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 Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 08:42

Couple of articles , one by the recently appointed Lord Frost on removing from Scotland many of the existing powers that the Scottish Parliament has, and another by Craig Murray on the management of the Parliament

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/holyrood-uproar-lord-frost-says-29759471#amp-readmore-target

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/04/it-is-the-union-that-is-collapsing/

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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 11:50

The more powers the better, the bigger the mess, the greater the number of folk who would gladly see the ugliest building in our beautiful capital bulldozed.

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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 12:36

I thought London was the capital for Unionists?

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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 12:58

Rule from Brussels for Nats?

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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 13:09

You can leave the EU voluntarily if you want.

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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 13:54

That Lord Frost doesn`t seem to have his finger on the pulse. Even political lightweights like Murdo Fraser and Stephen Kerr are dismissing his thoughts as nonsense. And they know nonsense
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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 14:34

You`d hope any threats to remove devolution in Scotland would be met with massive, appropriately escalating protests. I wish Brits were more like our French neighbors when the Government starts their usual BS
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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 15:29

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red-star-par, Fri 21 Apr 13:54

That Lord Frost doesn`t seem to have his finger on the pulse. Even political lightweights like Murdo Fraser and Stephen Kerr are dismissing his thoughts as nonsense. And they know nonsense


They`re dismissing it because Frost`s suggestions if persued removes many from the gravy train, in particular Fraser, who has served in the Scottish Parliament since last century on a list ticket never ever been voted on.
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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 15:33

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Andrew283, Fri 21 Apr 14:34

You`d hope any threats to remove devolution in Scotland would be met with massive, appropriately escalating protests. I wish Brits were more like our French neighbors when the Government starts their usual BS


I`d rather have Independence than devolution, it`s really past the point where politicians should realise that.
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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 15:45

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Tenruh, Fri 21 Apr 15:33

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Andrew283, Fri 21 Apr 14:34

You`d hope any threats to remove devolution in Scotland would be met with massive, appropriately escalating protests. I wish Brits were more like our French neighbors when the Government starts their usual BS


I`d rather have Independence than devolution, it`s really past the point where politicians should realise that.


As would I, but I`ll take current devolved powers over giving those back to England
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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 16:02

Eck, we could have left the UK but voluntarily decided not to.

63% of the electorate said no or were so happy with the status quo they just sat on their bums.

Btw Indy polling dropping like a stone.

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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 16:06

I agree the majority voted no, but you can`t claim those that didn`t vote are all on the side of union / status quo
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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 16:11

If you are not happy with the status quo you need to say so. If not you are a tacit “status quoer” !

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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 16:16

Meanwhile Andrew is getting his petrol can and Swan Vestas ready…

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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 16:19

…massive protests..oh ma sides. Will the Green wine bar revolutionaries be leading the way?

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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 16:32

Not necessarily true, my oldest was abroad at the time in China studying and couldn`t vote... And there will be loads of similar scenarios on both sides
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 16:38

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Parboiled, Fri 21 Apr 16:02

Btw Indy polling dropping like a stone.


Based on a Yougov poll of 1032 people, and we all know who runs Yougov!🤔🤥🤥🤥
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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 16:54

You can gauge the opinion of the whole electorate on a poll of 1,000 and when it comes to a referendum you can add in the votes of anyone who can`t be bothered turning up. That`s democracy for you.

All these commentators telling us how lucky we are to be part of the UK but none seem concerned that exit from it is in the hands of Westminster which will inevitably be controlled by a Unionist party.

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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 17:58

I`m not sure how many times it needs stated - the SNP would not exist in an independent Scotland.
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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 19:59

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jake89, Fri 21 Apr 17:58

I`m not sure how many times it needs stated - the SNP would not exist in an independent Scotland.


Going by the last 8 years performance, thankfully
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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 20:18

It would have been great having Labour and/or the Tories in charge of the Scottish Government.

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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 20:34

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wee eck, Fri 21 Apr 20:18

It would have been great having Labour and/or the Tories in charge of the Scottish Government.


It won`t matter whose in charge of the Scottish Government
It won`t change anything . It`s just a cash cow for everyone there.
That`s why it was set up originally. To kill independence done dead.

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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 20:48

Did you say that at the time?

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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 20:56

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wee eck, Fri 21 Apr 20:48

Did you say that at the time?


No, but if you had read the Murray link above you`d see corruption takes time to appear.
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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 21 Apr 21:07

Anyone can be wise after the event. I read all these bloggers with a bit of scepticism because I think a lot of them have an axe to grind.

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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 22 Apr 11:01

A different 1000 people!

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/support-for-scottish-independence-rises-to-56-after-supreme-court-ruling-stv-poll
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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 22 Apr 11:13

A different 1000 people LA but also a different year!

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: Devolution is a Trap
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 22 Apr 15:03

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The One Who Knocks, Sat 22 Apr 11:13

A different 1000 people LA but also a different year!


Sorry, so it is, came up on my twitter feed today!😲
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