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 Rebel
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 27 Oct 16:20

Ash Regan, a minister in Scottish govt, has quit her post over the Gender recognition self Identification bill.
Surely not the last over a proposal I presume is opposed by the majority of women.
Anyway good for her standing up for her principles, which will cost cost her a considerable hit financially and also being ostracised for her pains..
Sturgeon’s acceptance letter is about as icy and ungracious as you would expect from yon control freak.

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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Thu 27 Oct 16:40

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Parboiled, Thu 27 Oct 16:20

Surely not the last over a proposal I presume is opposed by the majority of women.


You presume wrong. Polls show huge support among both women and men for the GRA.
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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 27 Oct 19:31

Prove it

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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Thu 27 Oct 19:40

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Parboiled, Thu 27 Oct 19:31

Prove it


There are literally dozens of polls that have been done.

You can search for them all yourself.

Here`s the first one on a Google search.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-shows-support-for-making-gra-process-easier-3572306
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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Thu 27 Oct 20:05

I support it.

The GRA is allowing trans people to get married, and die, with respect, and dignity. It also allows Article 8 of the ECHR re privacy.

”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 27 Oct 20:07

I must say I`d never heard of this lady until today. I`ve always thought that matters like this should be subject to a free vote rather than debated along party lines. I think this is the Tory view so, for once, I agree with them.

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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Thu 27 Oct 20:13

Don`t let the door hit you on the way out
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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 27 Oct 20:21

Why would women in particular vote against it? It doesn`t effect women anymore than anyone else.
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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 27 Oct 20:57

Yes Jake, I’m sure there are ladies dying to get into chaps’ bogs and changing rooms. Well maybe a few…!

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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Thu 27 Oct 21:09

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Parboiled, Thu 27 Oct 20:57

Yes Jake, I’m sure there are ladies dying to get into chaps’ bogs and changing rooms. Well maybe a few…!


Trans women already have the right to use women`s toilets and changing rooms under equalities act. And have been doing so. The legislation just removes the need to get a medical diagnosis of dysmorphia.
The specialist doctors and Trans people have all been asking for this.
The people against the GRA actually want to remove rights trans people already have.
It was introduced in Ireland 5 years ago and none of the issues raised by those against it have happened.
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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower  
Date:   Thu 27 Oct 21:20

Is this the issue that has led to the fuss with J K Rowling?

I haven`t really been following it, but is there a fear that men with evil intent will use "self-identification" to gain access to women only areas to cause trouble?

This seems to be one of those policy areas where the subject is the most important thing in the world to a very few people, and of minimal interest to everyone else, yet somehow becomes an enormous battlefield. (And one where misunderstandings abound).

It is unusual for elected SNP members to rebel. It will be interesting to see how NS reacts.

Does it have any implications for amateur sport?

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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 28 Oct 13:09

Finance Sec Kate Forbes is on maternity leave, but as a devout “Wee Free” this issue would have been a tricky one for her.
SNP are renowned for tight discipline so this mini revolt is a jolt for the leadership.
Anyway good to see those defying their leaders and voting in accordance with their conscience, including the two Tory members who supported the bill. More free thinkers the better.



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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Fri 28 Oct 14:12

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Parboiled, Fri 28 Oct 13:09

Finance Sec Kate Forbes is on maternity leave, but as a devout “Wee Free” this issue would have been a tricky one for her.
SNP are renowned for tight discipline so this mini revolt is a jolt for the leadership.
Anyway good to see those defying their leaders and voting in accordance with their conscience, including the two Tory members who supported the bill. More free thinkers the better.



Not if their "free thinking" is based on religious beliefs. Then it`s not really free thinking.
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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 28 Oct 19:34

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McCaig`s Tower, Thu 27 Oct 21:20

Is this the issue that has led to the fuss with J K Rowling?

I haven`t really been following it, but is there a fear that men with evil intent will use "self-identification" to gain access to women only areas to cause trouble?

This seems to be one of those policy areas where the subject is the most important thing in the world to a very few people, and of minimal interest to everyone else, yet somehow becomes an enormous battlefield. (And one where misunderstandings abound).

It is unusual for elected SNP members to rebel. It will be interesting to see how NS reacts.

Does it have any implications for amateur sport?


Effects less than 1% of the population apparently. Wonder why it wasn't in the nuSNP manafesto?


Any update on the gold standard s30 Indy vote ?

Less than a year away and everyone is buzzing (not)

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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 28 Oct 21:20

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Parboiled, Thu 27 Oct 20:57

Yes Jake, I’m sure there are ladies dying to get into chaps’ bogs and changing rooms. Well maybe a few…!


Tell me you have no clue about the Gender Recognition Act without telling me you have no clue about the Gender Recognition Act...

The right you are referring to has been in place for a number of years.

Can tell it`s been a while since you`ve been in a leisure centre. They also moved to unisex changing "villages" some time ago.
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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sat 29 Oct 15:01

Try being in a busy pub or festival 😉
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 Re: Rebel
Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Sun 30 Oct 21:58

Actually remember standing at urinal and a woman walked in and straight into cubicle.Queue for ladies was huge and she decided that stuff it those guys don`t use it and in.Doubt if she washed her hands though.

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