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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Mon 16 Feb 21:09
Thoughts??
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Mon 16 Feb 21:43
I like him. As far as the elections this year go I think in Scotland if you want an alternative to the current gang in Edinburgh then Reform are the choice. But Mr Lowe and his party are ones to watch for the GE.
Post Edited (Mon 16 Feb 21:44)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 16 Feb 22:27
Quote:
87Par, Mon 16 Feb 21:43
I like him. As far as the elections this year go I think in Scotland if you want an alternative to the current gang in Edinburgh then Reform are the choice. But Mr Lowe and his party are ones to watch for the GE.
Jesus wept!
Reform are certainly an alternative but not a good one!
How is Lowe any different to the current numpties in Westminster? Didn`t he claim an MND charity boat race was immigrants invading? The guy who wants to reclaim "Christian values" in a country where churches are closing faster than the pubs?
Private school boy - check
Banker - check
Millionaire - check
The idiot wants to get rid of the Scottish Government too so that would mean pretty much the entire civil service being run from London again and Scotland being dragged down by policies intended for England (London).
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Mon 16 Feb 22:32
90% of Tory MPs were said to be to the left of the average Labour voter, Farage in truth seems little more than a Milquetoast centrist compared to the average Reform voter.
If we see a Lib-Lab-Green pact at the election, Farage will have no choice but to engage with other right of centre parties in response.
I think Lowe`s party already polling at 10% is probably pretty acurate.
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Mon 16 Feb 22:45
Quote:
jake89, Mon 16 Feb 22:27
Quote:
87Par, Mon 16 Feb 21:43
I like him. As far as the elections this year go I think in Scotland if you want an alternative to the current gang in Edinburgh then Reform are the choice. But Mr Lowe and his party are ones to watch for the GE.
Jesus wept!
Reform are certainly an alternative but not a good one!
How is Lowe any different to the current numpties in Westminster? Didn`t he claim an MND charity boat race was immigrants invading? The guy who wants to reclaim "Christian values" in a country where churches are closing faster than the pubs?
Private school boy - check
Banker - check
Millionaire - check
The idiot wants to get rid of the Scottish Government too so that would mean pretty much the entire civil service being run from London again and Scotland being dragged down by policies intended for England (London).
I happen to think Scotland was a better place to be before devolution so I agree with Rupert on that. I won`t bother listing the scandal coming out that gang hut in Holyrood. It`s for all to see, for those who want to see it.
However I do believe in this saying. "If you keep doing what you`ve always done, you`ll keep getting what you`ve always gotten"
Scotland has regressed. Big time. We need change.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 07:39
Hang on ..you don`t believe in the status quo so want to go back to how things were in the past? 🤔
Going back to a UK model would be awful and would only push more people towards independence.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 17 Feb 09:38
Quote:
jake89, Tue 17 Feb 07:39
Hang on ..you don`t believe in the status quo so want to go back to how things were in the past? 🤔
Going back to a UK model would be awful and would only push more people towards independence.
But how do we achieve Independence?
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Tue 17 Feb 09:41
Quote:
jake89, Tue 17 Feb 07:39
Hang on ..you don`t believe in the status quo so want to go back to how things were in the past? 🤔
Going back to a UK model would be awful and would only push more people towards independence.
So we shall stick with this useless mob for time immemorial aye? I think its quite clear and has been for some time Scotland prefers to be in the Union. If the pro Indy agenda come about again then that`s something to look at..at that point. This country needs a major change of direction right now. The status quo ain`t it.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 17 Feb 09:43
Why do you see “them” as a useless mob?
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 17 Feb 10:30
`So we shall stick with this useless mob for time immemorial aye? I think its quite clear and has been for some time Scotland prefers to be in the Union.`
Isn`t there a contradiction there if an electorate that prefers to be in the Union `sticks with` a government that favours independence and has no desire to abandon devolution? Also, the UK government favours devolution being granted to the regions south of the border so it would be perverse to deny it to Scotland, Wales and N Ireland.
I imagine a lot of voters throughout the UK would describe recent Westminster governments as `useless mobs` so where does that leave us?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 10:36
Quote:
Tenruh, Tue 17 Feb 09:38
Quote:
jake89, Tue 17 Feb 07:39
Hang on ..you don`t believe in the status quo so want to go back to how things were in the past? 🤔
Going back to a UK model would be awful and would only push more people towards independence.
But how do we achieve Independence?
We can`t with a revolution. Westminster says no.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 10:39
Quote:
87Par, Tue 17 Feb 09:41
Quote:
jake89, Tue 17 Feb 07:39
Hang on ..you don`t believe in the status quo so want to go back to how things were in the past? 🤔
Going back to a UK model would be awful and would only push more people towards independence.
So we shall stick with this useless mob for time immemorial aye? I think its quite clear and has been for some time Scotland prefers to be in the Union. If the pro Indy agenda come about again then that`s something to look at..at that point. This country needs a major change of direction right now. The status quo ain`t it.
So you want Scotland to be more like England? So higher unemployment, longer a&e wait times, students in perpetual debt, poorer dentistry, extensive local authority service cuts...
As we`ve seen at a UK national level, the country is going down the swanny regardless of who is in charge. At least in Scotland we have Holyrood to offer some protection from Westminster stupidity. Unfortunately, we are still impacted by p*** poor policy from London.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 17 Feb 10:57
Quote:
jake89, Tue 17 Feb 10:39
Quote:
87Par, Tue 17 Feb 09:41
Quote:
jake89, Tue 17 Feb 07:39
Hang on ..you don`t believe in the status quo so want to go back to how things were in the past? 🤔
Going back to a UK model would be awful and would only push more people towards independence.
So we shall stick with this useless mob for time immemorial aye? I think its quite clear and has been for some time Scotland prefers to be in the Union. If the pro Indy agenda come about again then that`s something to look at..at that point. This country needs a major change of direction right now. The status quo ain`t it.
So you want Scotland to be more like England? So higher unemployment, longer a&e wait times, students in perpetual debt, poorer dentistry, extensive local authority service cuts...
As we`ve seen at a UK national level, the country is going down the swanny regardless of who is in charge. At least in Scotland we have Holyrood to offer some protection from Westminster stupidity. Unfortunately, we are still impacted by p*** poor policy from London.
If the Reform mob get elected to Westminster in 2029 Holyrood will be closed by 2031
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 17 Feb 11:15
Imagine wanting to ditch the SNP for parties like Labour, Tory and Reform…….then try to justify it with scandals……😂😂
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 17 Feb 11:21
Quote:
87Par, Mon 16 Feb 21:43
I like him. As far as the elections this year go I think in Scotland if you want an alternative to the current gang in Edinburgh then Reform are the choice. But Mr Lowe and his party are ones to watch for the GE.
I only ever really hear about Reform in relation to immigration and, being the son of an immigrant, a lot of that doesn`t sit well with me. What other policies do they have that might get me to swing their way? Just being an alternative isn`t enough.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 17 Feb 11:46
Quote:
parsfan, Tue 17 Feb 11:21
Quote:
87Par, Mon 16 Feb 21:43
I like him. As far as the elections this year go I think in Scotland if you want an alternative to the current gang in Edinburgh then Reform are the choice. But Mr Lowe and his party are ones to watch for the GE.
I only ever really hear about Reform in relation to immigration and, being the son of an immigrant, a lot of that doesn`t sit well with me. What other policies do they have that might get me to swing their way? Just being an alternative isn`t enough.
They want to lower the minimum wage to encourage more youngster in to work.
Also they will increase tax free limit on wages to 20%.
Along with slowly privatising the NHS and removing Holyrood, but they keep those ones quiet.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 12:14
Quote:
parsfan, Tue 17 Feb 11:21
Quote:
87Par, Mon 16 Feb 21:43
I like him. As far as the elections this year go I think in Scotland if you want an alternative to the current gang in Edinburgh then Reform are the choice. But Mr Lowe and his party are ones to watch for the GE.
I only ever really hear about Reform in relation to immigration and, being the son of an immigrant, a lot of that doesn`t sit well with me. What other policies do they have that might get me to swing their way? Just being an alternative isn`t enough.
Boo yaaa get away you filthy immigrant. Coming over here, stealing all our jobs, women and benefits! Boo I say! BOO!
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 17 Feb 17:59
87par has to be trolling. Nobody can be that thick and ignorant surely ?
If He/She really wants change, significant change, then voting for parties that are controlled by the invisible and powerful elite is not going to change a single thing.
The only significant change Scotland can get is by becoming an independent country…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Tue 17 Feb 18:47
I think a lot of the problems is the use of the word immigrant. If people from other countries want to come over and work/pay their way and help the economy then that’s great and I hope they live many years in Britain.
It’s the Illegal immigrants that have come over and getting put up in hotels etc that is annoying British hard working people imo. It’s the billions that have been spent on them getting housed/healthcare and benefits and our own British people are struggling.
But to be honest I think the government has broken Britain and it can’t be fixed and there will be civil unrest on the streets in a years time between gangs/religions.
I like what Rupert Lowe/Farage has to say but the whole lot of them and that includes that wee rocket Starmer are all liars. Mind you the Tory lass is a good watch when she tears Starmer apart in the commons.
As for SNP I think it will take a full overhaul getting rid off the deadwood after what Nippy Nicky and her husband did.
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Tue 17 Feb 19:40
Plus the investigation into the Pakistani rape gangs against young white woman getting thrown out of parliament…just says it all with this government.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 19:51
Quote:
Hoolie, Tue 17 Feb 18:47
I think a lot of the problems is the use of the word immigrant. If people from other countries want to come over and work/pay their way and help the economy then that’s great and I hope they live many years in Britain.
It’s the Illegal immigrants that have come over and getting put up in hotels etc that is annoying British hard working people imo. It’s the billions that have been spent on them getting housed/healthcare and benefits and our own British people are struggling.
But to be honest I think the government has broken Britain and it can’t be fixed and there will be civil unrest on the streets in a years time between gangs/religions.
I like what Rupert Lowe/Farage has to say but the whole lot of them and that includes that wee rocket Starmer are all liars. Mind you the Tory lass is a good watch when she tears Starmer apart in the commons.
As for SNP I think it will take a full overhaul getting rid off the deadwood after what Nippy Nicky and her husband did.
One look at the Dunfermline Press Facebook will show that many people think otherwise. The recent opening of Good Burger is an example. People commenting that it`s run by rhyming slang for a racial slur. Same with comments about any vacant land being made in mosques. Legal or illegal, the racists are out there being *****.
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Tue 17 Feb 20:34
An opening of a burger shop is an example?? What are you trying to say?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 17 Feb 20:39
Quote:
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 19:51
One look at the Dunfermline Press Facebook will show that many people think otherwise. The recent opening of Good Burger is an example. People commenting that it`s run by rhyming slang for a racial slur. Same with comments about any vacant land being made in mosques. Legal or illegal, the racists are out there being *****
Read 4 stories on the Press FB page in search of these alleged comments and the only criticisms I can find is the location, opening times, obesity concerns and someone who would not eat there because it is halal?
Can you direct me to these posts jake?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 17 Feb 20:47
The usual racist tripe from Hoolie.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 17 Feb 20:49
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Tue 17 Feb 20:39
Quote:
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 19:51
One look at the Dunfermline Press Facebook will show that many people think otherwise. The recent opening of Good Burger is an example. People commenting that it`s run by rhyming slang for a racial slur. Same with comments about any vacant land being made in mosques. Legal or illegal, the racists are out there being *****
Read 4 stories on the Press FB page in search of these alleged comments and the only criticisms I can find is the location, opening times, obesity concerns and someone who would not eat there because it is halal?
Can you direct me to these posts jake?
Theres a chance that the DP have removed the comments to be fair.
Also, great that Rupert is going after grooming gangs. Will he also be sounding out the elites if the UK that are on the Epstein files for questioning? 🤔
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 21:10
Facebook post about Lloyds closing - includes comments about using it for refugees, mosques and "houses for boat people".
Facebook post about a man who passed away waiting for a care package - includes comments about boat people and immigrants.
Facebook post about Good burger - comments appear to have been edited but had at least two comments about it being run by "Hamilton accies".
What`s bizarre is these comments are often from people in England or other parts of Scotland.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 17 Feb 21:22
Quote:
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 21:10
Facebook post about Lloyds closing - includes comments about using it for refugees, mosques and "houses for boat people".
Facebook post about a man who passed away waiting for a care package - includes comments about boat people and immigrants.
So concerns about land use and council resources using words you disapprove of.
Yeah, just another of your "I read hurty words so everyone is the Austrian painter" posts jake?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 21:32
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Tue 17 Feb 21:22
Quote:
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 21:10
Facebook post about Lloyds closing - includes comments about using it for refugees, mosques and "houses for boat people".
Facebook post about a man who passed away waiting for a care package - includes comments about boat people and immigrants.
So concerns about land use and council resources using words you disapprove of.
Yeah, just another of your "I read hurty words so everyone is the Austrian painter" posts jake?
The point is about racism. If you don`t see racism in those examples then you must have the intelligence of a mouldy grape.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 17 Feb 21:53
You never seem to come with receipts jake, just hearsay and name calling.
The people who will be voting for this great "unite the right coalition" come general election time are immune to cries of racism, if anything that is probably why they are going to vote the way they are.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Tue 17 Feb 21:56
‘What’s bizarre is these comments are often from people in England’
People in England using ‘Hamilton Accies’ as rhyming slang??
That would be bizarre right enough.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 22:04
Just gave you examples, Bletchley, which is more than you ever give with your "trust me, bro" dribbling.
Tag, read again what I said 🙄
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 17 Feb 22:15
I tried to find your examples "one look at the Dunfermline Press FB page" you claimed and as I expected they don`t exist.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Tue 17 Feb 22:33
‘The guy who wants to reclaim "Christian values" in a country where churches are closing faster than the pubs?’
You literally quoted the bible in the same post, Jake. 😀
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 23:07
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Tue 17 Feb 22:15
I tried to find your examples "one look at the Dunfermline Press FB page" you claimed and as I expected they don`t exist.
They very much do exist and I gave three examples, which is three more than you`ve ever given on this forum.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Feb 23:09
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Tue 17 Feb 22:33
‘The guy who wants to reclaim "Christian values" in a country where churches are closing faster than the pubs?’
You literally quoted the bible in the same post, Jake. 😀
Cool story.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 18 Feb 15:18
Dunfermline Press Facebook post about an abuser being done. Worth a read of the comments before they get deleted. Comments about the perpetrators ethnicity, that it`s the "usual suspects" and about what religious book he might read. And an obligatory "I`d get in trouble if I said what I think" from someone with a Reform logo as their profile pic.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 18 Feb 17:05
Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Tue 17 Feb 18:47
I think a lot of the problems is the use of the word immigrant. If people from other countries want to come over and work/pay their way and help the economy then that’s great and I hope they live many years in Britain.
It’s the Illegal immigrants that have come over and getting put up in hotels etc that is annoying British hard working people imo. It’s the billions that have been spent on them getting housed/healthcare and benefits and our own British people are struggling.
But to be honest I think the government has broken Britain and it can’t be fixed and there will be civil unrest on the streets in a years time between gangs/religions.
I like what Rupert Lowe/Farage has to say but the whole lot of them and that includes that wee rocket Starmer are all liars. Mind you the Tory lass is a good watch when she tears Starmer apart in the commons.
As for SNP I think it will take a full overhaul getting rid off the deadwood after what Nippy Nicky and her husband did.
“ What Nippy Nicky and her husband …*did.
I am no legal eagle but my understanding is that NS was investigated and * No charges have been brought. So therefore she is completely innocent of any wrong doing in the eyes of the law.
With regards to her husband you have just assumed his guilt. That amounts to contempt as your comment is on a public forum. Maybe the comment should be removed ?
It’s a live case and Murrell the same as everyone else is innocent until proven guilty.
Whilst the charge of misappropriating funds ( SNP funds it has to be said ) is a serious one it pales into insignificance compared to the Tory Gov for example who gave millions of tax payers money to their mates during COVID with Mone and Hancock old pal being two of the most prominent examples.
In my opinion the second example is way more serious than the first but as we all know nothing will happen regarding the UK Govs fragrant abuse of power when handing out our cash to help their pals.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 18 Feb 17:16
One feature of this forum is that generally the Scottish government is held to much higher standards than the Westminster government.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 18 Feb 18:19
It not just a feature of this forum but true in general. Media scrutiny and blatant bias against Scot Gov compared say to the devolved administration in Wales.
If Plaid continue to garner support in Wales it will be a cert that the media will use the same tactics against them as they do up here. Negative, negative, negative and absolutely nothing positive ever..
Post Edited (Wed 18 Feb 18:20)
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Wed 18 Feb 19:18
Going back to the OP – if they are gaining favour in polls, this seems like another “none of the above” opinion, with the addition of “not them either”.
Does this lot have any policies other than “send them back”? Does it have any members other than Rupert Lowe? From where is their support coming? Disaffected Reform voters?
I note Farage has been having a go at Lowe. And he’s named a very light “cabinet”. He’s doubled down with the “we need experience” line which is interesting as a lot of his apparent appeal was being new and different rather than tired retreads.
Lowe meanwhile was an unpopular chairman of Southampton FC back in the day. He was unceremoniously booted out of Reform so he must have done something that Farage couldn’t tolerate. Whether it was his opinions on immigration, the allegations against him, or the fact that he challenged Farage’s authority I don’t know.
And what is the tax-free limit on wages?
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Wed 18 Feb 19:31
opic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 17 Feb 20:47
The usual racist tripe from Hoolie.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Really and how am I a racist from what I posted? I would be interested in your answer to this…awaiting your response or you will be reported to your admin pals!
Post Edited (Wed 18 Feb 19:32)
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Wed 18 Feb 20:56
Why not say if you are wanting to live in Britain and work for the better of your family and pay into the British economy then that’s great..as long as you go through the working visa route… if you come into Britain illegally you cannot claim any benefits and that’s it. No money/hotels or free NHS. Surely this will stop the influx of illegals coming over as they know there is nothing to be gained?
Then once that is done let’s look after our own British people who have problems like ones that can’t afford food but are still working(folk working and still having to go to food banks is an embarrassment to our government and should be ashamed of themselves)..help our homeless and veterans that served the country and have nothing but memories of war…We need to look after our own country first.
Bring back the 2 child benefit rule as that will stop folk on benefits having a 3rd or say a spouse must have full time job to claim for a 3rd child?
The benefit system is costing Billions a year with folk on the sick that are faking illness and working on the side..
But hey ho as Buffy the lefty said I’m a racist..maybe it’s I’m just trying to look out for my son/daughter who will be having to go through this in 5 years time…thank god I lived my younger years in the 90’s…that was a great time!
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 18 Feb 21:56
There`s a difference between illegal immigrants and folk taking advantage of the asylum process.
How much in benefits are illegal immigrants costing? And you can`t tell whether someone is a failed asylum seeker until that process has concluded.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 18 Feb 23:02
Illegal immigrants (not to be confused with asylum seekers) will come here regardless. They will always be entitled to claim support once here, as they can in pretty much any country. The issue I have with someone here illegally is that the process to review their case is ridiculous. We should have proper processing centres rather than lining the pockets of hotel chains.
Proper processing centres with plain accommodation and food should be deterrent enough.
Caps on children are stupid. We already have an aging population as a result of low birth rates because people can`t afford to raise children. Why would we want to discourage breeding? Who do pensioners think is paying their pensions, care and free bus passes? Yes, they may have worked their whole lives but they`re now living too long and there aren`t enough young workers to pay for them. This is even more true in Scotland thanks to a lot of young people leaving for jobs while pensioners come here to retire.
What would happen in Hoolies scenario of both parents lost their jobs after having 3 or 4 kids? Do the two extra get taken away until at least one is work again? 😂
There are no simple answers to these things, but going after illegal immigrants and benefits cheats will not solve issues in this country. They are the top of the iceberg. Tax fraud and avoidance is a bigger issue (and cost!) and if you`re obsessed with benefits, maybe ask why companies like Costa cap workers hours to ensure they can claim UC. Maybe also query how much landlords are making from housing benefit due to the lack of council housing.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 19 Feb 00:41
Quote:
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 18 Feb 23:02
We already have an aging population as a result of low birth rates because people can`t afford to raise children. Why would we want to discourage breeding? Who do pensioners think is paying their pensions, care and free bus passes? Yes, they may have worked their whole lives but they`re now living too long and there aren`t enough young workers to pay for them. This is even more true in Scotland thanks to a lot of young people leaving for jobs while pensioners come here to retire.
"How scarce were the elderly in the British past?"
"Today those aged 60 and over make up slightly more than 1 in 5 of the UK population. It is tempting to believe that in the distant past, because there were fewer older people, they enjoyed a greater cachet."
So 1 in 5 over 60 in 2020.
https://www.campop.geog.cam.ac.uk/blog/2024/10/10/how-scarce-were-the-elderly/
"An Ageing Population": 1978 by Vida Carver and Penny Liddiard, Open University Press.
"At the beginning of this century (the 20th century, so from 1901) approximately 7% (of the UK) is 60 or more, today the proportion is 20%"
So 20% over 60 in 1978.
https://archive.org/details/ageingpopulation0000unse_w1e6/page/n1/mode/2up
I think this "bro trust me" narrative of the "we have an ageing population" deserves some further scrutiny.
And that`s before we get to the discussion of age versus are we living healthier discussion or what is burdening the NHS now compared to 50 years ago.
Post Edited (Thu 19 Feb 01:06)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 19 Feb 01:39
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Thu 19 Feb 00:41
Quote:
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 18 Feb 23:02
We already have an aging population as a result of low birth rates because people can`t afford to raise children. Why would we want to discourage breeding? Who do pensioners think is paying their pensions, care and free bus passes? Yes, they may have worked their whole lives but they`re now living too long and there aren`t enough young workers to pay for them. This is even more true in Scotland thanks to a lot of young people leaving for jobs while pensioners come here to retire.
"How scarce were the elderly in the British past?"
"Today those aged 60 and over make up slightly more than 1 in 5 of the UK population. It is tempting to believe that in the distant past, because there were fewer older people, they enjoyed a greater cachet."
So 1 in 5 over 60 in 2020.
https://www.campop.geog.cam.ac.uk/blog/2024/10/10/how-scarce-were-the-elderly/
"An Ageing Population": 1978 by Vida Carver and Penny Liddiard, Open University Press.
"At the beginning of this century (the 20th century, so from 1901) approximately 7% (of the UK) is 60 or more, today the proportion is 20%"
So 20% over 60 in 1978.
https://archive.org/details/ageingpopulation0000unse_w1e6/page/n1/mode/2up
I think this "bro trust me" narrative of the "we have an ageing population" deserves some further scrutiny.
And that`s before we get to the discussion of age versus are we living healthier discussion or what is burdening the NHS now compared to 50 years ago.
From ChatGPT:
Average age in the UK in 2000 - 37.7 years
Average age in the UK in 2010 - 39.7 years
Average age in the UK in 2025 - 40.1 years
It may have slowed recently, but the age of the nation is increasing every year. Estimates say this year will increase to over 41 years.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 19 Feb 01:44
Yes I get the same results when I outsource research and critical thinking to an AI Large language model.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 19 Feb 07:51
Sadly, Bletchley, you`re only telling part of the story and selecting particular figures to suit your narrative. Fertility rate (number of babies being born) continues to drop with parents choosing to have their kids later and later. At the same time, people are living longer (unless you live in Glasgow or Dundee). Fewer kids + aging population = unsustainable tax model.
20 years ago it was more like 1 in 6 over 65, it`s now 1 in 5 as you state.
Every year the social care budget has to go up, and that`s with carers being paid the same as a supermarket worker (that`s nothing against supermarket workers but I know which one I`d rather do!). Strangely enough, that 1 in 5 figure comes up again as around 1 in 5 care workers are foreign born. Guess what happens when you start discouraging foreign workers from coming here? The slack is picked up by all those patriots whose jobs were "stolen", right? 🙄
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Thu 19 Feb 21:59
Well well Jake and I can relate to you on this. My wife is a carer and loves her job but the pressure is unbelievable with how many visits she has in a shift and it’s not proper caring now. Plus she has to deal with younger people with mental health problems etc….That is not her duties paid on £16 an hour tbh?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 19 Feb 22:12
Quote:
Hoolie, Thu 19 Feb 21:59
Well well Jake and I can relate to you on this. My wife is a carer and loves her job but the pressure is unbelievable with how many visits she has in a shift and it’s not proper caring now. Plus she has to deal with younger people with mental health problems etc….That is not her duties paid on £16 an hour tbh?
People like your wife don`t get enough credit. There`s always a willing to pay carers more (as they deserve!) but there`s not enough money in the sector to cover it and there`s only so long you can rely on the goodwill of carers.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 20 Feb 20:49
Quote:
jake89, Thu 19 Feb 22:12
Quote:
Hoolie, Thu 19 Feb 21:59
Well well Jake and I can relate to you on this. My wife is a carer and loves her job but the pressure is unbelievable with how many visits she has in a shift and it’s not proper caring now. Plus she has to deal with younger people with mental health problems etc….That is not her duties paid on £16 an hour tbh?
People like your wife don`t get enough credit. There`s always a willing to pay carers more (as they deserve!) but there`s not enough money in the sector to cover it and there`s only so long you can rely on the goodwill of carers.
No end of money warfare though.
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Fri 20 Feb 21:37
Old Rupert gaining another 70k followers joining the party…at £20 a shot…
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 20 Feb 23:42
Liking this Restore party splitting the vote of the far right. The fact that the bookies have now made Labour favourites to win the most seats at the next general election is pleasing.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sat 21 Feb 18:13
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desparado, Tue 17 Feb 17:59
87par has to be trolling. Nobody can be that thick and ignorant surely ?
If He/She really wants change, significant change, then voting for parties that are controlled by the invisible and powerful elite is not going to change a single thing.
The only significant change Scotland can get is by becoming an independent country…
Nah not trolling. Just got a different opinion from you. Is that ok?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 24 Feb 16:52
Everyone is entitled to express their opinion, including their opinion of you.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 5 Mar 07:39
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jake89, Tue 17 Feb 19:51
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Hoolie, Tue 17 Feb 18:47
I think a lot of the problems is the use of the word immigrant. If people from other countries want to come over and work/pay their way and help the economy then that’s great and I hope they live many years in Britain.
It’s the Illegal immigrants that have come over and getting put up in hotels etc that is annoying British hard working people imo. It’s the billions that have been spent on them getting housed/healthcare and benefits and our own British people are struggling.
But to be honest I think the government has broken Britain and it can’t be fixed and there will be civil unrest on the streets in a years time between gangs/religions.
I like what Rupert Lowe/Farage has to say but the whole lot of them and that includes that wee rocket Starmer are all liars. Mind you the Tory lass is a good watch when she tears Starmer apart in the commons.
As for SNP I think it will take a full overhaul getting rid off the deadwood after what Nippy Nicky and her husband did.
One look at the Dunfermline Press Facebook will show that many people think otherwise. The recent opening of Good Burger is an example. People commenting that it`s run by rhyming slang for a racial slur. Same with comments about any vacant land being made in mosques. Legal or illegal, the racists are out there being *****.
Jake, i`m curious, it`s undeniable that a number of rapes and murders have been committed by people entering thd country illegally and put up in hotels, as seen recently in Edinburgh.
Would you lecture the victims on inclusivity or allow them their fear, disdain etc?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 5 Mar 08:15
Can you provide data on that DW?
And why would I lecture victims? Blame the perpetrator, not their race or religion. The question I posed on the other thread is why the guy in Edinburgh wasn`t identified as dangerous? Why aren`t people entering this country being properly processed? The fact he was identified as "23" says it all.
It`s quite simple - you can`t tar everyone with the same brush. Not every Pakistani man is a rapist or paedophile. If we want to go down that route then every Scotsman is a knife wielding alcoholic wife beater.
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