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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 17 Aug 20:54
Newest victim of being attacked by right wingers. The polarisation of this country for selfish and wrong opinions needs to end
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sun 18 Aug 08:40
Curious to find out what you know that the Police don't.
Or are you just making the assumption his attackers were right wingers?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 18 Aug 09:30
While at this stage we don't know the political leanings of the attackers I don't think it is too much of a leap to assume that Jones was attacked because of his political views. Ok we are quite in Russia or China yet where such attacks on journalists are common and have at least the tacit approval of the state but it is still a despicable crime which could start a worrying trend.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sun 18 Aug 10:57
Plus at this stage we don't even know what's really happened other than what he's alleging.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 18 Aug 11:01
You weren't so reticent when it was flying milkshakes rather than flying boots being alleged, were you?
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 18 Aug 11:14
There were a few witnesses and possibly CCTV evidence from the pub. I doubt it was a gang of left-leaning luvvies who attacked him.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sun 18 Aug 11:35
There was no "allegation" it was all caught on film.
At this stage all there is is Jones' word. He's been known to exaggerate, rather often actually, in the past.
Still it's easier for some to just scream "right wing" isn't it?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 18 Aug 11:45
But you were more than happy to condemn the milkshake before you had seen the evidence, I remember your ire very clearly when all you had to go on was hilarious photo of a dripping gammon.
Although I suppose that Farage's veracity is completely without question...
PS - this one had witnesses and was caught on CCTV too apparently.
PPS - it's not your reticence to condemn violence that I'm laughing at by the way, it's the comparison with your previous ire about the milkshake coupled with your fantastic insistence that others are being partisan. I do sometimes wonder whether you're a parody account tbh.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sun 18 Aug 13:19
No parody account I can assure you. However, the more I read your drivel the more I'm convinced you're nothing but a desperate little troll.
Oddly enough, a bit like Jones himself. If you're laughing at me, I can assure you I am very much laughing back.
If - and it is still very much at the if stage - there was an unprovoked assault then I would be the first to condemn it. However, as it stands all we have is the word of a proven liar to go on.
Read earlier today that in June 2019 approximately 1000 crimes took place within a half mile radius of where that (alleged) assault took place. Was that all the work of the nasty right wing too ?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 18 Aug 13:28
I think the point is CDF is that everything you said in your last paragraph could be applied to the Farage milkshake incident. Lots of crimes will have happened within a certain radius of where that happened. Farage is also a proven liar.
I find your inability to simply condemn this assault as disappointing. Jones didn't assault himself, ample evidence of the incident taking place. Even if somehow it was provoked (though I doubt it) that still doesn't give someone the right to attack someone.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 18 Aug 14:36
I get that you don't want your team to have committed yet another heinous act of violence so soon after you were so vocal in your opposition to the mixing of ham products with dairy, but your squirming evasiveness here is undignified even for you.
Also, if you want to attack my character then feel free, it is your right, but it won't have any impact without examples - otherwise it's just silly lashing-out using the same generic insults that you use for everyone who disagrees with you.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 18 Aug 15:11
Generic insults like 'gammon'?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 18 Aug 15:46
Yes, like that.
For example, I used the word "gammon" to make humour of, and therefore underplay, the throwing of dairy goods in comparison with the subject (kicking people in the head) of this thread. I did this in order to add contrast to CDF's different initial responses to two acts (the thrown milkshake and the thrown kicks).
So in this case I deliberately used rhetorical language to ridicule a situation so that the wider comparison had more impact.
I used examples basically, like I suggested.
CDF just dismissed my post as "drivel" without bothering to explain why. As if his arrogance is such that he perceives it to be apparent to all.
Or as if he doesn't really know what he's talking about and is just posturing.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Mon 19 Aug 10:17
He's posted a picture of his 'injuries'.
Looks more like he's annoyed his cat than been the victim of an assault.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 19 Aug 10:58
You seem to be obsessed with this guy.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 19 Aug 14:28
I'm pretty sure any injuries sustained were worse than the injuries from the milkshake incidents.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Mon 19 Aug 15:56
"You seem to be obsessed with this guy."
I didn't start the thread.
LPF I'm sure those "injuries" are indeed worse than a milkshake, but then you're not one for whataboutery are you? ;)
I can see this one disappearing the same way as the boy from Strictly who alleged he was set about by a gang in Blackpool only for the story to change multiple times and then disappear.
Still, it gave the virtue signallers a chance to vent their spleen on Twitter so all is good in the world.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 19 Aug 17:48
What's a virtue signaller?
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 21 Aug 09:08
"LPF I'm sure those "injuries" are indeed worse than a milkshake, but then you're not one for whataboutery are you? ;)"
Always dealing with the argument head on 😉
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 30 Aug 07:53
Having seen the photos he posted himself I'd be amazed if a charge of "actual bodily harm" would stick.
Honestly looks like he just annoyed his cat !
The good old days
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 30 Aug 19:14
Why are you so keen to downplay an actual violent attack yet were so vitriolic in your condemnation of the milkshake incident?
Didn't you even start a thread about the milkshake guy?
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 30 Aug 23:51
If he did start a thread about that then I can't find it.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 31 Aug 00:18
Yeah, they flush all but the first page.
I'm relying on CDF's memory/honesty here because I can't be 100% that he started it.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sat 31 Aug 06:51
Violent attack ? Slight scratching aside there isn't a bloody mark on him.
He changed his account of it at least three times on his Twitter too.
And, no I didn't start any thread about the milkshake incident either.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 31 Aug 10:42
It was a violent incident and he had a mark on him. Why can't you condemn it? Is it a political thing?
Why didn't you have a similar response to the much less violent and serious milkshake incident?
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 31 Aug 12:07
Maybe it's because OJ writes for The Guardian.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sat 31 Aug 12:07
You're incredibly obsessed with my apparent response or lack of to said incident, and yet by your own admission you can't even remember what I said about it.
As for "violent incident" I stand by my original assessment. I have seen deeper scratches on somebody when they've fed their cat the wrong food. Plus, as details are sketchy at best - and definitely contradictory - you have nothing at all to make the assertion that it was a violent incident other than a few scratches on his flab.
Jones is a purposely provocative little turd of a man. Openly posting pictures of "far right" people being assaulted on his Twitter feed, yet when it (allegedly) happens to him 'violence' is something to be condemned rather than celebrated.
For what it's worth I abhor violence of any kind but I have very little sympathy for him if indeed it even happened.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 31 Aug 12:38
Why would you not have sympathy for someone who was violently attacked whilst he was enjoying time off with his friends?
I have already gone over the reason why I'm "obsessed" (I prefer the word "persistent" here, but never mind) over your reaction to this earlier in the thread but basically it's because you have petulantly accused someone else of partisanship whilst steadfastly refusing to admit your own blinding hypocrisy when compared with your response to the milkshake incident; I do remember THAT much.
I was fairly sure that you started a thread over-reacting to the old duffer who got damp while manning a polling station for the Brexit party, I'm fully prepared to admit that my memory isn't the best however and will apologise in advance if it was someone else. You definitely featured heavily in it though.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 31 Aug 12:39
''Jones is a purposely provocative little turd of a man.''
Have you met him? If that's your view of him I doubt you can be objective about an assault on him.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 31 Aug 13:07
I don't think you have to have met someone to have an opinion on them Wee Eck. I mean dare say you have never met say Rupert Murdoch but I bet you have a rather negative opinion of him.
CDF, I don't know why you can't just concede that an assault took place. I can't imagine for one minute that Jones, a large number of witnesses, cctv footage and the police have all been mobilised for some obscure reason which I can't quite get a handle on. I mean do you think that Farage maybe poured that milkshake over himself? What there is footage of someone else doing it? Blah must be fake.
See this is what's wrong with the identity politics that has consumed our nation. Someone likes yourself CDF, who I suspect would naturally take a hard line against yobbish thugs, now looks to underplay and cast doubt over their behaviour.
I don't know the true motivation behind this assault, I have my reservations if it was politically motivated in the truest sense, however I don't doubt for a second that the assault took place.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 31 Aug 20:22
You're right, TOWK. I've never met Rupert Murdoch and I don't particularly like him based on what I know of him but I wouldn't make specific comments about his character on a public forum as if I had met him. Based on his postings on here, CDF seems to have a low opinion of anyone whose views are slightly to the left of Genghis Khan.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sun 1 Sep 14:34
Not at all Eck, one of my all time political heroes is actually Tony Benn.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 1 Sep 14:47
He must be the exception that proves the rule. I remember nasty comments from you about Corbyn, Thornberry and Abbott which went way beyond differences of opinion about their politics.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 1 Sep 15:32
Haha CDF, I'm not surprised that one of your all time political heroes was a multi millionaire.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 1 Sep 16:21
Fun fact: Tony Benn was a Labour moderate before Kinnock shifted the party so far to the right that, without even looking up from his Morning Star, Tony Benn became a radical one day.
Not because he was radical, he just stuck to his principles whilst his colleagues abandoned theirs out of lust for power.
Corbyn would be slightly to the right of Benn by 1980s standards.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 1 Sep 18:07
Tony Benn was indeed a radical by today's standards but by the late 70s he was even on the left of the Labour Party. Always difficult to judge someone when looking back at what they did and say decade ago. He was of course rabidly anti EU as many socialists were in the 1970s. His views on the brutal regime of Chairman Mao certainly raise an eyebrow. Thirty million dead but 'he made mistakes like everyone does'. Yes Tony quite.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 1 Sep 18:32
The EU didn't exist in the 1970s.
What they were against was the Common Market which they saw as paving the way for the undermining of hard won workers' rights. They felt that the way it was set up benefited business interests at the expense of workers.
The rapidly increasing gig economy would suggest that they might have had a point.
Lots of people have said lots of things about lots of questionable people in their lives. I know that I have and I don't want to turn this into an exercise in whataboutery but it is also worth looking into the human cost of our move from feudal to industrial society: using the same standards by which Mao's 30 million were counted, then the British Empire is "winning" by a huge margin.30 million would almost cover India alone, before we even started on the rest.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 1 Sep 19:22
So the rapidly increasing gig economy is the fault of the EU single market? In which case Benn would have be happy that we are leaving. Of course the real reason that Benn wanted us out of the eec is that it was dominated by Germany. He felt that nations of Europe that had been occupied by the Germans now hated yet felt subservient to them. Some would say he was talking cobblers.
Yeah the British Empire would have a pretty high number as well. Strange how depending on one's political views some famines are worthwhile while others are despicable. I'm sure Tony Benn would have also been gushing in praise of those bastions of the old Empire as well.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 1 Sep 19:35
People seldom enjoy being held to the same standards that they expect of others: I know I don't!
I don't know about Benn in particular, but the Left in Britain has traditionally been suspicious of the European project because the Unions have been wary of what freedom of movement means for their members.
The increasing gig-economy is down to a number of factors but the downward pressure on wages caused by a more fluid labour market has definitely exposed more people to it than would have otherwise.
The British Left see the EU as a tool of the neo-liberal project and would rather pursue other economic goals (the civil service is apparently crapping itself right now in case they have to learn a load of new economic theory if Labour win) some of which are counter to EU goals.
I imagine the JRM and co are the same except they would change different things.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Thu 10 Oct 23:13
Well Cap looks like the police think that wee cat scratch deserves three guys getting charged.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 12 Oct 08:17
The right wing promote violence, as we've seen live on the idiotbox the last few weeks, they promote violence because they know their compliant pig force will protect them and they know the thick and stupid will carry it out for them.
All things Tory are scum, utter scum....you vote Tory, yep, you too are scum.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 12 Oct 08:56
That's easier to say in Scotland. In England there's not many options. Vote Labour and get incompetence, vote Lib Dem and get "something...maybe...sort of", vote Tory and get posh incompetence.
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Sat 12 Oct 09:38
“All things Tory are scum, utter scum....you vote Tory, yep, you too are scum.”
That’s a pretty inflammatory statement even for this web site.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 12 Oct 09:50
Just trying to be 'edgy'.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sat 12 Oct 11:02
Quote:
parbucks, Sat 12 Oct 09:38
“All things Tory are scum, utter scum....you vote Tory, yep, you too are scum.”
That’s a pretty inflammatory statement even for this web site.
I agree that it's inflammatory but it's not wrong either.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 12 Oct 11:37
Nah its absolutely wrong and highly offensive.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 12 Oct 14:48
What have Tories done for anyone but themselves?
I stand by it.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 12 Oct 16:20
Oooft that's a fair statement to make it. Fancy telling us all who to vote for then wise one?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 12 Oct 16:44
I agree with him. The Tory party are scum: 130,000 dead as a result of austerity should be enough to tell anyone that.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 12 Oct 17:59
He didn't just say that. He said anyone that votes Tory (which I don't by the way) is scum. People that hold a different view are scum. Really is that the level of debate.
Now imagine that Nigel Farage labels anyone who is against Brexit as scum. Don't agree with Scottish independence? Scum. Voting for a party I don't like? Scum.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 12 Oct 18:13
I gave a pretty glaring reason to justify my position: have independence supporters caused 130,000 deaths?
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 12 Oct 18:17
Whatever Wotsit. I don't believe that someone who votes Conservative is scum. You do. Let's just agree to disagree.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 12 Oct 19:02
I've got to admit, I haven't met many people that would own up to voting tory, but those I have met do tend to be loathsome, self centred creatures
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sat 12 Oct 19:10
"All things Tory are scum, utter scum....you vote Tory, yep, you too are scum."
The tolerant face of the left, right there. Sad little individual.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 12 Oct 20:07
At least he didn't kill 130,000 people.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 12 Oct 20:25
Idealistic Tory austerity.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 12 Oct 21:15
You not learned to address the issue yet?
What's your (reasoned) opinion of the studies which have estimated the additional deaths attributable to withdrawal of funding from, for example, key community education; health; welfare; and information services which had been previously keeping people alive?
What about the dramatic increase in rough sleeping since 2010?
The fact that violent crime is rising for the first time since Thatcher?
Does any of that bother you? Do you even think about it? Or are you happy just using derogatory language to flippantly dismiss others' views and counting that as being politically engaged?
As an aside, and as a way to justify my use of the word "idealistic" earlier, I just wanted to ask if you have seen the shocking rise in the debt/GDP ratio since 2010?
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 12 Oct 21:32
Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sat 12 Oct 20:44
Keep howling at the moon
Great to see you back Captain with your measured constructive reply's
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
Post Edited (Sat 12 Oct 21:34)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 13 Oct 07:27
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 12 Oct 08:17
All things Tory are scum, utter scum....you vote Tory, yep, you too are scum.
I'm no Tory lover, but that is a nonsense statement. Rastapari is an intelligent individual, so he won't believe it himself.
There were - and still are - some relatively decent Tories around, such as the 21 MPs who had the whip removed for voting against the Government. Then there are all those millions of misguided people who believe the Tories are the best party to form a government, because they portray themselves as prudent and sensible, attributes which especially resonate with older, middle-class voters. The Labour party has become a hopeless rabble with an unelectable leader, who can't even agree on almost anything among themselves. And the Lib Dems - let's just not go there, eh?
So there you have it - the Tories are in power and are likely to continue to be so, because the opposition is feckless.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Sun 13 Oct 08:16
An awful lot of anti Indy people voted and will continue to vote tactically, even Tory if needs must. Otherwise the anti Indy vote ends up up split.
Every SNP MP had their majority hammered at the last GE. The pro Indy faction is a minority in every seat.
Well done the anti Snipper brigade, we are getting better but must try harder.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 13 Oct 12:33
Ahh, Capt Des back with ignoring the question and poor retorts and now here's Mario twisting everything to use terms like Nats.
Regarding what Rasta said, I somewhat agree. The Tories are vile, self serving c***s. They are systematically murdering the poor of the UK and nobody cares. Vote for the Tories and you're saying you agree with Austerity.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 13 Oct 13:06
I'm going off independence more and more with each passing day. More than three quarters of a million Scots voted Conservative at the last general election. To you guys though they are all scum. Nothing else that they do in their lives or who they help matters. They must be scum because every so often they go to their local primary school or community centre and put a cross in a box against a party who have a viewpoint I don't agree with.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Sun 13 Oct 13:50
Nats? Who said Nats? Who’s twisting now?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 13 Oct 14:35
😀
Post Edited (Mon 14 Oct 16:20)
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sun 13 Oct 14:55
Where did this figure of 130,000 come from?
It seems to be accepted as fact, yet from memory (a) it was a different figure originally (b) it involved some dubious extrapolations and (c) it involved some even more dodgy allocation of effects to causes.
And what is austerity? Public Spending Cuts? All parties were in favour of those.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Sun 13 Oct 15:23
Given that the good people of this area voted exactly in line with the overall Indy referendum, majority of Pars fans must be of a non Indy persuasion.
Based on the 2017 GE 35% of us are in the SNP camp, 24% Labour. That’s the cheap seats .
The centre stand is a mixture of the LIbDummies who got 6% and Tories on 34%. The right wing stand is of course a total hotbed of rabid Toryism.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 13 Oct 15:38
Where did this figure of 130,000 come from?
The Institute for Public Policy Research. It was closer to 131,000 though.
It seems to be accepted as fact, yet from memory (a) it was a different figure originally (b) it involved some dubious extrapolations and (c) it involved some even more dodgy allocation of effects to causes.
a) I imagine that it is changing, given that people are still dying - Universal Credit is killing people every week.
b)/c) I thought you had no idea where it came from? Now you know the details? Are you acting in good faith here or are you just casting random doubt for tactical reasons?
And what is austerity? Public Spending Cuts? All parties were in favour of those.
I'm not sure I believe you. And if you're right, were they all in favour to an identical extent?
I suppose one way to judge would be to find out which parties voted in favour of the Tory proposal since it was the one enacted and the one which is currently under discussion.
After all, the Green Party's proposal for austerity (if they had one) is kind of moot no?
What about all current party leaders (seems like a more reasonable way to assess current options) which of those was in favour? Were any against?
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
Post Edited (Sun 13 Oct 16:21)
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Sun 13 Oct 16:47
“FactCheck verdict
Jeremy Corbyn shared a claim from a left-wing commentator that “Austerity was […] paid for with people’s lives, 120,000 people.”
It seems to come from a 2017 study that linked cuts to government healthcare to extra deaths that occurred in the 2010s compared to the number we’d have expected to see had the mortality trends of the 2000s continued.
But the study is limited by a number of factors. The “120,000” figure comes from data covering 2012 to 2014 which was then extrapolated to cover 2010 to 2017.
More importantly, it does not prove that austerity policies actually caused the recorded and estimated extra deaths. As scientists from the Universities of Cambridge and East Anglia have noted, there are various other explanations for the change in death rates (e.g. different diseases affecting people of the same age).
Ultimately, we cannot say — based on the evidence in this study — that austerity policies caused 120,000 extra deaths.”
Let’s stick to facts not some left wing propaganda.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 13 Oct 16:54
I'd be surprised if austerity saved any lives.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 13 Oct 17:18
It's always difficult to measure the impact of a policy. We only have estimates of the deaths caused by Stalin or Mao's policies and if the rationale for getting to the widely quoted numbers were examined they would start to crumble.
However, we still use those numbers to indicate the negative impact of a policy on the people against whom it was enacted. This is partly out of convenience but it is also a sort of socio-historical warning against going down the same road again - the Cultural Revolution was cruel and misguided, let's harshly judge the folk who did it and remember not to do it again.
Mao might not have been responsible for the number of deaths everybody thinks, but that doesn't mean that the Cultural Revolution was any less devastating to its victims.
Austerity has been massively less devastating than the Cultural Revolution but it was no less ideologically inspired and both have failed in quite destructive ways.
Austerity was a last gasp attempt to save the ideology of market fundamentalism whose roots lie in Thatcher's time, when the UK became the test-bed for Reagonomics (remember how often we heard the term "trickledown" in those days? At least they have stopped with that obvious lie.)
Banking regulations had been destroyed to such an extent that they imploded and our response was to close health education and welfare services whilst giving the banks more cash. In what sense is that a rational response?
It wasn't a rational response though, was it? It was a frantic attempt to shore up a system that has been failing for all but a few since the day it started.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sun 13 Oct 17:56
I agree that its extremely difficult to say for sure how many deaths were linked to austerity but any responsible Government would have investigated the reports to ensure their policies wouldn't have actually killed anyone.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 14 Oct 20:45
Well well don't the right wing disciples hate a mirror being held up....some snowflakery of the highest order from people who tactically vote to screw over the most vulnerable in society....suck it up...you're despised.
GG you are right, I'm not a garden variety gammon...however...I stand by what I said ;)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 14 Oct 21:21
A comment from Rasta on the Joker thread;
"There is a commentary that suggests this film inspires violence.....it inspires me to try and be kind, to look at people and see them."
The inspiration obviously didn't last long.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 14 Oct 21:37
Quote :-
Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sun 13 Oct 17:56
I agree that its extremely difficult to say for sure how many deaths were linked to austerity but any responsible Government would have investigated the reports to ensure their policies wouldn't have actually killed anyone.
I think you have answered the question lpf in that this is not a responsible government
Many have suffered and died because of they're policy's ....not just the poor, disabled, homeless, and low income families who had to struggle with benefit cuts and have had to endure weeks without any money when universal credits kicked in....or didnae kick in for many weeks
Factor into the equation 20,000 less police 10,000 less fire fighters add in the deaths from violent crime, knife crime, drug related crime, suicides, fire related deaths et al, The Grenfell Fire fighters did not even have the proper high rise equipment to save lives ...Why? ...because it saved money to pay off spiralling government debts .... Life is cheap ......In the Tory world .... just saying
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Mon 14 Oct 21:54
Bpp
That is a lot of pseudo anecdotal bs. Sorry.
Post Edited (Mon 14 Oct 21:57)
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Mon 14 Oct 22:02
Anecdotal truth unfortunately.Tories care for nothing but themselves.
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Mon 14 Oct 22:19
Donj
Another myth but if you say it often enough you will come to believe it sadly.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 14 Oct 23:38
Quote:
Buspasspar, Mon 14 Oct 21:37
Quote :-
Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sun 13 Oct 17:56
I agree that its extremely difficult to say for sure how many deaths were linked to austerity but any responsible Government would have investigated the reports to ensure their policies wouldn't have actually killed anyone.
I think you have answered the question lpf in that this is not a responsible government
Many have suffered and died because of they're policy's ....not just the poor, disabled, homeless, and low income families who had to struggle with benefit cuts and have had to endure weeks without any money when universal credits kicked in....or didnae kick in for many weeks
Factor into the equation 20,000 less police 10,000 less fire fighters add in the deaths from violent crime, knife crime, drug related crime, suicides, fire related deaths et al, The Grenfell Fire fighters did not even have the proper high rise equipment to save lives ...Why? ...because it saved money to pay off spiralling government debts .... Life is cheap ......In the Tory world .... just saying
https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/how-has-inequality-changed
You'd never have guessed who came to power in 1979..
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 15 Oct 08:25
LPF
Thats an interesting read thank you
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 15 Oct 10:11
You are very welcome.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 16 Oct 14:54
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 14 Oct 21:21
A comment from Rasta on the Joker thread;
"There is a commentary that suggests this film inspires violence.....it inspires me to try and be kind, to look at people and see them."
The inspiration obviously didn't last long.
That comment stands too, I will be kinder to those who are vulnerable, not those Tories who make them more so.
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