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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 10 Nov 01:17
Tim Davie and the CEO both resign. The BBC broadcast ( Panorama ) a doctored Trump speech regarding the Jan 6th trouble on Capitol Hill. The broadcast speech had been doctored to give the impression Trump incited the riot. They took words by DT that were 50 mins apart and made it look like he had said things that he patently did not. Blatant lies and propaganda from the BBC. Same tactics used during the miners strike and the same tactics used in Scotland on an almost daily basis with their anti independence , anti SNP agenda.
The state broadcaster is an utter disgrace and has been for decades.
When someone once criticised the Russian media , Putin responded by saying at least it is free in Russia as opposed to the U.K. whereby you have to pay to have propaganda beamed into your house. Stopped paying the license fee years ago.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Mon 10 Nov 02:02
Davie had to go.
This was not a "mistake", they thought Harris would win and this would be rewarded by an increase in their usaid funds.
They spunked £3 million up the wall on BBC Verify led by a liar and fantasist Marianna Spring should be closed down and the whole organisation put into special measures.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 10 Nov 08:01
It`s a shame that the BBC editing the way in which the speech was show after the fact has been used to deflect from Trump`s actions.
And the Tories are only piling in because they have all been caught out for lying and misleading the British public.
Hopefully they can get the right leadership and organisational change to get it back to what it should be doing much more consistently.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 10 Nov 09:21
I heard on the radio that a woman from Dunfermline had emailed saying Trump said lots of bad stuff instigating the riots. I`m sure she`s completely correct, and I am no fan of Trump. However, the BBC has "impartial" in its mission statement. They shouldn`t be splicing things to make it appear like someone`s saying something they haven`t.
I`ve said on here before that there`s a serious issue with the media and general population picking out little snippets of a speech to promote hate. This applies on both the left and right. We saw it to extremes during the independence campaign and through Brexit. As much as we like to think we`re independent thinkers, we`re influenced by a handful of people in the press.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 10 Nov 17:19
Trump threatening legal action with a claim of at least $1Bn by the end of the week if BBC don`t retract the claims and apologise.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 10 Nov 17:46
Maybe we should offer him another State visit to appease him.
You have to laugh at Trump accusing anyone of propagating `fake news`. The editing was obviously a bad mistake but a congressional inquiry in the States concluded that Trump was responsible for the attack on the Capitol so I`m not sure how the BBC coverage defamed him. He`s just another rich guy using his wealth to cow anyone who disagrees with him.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Mon 10 Nov 17:46
He’s a bag of wind and nothing else.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 10 Nov 23:45
The editing wasn’t a mistake Eck, it was a deliberate planned action to make Trump appear to be saying things that he patently did not say.
Bag of wind or not, what the BBC did is utterly disgraceful.
They did the same after the battle of Orgreave, same lies after Hillsborough, and have repeatedly broadcast lies about the Israeli slaughter/ genocide in Gaza.
They are a disgraceful organisation and should be shut down.
Anyone who pays the license fee is contributing to their lies, distortion and blatant propaganda.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 10 Nov 23:56
I didn`t see the programme in which it was broadcast but it was well-balanced apparently and gave a voice to many Trump supporters.
What about these subscription channels? Do they always tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 11 Nov 09:07
The fact we still have a TV licence is laughable. It`s pretty rare that I watch the BBC yet I pay £15 a month for it.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 11 Nov 09:42
I think the content is generally quite good personally.
I would much rather have an impartial public broadcaster than media outlets run by the super wealthy.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 11 Nov 10:16
Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 11 Nov 09:42
I think the content is generally quite good personally.
I would much rather have an impartial public broadcaster than media outlets run by the super wealthy.
We don’t have an impartial broadcaster though….
BBC will try and portray that image but they are getting caught out.
They destroyed Jeremy Corbyn with smears and lies and they are undoubtedly bias in any reporting regarding Scotland and Independence.
When was the last time there was ever a good news story about Scotland ? Negative, negative, spin , spin, continually.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 11 Nov 10:20
Ye could always change the channel if ye dinnae like the news….
I’m enjoying Kingdom, the new David Attenborough series, and have just binge-watched Riot Women on iplayer. Great stuff. Give me the bbc channels over any other.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 11 Nov 10:25
I take your point, but.....
I think there`s a distinction to be made between BBC News and the BBC more widely.
The other news outlets are all biased one way or the other generally.
As with all things in life currently it appears that folk find it difficult to appreciate the grey areas and expect everything to be black or white.
Change and improvement is definitely required but I don`t think it is as bad as some are making out personally.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 11 Nov 10:27
I probably watch the iplayer more than the main channels. There`s always something interesting there. Financial cut-backs have obviously taken their toll and BBC4 is virtually an archive channel now, or a nostalgia channel for old codgers like me.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 11 Nov 11:20
There`s a good article by Polly Toynbee in today`s Guardian defending the BBC and warning of the threat to its very existence from the right.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 11 Nov 11:55
I cannot fathom people actually pay for state tv, mind boggling.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 11 Nov 12:11
Would you prefer if all media outlets were controlled by rich, powerful individuals who want to control the news available to the public? Surely that`s a bigger threat to democracy than the BBC?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 11 Nov 12:12
BBC quality has gone downhill at the same time we`re seeing higher quality output from streaming services which are providing programming at the same or lower cost than the BBC licence fee.
BBC news isn`t any better than other channels. Most of the "news" I see nowadays comes from YouTube. There`s so much quality content being produced in YouTube nowadays. The likes of the BBC and ITV have lost their way. There used to be some great low-budget programmes for things like computer games. These seem to be long gone.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 11 Nov 12:29
They are called streaming giants for a reason....being able to spread you content across potentially billions of users rather than tens of millions, and having adverts on the platform significantly changes the commercial model.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 11 Nov 13:19
Quote:
ipswichpar, Tue 11 Nov 12:29
They are called streaming giants for a reason....being able to spread you content across potentially billions of users rather than tens of millions, and having adverts on the platform significantly changes the commercial model.
The BBC sells their content to the US and other countries too. The recent BBC drama "The Ridge" was co-produced with Sky and sold over in NZ as well as in the UK.
The main difference is the likes of Netflix just buy or produce TV. The BBC is paying for all these regional radio stations and news programmes, as well as the likes of the world service. There must be incredible waste in radio in particular.
My biggest bug bear with the BBC and STV is so much of it is based around Glasgow.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 11 Nov 13:45
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 11 Nov 12:11
Would you prefer if all media outlets were controlled by rich, powerful individuals who want to control the news available to the public? Surely that`s a bigger threat to democracy than the BBC?
I just accept that they are and ignore accordingly, are you seriously trying to sell me the idea of the BBC is inpartial and honest?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 11 Nov 14:13
I`m not trying to sell you anything but by your logic we`ll end up with media we just have to ignore which seems pointless.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 11 Nov 14:40
Quote:
[Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 11 Nov 10:20
Ye could always change the channel if ye dinnae like the news….
The issue is not that a news channel is biassed or an inability to change the channel, the issue is with this particular channel we are paying for it under the understanding that is presents the news in an unbiased manor.
Take yourself....typical dot net TDS sufferer, an acute case.
Now where have you got most of your information about Trump?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 11 Nov 14:46
`Now where have you got most of your information about Trump?`
Out of his own mouth. Is that fake news too?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 11 Nov 14:52
Quote:
Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 11 Nov 14:46
Out of his own mouth. Is that fake news too?
If it`s on the BBC, quite possibly, that is what this entire thread is about.
Take a seat Eck, now this may make your sphincter tighter than a Jewish Scotsman`s sporran.....but Donald Trump is the victim in all this.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 11 Nov 15:03
As opposed to your DT love in, BP?
I’m not acute, just cute 🥰
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 11 Nov 15:44
Quote:
Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 11 Nov 15:03
As opposed to your DT love in, BP?
I’m not acute, just cute 🥰
Yes Dear Buffy, my overt support of Trump is directly opposed to your ubiquitous TDS.
On your cuteness, unlike the BBC I do not jump to ill informed conclusions so when I have the evidence I`ll let you know.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 11 Nov 15:45
Quote:
jake89, Tue 11 Nov 13:19
Quote:
ipswichpar, Tue 11 Nov 12:29
They are called streaming giants for a reason....being able to spread you content across potentially billions of users rather than tens of millions, and having adverts on the platform significantly changes the commercial model.
The BBC sells their content to the US and other countries too. The recent BBC drama "The Ridge" was co-produced with Sky and sold over in NZ as well as in the UK.
The main difference is the likes of Netflix just buy or produce TV. The BBC is paying for all these regional radio stations and news programmes, as well as the likes of the world service. There must be incredible waste in radio in particular.
My biggest bug bear with the BBC and STV is so much of it is based around Glasgow.
And there you go jake... on this thread we have (similar but not direct quotes) "nothing positive to say about scotland", "too much focus on Glasgow", "BBC is a waste of money". "Radio is too expensive".
One of the positives from my perspective is that you know what you`re paying for. What are you paying for through other models? (Paying for adverts through higher product prices) Paying for other subscriptions?!?
What I`m pretty sure is that whatever model is chosen folk will complain.
I`m also quite confident that if the BBC wasn`t here people would quite quickly complain about the fact it was no longer here.
I still think the main difference is the volumes that they can sell.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 11 Nov 16:10
I`ve just had my email through thanking me for renewing my licence so right now I very much wish I didn`t need it. Could happily live without the BBC in our house but pay it on the off chance we might want to watch something on iPlayer and to stop the nonsense of having TV licensing at the door (always with a burley fella behind them to threaten you).
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 11 Nov 16:53
Bin the license fee and pay for the programming through adverts - the current system is out dated and a waste on tax payer money.
The BBC as a programme making entity is absolutely fine and some shows are really worth the watch.
The BBC News though is another kettle of fish, dealing in purely factual based programming/information. From a “state” broadcaster, impartiality should be a 100% staple of the channel. We have seen time and time again though how they have twisted narratives to suit the agenda of the people in charge (and by that I mean the sitting parliament).
Their coverage of the Indy Ref was just downright outrageous, along with their coverage of football shows until recently “allowing” BBC Scotland to cover our games - before it would be a 5 minute analysis then 10 minutes on England…..
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 11 Nov 18:53
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 11 Nov 16:10
I`ve just had my email through thanking me for renewing my licence so right now I very much wish I didn`t need it. Could happily live without the BBC in our house but pay it on the off chance we might want to watch something on iPlayer and to stop the nonsense of having TV licensing at the door (always with a burley fella behind them to threaten you).
Jake. Cancel it. You will get a refund for any payments due over the year from the date it was cancelled.
In this day and age with the technology we have it should not be too difficult I would think to block something you have not paid for…? Surely.
If my son was to “ Channel flick “ and scroll through those channels that are covered by the license fee and watch something even for a few minutes then technically we are breaking the law. Just block it. I can’t access Netflix or Amazon Prime if I have not paid for it.
I look forward to the day a TV license gimp comes to my door. No dialogue, just tell him to leave and slam the door in his face…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 11 Nov 20:46
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 11 Nov 14:13
I`m not trying to sell you anything but by your logic we`ll end up with media we just have to ignore which seems pointless.
Please, explain "by your logic we`ll end up with....".
There is already a media you`d be best ignoring, tv is for mugs.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 11 Nov 21:09
Your posts seldom make any sense to me, to be honest. Best just leave it.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 11 Nov 21:53
Say what you want about the streamers the BBC is the only one whose subscription (license) model is one based on coercion. Not everyone falls into the ‘just cancel it’ brigade, most people just pay it to avoid the hassle of the small risk of someone coming to your door even if they never or very rarely watch BBC.
If there was not the threat or if the BBC blocked users on cancellation (making it morally easy to leave) license numbers would fall through the floor.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Tue 11 Nov 22:50
The BBC channels benefit from being the default 101, 102 channels on your telly.
I’m not sure anyone would watch ‘Bargain Hunt’ if it were on Netflix. And I doubt many people search for old episodes of ‘Homes Under the Hammer ‘ on YouTube.
But these shows get decent ratings because they’re on BBC One and finding the remote control takes effort.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 12 Nov 06:08
Agreed
Was there not a thing with Sky, I’m going back a long time, when they were going to put their sky one channel on 101, and have bbc channels in the 110’s - and the government actually pressured them not to and leave bbc1 and bbc2 as the first two channels
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 12 Nov 06:48
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 11 Nov 21:09
Your posts seldom make any sense to me, to be honest. Best just leave it.
Always with the smart ar*e responses eh, are you lonely, bitter?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 12 Nov 08:00
As I said, best just leave it.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 12 Nov 09:28
Quote:
desparado, Tue 11 Nov 18:53
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 11 Nov 16:10
I`ve just had my email through thanking me for renewing my licence so right now I very much wish I didn`t need it. Could happily live without the BBC in our house but pay it on the off chance we might want to watch something on iPlayer and to stop the nonsense of having TV licensing at the door (always with a burley fella behind them to threaten you).
Jake. Cancel it. You will get a refund for any payments due over the year from the date it was cancelled.
In this day and age with the technology we have it should not be too difficult I would think to block something you have not paid for…? Surely.
If my son was to “ Channel flick “ and scroll through those channels that are covered by the license fee and watch something even for a few minutes then technically we are breaking the law. Just block it. I can’t access Netflix or Amazon Prime if I have not paid for it.
I look forward to the day a TV license gimp comes to my door. No dialogue, just tell him to leave and slam the door in his face…
I`m direct debit so I can cancel at a month`s notice. However, as others have said, it`s just to avoid hassle. If it was Netflix or Paramount or whoever, those channels would just disappear when my contract ends. Not with the BBC though. No doubt the licensing guy would appear just as my wife wanted to watch Strictly or the kids were watching...actually, I`ve no idea what they might watch on the BBC!
I find the demise of "normal" TV quite sad in a way. I remember sitting at my grans house watching utter guff like Generation Game. I didn`t really understand it but it was a family activity. Same with the films they`d put on at Christmas. It felt special watching them together. Now my kids can just watch pretty much any film they want whenever they want without even getting out of bed!
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 12 Nov 12:04
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 12 Nov 08:00
As I said, best just leave it.
Why? You the boss?
Get oot min.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 12 Nov 13:08
Another one I can`t make sense of.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 12 Nov 14:55
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 12 Nov 13:08
Another one I can`t make sense of.
Eck, you are truly pathetic.
You just can`t help yoursekf, i actually feel sad for you.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 12 Nov 15:07
No need to feel sad for me.I`m perfectly content, thank you. If I wasn`t though, I wonder how your recent posts might have affected me?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 12 Nov 18:07
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 12 Nov 15:07
No need to feel sad for me.I`m perfectly content, thank you. If I wasn`t though, I wonder how your recent posts might have affected me?
Ah there we go, the well trodden victim card.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 12 Nov 18:21
Some folk are victims unfortunately.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 12 Nov 20:33
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Tue 11 Nov 14:40
Quote:
[Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 11 Nov 10:20
Ye could always change the channel if ye dinnae like the news….
The issue is not that a news channel is biassed or an inability to change the channel, the issue is with this particular channel we are paying for it under the understanding that is presents the news in an unbiased manor.
Take yourself....typical dot net TDS sufferer, an acute case.
Now where have you got most of your information about Trump?
Now there`s another batch of Epstein files released, where do you stand on them, Bletchley Par? Should they be released in full, or are you right behind President Trump who is today calling it "The Epstein Hoax"?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 12 Nov 21:24
Quote:
Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 12 Nov 20:33
Now there`s another batch of Epstein files released, where do you stand on them, Bletchley Par? Should they be released in full, or are you right behind President Trump who is today calling it "The Epstein Hoax"?
Let justice be done though the heavens fall.
The latest release trying to portray Trump as an abuser is a hoax.
The redacted name is Virginia Giuffre, who has already testified under oath that "(Donald Trump) didn`t participate in anything."
Epstein was trying to get Kompromat on Trump, he instructed Giuffre to spend time with her, hours in fact....."but the dog didn`t bark".
I think they tried to ensnare Trump and failed, if there was anything they would have already used it by now.
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