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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Tue 22 Sep 21:39
Jesus Christ..
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 22 Sep 21:49
Quote:
Hoolie, Tue 22 Sep 21:39
Jesus Christ..
Any chance of a link?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 23 Sep 07:38
I bet they don`t get hounded and vilified like our own claimants.
As soon as my final move abroad is done i`m removing my taxes, they come after me for them, i won`t be back.
And still the septum ring twitchers scream for more, idiots.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 23 Sep 11:20
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 23 Sept 07:38
I bet they don`t get hounded and vilified like our own claimants.
As soon as my final move abroad is done i`m removing my taxes, they come after me for them, i won`t be back.
And still the septum ring twitchers scream for more, idiots.
Don`t let the door hit you on the way out.
Bye Felicia
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 23 Sep 11:29
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 23 Sep 11:32
Where are you moving to?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 23 Sep 11:40
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 23 Sept 11:29
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Andrew283, Wed 23 Sept 11:20
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Dandy Warhol, Wed 23 Sept 07:38
I bet they don`t get hounded and vilified like our own claimants.
As soon as my final move abroad is done i`m removing my taxes, they come after me for them, i won`t be back.
And still the septum ring twitchers scream for more, idiots.
Don`t let the door hit you on the way out.
Bye Felicia
I won`t sweetheart.
Bye bye septum ring twitcher.
Look, it`s a nasty immigrant guys. Hope Tommo doesn`t stab your boat
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 23 Sep 11:58
Quote:
jake89, Wed 23 Sept 11:32
Where are you moving to?
I think they mentioned they were going to emigrate to Denmark and Lithuania previously.
Not sure if that means presenting on two sets of immigration statistics.
Definitely the right part of Europe for a Scot I think given the temperatures elsewhere!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 23 Sep 12:12
Imagine moaning about immigrants just to become one yourself 😂🤦🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 23 Sep 12:44
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 23 Sept 12:12
Imagine moaning about immigrants just to become one yourself 😂🤦🏻♂️
Well, if they post that they have entered the country illegally, are getting free housing and benefits & are acting criminally then any identification of hypocrisy would be justified, but I suspect laws will be respected.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 23 Sep 13:14
[Post Deleted] - Deliberately provoking fellow DAFC.net poster(s)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 23 Sep 15:07
I`d say there must be a whole load more money being made off the whole immigration game, from millionaire hotel owners charging extortionate fees for substandard accommodation, to the catering firms providing the food. It`s all a big money making scam.
It`s also all down to the Kalergi plan, destabilising European countries
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 23 Sep 16:11
How sad when patriots like Jim Ratcliffe, Tommy Robinson and Dandy feel the need to leave the country they love. Those of us left behind will just have to make the most of it without them I suppose.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 23 Sep 17:21
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 23 Sept 15:07
It`s also all down to the Kalergi plan, destabilising European countries
GTF with your Neo-Nazi, Jew hating conspiracy theories.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 23 Sep 17:56
[Post Deleted] - Deliberately provoking fellow DAFC.net poster(s)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 23 Sep 17:56
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 23 Sept 16:11
How sad when patriots like Jim Ratcliffe, Tommy Robinson and Dandy feel the need to leave the country they love. Those of us left behind will just have to make the most of it without them I suppose.
Cry me a river.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 23 Sep 19:17
The thing he`ll find in Denmark is that they have, historically, been more generous to migrants than the UK. In the last few years though, they have seriously tightened up their regulations and made it harder to obtain citizenship. I naturalized as a Swedish citizen in 2021 and, at that time, there was no civics or language test which I think was absolutely nuts. Now, thankfully, Sweden has tightened up and doing the same.
The major difference between Sweden and Denmark is mentality. Swedes have had peace for 200 years, while the Danes have known conflict and have that bit of nationalism, which I would say is a good thing.
Personally, I do think we (Scotland and Sweden) should have a tiered immigration system that flavours countries like US, Canada, NZ, Australia, Japan, Taiwan and Korea. Indians, Kenyans, Filipinos and Latin Americans generally will also contribute positively as migrants and not demand that laws are changed.
The problem with immigration is those that value their "God" above the law of the land and, while it can be said for Christianity and Judaism, the big problem is Islam. And anyone who denies that Islam is political needs their head examined to be frank. That said, it is not quite that simple, Iranians and Iraqis integrated quite well in Sweden in my experience, but Moroccans, Algerians, Libyans, Tunisians, Somalis were scroungers and will contribute nothing. That was my experience working in the Swedish public sector.
Despite what many will try to claim, not all immigration is equal and we should be excluding groups who have caused problems.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 23 Sep 19:58
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 23 Sep 16:11
How sad when patriots like Jim Ratcliffe, Tommy Robinson and Dandy feel the need to leave the country they love. Those of us left behind will just have to make the most of it without them I suppose.
What absolute nonsense btw
COYP
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Wed 23 Sep 20:57
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Wed 23 Sep 19:17
That said, it is not quite that simple, Iranians and Iraqis integrated quite well in Sweden in my experience, but Moroccans, Algerians, Libyans, Tunisians, Somalis were scroungers and will contribute nothing. That was my experience working in the Swedish public sector.
Despite what many will try to claim, not all immigration is equal and we should be excluding groups who have caused problems.
From my time working in Sweden, the difference I saw and heard was that the large immigration of Iranians in the late 70’s and early 80’s were the educated Persians escaping the Ayatollah death squads, not the uneducated feral masses they got recently.
They arrived, integrated, worked, intermarried (some of the half Iranian/ half Swedish girls - wow!) with Swedes…
It was this great experience that Sweden had that lead them to allow so many this time - but not all migrants are the same - a hard lesson that they are learning.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 23 Sep 21:55
Absolutely correct Lux...a properly free Iran would be a great addition to the world!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 23 Sep 23:27
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 23 Sep 12:12
Imagine moaning about immigrants just to become one yourself 😂🤦🏻♂️
Imagine not being able to know the difference between illegal and legal 😂🤦🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 24 Sep 07:37
Quote:
Andrew283, Wed 23 Sept 11:40
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 23 Sept 11:29
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Andrew283, Wed 23 Sept 11:20
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 23 Sept 07:38
I bet they don`t get hounded and vilified like our own claimants.
As soon as my final move abroad is done i`m removing my taxes, they come after me for them, i won`t be back.
And still the septum ring twitchers scream for more, idiots.
Don`t let the door hit you on the way out.
Bye Felicia
I won`t sweetheart.
Bye bye septum ring twitcher.
Look, it`s a nasty immigrant guys. Hope Tommo doesn`t stab your boat
I`ll be arriving legally in business class, does that explain the difference between legal and illegal for you or do you need more?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 24 Sep 08:07
Bit of a waste to pay for business class for the 2 hours it takes from EDI-CPH tbh 😂
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 24 Sep 08:50
[Post Deleted] - Rude or abusive message
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Thu 24 Sep 09:26
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Thu 24 Sep 08:07
Bit of a waste to pay for business class for the 2 hours it takes from EDI-CPH tbh 😂
Quicker through checkin and security, access to lounges, more luggage allowance, better seating, better grub and drink. Even short flights has its perks - not always worth the money tho…
Often used Lux-Ams-Edi, but prices vary wildly.
18th Dec, single - €180, upgrade to business, add €930 😳
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Thu 24 Sep 10:35
[Post Deleted] - Inappropriate Comment
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 24 Sep 11:12
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Thu 24 Sept 08:07
Bit of a waste to pay for business class for the 2 hours it takes from EDI-CPH tbh 😂
Claim it back on tax, ooh the japery.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 24 Sep 13:59
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Thu 24 Sept 09:26
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Thu 24 Sep 08:07
Bit of a waste to pay for business class for the 2 hours it takes from EDI-CPH tbh 😂
Quicker through checkin and security, access to lounges, more luggage allowance, better seating, better grub and drink. Even short flights has its perks - not always worth the money tho…
Often used Lux-Ams-Edi, but prices vary wildly.
18th Dec, single - €180, upgrade to business, add €930 😳
Escape lounge at Edinburgh is dire!😡
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 24 Sep 16:43
Going back to the original post - surely that isn`t per year? That`s 14% of all UC claims. Do migrants make up 14% of our population?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 24 Sep 17:09
Quote:
jake89, Thu 24 Sep 16:43
Going back to the original post - surely that isn`t per year? That`s 14% of all UC claims. Do migrants make up 14% of our population?
Is it claims or individuals counted? I’m pretty sure an individual could make more than one claim 🤷🏻♂️
I don’t know how they came up with the stats and I’ve not checked if they’re true or not
COYP
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Thu 24 Sep 17:30
I believe this refers to universal credit paid to a household with at least one "foreign national". A foreign national would be one of the eligible groups such as indefinite leave to remain, EU settlement scheme etc. I believe the figure includes transfers from legacy benefits
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 24 Sep 17:50
I believe Indiapar is correct, and it won`t be the first or last time either side of the argument exploits data to support their cases.
So all the care workers who then brought their families in, who are now claiming for stuff would, I assume, be covered in this. Some of it would make logical sense, other stuff won`t.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 24 Sep 21:26
So we`re talking about both employed low income people (for example, carers) and their family claims? No wonder it`s high then.
Perhaps the Government should look into how companies are exploiting worker hours to ensure UC top ups make up the wages. They`re effectively taking advantage of the tax payer. I`m not talking little businesses either. Costa, Specsavers, various supermarkets are all at it.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 25 Sep 09:48
Quote:
jake89, Thu 24 Sep 21:26
So we`re talking about both employed low income people (for example, carers) and their family claims? No wonder it`s high then.
Perhaps the Government should look into how companies are exploiting worker hours to ensure UC top ups make up the wages. They`re effectively taking advantage of the tax payer. I`m not talking little businesses either. Costa, Specsavers, various supermarkets are all at it.
The problem isn’t companies exploiting workers. That’s such a myth in 2026.
If we force companies to up wages again we are forcing more external pressure on the market. We’ll increase base costs and decrease the job market.
COYP
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 25 Sep 11:35
Imagine all the money they are saving with self service checkouts, but no drop in the prices?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 25 Sep 14:02
Quote:
NMCmassive, Fri 25 Sept 09:48
Quote:
jake89, Thu 24 Sep 21:26
So we`re talking about both employed low income people (for example, carers) and their family claims? No wonder it`s high then.
Perhaps the Government should look into how companies are exploiting worker hours to ensure UC top ups make up the wages. They`re effectively taking advantage of the tax payer. I`m not talking little businesses either. Costa, Specsavers, various supermarkets are all at it.
The problem isn’t companies exploiting workers. That’s such a myth in 2026.
If we force companies to up wages again we are forcing more external pressure on the market. We’ll increase base costs and decrease the job market.
It`s not simply upping wages, it`s providing jobs with enough hours that a UC claim isn`t needed.
The Tories are proposing a load of changes to benefits, which sound reasonably sensible, but they need to do more about wealthy companies who dodge taxes using loopholes.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 25 Sep 14:27
Is it better to give 1 person 40 hours or 2 people 20 hours?
COYP
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 25 Sep 15:19
Quote:
NMCmassive, Fri 25 Sept 14:27
Is it better to give 1 person 40 hours or 2 people 20 hours?
I don`t think it is necessarily the way to look at it. I think for some roles it is the other way around, folk are more readily working out what works best for them aren`t they?!? And 16 hours plus more UC is more appealing given the additional time that gives them, particularly if you move to 16+16+8 rather than 2x20. I suspect this costs the government more, but keeps the unemployment numbers down.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Fri 25 Sep 16:55
My understanding is that carers on sponsored visas are not eligible to claim UC, neither are their family members. This may change where they may qualify following granting of indefinite leave to remain. For those coming into the country under the "Boris Wave" circa 2022 and with the 5 year rule would be circa 2027. They could be eligible at that time if they are still working, household income is low, or have children.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 25 Sep 21:12
You don’t up the wages and who pays for the food and fuel that is going through the roof for no good reason?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 25 Sep 22:25
Fife Social Work have started sponsored visas again due to the great British public not filling the vacancies!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 25 Sep 22:58
Quote:
ipswichpar, Fri 25 Sep 15:19
Quote:
NMCmassive, Fri 25 Sept 14:27
Is it better to give 1 person 40 hours or 2 people 20 hours?
I don`t think it is necessarily the way to look at it. I think for some roles it is the other way around, folk are more readily working out what works best for them aren`t they?!? And 16 hours plus more UC is more appealing given the additional time that gives them, particularly if you move to 16 16 8 rather than 2x20. I suspect this costs the government more, but keeps the unemployment numbers down.
You’ve basically answered what I was thinking. Each role has different requirements, some roles will be better for someone who works 40 hours and some roles will be better for 2 x 20 hours.
And you’re 100% correct about the unemployment numbers. That’s where zero hours will paper over a lot of cracks although it’s worth noting zero hour contracts will suit some people and some roles.
I don’t actually think that the problem is how much companies are paying, I think the problem is more to do with working regulations but if it’s said out loud people freak out cos that is somehow the correct response.
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 25 Sep 23:02
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Dave_1885, Fri 25 Sep 21:12
You don’t up the wages and who pays for the food and fuel that is going through the roof for no good reason?
That’s a good point Dave.
Catch 22 though, if you up wages you increase the base cost not just of raw materials but logistics and every other related business costs. What was once a good wage is no longer a good wage because a loaf of bread is no longer 50p it’s closer to £1.50
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 25 Sep 23:16
Just think yourself lucky you dont work for Glasgow City council……
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 26 Sep 00:08
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Fri 25 Sept 22:25
Fife Social Work have started sponsored visas again due to the great British public not filling the vacancies!
The roles are bloody hard for low pay. It`s disgraceful that we pay so badly in these vital roles that we rely on people from poorer countries to come and do them. The last time I spoke with people from a carers centre you could tell the goodwill was wearing thin. Many were in the role because they had family or friends there.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 26 Sep 01:27
New social workers earn from £39,000-£45,000 annually in Scotland.
Fife council currently have a post for between £42,00-£46,000 annually.
Basically they are above average earners in Scotland.
COYP
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 26 Sep 01:33
I think Jake is talking about carers, NMC.
They are poorly paid (plus those of us who became parent carers ~ the carers allowance is equally disgraceful).
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 26 Sep 08:28
Yes, carers. They get minimum wage essentially.
Social workers for that wage also aren`t amazingly paid for the stress of that job. It may be above average, but the job doesn`t end when you click off.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 26 Sep 13:10
Aye mis read that there.
And no they don’t get minimum wage essentially. Essentially new carers will get close to minimum wage but once you’re experienced and got further up the SVQ scale, you’ll around £14ph mark. I know carers earning £14.50ph.
I agree there not huge money in caring for individuals. Never has been. AI might change that.
COYP
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 26 Sep 14:16
Jake, not quite minimum wage but not far of it. £12.71 is the UK minimum wage and if you have a look on Indeed there are a good number of homes advertising for carers and all seem to offering £13.45 per hour.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 26 Sep 19:22
You`d be as well working at Aldi. Less stress for similar money, and that`s not saying Aldi is easy.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 26 Sep 22:50
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 26 Sept 13:10
Aye mis read that there.
And no they don’t get minimum wage essentially. Essentially new carers will get close to minimum wage but once you’re experienced and got further up the SVQ scale, you’ll around £14ph mark. I know carers earning £14.50ph.
I agree there not huge money in caring for individuals. Never has been. AI might change that.
I make more than that working in a call centre...carers are shockingly underpaid.
What`s AI going to do to help carer wages?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 27 Sep 00:25
Quote:
Andrew283, Sat 26 Sep 22:50
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 26 Sept 13:10
Aye mis read that there.
And no they don’t get minimum wage essentially. Essentially new carers will get close to minimum wage but once you’re experienced and got further up the SVQ scale, you’ll around £14ph mark. I know carers earning £14.50ph.
I agree there not huge money in caring for individuals. Never has been. AI might change that.
I make more than that working in a call centre...carers are shockingly underpaid.
What`s AI going to do to help carer wages?
Once all the desk jobs are gone, carers will be one of the last careers left.
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 27 Sep 00:37
I wonder how much Mohammed Naim received? He would have been eligible as he was an asylum seeker.
The bodyguard of the leader of Hamas became an asylum seeker.
Stories like that are what makes people skeptics of the process and open the door to conspiracy theories. Some of which will turn out to be true.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sun 27 Sep 20:26
My wife is a Carer and loves the job looking after the elderly making sure they are ok. She goes into look after people with short/long term dementia and makes sure to the best of her ability they take their medication etc.
Now when she has been to visit Betty she has another visit to a long term alcoholic who drinks all night and shits all over his house and gives her abuse…next visit to old John who wants his bath and breakfast…next visit to a down syndrome girl who doesn’t want a shower and her mum can’t control her…final visit to Mohammed who loves his bed bath and wants the sponge to clean his balls more and his family of 8 in the house treat my wife like a piece of ****!
Carers are supposed to look after our respectful elderly who can live in their houses but need assistance getting ready for the day ahead…
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 27 Sep 22:35
Quote:
Hoolie, Sun 27 Sept 20:26
My wife is a Carer and loves the job looking after the elderly making sure they are ok. She goes into look after people with short/long term dementia and makes sure to the best of her ability they take their medication etc.
Now when she has been to visit Betty she has another visit to a long term alcoholic who drinks all night and shits all over his house and gives her abuse…next visit to old John who wants his bath and breakfast…next visit to a down syndrome girl who doesn’t want a shower and her mum can’t control her…final visit to Mohammed who loves his bed bath and wants the sponge to clean his balls more and his family of 8 in the house treat my wife like a piece of ****!
Carers are supposed to look after our respectful elderly who can live in their houses but need assistance getting ready for the day ahead…
Can`t even contain your throbbing racism. Bell end. I work in healthcare and believe me, the elderly are rarely respectful, regardless of name or place of birth
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 28 Sep 14:06
A reminder in the Times today that the tightening of rules on immigration by the Home Secfretary will reduce the Chancellor`s `fiscal leadroom` by around £6.5bn as the majority of immigrants contribute more revenue in taxes than the cost of public services they consume.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Mon 28 Sep 16:26
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 28 Sept 14:06
A reminder in the Times today that the tightening of rules on immigration by the Home Secfretary will reduce the Chancellor`s `fiscal leadroom` by around £6.5bn as the majority of immigrants contribute more revenue in taxes than the cost of public services they consume.
Wee Eck I believe they were quoting an OBR figure. There has been some criticism of the way the data is gathered, as ot covers a 5 year period. So the net influx of 350,000 migrants over a 5 year period produced net tax receipts of £6.5 billion. The overall net contribution (taxes paid over services used) appears to be hotly contested. Additionally it depends on the demographic. Highly skilled workers for example, MAC estimates they make a net contribution over their lifetime of £78k or more. MAC estimates a family or care workers could have a net cost of £109k over their lifetime, and low skill low paid workers up to £164k.
The OBR assessment methodology attracts criticism because the 5 year period is short term as migrants generally contribute positively over that period, but in later years where they have access to NHS, retirement, other benefits etc. it may have a negative impact particularly if they are low skill workers.
It is a very complex calculation as there are many variables to the data gathered and its interpretation. You can`t simply extrapolate 5 years of data over say 50 years.
Interestingly, the UN concluded a number of years ago that to maintain the 1996 ratio of one person at state pension age to 4.1 workers funding their pension would require a UK population of 136 million by 2050. This figure considers migration and the compounding effect of those migrants also retiring and claiming pensions. Clearly that is not feasible nor a sensible way forward. Economists in the modern era believe that the way to maintain living standards (GDP per capita) for the UK population are by raising productivity and the pension age.
Productivity for example can be achieved via technology improvements, AI etc.pension age is obviously 67 at the moment, but it could rise dependent on the performance of the economy.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 28 Sep 16:57
It used to be you could rely on anything published in the Times! Excuse my ignorance, but who or what is MAC?
Of course some immigrants are net beneficiaries of `the system` and some are net contributors. The same can be said of UK natives. When I was working I`m pretty sure I was a net contributor. Now I`m retired I`m still paying tax but making more use of the NHS so may be a net beneficiary. It used to be everyone accepted this and it was seen as a merit of the UK. Now there seems to be a tendency to distinguish between `givers` and `takers`. We`re becoming more like the USA where they think the NHS is `communism`.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Mon 28 Sep 17:41
MAC are the Migration Advisory Committee. There are others such as the Office for Budgetary Responsibility and the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development. I believe these figures can be interpreted in different ways.
On your point on net contributors, I understand for example those from the European Economic Area were net contributors of £4.7 billion during the period 2014/15 according to MAC and those from non EU countries. Oxford Economics calculated this was £2,300 per year more than a UK born adult. This is principally because they arrive ready to work. As a collective non EU were estimated to cost the Uk £9 billion. The caveat is that highly skilled non EU migrants provided a positive financial impact of £28k over their lifetime. The implication of the cost is indicated as family members, refugees and humanitarian arrivals.
According to the Institute for Fiscal Studies, they indicated that during 24/25 almost 3/4 of migration to UK was from non EU countries. The gap between EU and non EU is now closing with the introduction of stricker controls and a points based system, ie skilled worker salary thresholds, higher visa costs etc.
Again its a complex picture.
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Mon 28 Sep 17:59)
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Mon 28 Sep 22:03
Who cares..our taxpayers money is going on all this shitshow and enough is enough!
Why can’t folk realise this? Just imagine a way of life we could have living as a British citizen?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 29 Sep 06:39
Harder Wee Eck, signal that virtue harder, be rough🤣🤣
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 29 Sep 07:45
Oo, I love it when you talk tough, Dandy. Keep flexing those muscles. 💪💪💪
Post Edited (Tue 29 Sep 08:31)
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Tue 29 Sep 22:08
Wee Eck the leftie lol!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 29 Sep 23:52
You love your labels. What exactly does `living as a British citizen` mean?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 30 Sep 08:38
You don`t cut enough dingies or burn down mosques honestly. Very unpatriotic.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Wed 30 Sep 09:43
I am sure wee ecks views come from a good place so I have no problem with it. Indeed I agree with some of thr things that he says.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Wed 30 Sep 21:29
In 6 months time you left supporters will regret everything you have said sbout this country.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 30 Sep 21:58
Those on the right are much smarter. It only took them 47 days to get rid of Truss after putting her in charge.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 1 Oct 06:47
I can`t wait to see all those Ukraine flag cucks sign up to die for the Nose Cola Castro.
Bet they don`t 🤣
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 1 Oct 07:56
Quote:
Hoolie, Wed 30 Sept 21:29
In 6 months time you left supporters will regret everything you have said sbout this country.
Away and attack RNLI staff you greeting faced roaster.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 1 Oct 12:55
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Thu 1 Oct 06:47
I can`t wait to see all those Ukraine flag cucks sign up to die for the Nose Cola Castro.
Bet they don`t 🤣
It`ll put the youth unemployment rate down!🤔
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 1 Oct 16:50
So you can`t lend your support to Ukraine without dying for the country? I take it everyone at the football is stripped and ready to get on the pitch?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 1 Oct 17:19
Quote:
jake89, Thu 1 Oct 16:50
So you can`t lend your support to Ukraine without dying for the country? I take it everyone at the football is stripped and ready to get on the pitch?
So sh***bag then, thought so, wave that flag though, that`ll show em🤣
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 1 Oct 17:37
You`re simply showing solidarity for a country that is being attacked by a much larger and more powerful nation. What`s upsetting you about that? Big fan of Russia?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 1 Oct 18:46
Its ok Jake, when Britain goes to war and calls upon all its Patriots, Dandy will be first in line to sign up.
Which branch will it be? Army, Navy, Air Force? 🤔
Will call for Ukrainian flag cucks, but wont bash the English flag cucks who will refuse to sign up for their country.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 1 Oct 19:59
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 1 Oct 18:46
Its ok Jake, when Britain goes to war and calls upon all its Patriots, Dandy will be first in line to sign up.
Which branch will it be? Army, Navy, Air Force? 🤔
Will call for Ukrainian flag cucks, but wont bash the English flag cucks who will refuse to sign up for their country.
We`d likely be at war with Russia so presumably Dandy would be on the first flight to St Petersburg?
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Thu 1 Oct 21:06
Fight for this country…not now stuff that. But we can rely on all the younger he/she/it or whatever they call themselves to be our heros!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 1 Oct 21:17
You know you can choose to leave if you don`t like this country. You can head over to Eur...ah, balls. We can`t do that anymore thanks to Nigel.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 2 Oct 04:44
Quote:
Hoolie, Thu 1 Oct 21:06
Fight for this country…not now stuff that. But we can rely on all the younger he/she/it or whatever they call themselves to be our heros!
And this is whats brilliant about the dafties - they all claim to be patriots but when the time comes and they are expected to sign up its all “oh no let others fight for me” 😂😂
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 2 Oct 06:58
Fight for a country that values illegal immigrants more than UK citizens, that deems the labrador "far right".
Nah, no chance but then again, i`ve never virtue signalled about Ukraine or it`s corrupt little nose cola castro, so i feel no obligation at all.
You lot don`t like being called out eh🤣
Take in a refugee and they can look after your house and family for you when you`re fighting Russia, Lefties, it`s your chance to shine.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 2 Oct 09:21
Quote:
Hoolie, Thu 1 Oct 21:06
Fight for this country…not now stuff that. But we can rely on all the younger he/she/it or whatever they call themselves to be our heros!
You fecked off to Scandinavia yet you tool?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 2 Oct 09:22
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 2 Oct 06:58
Fight for a country that values illegal immigrants more than UK citizens, that deems the labrador "far right".
Nah, no chance but then again, i`ve never virtue signalled about Ukraine or it`s corrupt little nose cola castro, so i feel no obligation at all.
You lot don`t like being called out eh🤣
Take in a refugee and they can look after your house and family for you when you`re fighting Russia, Lefties, it`s your chance to shine.
Snowflake
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 2 Oct 09:34
We just need to encourage Vlad to get posting on here and offending Dandy so he can ask him to meet him at EEP and say it to his face. That should sort things.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 2 Oct 12:14
Quote:
ipswichpar, Fri 2 Oct 09:34
We just need to encourage Vlad to get posting on here and offending Dandy so he can ask him to meet him at EEP and say it to his face. That should sort things.
Triggered much?
🤣👌
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 2 Oct 12:37
Quite an interesting thread this, mostly from the point of view of observing how each set of posters have become so entrenched in their views, that both sides are unwilling to concede and agree that the other side may be correct about something, and instead resort to flinging a bit personal hate. 20 years ago on an internet forum, the discussion wouldn`t have gone this way, it would have been far more constructive and respectful.
The powers that be must be absolutely delighted when they see stuff like this, you have all let yourself become influenced to the point where you can`t really think for yourself, it`s all just as though you are a bunch of little sheeple following what you are told to think. Classic divide and conquer techniques, still working well on the masses
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 2 Oct 12:38
Quote:
Andrew283, Fri 2 Oct 09:22
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 2 Oct 06:58
Fight for a country that values illegal immigrants more than UK citizens, that deems the labrador "far right".
Nah, no chance but then again, i`ve never virtue signalled about Ukraine or it`s corrupt little nose cola castro, so i feel no obligation at all.
You lot don`t like being called out eh🤣
Take in a refugee and they can look after your house and family for you when you`re fighting Russia, Lefties, it`s your chance to shine.
Snowflake
Try harder?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 2 Oct 12:43
Quote:
Triggered much?
🤣👌
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 2 Oct 12:46
I much prefer it red-star-par when your posts are patronising, contradictory and full of errors. I`m looking forward to getting back to those types of posts soon....
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 2 Oct 14:03
Left wing animals running amok in France, enrichment.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 2 Oct 14:09
Was sorting of nodding along on agreement with you RSP until you I got the sheeple comment. Everybody is always the hero of their own movie. It`s others who are the bamboozled while they are the free thinkers.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 2 Oct 14:19
Red star actually had a good point
On a couple of threads it’s just descending into internet rubbish. Usual stereotypes and mud slinging. Helps no one, adds nothing.
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 2 Oct 14:47
Quote:
NMCmassive, Fri 2 Oct 14:19
Red star actually had a good point
On a couple of threads it’s just descending into internet rubbish. Usual stereotypes and mud slinging. Helps no one, adds nothing.
There`s a lot of assumption. It seems that you cannot state there has been genocide in Gaza without it being pointed out that Islam hates the west. Makes no sense. You can hate the people causing the trouble without hating the entire nation or religion they are.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 2 Oct 15:03
Honestly hilarious seeing the claim that Ukraine and Zelensky are corrupt...there is definitely corruption in Ukraine, but to then simply ignore the fact that Putin took control of Russia by becoming the biggest Oligarch and appointing his KGB pals to prime positions...well, that`s a special kind of ignorance! 😂 Why, with all the natural resources and population that they have, have the Russians failed to muster economic growth anywhere near that of the likes of Poland or Estonia? Prior to 2022, where do you think these revenues were going Dandy?
And, honestly, as someone who spent a lot of time in Denmark while based in Skåne over the Öresund, the Danes will not take you seriously if you spout that Pro-Putin nonsense over there.
And I`ll wish you luck in getting Danish citizenship because they`ll check your digital history quite thoroughly and won`t take kindly to these vired. You`ll also really struggle to meet the speaking and listening segment of the language test - as a Swedish speaker, those are pretty difficult for me, let alone someone who doesn`t speak any Scandinavian language.
Personally, I`ve been quite enjoying reading the stories about the English/Brits getting deported from Sweden because they haven`t filled their post-Brexit paperwork properly. Hopefully we can soon do the same in Scotland and get rid of the English oldies who come up to retire and milk our NHS and care services. Such scroungers pushing up the Scottish welfare bill...
Tiered migration from friendly nations and a points-based system for skilled immigration is the way to go, rUK included!
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 2 Oct 16:40
Quote:
ipswichpar, Fri 2 Oct 12:46
I much prefer it red-star-par when your posts are patronising, contradictory and full of errors. I`m looking forward to getting back to those types of posts soon....
I`ll try and get back to that sort of quality, you just stick to being irrelevant
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 2 Oct 16:55
Quote:
jake89, Fri 2 Oct 14:47
Quote:
NMCmassive, Fri 2 Oct 14:19
Red star actually had a good point
On a couple of threads it’s just descending into internet rubbish. Usual stereotypes and mud slinging. Helps no one, adds nothing.
There`s a lot of assumption. It seems that you cannot state there has been genocide in Gaza without it being pointed out that Islam hates the west. Makes no sense. You can hate the people causing the trouble without hating the entire nation or religion they are.
I think i was right, it’s just mud slinging between made up political sides on the internet.
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 2 Oct 17:05
Does anyone else question what they see online irrelevant of it’s supposed to be “right wing” or “left wing “?
Just because it’s X left wing organisation it doesn’t mean it’s a good thing or from Y right wing influencer?
I don’t like Tommy Robinson but he was right about the grooming gangs and their ongoing abuse.
I don’t like the SNP/ but I agree an energy company being in public ownership would be a good thing.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 2 Oct 17:15
Hurricane Jimmy, mighty big assumption i`m pro Putin because i happen to think Zelensky is a fraud, both of them are wrong uns, let them fight it out between them.
Also, thank you for your concern but i`m already good for Denmark and Lithuania 👍
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 2 Oct 17:45
NMC, no I don`t regard either left or right as being irrelevant. Two opposite things can both be right or wrong at the same time.
Unfortunately, most of the political discourse is that only one thing can be right which is clearly nonsense.
Take immigration....
- Has it helped the country? Yes
- Has it got out of control? Absolutely
- Even when it was giving net benefit, were we letting too many of the wrong sort in? Yes
- Do we have a bunch of folk driving hate? Yes.
- Do we have a bunch of folk defending it at all costs no matter the impact it is having on communities? Yes.
I suspect the early release scheme will end up being similar. And the Tories who messed up the prison estate even more than it was before will be out saying it is all Labour`s fault.
But good luck finding a political party trying to run any reasonable arguments on that one topic. A large element of that will be because they`ll be on the record saying the opposite previously.
Our quality of journalists don`t help. Folk like Kuenssberg will claim they are holding people to account. Generally they are just trying to be a pain in the bottom for being a pain in the bottom `s sake.
I think Burnham`s words about trying to bring a consensus sound promising but are completely reliant on him (a) actually doing it and (b) others trying to do the right thing for the country. I suspect he will start playing politics soon enough.
I think the only things the Tories have said they will support the government on are things that`ll trap them against their own MPs. The Tories are now saying the Triple Lock should stay after (a) their initial cost being completely wrong and (b) many of their MPs previously saying it should be changed. And Reform can`t agree with themselves let alone anybody else.
All of them playing games rather than acting for the best of the country.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 2 Oct 18:19
You can agree with parts of both sides of the debate, and disagree with other parts of the debate. It doesn’t make you a far right hate monger or a far left wokey.
People saying they wouldn’t fight in a war for their country now because they let too many immigrants in, just sums up that the argument of them being the only patriots is daft.
I wouldn’t sign up to the forces because I would never swear an allegiance to the crown - if that makes me unpatriotic then boohoo 🤷🏻♂️
The worst people to debate with are the ones that cant see both sides without prejudice.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 2 Oct 19:34
Dandy, a very convenient side step...do you hold citizenship of Lithuania or Denmark? Do you speak the language?
Also, where do you stand on English migrants pillaging the Scottish welfare system?
And are you REALLY going to try and claim Zelensky is personally corrupt? Would love to see evidence of this rather than conjecture!
Post Edited (Fri 02 Oct 19:36)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 2 Oct 20:12
I wonder how many folk in Ukraine said they wouldn’t fight because it’s a corrupt country that has a Nazi problem before the invasion.
BTW it really was a corrupt country with a Nazi problem before the invasion.
COYP
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 3 Oct 00:05
Ah, let me guess...Bandera and Azov neo Nazis everywhere?
Guessing you`re also aware of the Rusich group and the RIM?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 3 Oct 08:17
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Fri 2 Oct 19:34
Dandy, a very convenient side step...do you hold citizenship of Lithuania or Denmark? Do you speak the language?
Also, where do you stand on English migrants pillaging the Scottish welfare system?
And are you REALLY going to try and claim Zelensky is personally corrupt? Would love to see evidence of this rather than conjecture!
I don`t have to go into the exact details with you, with all due respect, i reiterate , i have gone through the legal channels to live in Denmark and have dual nationality rights, i have the relevant visa/permissions etc for extended stay in Lithuania.
My Danish is pretty good, my Lithuanian is coming along at an ok rate, some of the masculine/feminine nuances can be challenging, i think that`s enough for strangers on the internet?
Also, let me address the "patriot" thing, at no point have i claimed to be patriotic, far from it, i have however voiced concern at reading about rapes, day in day out.
Zelensky is literally an actor, i don`t like him at all, that doesn`t mean i`m at all enamoured with Putin. As for corrupt, well, nothing says war torn like a vogue photo shoot and millions if not billions in the bank.
Our politicians are desperate for war and it`s our children that will pay the price.
I`ve said it before, call me what you like, the labels have been used so liberally that they are devoid of impact, I`m looking after me and mine, what you lot do is up to you.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 3 Oct 10:52
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Sat 3 Oct 00:05
Ah, let me guess...Bandera and Azov neo Nazis everywhere?
Guessing you`re also aware of the Rusich group and the RIM?
It was an open secret it was a corrupt country with a Nazi problem and no of course that doesn’t mean there were nazis everywhere but there were localised Nazi groups including militias like azov.
Thats why Putin used that as his excuse.
Možno nie som z východu, ale už som tam pobudol dosť dlho, aby som o tom kraji čosi vedel. Na internete si nájdeš, čo chceš, ja sa radšej porozprávam s rodinou.
COYP
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 3 Oct 14:44
Dandy - having "dual nationality rights" is very different from being a "dual national", which I am. If you do wish to naturalize in either Denmark or Lithuania then they will look at your anti Ukraine comments with suspicion. It seems that you don`t quite realise the depth with which Police and security forces can actually assess you. Lithuania in particular would likely be highly suspicious of the free pass you seem to give the Russians.
As for politicians being "desperate for war"...who exactly was it that started the conflict in Ukraine? Might it not have been Putin sending the LGMs into Crimea and Donbas without markings back in 2014 in the aftermath of Maidan? Can you really blame the former Iron Curtain countries for being determined to get rid of Putin and the wider Russian threat? At least the Ukrainians have the guts to stand up against corruption, unlike the Russians who flee or act like sheep.
By the way you write, you are not of the age for combat. At 34, I am. And I`m on the reserve list for the Swedish Air Force and will go if called upon. My Grandfather did the same in 1940 when he headed off to Canada to train on Spitfires. At 6 years old, my son in Japan will likely have to be involved in dealing with the CCP threat at some stage. There are mutterings that Japan is considering becoming a Nuclear-armed state...let that sink in.
United Russia and the CCP are far more worthy of your criticism than Zelensky. The issue our politicians are facing now is that they are having to be proactive rather than reactive toward these two threats, which are, likely worse than that posed by the Nazis in the 30s.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 3 Oct 21:08
To be fair, history will show whether or not the threat today is greater than the threat in the 30’s.
Given the technology differences it’s easy to say the threat today is potentially greater but if all that happens is a pretty heavy regional war (irrespective of how much chest pounding the Russians like to do) then that really doesn’t compare to the scale of WW2.
And btw, Zelenskyy successfully ran an anti-corruption campaign which has somehow been forgotten by right-wing online media.
COYP
Post Edited (Sat 03 Oct 21:10)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 3 Oct 21:55
I`m amazed we`re still spending time and money on bullets and bombs when it would make more sense to infiltrate systems. Hack the power stations and turn off the power. Take out the internet and watch people panic. Supply chains all fall on their bottom because requests and updates are failing.
I`m convinced the Russians are already testing their tech in Duloch as there are loads of areas where the mobile signal just drops.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 6 Oct 06:32
Mahmood casually stating that most women on the dinghy trail arrive having been raped, some men too, so they know they`re letting rapists in?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 11 Oct 14:29
7 Somalis jailed for gang raping a 13 yr old girl.
Animals have more morals.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 11 Oct 21:57
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sun 11 Oct 14:29
7 Somalis jailed for gang raping a 13 yr old girl.
Animals have more morals.
Last year?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 12 Oct 11:27
Quote:
jake89, Sun 11 Oct 21:57
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sun 11 Oct 14:29
7 Somalis jailed for gang raping a 13 yr old girl.
Animals have more morals.
Last year?
Does it matter ffs?
You`ll be delighted that there`s been a shooting in a school on France no doubt, because, its the caring left eh.
Between you and TOWK the pander is full on.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 12 Oct 13:16
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Mon 12 Oct 11:27
Quote:
jake89, Sun 11 Oct 21:57
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sun 11 Oct 14:29
7 Somalis jailed for gang raping a 13 yr old girl.
Animals have more morals.
Last year?
Does it matter ffs?
You`ll be delighted that there`s been a shooting in a school on France no doubt, because, its the caring left eh.
Between you and TOWK the pander is full on.
What has a shooting in France (fortunately not fatal) got to do with 7 Somalians being jailed for rape a year ago?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 12 Oct 19:07
Quote:
jake89, Mon 12 Oct 13:16
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Mon 12 Oct 11:27
Quote:
jake89, Sun 11 Oct 21:57
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sun 11 Oct 14:29
7 Somalis jailed for gang raping a 13 yr old girl.
Animals have more morals.
Last year?
Does it matter ffs?
You`ll be delighted that there`s been a shooting in a school on France no doubt, because, its the caring left eh.
Between you and TOWK the pander is full on.
What has a shooting in France (fortunately not fatal) got to do with 7 Somalians being jailed for rape a year ago?
He’s highlighting the prevalence of illegal migration and a rise in violent crimes.
Let’s also be clear btw, it’s not just a rise in two lads having a punch up in the pub type of violence, it’s always the worst type of violence and usually against innocent people.
COYP
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 12 Oct 19:14
Can anyone give me a news article about the shooting in a Marseille school which details the ethnicity and background of the fourteen year old who carried out the crime. School shootings in the West are usually the doings of white males, as we unfortunately discovered in Scotland, but maybe this french incident bucked the trend.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 12 Oct 19:39
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 12 Oct 19:07
Quote:
jake89, Mon 12 Oct 13:16
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Mon 12 Oct 11:27
Quote:
jake89, Sun 11 Oct 21:57
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sun 11 Oct 14:29
7 Somalis jailed for gang raping a 13 yr old girl.
Animals have more morals.
Last year?
Does it matter ffs?
You`ll be delighted that there`s been a shooting in a school on France no doubt, because, its the caring left eh.
Between you and TOWK the pander is full on.
What has a shooting in France (fortunately not fatal) got to do with 7 Somalians being jailed for rape a year ago?
He’s highlighting the prevalence of illegal migration and a rise in violent crimes.
Let’s also be clear btw, it’s not just a rise in two lads having a punch up in the pub type of violence, it’s always the worst type of violence and usually against innocent people.
But why pick a case from a year ago when there are unfortunately far more recent ones? And why then double down on their stupidity by mentioning a shooting in France?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 12 Oct 19:49
Got to admit, my view of immigration, from being in favour of it to help us fill necessary jobs, and to welcome hardworking people from unsafe countries, is beginning to change now. You only have to walk round Dunfermline at this time of night, as I have just done, to see how the demographic has changed recently. Was in Tesco there, in the Tesco mobile shop waiting for ages while a guy that couldn`t speak much English signed up to a phone contract, and the security guard had to stop 3 separate people, who were perhaps Eastern European and some Turkish looking people from walking out with trolleys full of stuff they hadn`t paid for. 2 of them left the trolleys and walked out, the last one just started shouting and losing his sh 1t at the security guard, then the guard just let him walk out with the trolley full. Also recently seen a car with young white guys draw up at the garage at the back of Tesco and a bloke who looked Turkish appeared from nowhere and gave them some drugs in exchange for cash. That`ll be laundered through a barbershop. I used to speak to English people in places in the Highlands and they would say they`ve moved north as Scotland is like England used to be 30 years ago, before going on a wee rant about how they had been taken over, which I dismissed as racism. I think we are now beginning to see a similar shift up here now. It`s not going to bring anything good
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 12 Oct 20:28
Going to be hard to manage as stopping immigration probably requires reducing benefits to get folk back into work to fill those roles we currently rely on immigrants to fill.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 12 Oct 20:49
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ipswichpar, Mon 12 Oct 20:28
Going to be hard to manage as stopping immigration probably requires reducing benefits to get folk back into work to fill those roles we currently rely on immigrants to fill.
Imagine going round to Brians house, who’s been on JSA for 10 years cause he “cant find work” and telling him he’s off to pick fruit and veg for 10 hours a day 4 to 5 days a week for minimum wage……..then when refuses reminding him that he voted for it by voting Reform/Restore 😂 I cant wait till that day comes about as a guy who’s worked full time since I was 17
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 12 Oct 20:57
I honestly believe the majority of migrants are good people. They’re coming here to work, raise families and in doing so add financially and culturally. I’m married to a migrant and I socialise with migrants so I really don’t like saying all migrants are bad. However, just opening the doors to everyone and their auntie just doesn’t work but aside from that, the reason things like the small boats becomes such a big issue is - that’s how the dregs from other societies become our problem.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 13 Oct 06:47
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jake89, Mon 12 Oct 13:16
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Dandy Warhol, Mon 12 Oct 11:27
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jake89, Sun 11 Oct 21:57
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Dandy Warhol, Sun 11 Oct 14:29
7 Somalis jailed for gang raping a 13 yr old girl.
Animals have more morals.
Last year?
Does it matter ffs?
You`ll be delighted that there`s been a shooting in a school on France no doubt, because, its the caring left eh.
Between you and TOWK the pander is full on.
What has a shooting in France (fortunately not fatal) got to do with 7 Somalians being jailed for rape a year ago?
Every day, more of these animals sexually assaulting, every day, alleged men like you making excuses for them
Seven of them, raping and punching a 14 year old.
And you, making excuses for them, sicko.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Tue 13 Oct 06:52)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 13 Oct 16:54
Chin up Jake. You`re not a sicko.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 13 Oct 22:13
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The One Who Knocks, Tue 13 Oct 16:54
Chin up Jake. You`re not a sicko.
I`m wondering where I made excuses for rapists tbh. Maybe in one of Dandy`s imaginary conversations in his head. The last time I mentioned rape I`m pretty sure I highlighted I have a family member who was a victim of rape so I`m sadly well versed on the subject!
As I`ve said many times, I`m not bothered what race, faith or nationality someone is. Yes, I`m sure subconsciously I judge people based on prior experiences but generally I`m only concerned about people breaking laws or being dicks. If you can`t behave yourself then bugger off.
The issue is what you do with people who cannot abide by our rules or customs. A native will typically end up in jail, get community service and/or fined. The same should apply to an immigrant, but then really they should be immediately deported and dealt with in their home nation. But then if we don`t know their home nation or that nation refuses to take them, what do you do?
Life isn`t black and white and there are no simple answers. Parties like Reform and Restore are appealing as they simplify complex matters. Unfortunately, they talk a load of *****.
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