties; to satirists like Peter Cook, to David Frost, to Private Eye, to "That was the week that was", the exposure of the Profumo Affair, Christine Keeler, etc, it is very hard to argue that the satirists of the time were not highly influential in killing off the government of Harold McMillan.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 26 Mar 11:24
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wee eck, Tue 26 Mar 10:54
I would have thought comedians, satirists etc reflect public opinion rather than influence it.
Yes.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 26 Mar 11:29
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 26 Mar 08:24
"Two-bit unfunny comedian" is a bit off the mark, Moviescot, but hey you are entitled to your opinion.
The character Jonathan Pie is much more a political satirist than a comedian, something that Britain has not really seen since Ben Elton, Alexei Sayle and Spitting Image were doing their things some 30 years ago.
I think it is fair to say that Jonathan Pie has moved well beyond the internet backwaters. This past year he has been filling theatres throughout the UK as well as in the USA and Australia. No doubt, Netflix will be his next port of call...
He does have a large and growing following and therefore is, in his own way, quite influential.
Yes but the names you mentioned were also funny
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 26 Mar 12:24
''But when you think back to the sixties; to satirists like Peter Cook, to David Frost, to Private Eye, to "That was the week that was", the exposure of the Profumo Affair, Christine Keeler, etc, it is very hard to argue that the satirists of the time were not highly influential in killing off the government of Harold McMillan.''
Programmes like TW3 and 'The Frost Report' and publications like Private Eye were certainly ground-breaking at that time but now they have been replaced pretty much by social media sites, blogs, etc which are much more influential in framing public opinion, I think, although many of them lack the subtlety of the satirists of the 60s.
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