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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 12 Oct 10:05
MP Lisa Cameron defects to the Tories. A bit of a damper on the SNP conference!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 12 Oct 10:20
She sounds like one of these SNP MPs Tenruh is always on about who was only there to further her career and had no real conviction about independence.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 12 Oct 10:22
What was wrong with the Greens? Another independence party at least.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 12 Oct 10:26
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 12 Oct 10:20
She sounds like one of these SNP MPs Tenruh is always on about who was only there to further her career and had no real conviction about independence.
Thanks for the belated recognition, but the Tories?
She was getting removed for her stance on the Patrick Grady affair....that`s the troughing over for her.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 12 Oct 10:43
She must have tossed a coin between Labour and the Tories and the Tories won. I bet her constituents are pleased they are now represented by a Tory! It`s farcical that MPs (or MSPs) can switch parties without recourse to the electorate.
Post Edited (Thu 12 Oct 11:06)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 12 Oct 11:25
Why did she not join Alba or at least sit as an Independent?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 12 Oct 11:31
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 12 Oct 11:25
Why did she not join Alba or at least sit as an Independent?
Probably looking to go into Holyrood as a list Tory?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 12 Oct 11:34
A Quisling wee eck
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 12 Oct 12:01
Still collecting that commission from WOS?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 12 Oct 13:08
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 12 Oct 12:01
Still collecting that commission from WOS?
A bit deflection there
If there`s any untruth in the article feel free to point it out.
We know who's getting the commission and it's not me.
Post Edited (Thu 12 Oct 13:09)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 12 Oct 14:33
Supposedly she was also critical of the GRA.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 12 Oct 15:20
Once again, in a relatively short time span, a sitting MP brings our archaic electoral system into disrepute.
She should do the decent thing and resign.
Less than 12% of the electorate voted Conservative there in the General Election in 2015 - what possible justification is there for the constituency now being represented a Tory ?
Of course she could take the honourable course of action, resign and stand as a Tory, if chosen, at the resultant by election...............with the same prospects as Margaret Ferrier perhaps ?
Post Edited (Thu 12 Oct 15:21)
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 12 Oct 15:35
You don`t vote for a political party, it`s the individual you vote for.
The last option both the tories and nuSNP would want at the moment is a by-election.
Wonder how long she`s been in the tories pockets....she`ll have been well debriefed.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 12 Oct 15:44
Another one in the same mould as Hanvey and MacAskill. Keep their head down to get elected and then, once voted in, make their true feelings known with their noses firmly planted in the trough.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 12 Oct 15:51
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 12 Oct 14:33
Supposedly she was also critical of the GRA.
Like 90% of all other females in Scotland apparently.
Wonder why the SNP support never turned out last Thursday.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 12 Oct 15:56
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 12 Oct 15:44
Another one in the same mould as Hanvey and MacAskill. Keep their head down to get elected and then, once voted in, make their true feelings known with their noses firmly planted in the trough.
All politicians noses are in the trough..the difference is Hanvey and MacAskill want independence not more devolved powers
Post Edited (Thu 12 Oct 15:59)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 12 Oct 16:26
"You don`t vote for a political party, it`s the individual you vote for. "
Therefore logically she should resign and stand as a candidate in a by election.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 12 Oct 16:43
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 12 Oct 16:26
"You don`t vote for a political party, it`s the individual you vote for. "
Therefore logically she should resign and stand as a candidate in a by election.
Logic doesn`t come into it.
She`s not broken any parliamentary rules by changing her political party.
Why should she be penalised for being bullied.
Post Edited (Thu 12 Oct 16:43)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 12 Oct 17:28
That`s the fault of our long outdated electoral system at Westminster level - you can stand and be elected then change parties and still remain as MP.
The Tories didn`t even come second, or anywhere near it, in the constituency 2015 - being represented by an MP where 1 in 8 voted for the her new party is farcical.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 12 Oct 17:31
We vote for individuals but the number of individuals who represent the same party are added up to see which party has the chance to form a government. In theory a number of them could defect the next day to another party which could then have a majority. Isn`t British democracy wonderful?
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Thu 12 Oct 17:35
There haven`t been many MPs who have fought a by-election after switching parties.
Dick Taverne retained Lincoln in the 70s
Bruce Douglas-Mann did and lost in the 80s.
Carswell and Reckless won for UKIP in 2014.
Can`t think of many more.
I don`t think Dick Douglas did when he joined the SNP.
Patrick Grady didn`t when he became an Independent (although he was let back in, which led to this)
If there were some rule about resignations then the MP would sit tight, vote with their conscience, then lose the whip. If you force a by-election every time that happens, then you`d always be having by-elections, or have the situation when a relatively few parliamentarians are overruling the wishes of the constituency.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 12 Oct 17:47
Quote:
McCaig`s Tower, Thu 12 Oct 17:35
There haven`t been many MPs who have fought a by-election after switching parties.
Dick Taverne retained Lincoln in the 70s
Bruce Douglas-Mann did and lost in the 80s.
Carswell and Reckless won for UKIP in 2014.
Can`t think of many more.
I don`t think Dick Douglas did when he joined the SNP.
Patrick Grady didn`t when he became an Independent (although he was let back in, which led to this)
If there were some rule about resignations then the MP would sit tight, vote with their conscience, then lose the whip. If you force a by-election every time that happens, then you`d always be having by-elections, or have the situation when a relatively few parliamentarians are overruling the wishes of the constituency.
What happens when a party removes the whip from an MP ? Does the party then resign?
Where does it end
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 12 Oct 18:01
If memory serves, Dick Douglas wasn’t an MP when he switched to the SNP - he had lost his seat in Feb. 1974 to George Reid in one of the biggest “shock” results in decades - and failed to regain it that October.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Thu 12 Oct 21:04
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 12 Oct 18:01
If memory serves, Dick Douglas wasn’t an MP when he switched to the SNP - he had lost his seat in Feb. 1974 to George Reid in one of the biggest “shock” results in decades - and failed to regain it that October.
It was much later he defected, late `80s/early `90s.
I remember being puzzled that the seat was described as a "Labour Hold" in 1992 (I think). So from that perspective it must be the party we were voting for not the candidate.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 12 Oct 21:06
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 12 Oct 18:01
If memory serves, Dick Douglas wasn’t an MP when he switched to the SNP - he had lost his seat in Feb. 1974 to George Reid in one of the biggest “shock” results in decades - and failed to regain it that October.
Douglas joined the SNP in 1990 while still a Labour MP for Dunfermline. He deflected to the SNP due to his stance re the poll tax. Surprised he never resigned to cause a by-election. ( tongue in cheek comment)
I remember running the Dunfermline half marathon in 1987. He entered the race, but may have got disqualified as he removed the sponsors name from his runners number.
Post Edited (Thu 12 Oct 21:17)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 12 Oct 22:19
I had forgotten that Labour gave Dick Douglas another chance after he lost Clacks & East Stirling in 1973 - twice.
Remarkable in that he`d managed to lose this seat after a 10,000 + majority from the previous election.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 14 Oct 08:45
Bullied out her house now as the locals aren`t happy.
What`s strange is she felt the need to inform the media of her whereabouts. Also strange that the reason for her sudden deflection relates to events from some months ago. If she`s that slow to do things then she will fit right in with the Tories but equally would be in her element in the SNP!
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sat 14 Oct 09:25
Quote:
jake89, Sat 14 Oct 08:45
Bullied out her house now as the locals aren`t happy.
What`s strange is she felt the need to inform the media of her whereabouts. Also strange that the reason for her sudden deflection relates to events from some months ago. If she`s that slow to do things then she will fit right in with the Tories but equally would be in her element in the SNP!
Her defection is down to her being deselected by SNP members who voted for her challenger on who will stand at next election.
The reason she was deselected has been building over time, first she became known was when Westminster had a vote on legalisation of abortion in Northern Ireland due to Stormont not sitting.
She voted against it on religious grounds against the wishes of her local SNP constituency group and her constituents.
At the time she was crying about online bullying, which was no more than valid criticism of her decision to vote based on her religious beliefs.
Then her outspoken opposition to trans rights against party policy and the views of her SNP constituency group.
Now she is crying about bullying again when it`s just more valid criticism. I don`t believe for a second she has received any threats but if she has the police should be involved and charge those making the threats.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 14 Oct 10:09
I`m aware she`s receiving counselling and it does seem like the support is needed. I don`t say that in a mean way. Politics can be highly stressful and it would appear her political leanings simply didn`t align well with the SNP. It would perhaps have been better for her to say that than throw around accusations. That said, I do think it sounds like she`s been under a lot of pressure and it`s good she`s sought out support.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 14 Oct 10:10
SIF, I could believe that she voted against the wishes of her snp constituency group as that would be a lot easier to gauge (a few dozen members maybe?) but how do you know she voted against the wishes of her constituents?
Also I don`t believe she only received `valid criticism`. That`s just not how it goes down these days. I don`t think it`s too outlandish to believe that she received a fair amount of personal abuse.
I`m not casting an opinion on her on way or another here by the way and I`m certainly not defending her.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 14 Oct 11:53
Mike Russell says she’s had a bizarre tantrum.
There is no room for ego politics he says ( meanwhile ego free Sturgeon signs off a lucrative deal on her memoirs having previously published one lauding her own speeches)
According to Mike this wasn’t the only only matter she was receiving treatment for…Yes Mike, were you sitting beside her in the doc’s consulting room? And tantrums are just another wimmin of a certain age thing?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 14 Oct 13:24
Joanna Cherry and Neile Hanvey were also bullied by the pack, and they quickly jumped on Margaret Ferrier, despicable bunch , that said the electorate let them know their feelings in Ferriers case.
And when a snowball ❄️ starts rolling it only gets bigger.
Bye bye nuSNP and their "in denial" following.
Lastly the nuSNP payroll all wanted the continuity candidate to replace Sturgeon but the one consideration they forgot about was , would the electorate accept it .
Bye bye you bisto slurpers.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 14 Oct 14:40
Let`s see how well Hanvey and Cherry get judged by the electorate next year eh?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 14 Oct 15:55
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 14 Oct 14:40
Let`s see how well Hanvey and Cherry get judged by the electorate next year eh?
If the nuSNP stand against Hanvey BLiS will get in.
It`ll be interesting how many seats nuSNP lose.
I`ll go for 26 ( hopefully more)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 14 Oct 17:00
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 14 Oct 15:55
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 14 Oct 14:40
Let`s see how well Hanvey and Cherry get judged by the electorate next year eh?
If the nuSNP stand against Hanvey BLiS will get in.
It`ll be interesting how many seats nuSNP lose.
I`ll go for 26 ( hopefully more)
Is this Parsboiled or Tenruh? Definitely someone that has no interest in independence
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 14 Oct 17:02
Quote:
red-star-par, Sat 14 Oct 17:00
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 14 Oct 15:55
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 14 Oct 14:40
Let`s see how well Hanvey and Cherry get judged by the electorate next year eh?
If the nuSNP stand against Hanvey BLiS will get in.
It`ll be interesting how many seats nuSNP lose.
I`ll go for 26 ( hopefully more)
Is this Parsboiled or Tenruh? Definitely someone that has no interest in independence
A bit like the nuSNP then ?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 14 Oct 17:18
I`d find it much easier if people would stop using their own personal nicknames for people and parties. It makes it much harder to understand than is necessary.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 14 Oct 17:41
Quote:
jake89, Sat 14 Oct 17:18
I`d find it much easier if people would stop using their own personal nicknames for people and parties. It makes it much harder to understand than is necessary.
OK I`ll up my game and spell it out a bit clearer going forward.
BTW, Andrew great comments on the Israeli thread,
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sun 15 Oct 19:25
Quote:
red-star-par, Sat 14 Oct 17:00
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 14 Oct 15:55
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 14 Oct 14:40
Let`s see how well Hanvey and Cherry get judged by the electorate next year eh?
If the nuSNP stand against Hanvey BLiS will get in.
It`ll be interesting how many seats nuSNP lose.
I`ll go for 26 ( hopefully more)
Is this Parsboiled or Tenruh? Definitely someone that has no interest in independence
Both, already been rumbled as being the same person when they forgot to switch accounts one day when posting in the same thread.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 15 Oct 21:06
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Sun 15 Oct 19:25
Quote:
red-star-par, Sat 14 Oct 17:00
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 14 Oct 15:55
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 14 Oct 14:40
Let`s see how well Hanvey and Cherry get judged by the electorate next year eh?
If the nuSNP stand against Hanvey BLiS will get in.
It`ll be interesting how many seats nuSNP lose.
I`ll go for 26 ( hopefully more)
Is this Parsboiled or Tenruh? Definitely someone that has no interest in independence
Both, already been rumbled as being the same person when they forgot to switch accounts one day when posting in the same thread.
Well there you go.....if you can categorically confirm that we are the same poster I`ll donate £500 to your charity of choice, If you cannot confirm it you can donate £100 to a charity of my choosing......
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sun 15 Oct 21:12
Quote:
Tenruh, Sun 15 Oct 21:06
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Sun 15 Oct 19:25
Quote:
red-star-par, Sat 14 Oct 17:00
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 14 Oct 15:55
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 14 Oct 14:40
Let`s see how well Hanvey and Cherry get judged by the electorate next year eh?
If the nuSNP stand against Hanvey BLiS will get in.
It`ll be interesting how many seats nuSNP lose.
I`ll go for 26 ( hopefully more)
Is this Parsboiled or Tenruh? Definitely someone that has no interest in independence
Both, already been rumbled as being the same person when they forgot to switch accounts one day when posting in the same thread.
Well there you go.....if you can categorically confirm that we are the same poster I`ll donate £500 to your charity of choice, If you cannot confirm it you can donate £100 to a charity of my choosing......
Sure admin could confirm it by checking ip addresses but it was an obvious error that you forgot to swap accounts.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 15 Oct 21:16
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Sun 15 Oct 21:12
Quote:
Tenruh, Sun 15 Oct 21:06
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Sun 15 Oct 19:25
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red-star-par, Sat 14 Oct 17:00
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Tenruh, Sat 14 Oct 15:55
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The One Who Knocks, Sat 14 Oct 14:40
Let`s see how well Hanvey and Cherry get judged by the electorate next year eh?
If the nuSNP stand against Hanvey BLiS will get in.
It`ll be interesting how many seats nuSNP lose.
I`ll go for 26 ( hopefully more)
Is this Parsboiled or Tenruh? Definitely someone that has no interest in independence
Both, already been rumbled as being the same person when they forgot to switch accounts one day when posting in the same thread.
Well there you go.....if you can categorically confirm that we are the same poster I`ll donate £500 to your charity of choice, If you cannot confirm it you can donate £100 to a charity of my choosing......
Sure admin could confirm it by checking ip addresses but it was an obvious error that you forgot to swap accounts.
Well let me know if you`re interested in backing up your allegation by taking the bet ?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 15 Oct 21:21
It`s a bit sad that, based on posts on here, someone who claims to support independence is assumed to be someone who is diametrically opposed to it.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 15 Oct 21:24
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 15 Oct 21:21
It`s a bit sad that, based on posts on here, someone who claims to support independence is assumed to be someone who is diametrically opposed to it.
Indeed Wee Eck, but do keep in mind a independence supporter is different from a SNP supporter.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sun 15 Oct 21:28
if you can categorically confirm that we are the same poster I`ll donate £500 to your charity of choice
Is that £250 each?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 15 Oct 21:31
Quote:
McCaig`s Tower, Sun 15 Oct 21:28
if you can categorically confirm that we are the same poster I`ll donate £500 to your charity of choice
Is that £250 each?
Hang on till I switch usernames
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 15 Oct 21:33
I`m Sparticus
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 16 Oct 09:08
..and I’m Caesar.
Oops wrong forum!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 28 Oct 14:12
Reagan to Alba. I wonder if she was bullied out too?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 28 Oct 15:32
Quote:
jake89, Sat 28 Oct 14:12
Reagan to Alba. I wonder if she was bullied out too?
Good riddance
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 28 Oct 16:15
Think she prefers independence and not devolution like what nuSNP want...slurp slurp slurp
Post Edited (Sat 28 Oct 16:34)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 28 Oct 18:31
Well she won`t have a seat after the next Holyrood election.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 28 Oct 19:35
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 28 Oct 18:31
Well she won`t have a seat after the next Holyrood election.
It truly is a funny old world when someone who actually wants Independence will probably lose her seat to someone who is happy taking the coin.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 28 Oct 22:19
I don`t remember her saying she would quit the party if she didn`t win her leadership challenge only a few months ago.
She will probably lose her seat to a unionist anyway so her desire for independence (which I suspect was only to further her career and get her nose in the trough anyway) won`t have any bearing on her election defeat.
Still she rode on Sturgeon`s coat tails and has taken several hundred thousand pounds in wages from the public purse in doing so.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 28 Oct 23:27
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 28 Oct 22:19
I don`t remember her saying she would quit the party if she didn`t win her leadership challenge only a few months ago.
She will probably lose her seat to a unionist anyway so her desire for independence (which I suspect was only to further her career and get her nose in the trough anyway) won`t have any bearing on her election defeat.
Still she rode on Sturgeon`s coat tails and has taken several hundred thousand pounds in wages from the public purse in doing so.
How long did it take you to realise Sturgeon was a traitor?
Why do you think she stood against the continuity candidate?
She`s explained herself today. Is she anymore a fake that Sturgeon is?
Was she wrong in giving up her cabinet position defending women`s rights
Here's her speech today
https://wingsoverscotland.com/an-absence-of-grace/
Post Edited (Sat 28 Oct 23:51)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 28 Oct 23:51
So you think she`s just as fake as Sturgeon?
So she put what she believes to be women`s rights ahead of independence.
Thing is she may have done better in the leadership election of so many of her supporters hadn`t given up on independence and left for Alba. All of those people should have fought harder to steer the SNP in the direction they wanted. Quitters though aren`t they. Certainly don`t have the spirit of The Bruce or that wee spider in the cave.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 29 Oct 00:21
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 28 Oct 23:51
So you think she`s just as fake as Sturgeon?
So she put what she believes to be women`s rights ahead of independence.
Thing is she may have done better in the leadership election of so many of her supporters hadn`t given up on independence and left for Alba. All of those people should have fought harder to steer the SNP in the direction they wanted. Quitters though aren`t they. Certainly don`t have the spirit of The Bruce or that wee spider in the cave.
Woman`s rights are definitely way ahead of Independence,
Why do you think the continuity candidate gave up his action against the Nursery a few weeks before Sturgeon resigned? Think it's called grooming. The country never voted for him as FM, Don't you think he should resign.
The troughers removed the members powers and the grassroots left the party, I think it is around 50,000 to this date. Why ?
At least British Labour got 50 years of slurping.
I believe the nuSNP have selected Brian Goodall to replace Douglas Chapman how do you think he'll do ?
Post Edited (Sun 29 Oct 00:40)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 29 Oct 08:11
Are NuSNP the Alba party?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 29 Oct 09:29
Women`s rights, trans rights, economy, defence, etc. All sorts of things are more important to different people than independence. It`s probably the biggest reason why you and I will never see and independent Scotland.
No heard anything about Chapman being deselected by the party members but it wouldn`t matter as I think there would be a good chance he`d be deselected by the electorate in twelve months anyway along with a couple of dozen other SNP MP`s and both the Alba ones.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 29 Oct 09:57
Actually what are you on about Tenruh? What`s called grooming?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 29 Oct 10:07
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 29 Oct 09:29
Women`s rights, trans rights, economy, defence, etc. All sorts of things are more important to different people than independence. It`s probably the biggest reason why you and I will never see and independent Scotland.
No heard anything about Chapman being deselected by the party members but it wouldn`t matter as I think there would be a good chance he`d be deselected by the electorate in twelve months anyway along with a couple of dozen other SNP MP`s and both the Alba ones.
I think Chapman may have jumped before he was pushed? All political parties will put in place the person they think have best chance of being elected.
MPs feel pretty pointless in Scotland tbh. Most of the things important to local people are more relevant to the local MSP. I genuinely don`t believe most people understand what`s council, what`s Holyrood and what`s Westminster. All politicians are bundled into the same pile
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 30 Oct 06:26
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The One Who Knocks, Sun 29 Oct 09:57
Actually what are you on about Tenruh? What`s called grooming?
The continuity candidate was given prior notice of Sturgeons run to the exit door, so was groomed well in advance of the two honest candidates.
Why did he drop his court case against the Seik family which ran the nursery? Didn`t look good when you want votes ?
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