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 Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 19 May 23:59

..... will be released shortly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52727271

Is seven years detention really a suitable period of time for such a depraved and vicious crime?

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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Wed 20 May 09:30

How can a parole board decide whether a sex offender is no longer a threat? As far as Im concerned you cant rehabilitate that.
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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Wed 20 May 09:33

I hate reading about crimes like that...

Just can't understand how one person can do that to another
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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 20 May 11:59

He'll be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his days - some vigilante(s) will have him on the agenda.
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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Wed 20 May 14:09

Presumably everyone here is of the opinion that prison should be for rehabilitation rather than punishment?

Because the research is pretty clear - countries whose prison system is set up as a way to enact revenge against those who break the law have much MUCH higher rates of crime than countries whose system is focussed on helping folk get better.

Not that I'm saying that this guy is rehabilitated since I, like most people, don't have the whole picture so I'm not privy to the decision making process that the parole board undertook but I honestly don't think that we should be keeping folk in prison longer than necessary in order to feel better about ourselves for having "properly punished" somebody who did something heinous.

Chances are that keeping folk locked up longer than necessary will make them resentful and will ensure that all of the important relationships and influences in their lives are those that they develop in prison, which isn't great for them or for society as a whole.

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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Wed 20 May 15:49

Keeping people in prison has 3 functions, not just 2.
Punishment
Rehabilitation
Protecting the public.

As Wotsit says, we are not privy to the info that the parole board used to make their decision.
I also, like Zod, doubt sex crime perpetrators are able to change their ways. Just a matter of time before he fails. I think once the punishment bit has been served there could be a role for a secure facility affording more rights than prison. Setting them free is risky.



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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Thu 21 May 01:49

Rehabilitated is, by definition, not a danger to the public.

In fact, protection of the public is the key objective of a rehabilition focused prison system.

Countries which practice these principles don't have much MUCH lower crime rates and rates of recidivism by accident - if you don't brutalise folk in jails you are less likely to send broken and traumatised people out into society when they are released.

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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Thu 21 May 08:55

I don't have the stats, but I'd be interested to know what percentage of people released, go on to re-offend?




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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Thu 21 May 09:29

Depends what country you mean.

Finland has a much lower reoffending rate (36%) than the US federal system (60%)

Although the Finnish prison system would never be accepted in the vengeance focussed US system, so they are basically giving up a large amount of security in return for the privilege of teaching folk a right good lesson.

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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 21 May 09:46

Comparing countries is a dubious exercise - so many social factors come into the equation.
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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 21 May 10:25

Indeed. I mean Singapore has a lower reoffending rate than Finland so perhaps the death rate and corporal punishment is the way to go.

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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Thu 21 May 10:31

I agree vee.

But one societal factor that correlates strongly with recidivism is how the society uses its prison system. Countries which seek to symbolically punish always have higher recidivism than those which seek to rehabilitate.

Then you have to consider how those attitudes play into other societal factors such as how society views those who have criminal history when they are in general society: how easy is it for folk to acquire the things that they require to lead a full and productive life free of criminality? Can they get secure housing? Employment? Form social bonds with a wide group who won't judge them?
Be honest about their past?

The justice system and its basic goals all feed into this because they inform social attitudes about criminality and the status of those with a criminal history in society.

The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel the warmth.

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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Thu 21 May 10:54

You trust Singapore's crime figures TOWK?

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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 21 May 11:15

Any reason why I shouldn't?

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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 21 May 12:26

It'd be interesting to see the reoffending rates. There seems to be a regular list of reoffenders in the Press. Mainly addicts stealing. They seem to be in a viscous cycle of crime-jail-release, crime-jail-release. Often these people are based at a notorious complex in the town centre. Is the issue simply that the released prisoner, who has hopefully been through rehab in prison, has been thrown straight back in with the crowd that got them involved in crime in the first place?

Going off on a tangent slightly as realise murder, rape, gbh etc are far worse crimes that stealing perfume from Debenhams.
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 Re: Life sentence in 2013
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Thu 21 May 13:27

It's really tough for folk to build new lives when they have been in prison since part of the punishment is reduced access to housing and employment. Folk are left to rely on the relationships and coping mechanisms they had before and so the cycle repeats.

It doesn't help that folk are systematically released from prison without anything at all including no accomodation or money.

Folk are less likely to engage in risky behaviours (such as drug use and criminality) if they have something to lose

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