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Topic Originator: GG741
Date: Tue 26 Feb 01:30
Agree with your comments Oz.
As is very usual these days, there is already talk about an appeal against the verdicts, but it is (very) public now. I can't see how even the Vatican could support him any longer.
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Topic Originator: Shakey
Date: Tue 26 Feb 04:17
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 26 Feb 07:03
The most sickening thing for me is how deep it goes and who.
He's high up there so we can assume his child raping bosses knew.
Post Edited (Tue 26 Feb 08:00)
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Tue 26 Feb 11:51
Yep,telling a man he can't marry and that is pleasing to God is particularly evil.The consequences of that doctrine are being played out daily.There will be many more to follow.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 26 Feb 12:20
Rasta, this guy was No.3 in the Catholic Church global hierarchy. He was the Church's Chancellor of the Exchequer in Rome - he ran its finances. He was to all intents and purposes, THE BOSS!!!
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Tue 26 Feb 12:30
The Pope has the same problem.He thinks he's the boss!
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 26 Feb 13:01
Quote:
richie5401, Tue 26 Feb 12:30
The Pope has the same problem.He thinks he's the boss!
Arf. Guid ane!
I dont think it has anything to do with the marriage thing although that is just another vatican control issue.
Paedophiles will find ways to get to their victims. Positions of trust in any organisation with access to vulnerable people will be target carreers for them.
The position did not make the cardinal a paedophile. He was a paedophile who gained an advantageous position.
Any normal priest who needs sex will have a bit on the side somewhere. The nuns were used for this service in bygone days and probably still are.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 26 Feb 13:12
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 26 Feb 12:20
Rasta, this guy was No.3 in the Catholic Church global hierarchy. He was the Church's Chancellor of the Exchequer in Rome - he ran its finances. He was to all intents and purposes, THE BOSS!!!
The Pope is as guilty in all of this.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Tue 26 Feb 13:13
"Any normal priest who needs sex will have his bit on the side somewhere"
Let them marry and this becomes a non issue.I'm sure a small % will deviate still from this but it would act as a natural restraint for most.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 26 Feb 13:39
Marriage won't make any difference to a paedphile. That urge will remain whether they are having legal sex or not. I did a couple of courses on this when I was with Barnardos. Even if you castrate them they will still have an urge and find a way to abuse kids.
I don't know what the answer is.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Tue 26 Feb 13:48
I guess in Pell's case we will never know.The answer.Be vigilante and speak up whenever/wherever we see something amiss.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 26 Feb 14:51
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 26 Feb 13:39
Marriage won't make any difference to a paedphile. That urge will remain whether they are having legal sex or not. I did a couple of courses on this when I was with Barnardos. Even if you castrate them they will still have an urge and find a way to abuse kids.
I don't know what the answer is.
That might be so but I'd like to see the figures between the Catholic church and other churches where ministers can get married and have children.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Pรคckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 26 Feb 15:25
I wish I knew how to put pictures up, clear pointers as to what the Catholic church really is.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 26 Feb 16:33
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 26 Feb 15:25
I wish I knew how to put pictures up, clear pointers as to what the Catholic church really is.
https://youtu.be/GbamZMVifsY
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 26 Feb 18:20
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Tue 26 Feb 14:51
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 26 Feb 13:39
Marriage won't make any difference to a paedphile. That urge will remain whether they are having legal sex or not. I did a couple of courses on this when I was with Barnardos. Even if you castrate them they will still have an urge and find a way to abuse kids.
I don't know what the answer is.
That might be so but I'd like to see the figures between the Catholic church and other churches where ministers can get married and have children.
I read an article last year about instances of paedophilia in churches in the US.
Last year was the first time there were more in Evangelical churches than in Catholic.
Basically my advice to religious people would be not to leave your kids alone with anyone from the church. It's not worth the risk.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 26 Feb 18:40
Maybe going a bit too far but on the other hand, I had a good friend in the church who I would have trusted with my kids. He turned out to be a paedophile. He only got 4 years. Nowhere near enough.
Maybe you shouldn't leave your kids with anyone. Uncles are apparently the biggest threat.
It is a serious global issue wherever folk have authority over kids, not just a church bashing excuse. It obviously stands out more when professed churchy folk are involved.
We cant let paranoia rule but we need to be aware.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 26 Feb 18:48
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 26 Feb 16:33
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 26 Feb 15:25
I wish I knew how to put pictures up, clear pointers as to what the Catholic church really is.
https://youtu.be/GbamZMVifsY
The dude literally speaks from the mouth of a snake in a snake head shaped building and as I've stated before, the Catholic church uses more upside down crosses than your average Norwegian death metal band.
Talk about hidden in plain sight...
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Topic Originator: GG741
Date: Wed 27 Feb 02:12
The sentencing for Pell is currently in progress.
Pell has had one of Australia's finest QCs running his defence, and he has now provided numerous character references to support Pell, including one from a former Australian Prime Minister (Howard) and quite a few from other very prominent people.
It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
Unfortunately one of his victims has died without seeing this play out.
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Topic Originator: GG741
Date: Wed 27 Feb 04:37
Pell was on bail. That has now been revoked and he is remanded in custody, and will be sentenced on March 13.
He was still wearing his priests collar when attending the court today.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 28 Feb 01:13
<<Unfortunately one of his victims has died without seeing this play out.>>
What is not said is that this victim committed suicide.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 13 Mar 01:54
He has today been sentenced to six years in jail, with a non-parole period of three years and eight months. Pell is 77.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 13 Mar 12:00
Quote:
OzPar, Wed 13 Mar 01:54
He has today been sentenced to six years in jail, with a non-parole period of three years and eight months. Pell is 77.
I wouldnt worry about the 6 years. If he believes what he claims to believe, he will be looking forward to an eternity in Hell.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Wed 13 Mar 12:09
What if he repents and asks for forgiveness?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 13 Mar 14:24
Quote:
richie5401, Wed 13 Mar 12:09
What if he repents and asks for forgiveness?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 13 Mar 15:19
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 13 Mar 14:24
Quote:
richie5401, Wed 13 Mar 12:09
What if he repents and asks for forgiveness?
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God isnae daft.
If he believes his own propaganda he will still have a lengthy spell in purgatory.
Thats an RC add on.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Wed 13 Mar 21:17
Mary will see him all right.The treasury of merit is quite full(apparently)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 13 Mar 22:19
Quote:
richie5401, Wed 13 Mar 21:17
Mary will see him all right.The treasury of merit is quite full(apparently)
And by Mary, you mean Isis of course.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Wed 13 Mar 23:12
Exactamundo
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Thu 14 Mar 11:52
Agreed.Religion is no good.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 14 Mar 12:42
I rather like Buddhism. It has no god. It doesn't have Ten Commandments, it just has five (they are known as precepts) and, in the main, they are much easier to follow...
Do not harm or kill living things.
Do not take things unless they are freely given.
Lead a decent life.
Do not speak unkindly or tell lies.
Do not abuse drugs or alcohol.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 14 Mar 12:52
Im evil
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Thu 14 Mar 13:02
Why would you need Buddha for that OZ.Conscience surely would lead you to those conclusions.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 14 Mar 13:41
Thatโs the point Richie. It is not a religion; it is a state of consciousness. I admire Buddhist precepts, though I donโt adhere to its practice. Similarly, I have always been impressed by Quakers that I have met in life. They too have an outlook on life that strikes me as being more in line with modern thinking than conventional Christianity or Islam or Judaism.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Thu 14 Mar 13:54
I think most would consider it a religion.Quakers are in lots of ways fine folks they differ though in one doctrinal sense from biblical christianity in that they believe in an ongoing revelation and that God speaks to certain individuals.
Last time i checked the book was finished a while ago.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 15 Mar 00:21
Aye we all meet on Sundays and plot new ways to inflict suffering on the world.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 15 Mar 00:41
Quote:
PARrot, Fri 15 Mar 00:21
Aye we all meet on Sundays and plot new ways to inflict suffering on the world.
I suspected as much, nice you finally admit it. ๐๐๐๐๐๐
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Fri 15 Mar 12:00
He he.Solid banter.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 17 Mar 00:09
I always knew Parnot was a bit of a b@st3rd haha ;)
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