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 Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 19:06

Looks like Dennis Skinner was correct :-


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56681939

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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 20:07

As per, nothing will happen, criminals policing criminals..

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 20:58

Spot on Rasta .... they look after their own

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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 21:02

Been rumbling on for a while now, Sunak implicated, it was it not Cameron that set up the committee that investigates?

Ministerial Code broken again, surely not!

Or does that only apply North of the border?🤔🤮🤬😡🤬

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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 21:25

They are all pigs in the trough. Nothing will come of it though, it'll all be swept under the carpet again. If it had happened in the Scottish Government though, it would have been front page news for months
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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 11 Apr 19:37

Ach looks like its all OK now he should have sent a letter :) :-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56712418

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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 11:43

Makes you want to throw up, doesn`t it?

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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 11:53

Scottish Government now getting dragged into the myre now, Fergus Ewing seems to have met them 2017!

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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 15:42

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LochgellyAlbert, Mon 12 Apr 11:53

Scottish Government now getting dragged into the myre now, Fergus Ewing seems to have met them 2017!


Government officials from Westminster and Holyrood often have contact with lobbying groups. Thats not a huge issue.
David Cameron using his position and contacts within the Tory Party to Lobby for a group who were paying him is a whole different ballgame.
It's not the lobbying that's the issue its the exploitation of his position to do so.
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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 16:51

Aye!
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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 17:17

"Government to launch enquiry into Cameron's lobbying "

That'll be the whitewash out!
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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 09:28

It was called distemper when I was a boy L.A. :-))

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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 09:59

BJ was "working " in B&Q last week so he got a discount!

That covered the racism enquiry and Greensill, though the way it's developing he might need a few more tins!

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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 12:17

Its gaining momentum L.A. especially after it was known that Bill Crothers was working for Greensill and allegedly was given shares worth £5m

Also our chancellor Sunak did not bother to show up to face questions

The whole thing smells of schoite .... but I can`t see anything other than swept under the by now rather lumpy Tory carpet :(



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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 13:10

There`s a good article by Rafael Behr about Tory corruption in today`s Guardian:-

‘The spectacle of what David Cameron has become distracts attention from what he always was.’

If you are pulled over for a traffic offence in Britain, the fine is not usually settled with a wink and a roll of banknotes for the police officer. In court, judges do not rule in favour of the highest bidder. I have spent enough time in countries where cash bribery lubricates every cog of the state to believe that the UK is not, by global standards, corrupt.

Transparency International’s 2020 index of perceived corruption ranked Britain 11th in the world. For European context, that puts us eight places behind Finland, 12 above France and 118 clear of Russia, where the barrier between politics and theft has collapsed and the most prominent campaigner on the issue, Alexei Navalny, was jailed earlier this year.

British prime ministers do not build palaces with plundered national resources, for which restraint we can be grateful. But pride at having relatively clean politics invites complacency about behaviour that offends a spirit of public duty without breaking any laws. So it is with David Cameron contacting ministers on behalf of Lex Greensill, a financier whose business went bust last year. Greensill previously had an ill-defined advisory role in Cameron’s government. His company seems to have enjoyed extraordinary licence to straddle the boundary between public and private sectors. One senior Whitehall official from the Cameron era was hired to advise the Greensill board while still formally employed as a civil servant.

The former prime minister has broken no rules, although he acknowledges that, “to avoid misunderstanding”, contact with the current cabinet should have been conducted “through only the most formal of channels”. But access to the least formal channels is presumably a reason why Greensill had him on the books. Cameron also pleads extenuating circumstances in a national emergency. He was promoting financial bridges in a pandemic, when small businesses were falling into credit gaps.

Wartime expediency has also been the government’s defence against allegations of cronyism when awarding public contracts in the battle against coronavirus. Corners were cut and friends of the Tory party might have benefited, but apparently there was no time for proper procedures. The virus moved too fast.

That cover story can’t apply to non-Covid cosiness. There was no pandemic in November 2019, for instance, when newspaper tycoon Richard Desmond attended a Tory fundraising dinner and buttonholed Robert Jenrick, the housing minister, over a property scheme for which he needed, and was later granted, planning permission. The decision was overturned in court. Jenrick said the two men had been seated together “inadvertently”.

It is hard to measure the impact...



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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 13:13

It is hard to measure the impact of any single story on public opinion. There has been a steady corrosion over many years of the idea that politicians serve their electors foremost. Ordinary folk are in the queue for attention, but the rich get backstage passes.

These things are partly cyclical. After a long incumbency, sleaze stories collect like bags under the eyes of a haggard government. Ministers get arrogant from the habit of power, and wield it lazily.

Boris Johnson is not a man to lose sleep over lapses in probity. But he remembers the putrescence of the John Major years and its deep contamination of the Tory brand. He should fear any return of the whiff. Downing Street has ordered a review into Greensill Capital’s involvement in government, including Cameron’s lobbying. It will be conducted by Nigel Boardman, a corporate lawyer and non-executive director at the Department for Business.

The immediate purpose of such an inquiry is deflection of awkward questions. Ministers can withhold comment pending the investigator’s report. A bonus function is that the present prime minister gets to hang a steaming cauldron of ignominy over the head of an old rival. The competition between them, dating back to Eton school days, is without ideological content but thick with national consequence, since it put them on opposing sides of the Brexit debate.

There is something pitiful about the slide in Cameron’s status from running the government to sending it needy text messages. But the spectacle of what he has become distracts attention from what he always was. This is a man born into the trade of establishment favours. He is a distant cousin of the Queen. His first job interview at Conservative headquarters was supported by a caller from Buckingham Palace who has never been identified but is reported to have flagged up the aspiring researcher as “a truly remarkable young man”.

Maybe Cameron deserved that accolade. It takes skill to maximise opportunities that come past on a journey up the elite escalator. “I think I’d be rather good at it,” he said once, when asked why he wanted to be prime minister. Events should have disabused him of that notion. But he is no better equipped for realistic self-appraisal than Johnson, in whom no one suspects altruistic motive for seeking high office. For both men, the glamour of power is only temporary compensation for the privations of a ministerial salary – a fraction of what their privileges might parlay out of the private sector.

Cameron acknowledges that a line was crossed with Greensill, but only because a ray of media attention illuminated that line’s existence. There would be no qualm if the whole business had been kept in its proper place, behind heavy oak-panelled doors.

It was all meant to stay in the enchanted realm of informal power...



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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 13:17

It was all meant to stay in the enchanted realm of informal power, beyond Westminster station’s platform nine and three-quarters, accessed via the serene sense of entitlement to be there. It is a place with its own codes of patronage and mutual assistance that are so woven into the political fabric that we treat them as decor, not decay. One example: prime ministers reward friends, advisers and financial benefactors with peerages because it is the custom. Other countries use a different word when seats in parliament’s upper chamber are handed out as prizes for loyalty to the leader.

What we glimpse in Cameron’s political afterlife is that shaded zone in British public affairs where chains of accountability dissolve; where a liquid fusion of money and social pedigree flows unimpeded between state institutions, parliament and the Tory party.

British politics is not riddled with corruption. But it is decadent in many ways, rotten in places, and has been this way for so long that we hardly react to the smell.

Rafael Behr is a Guardian columnist

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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 16:43

Good article wee eck, the Tories setting up their own enquiry does not bode well given their report on antiracism, in fact their are rumblings already regarding the head of the enquiry.

Jenrick is up to his neck in shorter already but seems to be made of Teflon.

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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 19:10

So the labour motion for a larger enquiry into lobbying is defeated by the Tory whip, something to hide?

Chairman of enquiry has an interesting past!

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/12/david-cameron-faces-unprecedented-inquiry-into-greensill-scandal-boris-johnson-orders-independent-investigation?__twitter_impression=true
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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 19:27

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/fury-boris-johnson-picks-good-23913121.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true
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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 22:18

It does not really matter what they have done, they will get away with it. The media will say nothing, the law will side with them, and there isn't a single thing we can do about it
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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 09:56

The political lobbying system is just a way to make corruption legal.


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 10:35

Nice discussion but the Tories will face no justice, they'll just rewrite the rules to fit their crimes..
We all know it.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: Dodgy Dave
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 14:26

Former commissioner of the Met now being named, was employed by Greensill whilst being on the cabinet.

How much money do these people need?🤔🤬🤬🤬
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