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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 30 Jan 14:15
Why is the UK Gov quite happy to see this close ?
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 30 Jan 15:26
To think Leishman and Sarwar said vote Labour to save it!🤔🤬
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 30 Jan 15:27
Because, remember, the oil ran out in 2014 so why do we need one? 🫢
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 30 Jan 16:23
I read today that it needed a £60 million investment for a new Hydrocracker.
I suspect it might need more than that however what I can’t get my head around is why UK Gov are happy to give a reported £600 million grant to the Billionaire Ratcliffe so he can build a new plastics plant In Belgium. You know the Belgium that is part of the EU that we left.
Meanwhile hundreds of skilled job and many many more jobs will be lost for ever when our last remaining refinery shuts and UK Gov who could help to save it sit back and do nothing. Better together eh?
Maybe our resident unionists can explain why they don’t care about Scottish jobs.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 30 Jan 18:09
The tax dodging Ratcliffe?🤔
Is it Old Trafford that`s getting the stadium development money that Reeves mentioned yesterday?🤬
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 30 Jan 19:06
Reeves supports the development. Didn`t say any money was going towards it.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 30 Jan 22:19
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Thu 30 Jan 18:09
The tax dodging Ratcliffe?🤔
Is it Old Trafford that`s getting the stadium development money that Reeves mentioned yesterday?🤬
The government are putting money into redeveloping the surrounding area, not the stadium itself. Not sure if City got government backing for the same thing, although the Etihad is in an absolute dive of an area.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 31 Jan 10:37
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 30 Jan 22:19
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Thu 30 Jan 18:09
The tax dodging Ratcliffe?🤔
Is it Old Trafford that`s getting the stadium development money that Reeves mentioned yesterday?🤬
The government are putting money into redeveloping the surrounding area, not the stadium itself. Not sure if City got government backing for the same thing, although the Etihad is in an absolute dive of an area.
My sister taught at a school near the Etihad, said it was hell on earth, she could write scripts for "Shameless " with some of the stories!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 6 Feb 07:25
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Feb 06:40
Reality hits home now.
It`s the only country with oil and no refinery.
https://www.facebook.com/share/12FGUE3k6DH/
Reality hits home - Hanvey is still an idiot. He should know better than most that the Scottish government doesn`t have the funds to step in. The UK government certainly knows this. Hanvey could have made that point to fight for independence but instead has a go at Holyrood.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 6 Feb 08:38
Quote:
jake89, Thu 6 Feb 07:25
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Feb 06:40
Reality hits home now.
It`s the only country with oil and no refinery.
https://www.facebook.com/share/12FGUE3k6DH/
Reality hits home - Hanvey is still an idiot. He should know better than most that the Scottish government doesn`t have the funds to step in. The UK government certainly knows this. Hanvey could have made that point to fight for independence but instead has a go at Holyrood.
Right enough, the government has a bill for £200 million coming their way for the bottle bank scheme....What`s Hanvey got to with anything ? Thought the Independence movement was the SNP? Surely they`re the ones who should show some fight....to busy counting their wages...
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 6 Feb 10:42
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Feb 08:38
Quote:
jake89, Thu 6 Feb 07:25
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Feb 06:40
Reality hits home now.
It`s the only country with oil and no refinery.
https://www.facebook.com/share/12FGUE3k6DH/
Reality hits home - Hanvey is still an idiot. He should know better than most that the Scottish government doesn`t have the funds to step in. The UK government certainly knows this. Hanvey could have made that point to fight for independence but instead has a go at Holyrood.
Right enough, the government has a bill for £200 million coming their way for the bottle bank scheme....What`s Hanvey got to with anything ? Thought the Independence movement was the SNP? Surely they`re the ones who should show some fight....to busy counting their wages...
It`s Hanvey`s quote in your post!
Petroineos reported to be losing £150m per week. That`s a bit more than £200m in a scheme that was clearly sabotaged by Westminster. What change did Hanvey have when he was still an elected member? What about the last woman standing in Holyrood for Alba? How`s she changing things?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 6 Feb 11:14
Quote:
jake89, Thu 6 Feb 10:42
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Feb 08:38
Quote:
jake89, Thu 6 Feb 07:25
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Feb 06:40
Reality hits home now.
It`s the only country with oil and no refinery.
https://www.facebook.com/share/12FGUE3k6DH/
Reality hits home - Hanvey is still an idiot. He should know better than most that the Scottish government doesn`t have the funds to step in. The UK government certainly knows this. Hanvey could have made that point to fight for independence but instead has a go at Holyrood.
Right enough, the government has a bill for £200 million coming their way for the bottle bank scheme....What`s Hanvey got to with anything ? Thought the Independence movement was the SNP? Surely they`re the ones who should show some fight....to busy counting their wages...
It`s Hanvey`s quote in your post!
Petroineos reported to be losing £150m per week. That`s a bit more than £200m in a scheme that was clearly sabotaged by Westminster. What change did Hanvey have when he was still an elected member? What about the last woman standing in Holyrood for Alba? How`s she changing things?
You really need to let your bitterness go about Hanvey and the Alba party it`s not a good look .
Anyway it doesn`t change the fact that a skilled workforce are losing their jobs and our wee pretendy parliament done sweet FA about it.
Post Edited (Thu 06 Feb 11:16)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 6 Feb 11:27
Don`t know how a company that supplies fuel can make a loss?
Was good to see the Unite members down South supporting their comrades!
Post Edited (Thu 06 Feb 11:28)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 6 Feb 12:06
Amusing to see Tenruh chiding jake about `bitterness`!
Alba doesn`t seem to be a very happy party at the moment.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 6 Feb 16:16
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Feb 11:14
Quote:
jake89, Thu 6 Feb 10:42
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Feb 08:38
Quote:
jake89, Thu 6 Feb 07:25
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Feb 06:40
Reality hits home now.
It`s the only country with oil and no refinery.
https://www.facebook.com/share/12FGUE3k6DH/
Reality hits home - Hanvey is still an idiot. He should know better than most that the Scottish government doesn`t have the funds to step in. The UK government certainly knows this. Hanvey could have made that point to fight for independence but instead has a go at Holyrood.
Right enough, the government has a bill for £200 million coming their way for the bottle bank scheme....What`s Hanvey got to with anything ? Thought the Independence movement was the SNP? Surely they`re the ones who should show some fight....to busy counting their wages...
It`s Hanvey`s quote in your post!
Petroineos reported to be losing £150m per week. That`s a bit more than £200m in a scheme that was clearly sabotaged by Westminster. What change did Hanvey have when he was still an elected member? What about the last woman standing in Holyrood for Alba? How`s she changing things?
You really need to let your bitterness go about Hanvey and the Alba party it`s not a good look .
Anyway it doesn`t change the fact that a skilled workforce are losing their jobs and our wee pretendy parliament done sweet FA about it.
Mmm...pot calling the kettle black methinks. You literally spend every waking moment moaning about the SNP 😂
So how would Alba or yourself expect the SNP Holyrood Government over covering a £150m per week loss?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 6 Feb 16:33
Quote:
jake89, Thu 6 Feb 16:16
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Feb 11:14
Quote:
jake89, Thu 6 Feb 10:42
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Feb 08:38
Quote:
jake89, Thu 6 Feb 07:25
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Feb 06:40
Reality hits home now.
It`s the only country with oil and no refinery.
https://www.facebook.com/share/12FGUE3k6DH/
Reality hits home - Hanvey is still an idiot. He should know better than most that the Scottish government doesn`t have the funds to step in. The UK government certainly knows this. Hanvey could have made that point to fight for independence but instead has a go at Holyrood.
Right enough, the government has a bill for £200 million coming their way for the bottle bank scheme....What`s Hanvey got to with anything ? Thought the Independence movement was the SNP? Surely they`re the ones who should show some fight....to busy counting their wages...
It`s Hanvey`s quote in your post!
Petroineos reported to be losing £150m per week. That`s a bit more than £200m in a scheme that was clearly sabotaged by Westminster. What change did Hanvey have when he was still an elected member? What about the last woman standing in Holyrood for Alba? How`s she changing things?
You really need to let your bitterness go about Hanvey and the Alba party it`s not a good look .
Anyway it doesn`t change the fact that a skilled workforce are losing their jobs and our wee pretendy parliament done sweet FA about it.
Mmm...pot calling the kettle black methinks. You literally spend every waking moment moaning about the SNP 😂
So how would Alba or yourself expect the SNP Holyrood Government over covering a £150m per week loss?
There you go again...Alba Alba Alba...yawn.
https://www.barrheadboy.com/2025/02/06/labours-betrayal-of-grangemouth-and-scotland-a-fight-that-never-came/
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 6 Feb 16:59
Usual Tenruh, pointing fingers but providing no information on what he would do differently.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 6 Feb 17:17
Quote:
jake89, Thu 6 Feb 16:59
Usual Tenruh, pointing fingers but providing no information on what he would do differently.
What would you do ?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 6 Feb 17:45
Nothing. It`s a private company and they have made their decision. Ministers already engaged and got nowhere. The Scottish Government can`t afford £150m to keep it going and, as stated in the piece you`ve shared, the UK Government have more interest in supporting a refinery in Belgium than one in the UK.
What I would`ve hoped would be the Labour party might reconsider the Belgium plan but clearly they have no interest in doing so, reassuring me that no unionist party has Scotland`s best interests at heart.
This is another reason why I`d prefer Scotland to go its own way. Yes, it would still be limited in what it could control when it has a much larger neighbour who would no doubt intentionally attempt to sabotage things, but it`s doing that as part of the union anyway!
What would you have done that`s different?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 6 Feb 18:31
Quote:
jake89, Thu 6 Feb 17:45
Nothing. It`s a private company and they have made their decision. Ministers already engaged and got nowhere. The Scottish Government can`t afford £150m to keep it going and, as stated in the piece you`ve shared, the UK Government have more interest in supporting a refinery in Belgium than one in the UK.
What I would`ve hoped would be the Labour party might reconsider the Belgium plan but clearly they have no interest in doing so, reassuring me that no unionist party has Scotland`s best interests at heart.
This is another reason why I`d prefer Scotland to go its own way. Yes, it would still be limited in what it could control when it has a much larger neighbour who would no doubt intentionally attempt to sabotage things, but it`s doing that as part of the union anyway!
What would you have done that`s different?
Since the 70's I've voted SNP, but unfortunately, they`ve promised so much and delivered nothing, especially since they`ve gone over the last 10 year`s to favouring devolution over independence .
We need fighters in power and not skiters .
Going forward, I`ll not be voting for any party or individual who`s prepared to take the oath to another countries Monarch.
Maybe vote for folk like Eva Comrie with the list vote next year.
Post Edited (Thu 06 Feb 18:39)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 6 Feb 19:55
Did Sarwar not realise it was a private company when he was campaigning for Labour in the General Election?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 6 Feb 20:51
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 6 Feb 19:55
Did Sarwar not realise it was a private company when he was campaigning for Labour in the General Election?
Sarwar who also said how great GB energy would be by bringing thousands of jobs to Scotland?
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 7 Feb 10:40
Saw his interview yesterday it was appalling.
He categorically stated during the election campaign that a vote for Labour would save Grangemouth. Now he says that there is nothing they can do as it is run by a private company. The same private company that UK Gov are giving £600 million to, to build a plant in Belgium.
He then goes on to blame the Tories and the SNP for doing nothing when they knew it was going to close years ago. Did they ? And if they did then surely there was nothing they could do as it’s owned by a private company.
The big question that needs to be asked again and again is why UK Gov are giving money to help build a new plant in an EU country but refusing to spend a penny to save Grangemouth.
Better together eh ? An equal partner in the family of nations ! Aye right….
But this is what we voted for in 2014, to just watch helplessly from the sidelines.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 23 Feb 15:01
Starmer announces a £200m investment into Grangemouth from the UK government. The move has been tentatively welcomed by the unions.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 23 Feb 16:09
It`s not clear how quickly this money will have an effect on employment at Grangemouth. They are also saying anyone made redundant will be entitled to 18 months` pay.
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Topic Originator: Gun Mechanic Par
Date: Sun 23 Feb 16:52
It`s to far gone. We have people leaving from April onwards. Only 3 units are left on, and we are decommissioning the rest now. And yes, we are getting 18-month redundancy.
It`s too little too late for the staff.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 23 Feb 17:24
And we`ve lost our refinery to Belgium.
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Topic Originator: Gun Mechanic Par
Date: Sun 23 Feb 18:09
I hear your point reference the funding to Belgium, but it`s not a crude refinery like Grangemouth. it`s a different cracker for chemicals.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 23 Feb 21:49
18 month redundancy is pretty good. It gives folks a decent window to find something else.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 23 Feb 22:00
Aye its a shame the government were nowhere to be seen when 250 of us at Havelock were put out the door in Aug `19 with not even the previous month`s wages.
Redundancy payments were capped to the absolute minimum. I had 36 years service and got about 3 months money.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 23 Feb 23:35
Thames Water, a Privately owned company just like Ineos is getting a £3 billion bail out from U.K. tax payers…….I wonder what Sarwar will have to say..?
I still have not heard any U.K. Gov politician explain why by giving Ineos £600 million for their plant in Belgium and by association boosting the Belgian economy makes more sense than spending a similar amount to save Grangemouth, bearing in mind the economic damage Scotland will suffer with the closure.
It leads me to believe that it can only be deliberate. Wilful economic damage to Scotland in an attempt to make the prospect of independence much more difficult to achieve in their eyes.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 23 Feb 23:59
Thames Water isn`t getting a £3 billion loan from taxpayers. It`s a high interest loan from it`s current creditors.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 24 Feb 04:03
Quote:
desparado, Sun 23 Feb 23:35
I still have not heard any U.K. Gov politician explain why by giving Ineos £600 million for their plant in Belgium and by association boosting the Belgian economy makes more sense than spending a similar amount to save Grangemouth, bearing in mind the economic damage Scotland will suffer with the closure.
In the interests of being factual the UK gov is not ‘giving Ineos £600million’. They are providing a loan guarantee for a petrochemical plant that will bring plastic production to Europe on a scale not seen before - which massively increases plastic waste.
“In a significant development, the UK government has committed to providing a financial guarantee of EUR 700 million to Ineos, led by billionaire Jim Ratcliffe, for the construction of Project One.”
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 24 Feb 06:07
Quote:
JTH123, Sun 23 Feb 22:00
Aye its a shame the government were nowhere to be seen when 250 of us at Havelock were put out the door in Aug `19 with not even the previous month`s wages.
Redundancy payments were capped to the absolute minimum. I had 36 years service and got about 3 months money.
That’s ****.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 24 Feb 13:05
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 23 Feb 16:09
It`s not clear how quickly this money will have an effect on employment at Grangemouth. They are also saying anyone made redundant will be entitled to 18 months` pay.
Starmer jumping on this, Petroineos had already agreed to this with the consultation period last year that the workers would get 18 months redundancy.......
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 24 Feb 13:25
What I read into the mention of redundancy pay was that it was a warning that it would be some time before the additional investment would have an effect on alternative employment for those who would be paid off. Starmer would be wanting to appear to take credit for it though by mentioning it at the same time as the £200m.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 24 Feb 13:38
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 24 Feb 13:25
What I read into the mention of redundancy pay was that it was a warning that it would be some time before the additional investment would have an effect on alternative employment for those who would be paid off. Starmer would be wanting to appear to take credit for it though by mentioning it at the same time as the £200m.
Nope , it`s nothing to do with any additional investment and he`s made a faux pas, by making it seem that any employee at Grangemouth that is made redundant due the refinery closing is getting 18 months, this at the moment is only for Petroineos workers
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 24 Feb 13:56
So doesn`t everyone employed at Grangemouth work for Petroineos? Gun Mechanic Par, who seems to work there, appeared to say yesterday that everyone qualified for redundancy money but the additional investment would be too late to help them.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 24 Feb 14:05
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 24 Feb 13:56
So doesn`t everyone employed at Grangemouth work for Petroineos? Gun Mechanic Par, who seems to work there, appeared to say yesterday that everyone qualified for redundancy money but the additional investment would be too late to help them.
No, there is Ineos Chemicals and Ineos FPS as well, parts of which are employed as shared services who are impacted by the closure
Post Edited (Mon 24 Feb 14:07)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 24 Feb 14:33
It`s not as straightforward as I thought then. I`ve just spotted this in the BBC report on the additional investment -
`Redundancy letters were sent out to staff at the refinery earlier this month, with just 65 of 500 jobs expected to be retained.
Approximately 2,000 people are directly employed at the site - 500 at the refinery, 450 on the Forties pipeline from the North Sea and a further 1,000 in the Ineos petrochemicals business.`
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Topic Originator: Gun Mechanic Par
Date: Mon 24 Feb 16:37
Only the staff that work for Petroineos are getting their redundancy, as it Petroineos that run and own the refinery.
Ineos run some other parts of the site and may be affected but that`s up to their parent company to deal with.
Multiple contractors work at the site, most will be moved to other locations, and I know some are asking their companies for voluntary redundancy.
INEOS own and run the chemical side
Petroineos run the refinery - all are getting 18 months redundancy
Post Edited (Mon 24 Feb 16:38)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 24 Feb 16:44
I take it there will be far less for those who lose their jobs/business as a result of this though? What`s in place for the local taxi drivers, cafes, snack vans, delivery guys, cleaners, security guards etc etc.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 25 Feb 08:50
Wonder if the money will ever appear or will it end up in the same account as the Dunfermline City money?
Strange it was announced to coincide with Starmers speech at the "Scottish " Labour conference, but still couldn`t fill the hall!
At least Murray got his season ticket for Old Trafford, or was that the consolation prize?🤭
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 11 Mar 10:23
Nice to hear tax dodger Ratcliffe`s plans for Old Trafford, wonder if he`ll employ Grangemouth workers as labourers?🤔🤬🤬🤬
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 11 Mar 15:47
£1bn to a rich tax dodger while Dunfermline loses a promised £5m that would have gone into improve facilities for the people of the town.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 12 Mar 08:18
And our Red Tory MP has just voted to reduce benefits for disabled people.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 15 Apr 18:43
Nice to see English Steel being saved from those nasty Chinese, pity Grangemouth didn`t survive, being a private company!🤔😲🤬
Post Edited (Tue 15 Apr 18:43)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 15 Apr 20:46
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Tue 15 Apr 18:43
Nice to see English Steel being saved from those nasty Chinese, pity Grangemouth didn`t survive, being a private company!🤔😲🤬
Grangemouth owned by the richest man in Britain (sorry Monaco to avoid taxes) so not a chance the UK government would step in to save it.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 15 Apr 23:29
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 15 Apr 20:46
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Tue 15 Apr 18:43
Nice to see English Steel being saved from those nasty Chinese, pity Grangemouth didn`t survive, being a private company!🤔😲🤬
Grangemouth owned by the richest man in Britain (sorry Monaco to avoid taxes) so not a chance the UK government would step in to save it.
Part owned, and last I checked his company is billions in debt.
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