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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 31 Jul 12:31
I can`t emphasise enough how frustrating it has been to read some of the drivel that has appeared on here concerning Ukraine, Russia, Israel and China.
Okay, I live on the other side of the world, but I have tried to alert you to the grim reality that your government and media have been blatantly lying to you.
Time and again, I have provided links to independent sources, most of which are highly reliable. Yes, Russia was kicking the hell out of Ukraine. Yes, Zelenskyy is a crook. And yes, Iran blew Tel Aviv to bits. not just that, but with incredible accuracy, it has taken out many strategic and military targets.
But, hey ho! Over and over again, we hear pro-Zionists saying how strong and invincible Israel is, how little damage Iran achieved in its attacks in June, or space cadets claiming the military ability of NATO will completely overwhelm Russia, because they had friends or teachers who told them so. One guy claims he is a geopolitical expert. Another claims that they have intimate knowledge of air force bases overseas, and that there is no possibility that Britain is helping Israel tee up its targets.
I say, BULLSHIT!
Frankly, I want the Jewish state of Israel to cease to exist. My father was there at the beginning of it all, almost 80 years ago. He favoured the Jews. He had seen Bergen-Belsen. But he came to hate them for their horrific behaviour towards British soldiers. Nothing in their behaviour has changed over many decades.
We have to accept this truth, because today, almost 80 % of Jews in Israel support the destruction of Gaza and the elimination of the people who are there. What is this, if not a holocaust?
And any pr*k who asks me to provide a source can get lost! It`s widely available and comes from the United States. In fact, from a university!
Finally, one more link. Here it. Is:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ddeAEKK30
No matter what you have seen before, this provides almost all the answers… please watch this.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 31 Jul 12:58
Quote:
OzPar, Thu 31 Jul 12:31
Another claims that they have intimate knowledge of air force bases overseas, and that there is no possibility that Britain is helping Israel tee up its targets.
I was based at Akrotiri for 5 years. Of course I have intimate knowledge of it. I have some knowledge of Episkopi and Dhekalia having been to both multiple times. I have minimal knowledge of Mount Pleasant Airfield and Ascension.That`s it.
At no point did I claim that there is no possibility Britain is helping Israel tee up targets. They are, the RC-135W`s are being used to locate where hostages may be held. Possibly even Hamas targets, ensuring terrorists are targeted, not civilians. Surely you want to minimise civilian casualties by having accurate intelligence?
I said Britain has no spy planes based at Akrotiri, they don`t.
There are some on detachment to Akrotiri from Waddington.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 31 Jul 13:08
If what you state is true Oz what about the 20% of people in Israel who don’t support the war in Gaza? Are they to cease to exist? Do their views not matter or are they to be ignored?
There are no winners in this sad situation, and innocent people on both sides are caught up in it all.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 31 Jul 13:22
Oh, please give it a rest, Buffy. How can you be so clueless? I’m saying the state of Israel should not exist.
Don’t come at me with the “innocent people” argument. I’m not interested.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 31 Jul 13:26
Quote:
OzPar, Thu 31 Jul 13:22
Oh, please give it a rest, Buffy. How can you be so clueless? I’m saying the state of Israel should not exist.
Don’t come at me with the “innocent people” argument. I’m not interested.
So what do you envisage happening to the 7m+ Israelis?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 31 Jul 13:41
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 31 Jul 13:26
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OzPar, Thu 31 Jul 13:22
Oh, please give it a rest, Buffy. How can you be so clueless? I’m saying the state of Israel should not exist.
Don’t come at me with the “innocent people” argument. I’m not interested.
So what do you envisage happening to the 7m+ Israelis?
Maybe they could relocate them to America, a country which seems to be very supportive of them. When they arrive there they can be housed in some Immigration Detainment Centers (like `Alligator Alcatraz`) for processing. This is something that the Israeli Government are quite happy to happen in Gaza, so they will have no problems with it.
Then Israeli could be resettled by peaceful people, and the middle east could go back to being a relatively safe part of the world
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 31 Jul 13:42
sadindiefreak said: At no point did I claim that there is no possibility Britain is helping Israel tee up targets. They are the RC-135Ws that are being used to locate where hostages may be held. Possibly even Hamas targets, ensuring terrorists are targeted, not civilians. Surely you want to minimise civilian casualties by having accurate intelligence? I said Britain has no spy planes based at Akrotiri, they don`t.
There are some on detachment to Akrotiri from Waddington....
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First, you say the RC-135Ws are being used to locate hostages and possibly Hamas targets, to minimise civilian casualties. While that’s the official line, the reality is that intelligence sharing in conflict zones is rarely that clear-cut.
There’s a long history of “precision” targeting resulting in civilian deaths, either due to faulty intelligence, misidentification, or the fog of war. Simply having advanced surveillance doesn’t guarantee that only terrorists are targeted—especially in densely populated areas like Gaza.
Second, you insist that Britain has no spy planes based at Akrotiri, only those from a detachment at Waddington. But this is a distinction without much practical difference. Whether the aircraft are “permanently based” or “on detachment,” they’re still operating out of Akrotiri and supporting Israeli operations. The technicality of their home base doesn’t change the fact that Britain is actively involved.
Finally, your argument seems to assume that the presence of British surveillance is inherently a force for good, as if it automatically leads to fewer civilian casualties. However, history shows that foreign military involvement often escalates conflicts and can complicate accountability even further.
In summary, the details about where the planes are “based” are less important than the fact that Britain is providing real-time intelligence to Israel, with all the moral and practical complications that entail.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 31 Jul 13:45
red-star-par,
I am liking you more every day...
:)
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 31 Jul 14:17
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 31 Jul 13:41
the middle east could go back to being a relatively safe part of the world
Comedy gold. 🤣😂🤣
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 31 Jul 17:16
What an upstart you are, Oz.
I won’t be engaging with you any further either on this or any other forums.
You clearly like the turn of your own words and to hell with everyone else’s.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 31 Jul 18:41
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buffy, Thu 31 Jul 17:16
What an upstart you are, Oz.
I won’t be engaging with you any further either on this or any other forums.
You clearly like the turn of your own words and to hell with everyone else’s.
He doesn`t give a XXXX for anything else!
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 31 Jul 19:05
That`s why this forum is the best, some good characters, with differing opinions.
For what it`s worth, I`d say it`s clear the UK is providing military assistance to help Israel carry out genocide in Gaza. The UK Government knew this but they are starting to publicly act like they are a teeny bit outraged now it`s clear that the general public, and people around the world, have had enough of it. The tide has turned on Israel.
I wouldn`t take the word of anyone that`s been employed in the UK Armed Forces in the last couple of decades for anything. They might like to think they are in some kind of galant global peacekeeping force but in my opinion if you sign up for a life in the forces you know what you are getting into. They might not have physically murdered those defenceless babies in Gaza in person but the blood is on their hands.
Must be hard to sleep at night when they fully consider what they are part of
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 31 Jul 19:56
I wouldn`t take the word of anyone in the armed forces either as they`re not allowed to say a lot. However, I would trust when they correct someone. I`d also trust that they`ve potentially put their life on the line or at very least spent a lot of time away from friends and family trying to help this country.
The single biggest issue on this thread is people suggesting they know better. I`m sure people can do more research but the only detail out there is what is allowed to be published. As with all things, the truth comes out much, much later.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 31 Jul 20:27
What’s going on in Israel is a massacre and shame on them given what their ancestors went through in WW2
The media in the west are complicit in covering up war crimes.
All we hear is October 4th as if all the people in Gaza were in on it.
Israel IDF have flattened Gaza since then and kids are literally starving to death and journalists not allowed in.
They are doing what the Germans did to their ancestors and leaves a very bad taste in the mouth .
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 31 Jul 21:30
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 31 Jul 20:27
What’s going on in Israel is a massacre and shame on them given what their ancestors went through in WW2
The media in the west are complicit in covering up war crimes.
All we hear is October 4th as if all the people in Gaza were in on it.
Israel IDF have flattened Gaza since then and kids are literally starving to death and journalists not allowed in.
They are doing what the Germans did to their ancestors and leaves a very bad taste in the mouth .
And yet the real truth about the horrors of what happened to Jews and Roma people didn`t come out properly until a few years AFTER Germany lost the war. Few knew just how horrific it was.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 1 Aug 19:13
The opening post reminds me of that scene in Better Call Saul with Chuck`s "I`m not crazy!" outburst.
And then the attack on Buffy...
Absolute madness.
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