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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 21 Mar 05:43
Reform launched their candidates for the Scottish elections on Thursday.
As usual Mr Soundbite made a tw@t of himself on stage - telling a heckler to “Go and get a hair cut. Probably don’t have a job either. Go get a job”…….whilst speaking to a room full of people at the conference rather than at a job…….
And then came the suspension of a candidate for financial misconduct…along with numerous other vetting issues with candidates….heres some below….
Lord Offord said it was "done in a former life before she was a member of Reform.
"We have to not take offence at every moment in time." "We are not stopping people from standing for Reform just because they might have said something fruity in the past". - when speaking about Senga Beresford for Dumfries.
The Courier reported that Stirling candidate Rachael Wright, from Auchterarder, spread rumours about asylum seekers moving into a former school in Perthshire.
It also said Fife North East Linda Holt called former First Minister Humza Yousaf a "grandstanding Islamist moron" and said "he`s not British".
Offord said: "We have brought in 80% of candidates who are not politicians, they are real people with real lives who said real things in a past life.
"This was said before she was a candidate and she wasn`t even a member of the party at this time.
"We have all made comments in the past but the problem with this modern world is everything is written down and remembered.
"We need to be more realistic about the fact real people say real things. Now she is a candidate she will be held to higher standards."
And this is all before looking at their manifesto…
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 21 Mar 11:50
Are they calling themselves reform Scotland?
I’m surprised given their pro British, pro union beliefs they would go down that road at all, let alone allow themselves to be accused of being nothing more than a Labour style branch office
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 21 Mar 17:31
Their candidates are hilariously bad. I don`t know where he`s from but one is definitely a Rangers fan. He was interviewed and said something classic like "Wuh jist wahnt hings hoo they used tae be. Like the good old days!"
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 21 Mar 20:22
Looks like our local candidate for Reform is that Otto Inglis that sends in utter moronic nonsense to the letters page of The Dunfermline Press every week. I`ve been reading his contributions for years, the guy obviously has a screw loose.
The folk that vote for Reform will be the hardest hit, when they are forced off the dole, made to pay for their doctor`s visits and prescriptions. Turkey`s voting for Christmas
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 21 Mar 23:12
Quote:
red-star-par, Sat 21 Mar 20:22
Looks like our local candidate for Reform is that Otto Inglis that sends in utter moronic nonsense to the letters page of The Dunfermline Press every week. I`ve been reading his contributions for years, the guy obviously has a screw loose.
The folk that vote for Reform will be the hardest hit, when they are forced off the dole, made to pay for their doctor`s visits and prescriptions. Turkey`s voting for Christmas
Fairly sure he was Scottish Family Party previously, which confirms he`s a fruit loop.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 22 Mar 07:05
Turns out the Reform super supporter that was on stage dancing about in a Reform football top cant work and is on disability benefits…..was quizzed on Reform removing them and started stumbling and bumbling in his response.
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Mon 23 Mar 02:44
Quote:
red-star-par, Sat 21 Mar 20:22
Looks like our local candidate for Reform is that Otto Inglis that sends in utter moronic nonsense to the letters page of The Dunfermline Press every week. I`ve been reading his contributions for years, the guy obviously has a screw loose.
The folk that vote for Reform will be the hardest hit, when they are forced off the dole, made to pay for their doctor`s visits and prescriptions. Turkey`s voting for Christmas
Im voting reform. I have a job. I`ve got 2 actually. Thanks to this money grabbing **** show of a government.
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Mon 23 Mar 02:50
Quote:
red-star-par, Sat 21 Mar 20:22
Looks like our local candidate for Reform is that Otto Inglis that sends in utter moronic nonsense to the letters page of The Dunfermline Press every week. I`ve been reading his contributions for years, the guy obviously has a screw loose.
The folk that vote for Reform will be the hardest hit, when they are forced off the dole, made to pay for their doctor`s visits and prescriptions. Turkey`s voting for Christmas
Can you show me where Reform says we need to pay for GP appointments and/or prescriptions and for the NHS?
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Mon 23 Mar 04:49
Part from nothing is for nothing in an SNP government. Its the likes of me and my family that pay for the down and outs in Scotland. Im thoroughly sick of it.
Post Edited (Mon 23 Mar 05:03)
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Mon 23 Mar 04:56
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 22 Mar 07:05
Turns out the Reform super supporter that was on stage dancing about in a Reform football top cant work and is on disability benefits…..was quizzed on Reform removing them and started stumbling and bumbling in histor response.
Least he has a belief in a party eh. Obviously the wrong one for you. What a bowfin attitude. The be kind mob 👏👏
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 23 Mar 07:15
Quote:
87Par, Mon 23 Mar 04:56
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 22 Mar 07:05
Turns out the Reform super supporter that was on stage dancing about in a Reform football top cant work and is on disability benefits…..was quizzed on Reform removing them and started stumbling and bumbling in histor response.
Least he has a belief in a party eh. Obviously the wrong one for you. What a bowfin attitude. The be kind mob 👏👏
Who said Im part of the “be kind mob”? 😂 Im part of the call out hypocrisy mob……his belief in a party that will remove his only income is slightly unhinged to say the least.
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Mon 23 Mar 08:07
Where about does Reform say they they will take away benefits from those in genuine need?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 23 Mar 08:12
What do you think Reform would do that would make Scotland better, or life better for you, 87par?
ETA - The candidate for Dunfermline has hidden his x/twitter posts. Anyone know why? 🤔
Post Edited (Mon 23 Mar 09:10)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 23 Mar 11:08
Quote:
87Par, Mon 23 Mar 08:07
Where about does Reform say they they will take away benefits from those in genuine need?
If he was in genuine need he wouldn’t be bouncing about on a stage with the Reform leader……
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 23 Mar 12:32
Reform UK`s popularity seems to be on the decline. Maybe folk are beginning to realise Nigel Farage is a grifter who has made a personal fortune out of political opportunism.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 24 Mar 20:22
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 23 Mar 12:32
Reform UK`s popularity seems to be on the decline. Maybe folk are beginning to realise Nigel Farage is a grifter who has made a personal fortune out of political opportunism.
I genuinely think this is down to Rupert Lowe’s Restore party. 5 weeks old and over 130,000 members. They had to of come from somewhere, I suspect a lot have come from Reform.
Loving You, Is In My DNA 🇾🇪
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 24 Mar 21:33
Or it could be down to their candidates being utter head cases.
The fella who allegedly can`t work due to a bad back yet is able to stand on podiums fist pumping is something else 😂 Absolute belter.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 24 Mar 22:45
Farage really upsetting the Ipswich fans today, Club statements trying to calm it!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 4 May 13:24
Reform UK`s latest policy announcement is that detention centres for illegal immigrants will be located in constituencies which have voted for Green council leaders or MPs! As immigration is a reserved issue presumably they will apply it in Scotland too and it may apply to constituencies with Green MSPs at Holyrood.
This is a new concept in UK politics - to openly threaten to `punish` those voters who don`t support them. Of course anyone who votes for Reform in these constituencies will suffer `punishment` too! Farage & co really are obnoxious.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 4 May 14:14
Keeps his £5m out the headlines I guess.
I was surprised he turned up for this announcement after running away from the TV interview.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 4 May 16:28
Why would it be a punishment to have an immigration centre in your constituency?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 4 May 16:45
Reduced green space, increased traffic, increased risk of folk escaping might be three decent reasons.
Would you not mind if they plonked one next to TOWK Towers?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 4 May 18:38
Apologies. I thought it was immigration process centres but no it`s actually holding facilities for those who will awaiting deportation. Suppose there will always nimbyism at the end of the day but any location for these centres should be decided on merit and not because of the political leanings of the voters in that location.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 4 May 19:36
I`ve said since the start there should be proper processing centres rather than using hotels and letting people roam around when they`re not documented. Maybe seems severe but that`s just my view. If they built a big centre in Dunfermline I couldn`t care less, though it would feel a bit silly given most people seeking asylum or arriving on boats do so in the south of England.
However, I`d never vote Reform. Not just because this cow is yet another made up load of nonsense, but because they are absolute clowns. They can`t back up any of their proposals with proper policy. They can`t explain how they would achieve any of their pledges either.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Mon 4 May 20:33
Let the right wing parties devour their voting share.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 4 May 21:04
If Reform were the only party, they still wouldn’t get my vote.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 5 May 23:15
Reform will be the main opposition party in Scotland and it will be interesting to witness what transpires in Holyrood with the other unionist parties.
Will they join with them or let the SNP rule the roost as far as policies and votes go.
The rest of the UK will be watching closely I imagine.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Wed 6 May 22:04
I suspect a lot of the Reform vote is a "none of the above" option. Others will vote with their feet. Or rather, not use their feet, but stay at home.
One interesting dynamic will be that Nigel Farage has no interest in Scotland (I`m not sure he has that much interest in England either to be fair) but likes to get his own way. Reform is not a member run party in the traditional sense - Farage and his buddies control it.
Sooner or later Offord and Farage will disagree. It will be interesting to see what happens then. Look what happened to Rupert Lowe.
Another interesting consequence will be what happens if there is no overall control. Pragmatism suggests that people hold their nose and form alliances (in private, if not in public).
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Fri 8 May 03:06
Quote:
McCaig`s Tower, Wed 6 May 22:04
I suspect a lot of the Reform vote is a "none of the above" option. Others will vote with their feet. Or rather, not use their feet, but stay at home.
One interesting dynamic will be that Nigel Farage has no interest in Scotland (I`m not sure he has that much interest in England either to be fair) but likes to get his own way. Reform is not a member run party in the traditional sense - Farage and his buddies control it.
Sooner or later Offord and Farage will disagree. It will be interesting to see what happens then. Look what happened to Rupert Lowe.
Another interesting consequence will be what happens if there is no overall control. Pragmatism suggests that people hold their nose and form alliances (in private, if not in public).
I really wouldn`t count on fall outs in Reform. We`ve got a prime minister backing a real live dodgy associate. And a Scottish Government asking for another term. A 20th year to get it right. Nah. Forgive me. I dont trust them. They dont serve me. Never will.
Post Edited (Fri 08 May 05:16)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 8 May 06:43
Trust? Nigel Farage took a five million pound bribe from some crypto billionaire and if he ever becomes prime minister it`ll be time for him to come good on that investment.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 8 May 22:19
Looks like Reform and their goblins haven`t sunk their claws into Scotland as much as they`d have wanted.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sat 9 May 02:48
Final Results
SNP 58 (-6)
Labour 17 (-4)
Reform UK 17 (+17)
Greens 15 (+6)
Conservative 12 (-19)
Lib Dem 10 (+6)
129 Seats, 65 for majority.
Post Edited (Sat 09 May 02:50)
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 9 May 09:50
So a good strong majority in favour of independence then 👍
Interesting to see how the unionists and Westminster deny democracy this time by not even allowing us to ask ourselves the question if we’d like to leave this ‘voluntary’ Union?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 9 May 10:11
They`ll add up the percentages of votes for independence and unionist parties and say the latter has the majority so there`s no need to have a formal referendum. And of course `now is not the time`, `once in a generation` etc.
Interesting to see the headlines in the unionist media. The Express managed to find some Tory comfort by declaring `THE BLUE WALL* HOLDS TO DENY SWINNEY VICTORY`!
*In the Borders!
Post Edited (Sat 09 May 10:12)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 9 May 10:34
The SNP got more than triple as many seats as their nearest rival(s), with a vote share that would`ve seen them win a landslide at Westminster, yet it is being presented as some sort of failure.
I bet the other parties wish they could fail like that, but they only seem capable of the more traditional sort of failure.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 9 May 10:41
While I`m glad the snp will form the next government they were undoubtedly helped by the Greens only standing in six constituencies.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 9 May 10:51
I don`t know how many times it needs said but it`s nigh on impossible to get a majority at Holyrood. The voting system is designed to encourage coalition.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Mon 11 May 00:39
Quote:
DBP, Sat 9 May 09:50
So a good strong majority in favour of independence then 👍
No? Do you know what majority means?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 11 May 00:48
There’s obviously a majority who vote SNP in Scotland however there is the rise of reform. I honestly can’t see an independence referendum going the way of independence. The economic/financial questions are bigger now than they were during indiref. SNP looks a helluva lot less competent and a helluva lot more corrupt than back then too.
COYP
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 11 May 08:24
Nigel Farage’s interview for the evening political programme Britain Decides was originally focused on migration and the economic pressures facing the UK. On air, the politician confidently stood his ground, claiming the country had “lost control of its borders” and that “tough measures” were the only way forward.
The exchange was tense yet predictable: the presenter pressed Farage on figures, consequences, and criticism from opponents, while Farage responded in his trademark style—combative and uncompromising.
However, according to those on set, the most talked-about moment occurred after the interview had officially concluded. As the host thanked the guest and the cameras formally faded to black, the equipment was allegedly still recording.
At that moment, a relaxed Farage reportedly chuckled and remarked: “The main thing is to say it with enough conviction; then nobody digs any deeper.”
An even more odious excuse for a human being than BJ and that`s saying something.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 11 May 09:05
Bamba daft, pro independence parties hold 73 seats in Holyrood. Unionist parties hold 56 seats.
As for the snp being `a helluva lot more corrupt` any wrongdoing by the snp pales into insignificance when compared to the £5m given, and then undeclared, to Farage by some cryptocurrency billionaire.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 11 May 09:07
Where did that come from GG? That looks like complete AI slop to me.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 11 May 11:13
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 11 May 09:05
Bamba daft, pro independence parties hold 73 seats in Holyrood. Unionist parties hold 56 seats.
As for the snp being `a helluva lot more corrupt` any wrongdoing by the snp pales into insignificance when compared to the £5m given, and then undeclared, to Farage by some cryptocurrency billionaire.
Farage is probably as corrupt as the SNP but does that make the SNP better?
No is my opinion.
And it still doesn’t detract from my point that the SNP being corrupted makes an independence referendum more difficult for the yes campaign to succeed.
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 May 11:30
What do these accusations of the SNP being `corrupt` relate to? Are they the allegations against Peter Murrell (who isn`t a politician) which have still to be tried in court? Media reports have suggested the party itself is skint after all the bad piublicity stemming from these allegations.
I unfderstand the £5m donated to Nigel Farage was to cover his personal protection for life and had nothing to do with politics. It seems a very odd basis on which to gift money to someone and you have to wonder how it was calculated.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 11 May 11:44
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 11 May 09:05
Bamba daft, pro independence parties hold 73 seats in Holyrood. Unionist parties hold 56 seats.
As for the snp being `a helluva lot more corrupt` any wrongdoing by the snp pales into insignificance when compared to the £5m given, and then undeclared, to Farage by some cryptocurrency billionaire.
I’d suggest the main ones are to do with Operation Branchform and the Alex Salmond affair but it’s not like there aren’t list of other things that would make someone think a political party is corrupt. From the “stamp fairy is very useful when it comes to campaigns” to ferries having windows painted on them for press conferences.
Not to mention all the SA cover ups.
COYP
Post Edited (Mon 11 May 11:44)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 11 May 12:27
Wee Eck , it almost doesn`t matter why the money was given. It was undeclared.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 11 May 12:32
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 11 May 12:27
Wee Eck , it almost doesn`t matter why the money was given. It was undeclared.
Farage used to claim to not be like other politicians - that cover is severely blown.
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 May 12:54
He also used to say he had no permanent residence and was dependent on friends to provide him with accommodation. Now he seems to be a millionaire with at least two homes and is more likely to be out on speaking engagements, promoting cryptocurrency or hosting programmes on GB News rather than attending to business in the House of Commons. Uniquely, his political party is a private company he controls.
Everybody knows politics is a dirty business and all parties `spin` stories for political advantage but there`s a difference between spin and corruption.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 11 May 14:16
Quote:
ipswichpar, Mon 11 May 09:07
Where did that come from GG? That looks like complete AI slop to me.
There are always various articles which appear when I open Google Chrome, Ipswich. Most of them are related to my browsing history, but I`ve never heard of the Britain Decides programme before.
Does it not exist? I took it as genuine. Sounds just like the sort of thing that pompous, arrogant, racist, xenophobic oaf would spout.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 11 May 14:54
Looks like it isn`t real to me GG. It seems to be linked to a website which was also pushing a BBC News branded story about Farage having a huge row on Question Time with Andrew Bailey which the BBC has confirmed as fake.
I believe it is associated with a website called silent-voyage.com or similar.
Frightening to think how much fake stuff is out there and just being shovelled into folk`s feeds.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 May 15:09
With outrageous characters like Farage and Trump it`s hard for folk to distinguish between fact and fiction.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 11 May 15:34
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 11 May 12:54
He also used to say he had no permanent residence and was dependent on friends to provide him with accommodation. Now he seems to be a millionaire with at least two homes and is more likely to be out on speaking engagements, promoting cryptocurrency or hosting programmes on GB News rather than attending to business in the House of Commons. Uniquely, his political party is a private company he controls.
Everybody knows politics is a dirty business and all parties `spin` stories for political advantage but there`s a difference between spin and corruption.
Dirty as in being made to pay legal fees by a court because you didn’t follow the guidelines? Your very own guidelines that you created? Or corrupt because you delete messages that aren’t meant to be deleted and only remember about them after other copies are found?
That’s just some of the stuff that’s known about. There’s loads of it. How much isn’t known about them?
There’s no defending the SNP’s culture anymore. They’ve not even tried to answer the one monetary question that would make independence much more viable 🤷🏻♂️ they’d rather avoid the question than come up with the solution.
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 May 15:50
They get criticised for spending all their time talking about independence then they get criticised for not answering questions about it! Nobody knows the democratic process to achieve a referendum so what`s the point of discussing the nuts and bolts of it? We have politicians happy to protect the sovereignty of Palestine or Ukraine or Greenland but they turn a deaf ear when asked the democratic route for Scotland to leave the union if its people want it.
How much money have Westminster governments wasted on legal fees fighting cases they knew they`d lose but pursued just to delay decisions?
On the question of deleted messages the Westminster government was doing that too, Alister Jack, the Scottish Secretary in particular, but nobody seemed to bat an eyelid.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 11 May 15:59
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 11 May 15:50
They get criticised for spending all their time talking about independence then they get criticised for not answering questions about it! Nobody knows the democratic process to achieve a referendum so what`s the point of discussing the nuts and bolts of it? We have politicians happy to protect the sovereignty of Palestine or Ukraine or Greenland but they turn a deaf ear when asked the democratic route for Scotland to leave the union if its people want it.
How much money have Westminster governments wasted on legal fees fighting cases they knew they`d lose but pursued just to delay decisions?
On the question of deleted messages the Westminster government was doing that too, Alister Jack, the Scottish Secretary in particular, but nobody seemed to bat an eyelid.
I never said anything about the democratic process of achieving a referendum. I said they need to have a clear answer for the monetary system. That’s the biggest reason we lost the first referendum. If Scottish businesses and companies that operated in Scotland thought they would be better off in an independent country, we’d have an independence referendum.
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 May 16:36
`I never said anything about the democratic process of achieving a referendum.`
Neither do any of the unionist parties!
So it`s businesses that decide rather than the people? If business confidence is so crucial in these decisions why did the UK leave the EU? I don`t remember much detailed economic argument in favour of leaving other than something scrawled on the side of a bus.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 11 May 17:03
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 11 May 16:36
`I never said anything about the democratic process of achieving a referendum.`
Neither do any of the unionist parties!
So it`s businesses that decide rather than the people? If business confidence is so crucial in these decisions why did the UK leave the EU? I don`t remember much detailed economic argument in favour of leaving other than something scrawled on the side of a bus.
Do you not think that money has huge influence? Do you not think that a feasible plan for the economy would have tipped the referendum in our favour?
If someone like Sir Tom Hunter comes out and says we’d be better off as a nation if we were independent rather than saying we’re overtaxed and before independence could work financially we’d need a competent government. Something like that would be a massive step towards independence.
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 May 18:00
Yeah, money has infliuence. some would say too much. I`m not sure people trust businessmen any more than they trust politicians.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 12 May 06:08
Quote:
ipswichpar, Mon 11 May 14:54
Looks like it isn`t real to me GG. It seems to be linked to a website which was also pushing a BBC News branded story about Farage having a huge row on Question Time with Andrew Bailey which the BBC has confirmed as fake.
I believe it is associated with a website called silent-voyage.com or similar.
Frightening to think how much fake stuff is out there and just being shovelled into folk`s feeds.
Yeah, apologies if I unthinkingly presented that as factual. Ironically, the BBC branded story you refer to also appeared in my news feed recently. My first thought was that it must be true, but I had no recollection of it, so I googled "When did Farage last appear on Question Time?" I think the answer was 2 or 3 years ago, so I knew the article was fake.
I remember the BBC news led a news programme with the news that the volume of fake news doing the rounds had overtaken the genuine stuff. Apologies again if I`ve misled anyone. I`ll be more careful in future.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 12 May 06:26
Certainly not your fault GG. There are folk out there promoting this nonsense to generate money, and social media firms not checking enough what`s on their platforms.
The BBC social media team itself had to look into this itself (it was mentioned on one of their podcasts....might have been Top Comment but not sure) so it clearly isn`t always obvious.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 15 May 18:41
There was a suggestion that Nigel Farage had used part of the £5m `donation` towards his personal security to buy a house for £1.4m. But fear not! The house was actually paid for out of the £1.5m fee he received for appearing in `I`m a Celebrity...Get me out of here!`
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 16 May 00:11
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Bamba-Daft, Mon 11 May 00:39
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DBP, Sat 9 May 09:50
So a good strong majority in favour of independence then 👍
No? Do you know what majority means?
Bamba - Please correct me where I’m wrong…
Majority meaning: “The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.”
Election results:
- Independence supporting parties (snp and greens): 73
- union supporting parties (Labour, reform, Lib Dem’s and tories: 56
Perhaps you don’t know what representative democracy means?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 20 May 09:11
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DBP, Sat 16 May 00:11
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Bamba-Daft, Mon 11 May 00:39
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DBP, Sat 9 May 09:50
So a good strong majority in favour of independence then 👍
No? Do you know what majority means?
Bamba - Please correct me where I’m wrong…
Majority meaning: “The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.”
Election results:
- Independence supporting parties (snp and greens): 73
- union supporting parties (Labour, reform, Lib Dem’s and tories: 56
Perhaps you don’t know what representative democracy means?
No doubt in Scotland there is people voting for pro independence parties when it comes to elections however I don’t think that translates into a yes campaign automatically winning a yes vote.
“Independence” parties only took home 43.2% of the votes. Thats not showing a mandate imo.
Honestly. I think It’s all a bit of a misnomer though because I think some people would vote differently rather than along strict party lines.
Still what the SNP has never addressed is what they’d do with the economy and if their tax policy is to be followed it would be hard not to believe that they’d tax more in independence to try make up the shortfall- as much as they claim there’s not a shortfall.
COYP
Post Edited (Wed 20 May 09:12)
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 20 May 09:37
I’d like to see the unionists have to give a detailed forecast of what they’ll do in the event of a ‘no’ vote on independence, and what the economy will look like in the short and medium term
They won’t, and that’s for the same reason the yes side can’t.
A) because any economic plan is made by an individual party, and who’s to say the we’ll all vote for the SNP’s vision of the future of for Scotland in the first Scottish general election
B) the unionists can’t agree what that would be, because they’ve all got there own view of how to run an economy - so if current voting trends continue - it would be farage that should paint the economic forecast of the union
C) world events generally impact all plans, so you can set strategic objectives and how they translate into proposed policies and changes - but along comes war, crisis, pandemics, etc and they have to adapt
D) the unionists wouldn’t agree to it because let’s be honest, the UK economy is no better and England isn’t exactly the land of milk and honey
Post Edited (Wed 20 May 09:39)
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 20 May 09:38
Nearly 1Mn new voters have joined the Scottish electorate since 2014, with most pollsters agreeing that younger folk are far more likely to be pro-Independence.
The question for me is: why are we wasting money paying for Westminster when we could have access to the biggest single market around? And, most likely, we`d be getting development funding from the EU among other things.
It`s only moving in one direction, so we`d be best to get on with it.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 20 May 09:45
Folk who are against independence love to translate the votes cast in general elections as if they were referenda to prove there isn`t a majority in favour of it but they`re happy to deny the electorate a referendum which would be an indisputable gauge of the position.
They also don`t want the SNP to spend any time talking about independence but then complain that they haven`t explained how things would work in that situation.
On the subject of taxation how much tax paid by Scots is being assigned to wasteful projects like HS2 or nuclear power stations which could be avoided under independence?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 20 May 20:42
The more wasted on HS2 the better as Scotland gets more pocket money the more England spends. I`m pretty sure it`s around 5x more than they said it would cost already. Absolute idiots at the helm.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 20 May 23:19
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jake89, Wed 20 May 20:42
The more wasted on HS2 the better as Scotland gets more pocket money the more England spends. I`m pretty sure it`s around 5x more than they said it would cost already. Absolute idiots at the helm.
Apparently HS2’s cost per mile is estimated at roughly £750,000,000 per mile, and with standard new-build Scottish ferries (like the Islay vessels) costing about £52,000,000 each, you could build roughly 14 to 15 large Scottish ferries for the price of just one mile of the HS2 railway.
I would question where the money actually goes on a lot of these UK Government projects. I suspect much of it is siphoned off into the grubby pockets of establishment figures. The UK taxpayer is getting taken for a ride (just not on HS2 any time soon)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 21 May 13:07
Did Boris`s father not get a million?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 21 May 15:06
The total cost we’re all paying for hs2 to go from London to Birmingham is more than was paid to get that shuttle round the far side of the moon and back!
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 21 May 15:20
They didn`t have bats and news to worry about though!
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 21 May 20:08
HS2 is an utter shambles, there`s no benefit to Scotland at all but we are subsidising little england as usual. But, let`s not talk about that, look, look, the ferries.
It`s a pity that the people in england know that as much as they would like an independent england, that collectively, as a nation, they are too wee, too stupid, too lazy, too reliant on us, to ever go it alone
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 21 May 22:35
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red-star-par, Thu 21 May 20:08
HS2 is an utter shambles, there`s no benefit to Scotland at all but we are subsidising little england as usual. But, let`s not talk about that, look, look, the ferries.
It`s a pity that the people in england know that as much as they would like an independent england, that collectively, as a nation, they are too wee, too stupid, too lazy, too reliant on us, to ever go it alone
We are absolutely not financing HS2. Because it is categorised as an England only rail project so we receive consequentials.
Arguing that we are paying for it damages the cause of Scottish Independence because its a lie.
A much better arguement is Crossrail, which cost £18.8 billion. This was categorised as a London-specific transport project which did mean we financed it through taxation but did not receive consequentials.
This is a very important point as it is now pushed by Westminster to try and categorise projects in a way that avoids the need to pay consequentials.
The fact they are deliberately doing that is a much better arguement for independence.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 21 May 23:18
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 21 May 22:35
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red-star-par, Thu 21 May 20:08
HS2 is an utter shambles, there`s no benefit to Scotland at all but we are subsidising little england as usual. But, let`s not talk about that, look, look, the ferries.
It`s a pity that the people in england know that as much as they would like an independent england, that collectively, as a nation, they are too wee, too stupid, too lazy, too reliant on us, to ever go it alone
We are absolutely not financing HS2. Because it is categorised as an England only rail project so we receive consequentials.
Arguing that we are paying for it damages the cause of Scottish Independence because its a lie.
A much better arguement is Crossrail, which cost £18.8 billion. This was categorised as a London-specific transport project which did mean we financed it through taxation but did not receive consequentials.
This is a very important point as it is now pushed by Westminster to try and categorise projects in a way that avoids the need to pay consequentials.
The fact they are deliberately doing that is a much better arguement for independence.
More and more debt being created by England though. Debt that the Scottish taxpayer has to help cover. So although we get a few quid, the reality is we`re going to pay for that extra few quid a good few times over. At the same time, I guarantee a few parliamentary donors are getting very, very rich!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 22 May 07:08
One guy was on LBC the other day saying he had made the same delivery to HS2 3 times, of exactly the same stuff and order in the space of just over a week - he stated that he asked why they kept ordering the same stuff to be told it kept going missing……..no wonder its so far over budget!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 22 May 13:13
On the subject of money just a wee reminder that Nigel Farage received a £5m gift from a crypto billionaire.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 26 May 09:18
Quote:
DBP, Wed 20 May 09:37
I’d like to see the unionists have to give a detailed forecast of what they’ll do in the event of a ‘no’ vote on independence, and what the economy will look like in the short and medium term
They won’t, and that’s for the same reason the yes side can’t.
A) because any economic plan is made by an individual party, and who’s to say the we’ll all vote for the SNP’s vision of the future of for Scotland in the first Scottish general election
B) the unionists can’t agree what that would be, because they’ve all got there own view of how to run an economy - so if current voting trends continue - it would be farage that should paint the economic forecast of the union
C) world events generally impact all plans, so you can set strategic objectives and how they translate into proposed policies and changes - but along comes war, crisis, pandemics, etc and they have to adapt
D) the unionists wouldn’t agree to it because let’s be honest, the UK economy is no better and England isn’t exactly the land of milk and honey
The unionists don’t need to give an economic plan because their plan is to carry on with the current plan. It’s not difficult to work that out.
The ‘yes’ campaign needs to have a plan that at the very least looks like it would put business in a better financial position than the ‘no’ campaign, they’ve had over a decade to do it but have never been able to.
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 26 May 10:21
`The unionists don’t need to give an economic plan because their plan is to carry on with the current plan. It’s not difficult to work that out.`
Breath-taking. How much is the UK National debt?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 26 May 10:50
Genuinely LOL at the unionist economic plan being the current one.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 26 May 11:29
By the way, I’m not here to convince anyone the UK is doing well or that Brexit has been a success or anything else. What I am saying though is that even for how poor the UK has done in the last 20 years, the SNP still can’t come up with a credible alternative.
But rather than addressing it, they’ll just blame Westminster and let the money train role on. The only ones benefiting are the SNP.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 26 May 12:26
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NMCmassive, Tue 26 May 11:29
By the way, I’m not here to convince anyone the UK is doing well or that Brexit has been a success or anything else. What I am saying though is that even for how poor the UK has done in the last 20 years, the SNP still can’t come up with a credible alternative.
But rather than addressing it, they’ll just blame Westminster and let the money train role on. The only ones benefiting are the SNP.
Alex Salmond said the first thing you do is convince people that you can actually government then everything follows.
I suppose Sturgeon’s brought us the baby-box
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 26 May 19:44
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Tenruh, Tue 26 May 12:26
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NMCmassive, Tue 26 May 11:29
By the way, I’m not here to convince anyone the UK is doing well or that Brexit has been a success or anything else. What I am saying though is that even for how poor the UK has done in the last 20 years, the SNP still can’t come up with a credible alternative.
But rather than addressing it, they’ll just blame Westminster and let the money train role on. The only ones benefiting are the SNP.
Alex Salmond said the first thing you do is convince people that you can actually government then everything follows.
I suppose Sturgeon’s brought us the baby-box
But the Scottish Government IS doing a good job by comparison.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 26 May 22:30
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jake89, Tue 26 May 19:44
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Tenruh, Tue 26 May 12:26
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NMCmassive, Tue 26 May 11:29
By the way, I’m not here to convince anyone the UK is doing well or that Brexit has been a success or anything else. What I am saying though is that even for how poor the UK has done in the last 20 years, the SNP still can’t come up with a credible alternative.
But rather than addressing it, they’ll just blame Westminster and let the money train role on. The only ones benefiting are the SNP.
Alex Salmond said the first thing you do is convince people that you can actually government then everything follows.
I suppose Sturgeon’s brought us the baby-box
But the Scottish Government IS doing a good job by comparison.
It’s actually not though.
From its own stats 2024-25 we’re running a 12% deficit. If we were independent, that would be the highest deficit in Europe.
Our deficit has moved between 8-14% in recent years but we’ve always been higher than the UK average.
Basically the countries revenue was £91.4 billion incl North Sea oil and we spent £117.6 billion.
Without North Sea oil our deficit would be over £30billion - about 14%
Makes me wonder why we’re so against developing North Sea oil further. The indyref argument was we could milk it for what it’s worth for our own betterment. The whole just transition policy is almost a 180degree turn away from that.
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 27 May 18:45
But Scotland can`t run a deficit. It has a set budget.
It`s using it to full effect and has far lower child poverty rates, a better run NHS and hasn`t seen as extensive public service cuts as there`s been in English councils. That sounds like a decent job to me.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 27 May 21:24
You’re right Jake. Thankfully we take from the UK budget rather than our own otherwise we’d be running at a huge deficit.
You can get all this from the GERS figures that Holyrood put together and produce - if you didn’t know. They’re showing for 2024/25 Scotlands expenditure exceeded it production.
For context the UK as a whole has a deficit of 4.3%
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 27 May 22:44
Sounds like Westminster should kick Scotland out then.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 27 May 23:06
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jake89, Wed 27 May 22:44
Sounds like Westminster should kick Scotland out then.
Yep, definitely. What`s the point in england subsidising Scotland? They need to kick Scotland out and go it alone. I`m sure england would be much better off without Scotland
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 27 May 23:26
When the annual GERS figures are published it`s seldom mentioned that separate figures are published for the three devolved nations and nine regions of England. Traditionally the only ones which show a `surplus` are London and the South East. I wonder why that is? Of the others Scotland usually performs relatively well.
These figures show revenue and expenditure for Scotland as part of the UK which wouldn`t necessarily be the same if it were an independent country with its own government, making its own decisions.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 28 May 09:13
I agree Eck they wouldn’t necessarily be the same but it doesn’t mean they’d be better either, likelihood is they’d be worse for a concerted period of time which goes back to my point, if we want independence we need to show competence in government and have a clear plan for the economy post split. We’re clearly failing on both fronts because Reform isn’t an accident. Nigel Farage wouldn’t have a leg to stand on up here if we were atleast performing well socially and financially. There’s to much he can talk about, he doesn’t need to tell lies.
We are not heading in the right direction and the longer it keeps going, the worse it will get. Eventually Reform/Restore or whoever will be a strong political voice in Scotland.
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 28 May 10:07
I`m not convinced Reform is as big a threat in Scotland as they are in England. They`re doing well because the Tories are in disarray but the Tories have had no electoral success in Scotland since the 1950s so I think there`s a limit on what progress Reform can make up here.
We now have three devolved governments with aspirations of independence. Westminster will try to frustrate them but acting together they may be able to force WM to change its stance.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 28 May 10:55
Right now they’re not. Between the tories and reform they took around 28% of the vote when generally they’ve been a lot closer to 20%.
Reforms rise isn’t insignificant and to be perfectly honest, I’m blaming Holyrood 100% for it.
I’m actually starting to think Rupert Lowe will end up stronger than Farage down there because things like this £5million from a crypto guy in Thailand just doesn’t work.
COYP
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Thu 28 May 23:15
Quote:
Andrew283, Fri 8 May 22:19
Looks like Reform and their goblins haven`t sunk their claws into Scotland as much as they`d have wanted.
Hmmm. Look at the goblins we got eh.
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