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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 29 Oct 17:07
https://www.thenational.scot/news/24684795.snp-not-given-seat-westminsters-scottish-affairs-committee/
If anyone thinks we live in a democracy….think again.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 29 Oct 20:31
Genuine question but why is there an English MP sitting on the Scottish affairs committee? Regardless who is in power, surely it should be Scottish MPs? And why more Tories than Labour?!
Post Edited (Tue 29 Oct 20:32)
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Tue 29 Oct 23:26
jake89 wrote:
> Genuine question but why is there an English MP sitting on the
> Scottish affairs committee? Regardless who is in power, surely
> it should be Scottish MPs? And why more Tories than Labour?!
>
> Post Edited (Tue 29 Oct 20:32)
There are 6 Labour MPs on the committee and 2 Tories. 6 > 2.
And if you can have male MPs on the Women’s Select Committee, then I think we can have English MPs on the Scottish Affairs Committee.
And yes Desparado, we do indeed live in a democracy. The reason the SNP don’t have much influence is because they lost most of their MPs in an election in July.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Tue 29 Oct 23:37
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Tue 29 Oct 23:26
jake89 wrote:
> Genuine question but why is there an English MP sitting on the
> Scottish affairs committee? Regardless who is in power, surely
> it should be Scottish MPs? And why more Tories than Labour?!
>
> Post Edited (Tue 29 Oct 20:32)
There are 6 Labour MPs on the committee and 2 Tories. 6 > 2.
And if you can have male MPs on the Women’s Select Committee, then I think we can have English MPs on the Scottish Affairs Committee.
And yes Desparado, we do indeed live in a democracy. The reason the SNP don’t have much influence is because they lost most of their MPs in an election in July.
I had a chuckle at this, but then realised that you think that this is a serious post. Satire wouldn`t do it justice.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 30 Oct 11:50
And why shouldn`t English MPs be on this select committee? Have already forgotten what John Donne said 400 years ago?
"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of they friends`s or of thine own were. Any man`s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind"
Shame on all of you whom have neglected his wise words.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 30 Oct 13:49
What exactly does the SAC cover? Purely reserved matters presumably if it`s at Westminster?
Listening to Kemi Badenoch`s interview with Martin Geissler at the weekend, where he asked her if the Union was `voluntary`, she seemed to be saying Scotland`s place in the Union wasn`t just a matter for Scotland. Labour probably feel the same way. I suspect if we were ever granted another independence referendum it would have to include voters from all over the UK. I love these altruistic non-Scots so determined to protect us from ourselves!
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 30 Oct 14:56
What about Scots living in England? Surely they should’ve got to vote in the referendum. Or are they ‘non-Scots’?
Post Edited (Wed 30 Oct 15:05)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 30 Oct 15:14
They don`t live in Scotland so I`m not sure how relevant independence would be to them. It would also be extremely difficult to administer such a vote. How do you define a Scot in that context?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 30 Oct 15:46
Let’s not apply the ‘must be currently residing in Scotland’ qualifying criteria to our national football team.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 30 Oct 16:19
Unionist arguments get ever more desperate. Why not just tell us why it doesn`t make sense for people who live in Scotland to be able to vote for one government that runs their affairs and nobody else`s.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 30 Oct 16:30
Well Ted, let`s not apply that argument to England either as they would be missing out on Kane and Bellingham. Actually France and Portugal would be missing most of their top players as well.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 30 Oct 19:28
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Wed 30 Oct 15:46
Let’s not apply the ‘must be currently residing in Scotland’ qualifying criteria to our national football team.
Honest to God the level of debate on this forum has hit an all time low.
Why was Badenoch being interviewed about Scottish independence? Her party isn`t in power in the UK and is an almost irrelevance in Scotland.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 30 Oct 19:32
Strange question, Jake. Maybe she was asked the question because she is the potential leader of the only other party likely to form a UK government.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 30 Oct 20:10
‘Honest to God the level of debate on this forum has hit an all time low.’
Really? Worse than the time you and Red Star thought the Trump assassination attempt was staged? 😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 30 Oct 20:11
So the opinion of someone who *might* lead a party that *might* be in power in 5 years?! She then fluffed the answer massively by making the Union sound like the Hotel California.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 30 Oct 20:14
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Wed 30 Oct 20:10
‘Honest to God the level of debate on this forum has hit an all time low.’
Really? Worse than the time you and Red Star thought the Trump assassination attempt was staged? 😂😂😂
And yet the validity of the attempt continues to be questioned. Maybe Stephen King will write a book about it like he did with Kennedy?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 30 Oct 20:40
The Kennedy assassination wasn’t staged either.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 30 Oct 20:43
Think you`ve missed the point. Few people will know the truth and it will be debated for years and no doubt serialised, just as the Kennedy assassination was.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 30 Oct 22:17
jake89 wrote:
> Think you`ve missed the point. Few people will know the truth
> and it will be debated for years and no doubt serialised, just
> as the Kennedy assassination was.
The news cycle moves fast nowadays though. It’s news for a couple of days, and then we lose interest and move on to the next thing.
The Kennedy assassination Zapruder footage wasn’t shown on TV until 12 years after the event. So it endures in a way modern news stories don’t.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 30 Oct 22:37
"lose interest and move on" mmmhmm...
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 31 Oct 09:48
Aye, when it comes to Scottish “affairs”nobody can shake a sporran to the randy SNP…twa of them even drew their claymores in a battle over the same wifie!
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 1 Nov 06:38
Badenoch has also said that any migration needed for Scotland should come from England and other pastas of the uk
Feels like a deliberate or inadvertent China approach… eg promote core Chinese people to move to an area, so that they counter any rise in separation calls or devolved variance from central gov.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Fri 1 Nov 08:40
DBP wrote:
> Badenoch has also said that any migration needed for Scotland
> should come from England and other pastas of the uk
>
> Feels like a deliberate or inadvertent China approach… eg
> promote core Chinese people to move to an area, so that they
> counter any rise in separation calls or devolved variance from
> central gov.
Other pastas of the UK? Worth every penne.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 1 Nov 08:40
Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 1 Nov 06:38
Badenoch has also said that any migration needed for Scotland should come from England and other pastas of the uk
Feels like a deliberate or inadvertent China approach… eg promote core Chinese people to move to an area, so that they counter any rise in separation calls or devolved variance from central gov.
A colonial mindset alive and kicking in the 21st century….Scotland is a country as the late great Alex Salmond said only recently. Unfortunately many so called self respecting proud Scots are quite happy it would seem for Scotland to be just a region. Quite sad really..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Fri 1 Nov 09:09
Nice pun Ted..sadly it will do little to cheer up the doleful dolts on here who laud a so called political giant who failed to achieve his dream.
As for this colonial crap, Scots must be unique in voting to retain that downtrodden status?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 1 Nov 10:42
Why don`t you just tell us what the benefits of the Union are? It shouldn`t take long.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 12 Nov 13:56
I wonder who the BBC, those stalwarts of the Union, are referring to in this report?
`Edinburgh University students have been talking about the kind of discrimination they have come across on campus. It comes as the university has warned students from privileged backgrounds not to be "snobs" towards their peers from Scottish and working-class backgrounds. The institution admitted class-related prejudice was a problem on campus. It said individuals from less well-off backgrounds were being "inadvertently or deliberately shamed by more privileged students".
Olivia Gallosi and Roni Sharp told BBC Scotland say they had experienced judgemental attitudes towards being Scottish or having to work. The guidance was issued after the newly-formed Scottish Social Mobility Society complained lecturers and students regularly mocked and mimicked individuals from north of the border.`
It smacks of colonialism to me.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Tue 12 Nov 14:43
Snowflakery.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 12 Nov 15:14
I agree. The perpetrators obviously have an inflated sense of their own importance.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 12 Nov 19:03
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 12 Nov 13:56
I wonder who the BBC, those stalwarts of the Union, are referring to in this report?
`Edinburgh University students have been talking about the kind of discrimination they have come across on campus. It comes as the university has warned students from privileged backgrounds not to be "snobs" towards their peers from Scottish and working-class backgrounds. The institution admitted class-related prejudice was a problem on campus. It said individuals from less well-off backgrounds were being "inadvertently or deliberately shamed by more privileged students".
Olivia Gallosi and Roni Sharp told BBC Scotland say they had experienced judgemental attitudes towards being Scottish or having to work. The guidance was issued after the newly-formed Scottish Social Mobility Society complained lecturers and students regularly mocked and mimicked individuals from north of the border.`
It smacks of colonialism to me.
Is this not an old story from a couple of months ago when a number of students spoke out about the disgusting comments being made about Scottish people by the Edinburgh uni students union?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 12 Nov 23:04
To be honest, anyone that comes here and has that sort of attitude deserves a good beating
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 12 Nov 23:32
Yeah, it`s like being invited to somebody`s house and crapping on their doorstep. But the Unionists will blame the locals for being parochial.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 13 Nov 00:15
‘Scottish Social Mobility Society’.
I bet they’re fun at parties 😂😂
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 13 Nov 09:14
It’s the fees from non Jock students that pay for free uni for Jocks. Belt up and be grateful…
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 13 Nov 09:29
Free uni? That`s a good one!
(Can someone change the thread title please? It impugns the standard of Scottish education).
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 22 Nov 06:23
Cuts to the Scottish Executive coming down the tracks with direct payments from the English government to the counties.
https://www.facebook.com/share/1EVDpimgJe/
Post Edited (Fri 22 Nov 06:30)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 22 Nov 08:07
Quote:
Tenruh, Fri 22 Nov 06:23
Cuts to the Scottish Executive coming down the tracks with direct payments from the English government to the counties.
https://www.facebook.com/share/1EVDpimgJe/
Didn`t you vote Labour?
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Fri 22 Nov 09:01
Given the Auditor General’s report detailing the making it up as they go along shambolic fiscal incompetence of the Scottish Govt the more funding diverted away from them to the front line the better…
And who is this “English” Govt anyway?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 22 Nov 09:07
Quote:
jake89, Fri 22 Nov 08:07
Quote:
Tenruh, Fri 22 Nov 06:23
Cuts to the Scottish Executive coming down the tracks with direct payments from the English government to the counties.
https://www.facebook.com/share/1EVDpimgJe/
Didn`t you vote Labour?
No, I never voted for an English political party,
But I see they won three Scottish by-elections
Yesterday.....obviously the Glasgow electorate prefer an English to a Scottish devolutionist party.....
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 22 Nov 12:33
Quote:
Parboiled, Fri 22 Nov 09:01
Given the Auditor General’s report detailing the making it up as they go along shambolic fiscal incompetence of the Scottish Govt the more funding diverted away from them to the front line the better…
And who is this “English” Govt anyway?
Tenruh is under the misconception that using incorrect names is witty when it just makes him look a bit daft.
Good to hear he voted Alba though.
I think we need to be clear here that the Scottish Government is best placed to serve the people of Scotland. However, this can only be successful if they LISTEN to them. Unfortunately, I`d argue the SNP government in Holyrood gave far to much weight to listening to the Greens who brought forward half-baked plans that were often simply mjnd-boggling. At the same time, I am FURIOUS at MSPs from the likes of Labour and the Lib Dems voting down bills simply because they were brought forward by the SNP. It`s pathetic and doesn`t work when you have an AMS system, which almost guarantees a coalition or minority government. These MSPs need a boot up the bottom . They are pointlessly holding the country back out of sheer pettiness. Everyone should be angry regardless of their views on unionism or independence.
On independence, it`s a great shame to see the cause all but dead as the UK continues to be on a downward trajectory. However, as Tenruh correctly implies, you won`t get independence through the SNP. The fact is you won`t get independence through ANY party right now. SNP are hopeless, Alba are an afterthought, the Greens have proven themselves to be batshit crazy at times.
So, given Scotland will be told to hush for at least the next 5 years, who is going to step up to represent independence?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 22 Nov 18:54
By that comparison are you equally sick of Dalgety Bay votes being disregarded because there are more MPs covering Glasgow seats meaning we`ll always get what the weegies want?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 23 Nov 06:59
Quote:
jake89, Fri 22 Nov 18:54
By that comparison are you equally sick of Dalgety Bay votes being disregarded because there are more MPs covering Glasgow seats meaning we`ll always get what the weegies want?
By the same comparison, I bet you cannot wait till the Holyrood election when the Labour, Tories and LibDems take power...as they should do by numerical dominance.
https://www.barrheadboy.com/what-kind-of-creature-is-this-union/
Post Edited (Sat 23 Nov 07:25)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 23 Nov 16:02
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 23 Nov 06:59
Quote:
jake89, Fri 22 Nov 18:54
By that comparison are you equally sick of Dalgety Bay votes being disregarded because there are more MPs covering Glasgow seats meaning we`ll always get what the weegies want?
By the same comparison, I bet you cannot wait till the Holyrood election when the Labour, Tories and LibDems take power...as they should do by numerical dominance.
https://www.barrheadboy.com/what-kind-of-creature-is-this-union/
The only benefit of a unionist coalition will be it`ll show Scotland just how much of an bottom they`ll make of things.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 27 Nov 20:41
They certainly will.
I wonder what they will roll back first?
Incredible to think that the Scottish electorate will vote for self harm again. Looks like Johann Lamont was right after all. What a laughing stock we are….
1. Free Tuition. We believe in education based on the ability to learn, not the ability to pay. While students in England face tuition fees up to £27,750, Scottish students receive university tuition for free, and always will under the SNP.
2. Record high health funding. We’ve invested over £19 billion in our health and care portfolio, with resource funding up by over 60% under the SNP.
3. Care For All. We extended free personal and nursing care to everyone who needs it, regardless of age.
4. The Baby Box. We’re giving every baby born in Scotland the best start in life by providing the Baby Box for free, filled with essential items needed in the first six months of a child’s life. Other countries, like Ireland, have since followed Scotland’s footsteps.
5. 1,140 hours of free, high-quality childcare. All eligible children now benefit from at least 1,140 hours of funded early learning and childcare, saving families around £4,500 per child per year - and we’re working to expand it even further.
6. New social security system, delivering 13 benefits. After the limited devolution of welfare powers, we have built Social Security Scotland - the new social security system based on dignity and respect, treating social security as an investment in Scotland’s people.
6. The Scottish Child Payment. One of the new benefits, the only one of its kind in the UK, has been called game-changing by charities and will help lift tens of thousands of children out of poverty. In 2022, we have increased it by 150% from £10 to £25 per week per child - five times what campaigners originally called for.
7. Free prescriptions. We have abolished NHS prescription charges in Scotland, which are now £9.35 per item south of the border.
8. Delivered over 118,000 affordable homes across Scotland. Scotland leads the way in the UK on building warm, safe affordable homes - and we’re working to deliver 110,000 more by 2032, the majority of them for social rent.
9. NHS staffing at a record high. Since the SNP took office, there is over 28,000 more doctors, nurses and other staff working in Scotland’s NHS, an increase of over 22%.
10. Free bus travel. Almost two million Scots enjoy free bus travel across the country, including over-60s, people with disabilities, and young people under the age of 22.
11. Lowest student loan debt in the UK. On top of free tuition, students are entitled to up to a minimum income guarantee of £7,750, benefit from low interest rates for student loan repayments, leaving their studies with the lowest average student loan debt in the UK. Learners with care experience are entitled to a non-repayable bursary of £8,100.
12. Free school meals for all children in P1-P5. We’re ensu
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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