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 Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: Jbob  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 20:44

Vile views.

I await some Godspeak.

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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 22:18

Might need to expand on that. No idea what you are talking about.

Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: renegade master  
Date:   Tue 16 Apr 23:19

Jbob

Are people not allowed an opinion, or is an opinion that differs to yours a reason to be offended.

Sadly a sad trait of common society.

Where will it stop when the thought and speech process of everyone is the same we fought for freedom and the right to free speech and here we are removing it from each other.

People are always going to have dislike to others they don't require people to be offended and pigeon holed because they may occasionally pass comment on their dislikes!

Turning into a very sad country!
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 09:06

I'm not the world's greatest historian but I'm fairly sure we were on the opposite side to the people that though it was ok to demonise people because of their religion/ colour/political beliefs and sexuality.

I've seen no reason to change that position.
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: shrek par  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 09:17

looks like it's going to cost folau his job. Saracens/rfu have tried to dodge the bullet with the one match ban for Vunipola. At least rugby Australia have got some balls.

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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 10:23

Don't think the Australian RFU have been left with any choice... Remember, this isn't the first time he's posted such views online. He posted something similar last year.
Apparently he's said that he will give up rugby if that is God's plan.
He's arguably one of the best full backs in the game but it seems his talent on the pitch doesn't equate to brains off the pitch.
Vunipola it seems also had a brain fart when he agreed with Folaus stance on the matter but seems to be trying to squirm out of it now by claiming that he doesn't hate anyone. No idea why the English RFU have only banned him for one game but I'd imagine if they start to get a lot of heat about this they will punish him further. He has in the past stated that his faith is his No 1 priority in life ahead of his family and rugby, and that has helped him through injuries.
I think this whole thing will have far reaching consequences in sport... Not just rugby.
Social media can be very dangerous.
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: richie5401  
Date:   Wed 17 Apr 12:44

When he said he was standing by "what the Bible says" it would have helped the conversation if he had quoted the text fully,which gives the good news as well.

"and such were some of you but you are washed and sanctified in the name of Christ and by the spirit of God.
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: richie5401  
Date:   Thu 18 Apr 12:47

Tim Wilson MP defending Folau's right to say what he believes....well well.
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Fri 19 Apr 16:29

He should be allowed to say whatever he wants. As everyone should. Everyone just has to remember that what you say helps form peoples opinion of you though
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 19 Apr 17:37

Aren't these contractual issues? If the players don't think they can comply with the terms of the contracts, they shouldn't sign them.
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: richie5401  
Date:   Sat 20 Apr 15:00

That's just it eck,we don't know what is in his contract.Rugby Australia obviously believe he violated it.

There are federal laws protecting freedom of religion but who knows how that impacts this case legally
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 7 May 12:33

Israel Folau found guilty of breaching Rugby Australia's code of conduct - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/48184011



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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: richie5401  
Date:   Tue 7 May 13:04

Yep,pretty much standard policy nowadays.Man expresses his religious views(oops make that Christian views) and has to be crushed.

Would it have helped his case if he had better articulated 1st Corinthians 6:9-11,perhaps.
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Tue 7 May 13:09

Or, rather than risk offending anyone, could have kept his views to himself. Religion should be a personal thing, there is no real need to ram it down peoples throats
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: richie5401  
Date:   Tue 7 May 13:14

He wasn't offending anyone...if you read the whole passage its a warning to fellow men.What could be more caring than that?
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 7 May 13:22

It's in breach of Rugby Australia's code of conduct... As it says in the link. Simples.
If ye break the rules ye have to pay the price.



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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: richie5401  
Date:   Tue 7 May 13:27

Was there a clause that said he couldn't quote the Bible(albeit ham-fistedly)
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Tue 7 May 13:35

I've no idea but I'd hazard a guess that this falls under the old "bringing the game/sport into disrepute" category.



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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 7 May 13:37

I'm assuming he would feel vilified if people were to attack his religion/identity so I wonder why he feels the need to not return that same respect and attack another group in society?

Maybe he's struggling with his own sexuality and is trying to reaffirm his dogma?

Anyway I'm pleased at the outcome, if you go out of your way to vilify others in society then you can't be too surprised when society vilifies you back at your expense...
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: richie5401  
Date:   Tue 7 May 13:42

That's probably the conclusion they came to widders.
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: richie5401  
Date:   Tue 7 May 13:49

He called out adulterers,thieves,the greedy,swindlers and drunkards as well...i'm pretty sure some of them you find less than palatable.

What he didn't do a good job of was quoting the full remedy.
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Tue 7 May 23:54

Now he's making it personal. What's wrong with us drunkards 😂!!?
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: richie5401  
Date:   Wed 8 May 12:16

oooft..the old morning after....not pretty.
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: Jbob  
Date:   Wed 8 May 18:37

Some of the most bitter words I have heard came from the mouths of "Christians".

Does anyone think folk choose to be gay? Genuine question to the Bible quoters.

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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: richie5401  
Date:   Thu 9 May 12:36

Give an example of some of the bitterness Bob,not sure what you mean.

Folks are born male or female.(With a very small % having genetic abnormalities)
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: Jbob  
Date:   Thu 9 May 19:47

personal experience over many years.

Being male or female doesn't equal sexuality.

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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: richie5401  
Date:   Fri 10 May 12:15

Correct.Being male or female equals choice.
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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: Jbob  
Date:   Fri 10 May 17:55

absolute nonsense

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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Fri 17 May 10:58

Israel Folau sacked by Rugby Australia for social media post - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/48306223



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 Re: Folau/Vunipola
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Thu 6 Jun 08:52

The saga continues....
Israel Folau launches legal action over rugby sacking - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/48538973



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