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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 10 Jul 15:51
Well this is a bit worrying, police have announced that they will be making a statement about the death of the former MP, and their related investigations.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 10 Jul 16:08
Murdered. Police seeking a white male on connection and the investigation is moving swiftly. Sounds like they`ll be catching the scum bag shortly that seemingly battered a 78 year-old woman to death.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 10 Jul 17:52
A 26 year old White British National has been arrested in connection with her murder.
Post Edited (Fri 10 Jul 17:52)
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Fri 10 Jul 19:23
I wonder who paid the 26 year old white man to do this or is he just another lefty nutjob..
There will be a reason but we obviously will not be told the truth.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 10 Jul 19:24
Enough of the trolling please, it`s not even subtle.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 10 Jul 21:03
I just assumed it was natural causes given her age, absolutely terrible news this.
Police stating there is "no information to believe that that is a politically motivated crime". That seems like a bit of a holding statement, I would be surprised if there is no connection.
I don`t need to agree with a politician to like them, I liked Ann Widdecombe.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 10 Jul 21:45
BP, an elderly woman, living alone in a rural location. Burglary gone wrong would be me first hunch as to what had happened.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 10 Jul 21:50
It may well turn out to be the case that is it something along the lines you describe, perhaps even something along the lines of being a burglary because she was a "rich politician" without being politically motivated.
I`m not suggesting, nor indeed think you are suggesting "not politically motivated" makes this any less atrocious.
Post Edited (Fri 10 Jul 21:51)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 10 Jul 22:00
Of course not. This scumbag should be buried beneath the prison.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 10 Jul 23:23
It’s far too early to tell what the motive is but Jesus it’s absolutely terrible.
I really feel for her family and friends. She didn’t deserve that.
I do think some of the responses to her death are despicable. Nonce adjacent (apparently) Tatchel wrote something he’s had to retract and apologise for and Adam Boulton looks like a pr*k after his appearance on Sky.
“You can tell a lot about a person by how they react when someone dies.” proves true every time.
COYP
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 10 Jul 23:24
Despite her being a Tory, and then, even worse, Reform, I actually quite liked her. She always seemed like a fairly normal, likeable person. It`s a real tragic event. My first thought was it`s probably a robbery gone wrong as well. Probably some poor kid that`s been badly affected by years of Tory austerity.
There are some politicians though, that I think may have a reckoning coming soon, the UK is simmering, they have sown the seeds of hatred, along racial lines, if people get smart and work out who the true enemy is, then there may be a lot more to come
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 11 Jul 07:03
Jeez..... man arrested now released and no longer part of the investigation.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 11 Jul 23:04
Quote:
ipswichpar, Sat 11 Jul 07:03
Jeez..... man arrested now released and no longer part of the investigation.
Can only hope that helps them narrow it down to the true culprit(s)
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 11 Jul 23:04
Quote:
red-star-par, Fri 10 Jul 23:24
Despite her being a Tory, and then, even worse, Reform, I actually quite liked her. She always seemed like a fairly normal, likeable person. It`s a real tragic event. My first thought was it`s probably a robbery gone wrong as well. Probably some poor kid that`s been badly affected by years of Tory austerity.
There are some politicians though, that I think may have a reckoning coming soon, the UK is simmering, they have sown the seeds of hatred, along racial lines, if people get smart and work out who the true enemy is, then there may be a lot more to come
I hope you’re including Humza Useless and co as well as anyone on the right you don’t like.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 11 Jul 23:56
Breaking on the BBC
A 28 year old man has now been arrested.
It’s been an awful piece of news for such a lovely lady.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 12 Jul 00:07
28 yo white British national was arrested in S Yorkshire.
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Topic Originator: DartmoorPar
Date: Sun 12 Jul 13:51
I live less than a mile away. Village crawling with reporters and an obvious high police presence.
It`s a very low crime area so something like this is unprescedented in the 20 years I`ve been here.
In War : Resolution ; In Defeat : Defiance ; In Victory : Magnanimity ; In Peace : Goodwill
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 12 Jul 17:19
Despite disagreeing with nearly 90% of her views (fox hunting a very notable exception), she was without question a woman of conviction who truly believed in what she spoke.
There is nothing wrong with that and she was open for debate and not just handing out soundbites for popularity.
Whatever happened, it’s a nasty way to go.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 12 Jul 18:14
The burglary gone wrong theory might not hold up much longer as it seems that the suspect in custody drove 270 miles from his home to her house.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 12 Jul 18:24
There have been reports of folk driving elsewhere in the UK to Fife to commit burglaries.
I`d let the police do their work.....I`m sure they`ll get to the truth.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 12 Jul 18:25
There is a high chance it is politically motivated, but thats not terror related, which is what certain parties will try to use.
I see Reform have now given all MPs 24 hour security protection - politics should never come to that no matter what your policies are.
Post Edited (Sun 12 Jul 18:25)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 12 Jul 20:26
Police are saying there was nothing to suggest her killing was politically motivated.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 12 Jul 21:53
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 12 Jul 20:26
Police are saying there was nothing to suggest her killing was politically motivated.
Then thats fair enough 🤷🏻♂️ some people wont believe that mind you
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 13 Jul 13:08
Counter-terrorism police are now leading the investigation according to the Home Secretary.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Mon 13 Jul 13:15
"The 28 year old man has been re-arrested on suspicion of commission, preparation, instigation of acts of terrorism" according to police.
The idea that this man drove hundreds of miles to a remote hamlet on Dartmoor killed a well known politician then travelled back home again was some random act was not going to hold.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 13 Jul 13:15
They are having a bit of a mare with this one. Probably shouldn’t have said anything except looking for a suspect/got a suspect etc. Putting their own theories out there before any concrete evidence was found has had negative effects on this.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 13 Jul 17:59
Probably trying to contain the true story over the weekend. Imagine if it is terror related, england get pumped out the World Cup and Farage and his idiots stoke up the brain dead to hit the streets, england is ready to errupt
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 13 Jul 20:44
Aye, just imagine how stupid that would be, if it wasn`t for immigrants there wouldn`t be an England team!🤔
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 15 Jul 18:36
Are you saying it’s stupid to think that without immigration, England wouldn’t field an international team?
I don’t think that’s correct?
I think what you can say is that without immigration, the current England team would have different players than it does today
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 16 Jul 18:58
Someone’s been arrested for hurty words about Ann Widdecombe and everyone’s still arguing about irrelevant stuff.
As much as what was said about Ann Widdecombe is absolutely reprehensible, arresting someone for saying something doesn’t sit right with me. They could well use it as an excuse to tighten hurty words laws.
We’re well on our way to blasphemy laws. Something Ann would have been dead against.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 16 Jul 20:25
Ann Widdecombe wrote passionately about her desire to limit people`s freedom to mock the tenets of Christianity.
She seemed fine with mocking the institutions and practitioners of Christianity to be fair. And she didn`t seem to have a problem with people mocking the tenets of other religions, or at least I can`t find any articles where she mentions it.
To me, it sounds like she was in favour of blasphemy laws in some form. I think she was Shadow Minister for Home Affairs when Gordon Brown`s government repealed England`s last (hopefully) blasphemy laws in 2008, and looking at her voting record she voted against it.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 16 Jul 20:26
I agree NMC. I had read that the Police had originally said it wasn`t a criminal matter, and thought that common sense had prevailed but it looks like they are now going to take it further, which is pretty disappointing.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 16 Jul 21:02
Will Nige call out her arrest since he is against arrests for “hurty words”?
I wont hold my breath…..
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 16 Jul 23:24
Much as I disagree with speaking ill of the dead, there are always going to be exceptions and everyone should be free to voice and opinion (and expect some to disagree with it).
The problem with the far right is they pick and choose which rules apply. Basically, they`re thick as mince.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 17 Jul 03:55
The University employee has not been charged under any "hate speech" law, he has been charged under the Communications Act for "severe public offense", something quite separate.
It is the same law count Dankula was prosecuted under for training his girlfriend`s pug to do a Nazi salute. In Dank`s case the police sought out a Jewish scholar, showed him the video (that he had previously never seen and did not know of it`s existence) and asked if he was offended.
Due to a previous precedent in law judges must evaluate whether a message is an actual threat or just an obvious piece of satire before deciding if it is "grossly offensive", the judge in Dank`s case ruled that it was not satire.
We are where we are with these ridiculous laws and maybe now it is rebounding on the people who introduced them (he is a green party member) we might find that they are looked at again.
Post Edited (Fri 17 Jul 03:56)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 17 Jul 16:38
I don’t really care what act they use to arrest anyone for that type of thing. it’s government/state authority overreach however it gets dressed up.
It’s not a left v right issue. If your first thought is what the other political side is saying, you’re missing the point completely.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 17 Jul 16:52
I don’t really care what act they use to arrest anyone for that type of thing. it’s government/state authority overreach however it gets dressed up.
It’s not a left v right issue. If your first thought is what the other political side is saying, you’re missing the point completely.
I would tend to agree.
It is society`s role to decide on these things, and society can shun those whose speech it deems unacceptable. There`s no need for government involvement.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 20 Jul 07:14
Quote:
jake89, Thu 16 Jul 23:24
Much as I disagree with speaking ill of the dead, there are always going to be exceptions and everyone should be free to voice and opinion (and expect some to disagree with it).
The problem with the far right is they pick and choose which rules apply. Basically, they`re thick as mince.
You ever conversed with the radical lefties?
Much the same.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 20 Jul 12:29
I am a radical leftie, educate me on my obvious hypocrisy please.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 20 Jul 13:00
Not sure if you’re joking but you come across as someone who thinks they’re a radical leftist without realising they’ll never be left enough
COYP
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Topic Originator: answer
Date: Mon 20 Jul 19:32
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 20 Jul 13:00
Not sure if you’re joking but you come across as someone who thinks they’re a radical leftist without realising they’ll never be left enough
What is left enough?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 20 Jul 20:24
Not sure if you’re joking but you come across as someone who thinks they’re a radical leftist without realising they’ll never be left enough
Not joking.
Although you have made it clear on plenty occasions that you don`t know what the term radical left means. Or, rather, you`ve made it clear that your definition of the term is woefully limited - yet another trait that you share with Marxists.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 21 Jul 09:01
Quote:
answer, Mon 20 Jul 19:32
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 20 Jul 13:00
Not sure if you’re joking but you come across as someone who thinks they’re a radical leftist without realising they’ll never be left enough
What is left enough?
Nobody knows
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 21 Jul 09:01
Quote:
Wotsit, Mon 20 Jul 20:24
Not sure if you’re joking but you come across as someone who thinks they’re a radical leftist without realising they’ll never be left enough
Not joking.
Although you have made it clear on plenty occasions that you don`t know what the term radical left means. Or, rather, you`ve made it clear that your definition of the term is woefully limited - yet another trait that you share with Marxists.
What’s your definition of radical left?
COYP
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Topic Originator: answer
Date: Tue 21 Jul 11:19
Quote:
NMCmassive, Tue 21 Jul 09:01
Quote:
answer, Mon 20 Jul 19:32
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 20 Jul 13:00
Not sure if you’re joking but you come across as someone who thinks they’re a radical leftist without realising they’ll never be left enough
What is left enough?
Nobody knows
What did you mean when you said it then?
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 21 Jul 17:44
Radical left vs Radical right.
Can any sane person the difference between the two?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 21 Jul 19:07
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Tue 21 Jul 17:44
Radical left vs Radical right.
Can any sane person the difference between the two?
Ask wotsit. Him and his pals went mental when I said they were basically the same
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 21 Jul 19:07
Going back on topic. Horrible to hear the circumstances that led to her death. Many may have disagreed with her politics but she didn`t deserve that.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 21 Jul 19:09
Quote:
answer, Tue 21 Jul 11:19
Quote:
NMCmassive, Tue 21 Jul 09:01
Quote:
answer, Mon 20 Jul 19:32
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 20 Jul 13:00
Not sure if you’re joking but you come across as someone who thinks they’re a radical leftist without realising they’ll never be left enough
What is left enough?
Nobody knows
What did you mean when you said it then?
He only thinks he’s a communist. He won’t be communist when they take all his stuff for the greater good.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 21 Jul 22:38
Absolutely dreadful details coming out about circumstances of her death. How the initial supposition by authorities that this could ever have been "a burglary gone wrong" needs questioning.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 21 Jul 23:02
I`ve got to admit, a hammer isn`t a great implement to murder anyone with, it`s well designed for hammering stationary nails into wood, but when it comes to hitting a person with, when they are moving, it`s very unwieldy, very messy too, an awkward tool for the job
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 22 Jul 01:09
I don`t think I read anywhere that the authorities said it was a burglary gone wrong. That was my initial thought but the police were always consistent about remaining open to the motives behind the crime.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 22 Jul 04:55
Quote:
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 22 Jul 01:09
I don`t think I read anywhere that the authorities said it was a burglary gone wrong. That was my initial thought but the police were always consistent about remaining open to the motives behind the crime.
Farage revealed he was informed by Keir Starmer by phone when it became clear it was murder that the initial opinion of the investigating authorities was a "botched burglary".
Farage told him that he did not believe that to be the case and it was more than likely political.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/07/15/farage-starmer-told-me-widdecombe-killing-botched-burglary/
Post Edited (Wed 22 Jul 04:56)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 22 Jul 11:04
Quote:
Wotsit, Mon 20 Jul 12:29
I am a radical leftie, educate me on my obvious hypocrisy please.
The far right exploit lassies raped by illegal immigrants, the caring left deny their existence.
Both sets are scum.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 22 Jul 11:51
BP I need actual statements from the authorities where they say it is believed to be a botched burglary. I can`t take the word of Farage on that as he`s been exposed as being an unreliable narrator on numerous occasions especially recently over the £5 million he received from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 22 Jul 15:06
Quote:
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 22 Jul 11:51
BP I need actual statements from the authorities where they say it is believed to be a botched burglary. I can`t take the word of Farage on that as he`s been exposed as being an unreliable narrator on numerous occasions especially recently over the £5 million he received from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Yeah, you`re not the Queen of Sheba so that`s all you are getting. He made the claim live on TV, if that was not what he was told by the PM I`m sure Starmer would have refuted it.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 22 Jul 16:45
I don`t believe for one second that the police told Starmer, unequivocally, that it was a burglary gone wrong, when everything that they were stating publicly was they were keeping an open mind to the motive. I also then don`t believe that Starmer told Farage, unequivocally, that the police told him it was a burglary gone wrong. Starmer is a lot of things but he isn`t a stupid man and with his legal background he wouldn`t have talked in definitives and absolutes.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 22 Jul 19:07
If it is the guy who they’ve arrested, he’s made an almost 600mile round trip. Left his house before 8am to arrive at hers at a time when she’s likely to be home - I highly doubt it’s a burglary gone wrong.
He’s went out of his way to murder her and I actually think Farage is right to highlight that it’s probably politically motivated considering her profile and her being a Reform member.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 22 Jul 19:14
Think it`s fair to say now that it absolutely wasn`t a murder committed during a burglary. The point being that it isn`t some sort of conspiracy by the police to hide the true motive. The police acted reasonably swiftly in arresting the suspect. Others speculated while the police ruled nothing out.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 22 Jul 19:30
Quote:
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 22 Jul 19:14
The point being that it isn`t some sort of conspiracy by the police to hide the true motive.
I certainly hope not.
It`s maybe due to "unconscious bias" they probably jump to "burglary gone wrong" because it was their preferred outcome.
While I think a more neutral position would have been for Ann Widdicombe to be robbed, let alone killed and there be no possible political motive although possible, highly improbable.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 22 Jul 19:45
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Wed 22 Jul 19:30
Quote:
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 22 Jul 19:14
The point being that it isn`t some sort of conspiracy by the police to hide the true motive.
I certainly hope not.
It`s maybe due to "unconscious bias" they probably jump to "burglary gone wrong" because it was their preferred outcome.
While I think a more neutral position would have been for Ann Widdicombe to be robbed, let alone killed and there be no possible political motive although possible, highly improbable.
Imagine being that ingrained in a narrative that you think the police have preferred outcomes to major crimes 🤦🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 22 Jul 21:21
Saying they were investigating and keeping an open mind seemed like far the most sensible approach. In the early stages of an investigation it`s ok not to understand the facts.
Of course, saying they thought it wasn`t political or terror related could simply have been an approach to get someone to communicate online and implicate themselves.
It`ll come out in due course. It seems like they have caught the current suspects quickly given the geography involved.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 23 Jul 06:44
The court artist`s impression is wildly different to the guy`s photo, this is another Jill Dando.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: answer
Date: Thu 23 Jul 07:11
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Thu 23 Jul 06:44
The court artist`s impression is wildly different to the guy`s photo, this is another Jill Dando.
What photo?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 23 Jul 11:51
Oh come on, it`s two different guys, two different races.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 23 Jul 11:55
I thought the media were not allowed to publish images of those accused of murder before or during their trial?
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 23 Jul 11:58
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 23 Jul 11:55
I thought the media were not allowed to publish images of those accused of murder before or during their trial?
I think the officers of Leven Division are exempt.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 23 Jul 12:18
I`ve no idea what you`re on about.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 23 Jul 14:15
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Thu 23 Jul 11:51
Oh come on, it`s two different guys, two different races.
Because it`s not real. Here is the real court drawing:
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 23 Jul 14:42
Quote:
jake89, Thu 23 Jul 14:15
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Thu 23 Jul 11:51
Oh come on, it`s two different guys, two different races.
Because it`s not real. Here is the real court drawing:
It appears to be being reported that there were two artists in the court that day (which sounds weird).
And the one named on the original AP article picture seems legit.
Any idea why the mix up?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 23 Jul 16:23
The court impression is not taken in court. It’s done from memory and witness accounts, and they’re drawn outside of court, so the likeness is never going to be the same.
Also the photograph of the suspect is approximately 4 years old. It has already been established that when he appeared for the preliminary hearing his hair was much shorter than in the photograph.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Thu 23 Jul 17:12)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 23 Jul 21:18
Thanks Buffy. It seems a completely antiquated system. I guess things change at the point of sentencing. You would think if they could be so wrong that providing no pictures at all might be better!
wee eck.... this is what I was referring to
https://youtu.be/rZtJG7NFQZs?is=lP1KJ7oP09sv_04W
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