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 Train derailment
Topic Originator: dave67  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 12:27

Just been announced there are some serious injuries 😢
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 12:37

collapsed bridge making recovery/access very difficult.

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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 12:44

(Seen images on BBC news) What's all the smoke - or if as you say a bridge has collapsed, might that be dust from shifting bridge debris?

I take it no reporters are allowed to get close before relatives are informed. I could see about ten ambulances all parked, but there's no sign of them taking people away to hospital.
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 12:45

<<<Some witness reports on social media suggested the train had fallen down an embankment after running into a landslip.>>>

source:
(https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/12/reports-of-serious-injuries-after-train-derails-scotland-stoneh)



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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: parforthecourse  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 12:49

Quote:

onandupthepars, Wed 12 Aug 12:44

(Seen images on BBC news) What's all the smoke - or if as you say a bridge has collapsed, might that be dust from shifting bridge debris?

I take it no reporters are allowed to get close before relatives are informed. I could see about ten ambulances all parked, but there's no sign of them taking people away to hospital.


Some news outlets reporting carriage fire. Grim.
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: DAFC23  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 12:51

Awful stuff , reports coming out that engine with four carriages derailed and ended up down an embankment. Serious injuries and at least one fatality :(
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: onandupthepars  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 12:54

I think it must be very bad if no reporters allowed to get close.



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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: PeachtreePar  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 13:14

Even reading about this incident on CNN in US. Looks very serious, I hope not too many fatalities.
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 14:00

Horrible incident to deal with, praying for all involved!🙏🙏🙏
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 16:47

Driver believed dead
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 18:05

Hoping beyond hope that with it being an early train, not many passengers aboard.
Just tragic all the same.

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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 18:27

Thoughts with all involved
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 18:34

Hopefully and with lockdown in Aberdeen there hopefully should be a very small contingent by the time it reaches stonehaven
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 19:48

I believe there were only 12 people on board. 6 passengers and 6 staff. Tragically 3 deaths.
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Wed 12 Aug 20:35

Quote:

desparado, Wed 12 Aug 19:48

I believe there were only 12 people on board. 6 passengers and 6 staff. Tragically 3 deaths.


Yeah considering the time of day and the Aberdeen lockdown situation I didn't think there would be many passengers.
Just as well possibly.
Tragic
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 11:30

a 7am accident that was only notified to emergency services at 09:47 on the concern when billowing smoke was seen must be a huge concern.

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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 12:03

I'm not sure the accident did happen at 7 unless that's been confirmed and I missed it?

From what I read the train had reached another landslide and had to turn back and then unfortunately hit the landslide that took it off the tracks and I don't think that happened within 20 mins of departure.

Could be wrong though!
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: elvis_lives  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 12:08

There have been no reports that I have read to say that the accident was at 7:00.
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 12:20

Not sure what time the accident happened exactly but considering the train driver and the conductor were both killed then that might explain why it was apparently a member of the public that first raised the alarm.
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 12:52

Quote:

Playup_Pompey, Thu 13 Aug 11:30

a 7am accident that was only notified to emergency services at 09:47 on the concern when billowing smoke was seen must be a huge concern.


Local paper reporting accident took place at around 940. Emergency services informed at 945. Not sure these have been verified.

Train appears to have reached stonehaven and continued on. After being stopped due to landslide ahead it took the decision to try and return to Aberdeen when a further landslide caused it to crash.

A 6:38 train from Aberdeen would normally take about 18/20 to reach stonehaven. However the conditions in Aberdeen at the time were atrocious with driving rain, thunder and lightning. So the journey time may have been impacted. Not sure how long it stayed in stonehaven or how long it waited after leaving. It would probably have had to sit a while. Presumably as they then decided to return they would have had to switch engines. Not sure how long this would take
There does seem still to be a large time gap between when the train reached the first landslide and the time the emergency services were informed.

Of course we are not aware of the state of the passengers and crew. They may have not been in any fit state to report the incident so this could be part of the reason for delay.
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: JnrB  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 15:29

The front page on the sun today is abhorrent.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 16:18

I'm not sure I understand the problem with The Sun's front page.
It's a bit tasteless, but it's a paper edited by c***s and read by c***s so I'm not sure what people expect.
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 16:31

Surely your second sentence answers your first sentence 🤣
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 17:04

Can anyone further expand on what the front page was?

There's battle lines being drawn Nobody's right if everybody is wrong.
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: back oh the net  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 17:17

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The One Who Knocks, Thu 13 Aug 17:04

Can anyone further expand on what the front page was?


Picture of the wreckage and the headline “Death Express”

Come on ye pars ⚽️
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 17:49

I noticed it was not on the BBC newspaper front page website ...Must have been removed ...maybe due to complaints ...They really are the scum of all Papers
Apart from the price for some and the Mammary's for others I have never understood why anyone would buy it or read it
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 20:22

Quote:

aaaaaaaaaargh, Thu 13 Aug 16:18

I'm not sure I understand the problem with The Sun's front page.
It's a bit tasteless, but it's a paper edited by c***s and read by c***s so I'm not sure what people expect.


Surely you don't think that headline is acceptable?
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 21:55

No. I should clarify that I don't find it acceptable in any way.
I just don't find it surprising and I don't know what anyone can do about it.
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Thu 13 Aug 21:55

I have great admiration for train drivers awareness based upon what I have previously seen. Around Dunkeld there was a train that wouldn’t have much time to react to a fallen tree that was around a bend. The train had managed to stop within a few feet of the tree. Up till that point I had never really considered the dangers that are posed daily to trains and there drivers. It is a terrible tragedy and my thoughts go to everyone involved.

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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: Mr Mac  
Date:   Fri 14 Aug 06:28

Staff from that rag also reported to have doorstepped the families. Quite a measured response from the railway family which would encourage anyone who doesn't think this behaviour or front page is acceptable to register a complaint via IPSO; clause 4 covers it.

ipso complaints

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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Fri 14 Aug 21:03

An off duty rail worker who survived the crash walked a mile to raise the alarm.....might explain the delay.
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 Re: Train derailment
Topic Originator: Mr Mac  
Date:   Sat 15 Aug 00:31

Very little delay.... RAIB have released initial information;


"At around 09:40 hrs on Wednesday 12 August 2020, all six vehicles of a passenger train derailed after striking a landslip around 1.4 miles (2.25 km) north-east of Carmont, Aberdeenshire."

This would mean a delay of a few minutes, their time line will be based on evidence gathered so far from recorded voice-comms and other sources.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/passenger-train-derailment-near-carmont-aberdeenshire

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