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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Sun 16 May 22:49
The other thread was starting to lose it`s way so continue on here
Let`s try making it till Christmas
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 17 May 07:25
I'm not mocking anything., I'm genuinely interested what you are all getting up to, you know, you all have horrid covid tales, I have none....what's different?
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 17 May 07:51
Your post was extremely badly worded if you were looking for a healthy exchange of experiences.
It sounds like your circle/network have had a horrific time of it due to mental health issues, leading to suicides throughout the pandemic. That is truly, truly awful. Many of us understand the pain of that and you have been disproportionately affected. I think people on here have been sympathetic to that, even if they disagree with your overall viewpoint.
I think all anyone is asking is that you, or anyone, doubtful of the severity of Covid take a step back for a moment and consider, before posting, that there are plenty of people who have lost loved ones due to the virus and their loss is as equally raw and upsetting.
Similarly, lots of us know people who work in the NHS and have been worked to exhaustion throughout this and have seen some awful things due to the virus. It's all very well to say you live your life through your own eyes, but you dont need to go very far or extend your circle too much to see a bit more.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 17 May 11:54
I hear all that, I'm simply wondering if there's anything different in how people are going about things.
I know a lot of people have seen a lot of covid cases near them, I find it interesting that people who have been following the rules and recommendations seem to be experiencing high volumes of cases in friends and family.
I'm just genuinely interested as to what caused this.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 17 May 12:24
Not sure how many are experiencing 'high volumes' among friends and family.
More like just about everyone knowing at least some people who have been affected. My guess is that it's due to the virus being highly transmissible and it being virtually impossible to lock everyone down completely.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 17 May 12:43
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DA-go Par Adonis, Mon 17 May 12:24
Not sure how many are experiencing 'high volumes' among friends and family.
More like just about everyone knowing at least some people who have been affected. My guess is that it's due to the virus being highly transmissible and it being virtually impossible to lock everyone down completely.
It still remains that the highly transmissible virus hasn't really come anywhere near me or people I know, I've literally spoken to one friend and she caught it in London.
I mean I've seen the odd person on Facebook but not in notable numbers and they are people I know but do not see a lot of in real life.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 17 May 12:59
Either that or a bunch of people you know have had it and have been asymptomatic. How many have voluntarily gone for an antibodies test?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 17 May 13:20
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DA-go Par Adonis, Mon 17 May 12:59
Either that or a bunch of people you know have had it and have been asymptomatic. How many have voluntarily gone for an antibodies test?
Quote a few because of work demands.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 18 May 10:27
Freedom looking shaky again...variant variant variant....rinse and repeat, lock the doors again, then again, then again.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Tue 18 May 12:48
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 18 May 10:27
Freedom looking shaky again...variant variant variant....rinse and repeat, lock the doors again, then again, then again.
I don't have an issue with that as long as it is for the right reasons, i.e. Intensive care admissions are on a trajectory that can't be dealt with. But I am confused... Half the country, including the most vulnerable, have been vaccinated, and it looks like the vaccine is effective against the worst effects of the variants. So how come the discourse is heading the way it is? What am I missing here?
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Tue 18 May 13:00
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Tue 18 May 12:48
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 18 May 10:27
Freedom looking shaky again...variant variant variant....rinse and repeat, lock the doors again, then again, then again.
I don't have an issue with that as long as it is for the right reasons, i.e. Intensive care admissions are on a trajectory that can't be dealt with. But I am confused... Half the country, including the most vulnerable, have been vaccinated, and it looks like the vaccine is effective against the worst effects of the variants. So how come the discourse is heading the way it is? What am I missing here?
If the vaccines are working and there's a good uptake, there is absolutely no reason to take a step back.
The government can't hide from that.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 18 May 13:30
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Tue 18 May 12:48
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 18 May 10:27
Freedom looking shaky again...variant variant variant....rinse and repeat, lock the doors again, then again, then again.
I don't have an issue with that as long as it is for the right reasons, i.e. Intensive care admissions are on a trajectory that can't be dealt with. But I am confused... Half the country, including the most vulnerable, have been vaccinated, and it looks like the vaccine is effective against the worst effects of the variants. So how come the discourse is heading the way it is? What am I missing here?
Because some people are refusing the vaccine. This is the concern in areas in the North of England where there was a high number of those in vulnerable groups refusing the vaccine.
Also remember that it's only around 1 in 5 in Scotland who have had a second dose and I'm sure it takes a couple of weeks before it's effective (I may be wrong).
We also have to take into account other countries popular for holidays are far behind us. So we may be of little risk but we could be spreading it around them.
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Tue 18 May 18:05
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Rastapari, Mon 17 May 11:54
I hear all that, I'm simply wondering if there's anything different in how people are going about things.
Due to work I got yeeted to a place which was already rife with it, the cat was absolutely out the bag and while lockdown was then announced, the company I then work for had people in shared accommodation which then created a mini covid paradise.
Ten people in the accommodation, 6 were vaccinated, four caught it including me.
I'm getting my vaccination tomorrow though.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Tue 18 May 18:29
Quote:
jake89, Tue 18 May 13:30
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Milos Drizzle, Tue 18 May 12:48
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Rastapari, Tue 18 May 10:27
Freedom looking shaky again...variant variant variant....rinse and repeat, lock the doors again, then again, then again.
I don't have an issue with that as long as it is for the right reasons, i.e. Intensive care admissions are on a trajectory that can't be dealt with. But I am confused... Half the country, including the most vulnerable, have been vaccinated, and it looks like the vaccine is effective against the worst effects of the variants. So how come the discourse is heading the way it is? What am I missing here?
Because some people are refusing the vaccine. This is the concern in areas in the North of England where there was a high number of those in vulnerable groups refusing the vaccine.
Also remember that it's only around 1 in 5 in Scotland who have had a second dose and I'm sure it takes a couple of weeks before it's effective (I may be wrong).
We also have to take into account other countries popular for holidays are far behind us. So we may be of little risk but we could be spreading it around them.
If there are high numbers of people in vulnerable groups (which is more than half the population, lets face it) refusing the vaccine then we've likely got a looong way to go before we get to any sort of normality :(
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Tue 18 May 18:37
Just watching the Scottish news and they are headlining case numbers, but not a single mention of hospital admissions or deaths. Presumably because it seriously undermines their headline story. Maybe the crystal ball can determine that hospitals are due to be inundated, but if so then surely the news would be trumpeting that fact?
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Tue 18 May 19:10
0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive today in Scotland.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 18 May 19:16
Just the 4 in intensive care as well.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 18 May 19:17
Similarly with the "r" number, when was the last time anyone reported that?
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Tue 18 May 19:19
Of the total number of deaths registered in week 18 (3 May to 9 May) there were 7 where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate. Of deaths involving COVID-19 in the latest week:
86% (6 deaths) were aged 75+, and 14% (1 death) were aged under 65.
Be interested to know whether COVID was the cause of the deaths or if they already had an underlying health condition being of the older generation, there’s no mention of that.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 18 May 20:04
For any fans of Jeffrey Lewis and/or The Ramones I Wanna Be Vaccinated.
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Topic Originator: Parfect68
Date: Tue 18 May 20:36
All the info can be found on travelling tabby website, including hospitalised, no in icu, r number, number vaccinated etc. Interestingly new addition is age range of recent cases. Most recent cases definitely on younger, on the whole, unvaccinated https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Wed 19 May 10:55
The problem I have with this government is that even the medical teams have an alternative to the government SAGE system. Why? Because the government are either blindly ignoring their advice on numbers or are being advised incorrectly. If my advice was not being taken I would walk away, but for some reason the professionals in direct contact with the government must be incompetent or gutless.
Singapore: a country on the Green list has a national lockdown as of last Monday. This was being prepared as many as 2 weeks ago in their infrastructure. Why is it still on the green list?
Addition to this is that my conference call to India this morning was very short with only one attendee. Everyone else has COVID or has a direct relative with COVID. Even the person in the call had COVID.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 19 May 11:31
Quote:
parsmad68, Wed 19 May 10:55
The problem I have with this government is that even the medical teams have an alternative to the government SAGE system. Why? Because the government are either blindly ignoring their advice on numbers or are being advised incorrectly. If my advice was not being taken I would walk away, but for some reason the professionals in direct contact with the government must be incompetent or gutless.
Singapore: a country on the Green list has a national lockdown as of last Monday. This was being prepared as many as 2 weeks ago in their infrastructure. Why is it still on the green list?
Addition to this is that my conference call to India this morning was very short with only one attendee. Everyone else has COVID or has a direct relative with COVID. Even the person in the call had COVID.
Or the professionals involved are bought, let's face it there's corruption all over this.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 19 May 12:50
Out of interest, why would it benefit multiple world leaders to fabricate a story about COVID? Also, how would they ensure they hushed up thousands of clued up experts in this area?
I realise there's various theories about the moon landing, but that was one country and occurred before the internet existed. This would require multiple leaders and their cohorts to keep in line.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 19 May 12:57
[Be interested to know whether COVID was the cause of the deaths or if they already had an underlying health condition being of the older generation, there’s no mention of that.]
I think that`s a straw argument, Berry. By the time we reach our forties, EVERYONE has an underlying condition. That`s a fact.
I was at a conference once, where the CEO of the Lloyd`s of London insurance market said so..., and Lloyd`s would be the most qualified organisation on the planet to know that, given they have been managing risk since the 1700s.
It is just as we get older; we have less resistance to attacks on our body.
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Wed 19 May 13:49
Jake89 that’s a regular question I’ve never seen answered.
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Topic Originator: Pars232
Date: Wed 19 May 14:17
[Be interested to know whether COVID was the cause of the deaths or if they already had an underlying health condition being of the older generation, there’s no mention of that.
I think that`s a straw argument, Berry. By the time we reach our forties, EVERYONE has an underlying condition. That`s a fact.]
Sooo, I have cancer, part of my treatment plan is chemo which lowers my immune system. As things stand the cancer wont kill me, neither will the chemo. However if I contract covid there’s a good chance it might.
Wonder what would appear on my DC?
Everyone will be different, it makes sense to me now that they take this approach.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 19 May 14:23
I am very sorry to hear that, Pars232. I offer you every good wish in your battle with that cancer.
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Topic Originator: Pars232
Date: Wed 19 May 14:35
Cheers Oz. I’ve mentioned it on other threads recently.
I remain optimistic, so all good. Can’t wait for some hair to grow back on my napper. I don’t know how some of you blokes do it 😉
My wish would be that everyone gets this vaccine, to protect me and other vulnerable people out there. But that statements not bait, I get why there’s doubt and if anything this thread has taught me a thing or two about how other people feel about it
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 19 May 14:42
Quote:
jake89, Wed 19 May 12:50
Out of interest, why would it benefit multiple world leaders to fabricate a story about COVID? Also, how would they ensure they hushed up thousands of clued up experts in this area?
I realise there's various theories about the moon landing, but that was one country and occurred before the internet existed. This would require multiple leaders and their cohorts to keep in line.
We'll start with 47 billion to their mates for a spreadsheet.....work ftom there yeah.
Plenty experts against the lockdowns are hushed on a daily basis, how much balance do you see in the news?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 19 May 14:58
What spreadsheet? The PHE one? What would that have to do with a worldwide effort to fake the risks of a disease?
Was the SARS outbreak in the early noughties fake?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 19 May 15:48
Pars232, that sounds encouraging and your positive attitude will help you through it.
We should really address you as Ms. Pars232 now...
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Pars232
Date: Wed 19 May 16:36
Haha, I like it Raymie ☺️ thanks, don’t feel positive every day but I do try
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 19 May 17:21
Another day of zero deaths in Scotland....
All the very best Pars232, wishing you good health.
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Wed 19 May 18:09
Quote:
jake89, Wed 19 May 12:50
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I realise there's various theories about the moon landing, but that was one country and occurred before the internet existed. This would require multiple leaders and their cohorts to keep in line.
This is where the vast majority of conspiracy theories fall on there bottom , take 9/11 for example, the sheer amount of people you'd need to keep quiet would be in the thousands.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 19 May 20:24
All the best Pars323. Obviously best avoided but your attitude will see you good, and you will get to meet some amazing people who will look after you well.
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Topic Originator: Parfect68
Date: Wed 19 May 20:56
Best wishes Pars232. X
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Topic Originator: Pars232
Date: Wed 19 May 21:12
Thanks guys. Appreciate your comments. Back on topic :)
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Wed 19 May 22:39
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 19 May 14:42
Quote:
jake89, Wed 19 May 12:50
Out of interest, why would it benefit multiple world leaders to fabricate a story about COVID? Also, how would they ensure they hushed up thousands of clued up experts in this area?
I realise there's various theories about the moon landing, but that was one country and occurred before the internet existed. This would require multiple leaders and their cohorts to keep in line.
We'll start with 47 billion to their mates for a spreadsheet.....work ftom there yeah.
Plenty experts against the lockdowns are hushed on a daily basis, how much balance do you see in the news?
I often wonder why news appears so one
-sided, but I don't reckon there's anything funny going on, it's just that the MSM are somewhat lazy and don't feel the population can cope with a messy situation being presented - dumbed down, if you will.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 20 May 09:30
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Wed 19 May 22:39
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 19 May 14:42
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jake89, Wed 19 May 12:50
Out of interest, why would it benefit multiple world leaders to fabricate a story about COVID? Also, how would they ensure they hushed up thousands of clued up experts in this area?
I realise there's various theories about the moon landing, but that was one country and occurred before the internet existed. This would require multiple leaders and their cohorts to keep in line.
We'll start with 47 billion to their mates for a spreadsheet.....work ftom there yeah.
Plenty experts against the lockdowns are hushed on a daily basis, how much balance do you see in the news?
I often wonder why news appears so one
-sided, but I don't reckon there's anything funny going on, it's just that the MSM are somewhat lazy and don't feel the population can cope with a messy situation being presented - dumbed down, if you will.
There us literally no balance in the MSM, they are behaving like project fear.
How many reports do we see of people dying within a short time if getting the vaccine?
Not many because they simply do not matter, they were expected.
And now there's a full on assault on those being cautious with the experimental vaccines, "refuseniks" the latest name being banded about.
I wonder how long before they threaten us with camps....I'll say....within 4 years.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 20 May 12:31
I will bet you any sum of money that you wish that there is no threat of camps for vaccine refusal within 4 years. Shall we put £10grand on it and you can pay me on 20th May 2025 👍🏼
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 20 May 13:10
Not aware of anyone using the term "refuseniks" but I suppose it depends on the sites you visit and the people you speak to.
The MSM can spin what they like. The data is available on the NHS Scotland open data platform and is regularly interpreted by the likes of the Travelling Tabby and Public Health research professionals.
I'd say some media go against what the data shows and portray a "we're doomed!" scenario. That's true of everything though. Simply don't read the Daily Mail, Telegraph, Sun etc.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 20 May 15:40
Three days in a row.... 0 deaths in Scotland.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Thu 20 May 17:54
And only 4 in ICU, great news indeed. Hopefully the small spike in cases in Glasgow won't ramp up those numbers - great news in terms of vaccine efficacy if they don't.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 20 May 17:55
Quote:
Berry, Thu 20 May 15:40
Three days in a row.... 0 deaths in Scotland.
That's good news. I heard Japan is experiencing its 4th wave - maybe coincidence but so far only 3% of its population have received their 1st dose of the vaccine.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 20 May 18:01
Not aware of anyone using the term "refuseniks" but I suppose it depends on the sites you visit and the people you speak to.
There ye go jake89 .. Its the Daily Mail mind :-
Vaccine `refuseniks` today revealed why they were still shunning Covid jabs despite living in areas with high levels of the Indian variant, with their reasons ranging from government conspiracy theories to fears of needles and worries about blood clots.
Experts have warned that the virulence of the new strain means unvaccinated people will be particularly at risk, while Tory MPs are urging Boris Johnson not to delay unlocking on June 21 for the sake of people who have been offered a jab and refused.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 20 May 19:01
No surprise it would be in the Daily Mail. Rag of a paper and worrying they have the most popular news site in the UK.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Thu 20 May 19:19
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Thu 20 May 19:34
Although it is technically correct to say that Japan is experiencing it`s fourth wave, I think it is stretching things a bit to call them waves.
The UK had (proportionally) more deaths in one week in January than Japan has had in total since the start of the pandemic.
Japan now has the double problem of low vaccination rates combined with very low levels of natural immunity.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 20 May 20:00
Pupil at North Berwick High tested positive today Indian variant ... 40 + kids sent home ... Lockdown again by July .... will we never learn? Planes non stop with potential cases landing every 27 minutes .... same as the first wave ... No control No system.. No clue.. No protocol.. No checks .... Jings I`m sounding like the Proclaimers :-))
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 20 May 20:03
Said on the news they had people from red list countries queuing in the airport beside those from green list countries.
They'll never learn. It was the same last year. I had family come back from abroad. All socially distanced...until they chucked them on a wee bus to the terminal where they were all packed together. Genius.
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Thu 20 May 20:31
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EEP, Thu 20 May 19:19
Just heard on the radio that Kirkcaldy has see a big increase in the Indian covid🤷🏻♂️
Here we go again! Can you ask for your second jab early or do you have to wait 12 weeks?
Parents were 10 weeks between doses and my appointment is 9 weeks since 1st.
The Indian one was 1st reported couple weeks back to a specific area in kirkcaldy where an Indian shop owner had recently or had family recently return from India.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 20 May 20:42
Quote:
PARS207, Thu 20 May 20:31
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EEP, Thu 20 May 19:19
Just heard on the radio that Kirkcaldy has see a big increase in the Indian covid🤷🏻♂️
Here we go again! Can you ask for your second jab early or do you have to wait 12 weeks?
Parents were 10 weeks between doses and my appointment is 9 weeks since 1st.
The Indian one was 1st reported couple weeks back to a specific area in kirkcaldy where an Indian shop owner had recently or had family recently return from India.
Careful now.......
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 20 May 20:43
Quote:
aaaaaaaaaargh, Thu 20 May 19:34
Although it is technically correct to say that Japan is experiencing it`s fourth wave, I think it is stretching things a bit to call them waves.
The UK had (proportionally) more deaths in one week in January than Japan has had in total since the start of the pandemic.
Japan now has the double problem of low vaccination rates combined with very low levels of natural immunity.
It was a BBC news programme this morning which said Japan was experiencing its 4th wave. They also suggested the Olympic Games are in danger of being cancelled.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 21 May 13:26
110 flights plus into the UK from India since India going on red list....
They're not really trying are they.
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Fri 21 May 16:23
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Rastapari, Fri 21 May 13:26
110 flights plus into the UK from India since India going on red list....
They're not really trying are they.
Nope. It's a disgrace. And that's just after it turned red, which was a few weeks after things started to go wrong there.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Fri 21 May 18:35
Apparently packed full of vitamins. Didn't read enough to know the source of those vitamins. Anyway... So that's the way Metro has gone in the years since I last read it....
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 21 May 18:53
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Fri 21 May 18:35
Apparently packed full of vitamins. Didn't read enough to know the source of those vitamins. Anyway... So that's the way Metro has gone in the years since I last read it....
Metro is the Daily Mail.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 21 May 19:25
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Fri 21 May 16:23
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Rastapari, Fri 21 May 13:26
110 flights plus into the UK from India since India going on red list....
They're not really trying are they.
Nope. It's a disgrace. And that's just after it turned red, which was a few weeks after things started to go wrong there.
According to the BBC the UK now has 171 Billionaires and their wealth has grown by 21.7% during the Pandemic. So anything that keeps it dragging on probably suits them well
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 21 May 19:43
Four days in a row, zero deaths in Scotland tagged under COVID, trust this good news is being shared on all media channels....
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Fri 21 May 19:51
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Berry, Fri 21 May 19:43
Four days in a row, zero deaths in Scotland tagged under COVID, trust this good news is being shared on all media channels....
And still only 4 people in ICU. Really encouraging news. The crux will be in a couple of weeks time, see how the opening up affects things.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 21 May 20:23
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LochgellyAlbert, Fri 21 May 16:24
Well there is an alternative, all natural!🤔😷🤮
https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/01/mum-drinks-sperm-smoothies-fight-off-coronavirus-12639469/
Same girl in the paper 2 days ago - she sounds a keeper
https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/18/naked-attraction-contestant-hospitalised-after-rigorous-sex-with-match-14599578/
She's a one trick pony. That semen smoothie story is peddled at least annually. I've read it before. Allegedly an "influencer"...
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 22 May 08:16
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red-star-par, Fri 21 May 19:25
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EastEndBoy, Fri 21 May 16:23
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Rastapari, Fri 21 May 13:26
110 flights plus into the UK from India since India going on red list....
They're not really trying are they.
Nope. It's a disgrace. And that's just after it turned red, which was a few weeks after things started to go wrong there.
According to the BBC the UK now has 171 Billionaires and their wealth has grown by 21.7% during the Pandemic. So anything that keeps it dragging on probably suits them well
It's always been about the money..
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sat 22 May 11:00
My view is that once the dust settles on this then companies that have made extraordinary profits directly off the back of the pandemic (looking at you big pharma...) should have a sizeable chunk of it clawed back and pumped straight back onto those people and parts of the economy that have suffered the most. Will that happen? Well... What do you think...
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 22 May 11:06
There’s now a ‘Yorkshire Variant’ on Sky News the day after the scientists say that the vaccines are unlikely to cover all variants.
Also out of the mass gatherings like the FA Cup and the Brits, 15 out of 60,000 had COVID.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 22 May 11:19
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Milos Drizzle, Sat 22 May 11:00
My view is that once the dust settles on this then companies that have made extraordinary profits directly off the back of the pandemic (looking at you big pharma...) should have a sizeable chunk of it clawed back and pumped straight back onto those people and parts of the economy that have suffered the most. Will that happen? Well... What do you think...
There is currently a case at the High Court regarding the procurement of PPE, the figures being put about are astounding.
The Judge on the first day said there was no entitlement for the public (taxpayers) to know where and how the money was spent!🤔😡
The case continues next week, Good Law Project represents the public, but with a comment like that you know how the case is heading.
The ex Tory Councillor that "supplied " PPE and managed to buy a mansion plus 2 more houses must be quacking in his boots!
Of course BBC giving full coverage of the case!🤣🤣🤣
The first of 9 cases being challenged in Court.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 22 May 11:23
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LochgellyAlbert, Sat 22 May 11:19
The ex Tory Councillor that "supplied " PPE and managed to buy a mansion plus 2 more houses must be quacking in his boots!
Is that the same one with the house on the lake? Brass neck of him. Last time they spoke to him he told them to duck off. His wife Jemima looks like trouble too.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 22 May 11:55
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Berry, Sat 22 May 11:06
There’s now a ‘Yorkshire Variant’ on Sky News the day after the scientists say that the vaccines are unlikely to cover all variants.
Also out of the mass gatherings like the FA Cup and the Brits, 15 out of 60,000 had COVID.
These scientists are really starting to get on my tits like
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 22 May 12:59
I fully expect the court cases regarding the handing out of government contracts to be swept right under the carpet, everyone will have been bought and paid for.
I have seen quite a few stories recently, rioting in Wales, fire raising in Bothwell, and I wonder if now that the poor are really being squeezed if we will see a backlash from them against the rich. Some people didn't have much before this and now have nothing. Of course, it's most likely that will just be vandalism of the property of the middle and upper classes, rather than the super rich billionaires
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sat 22 May 15:10
"These scientists are really starting to get on my tits like"
I agree (even though I am one of them).
My problem is that everyone (government, scientists, and the general public) has an agenda. It is disingenuous to claim otherwise. Some care more about the economy, others about old people, others about the health services, others about themselves, etc. Everyone prioritises.
Following the science is a stupid expression and I don`t know who first came up with it. Science doesn`t lead you anywhere. It just provides answers to specific questions. If you ask a slightly different question you can get a very different answer.
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Topic Originator: Parfect68
Date: Sat 22 May 16:59
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aaaaaaaaaargh, Sat 22 May 15:10
"These scientists are really starting to get on my tits like"
I agree (even though I am one of them).
My problem is that everyone (government, scientists, and the general public) has an agenda. It is disingenuous to claim otherwise. Some care more about the economy, others about old people, others about the health services, others about themselves, etc. Everyone prioritises.
Following the science is a stupid expression and I don`t know who first came up with it. Science doesn`t lead you anywhere. It just provides answers to specific questions. If you ask a slightly different question you can get a very different answer.
Lol, i agree too... It's trying to find the best route thro all the info and strategies that causes least amount of harm to the greatest no of people. As I've said before I don't envy those who have to make public health and economic decisions
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 22 May 17:01
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Berry, Sat 22 May 11:06
There’s now a ‘Yorkshire Variant’ on Sky News the day after the scientists say that the vaccines are unlikely to cover all variants.
Also out of the mass gatherings like the FA Cup and the Brits, 15 out of 60,000 had COVID.
Are people really falling for this variant crap?
Yorkshire variant 🤣🤣🤣
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sat 22 May 17:12
I think all we can really hope for is that we can stack the cards in our favour with vaccines to the extent that we can all go about our daily lives not locked down, and we have an acceptable death rate, just like we accept a death rate from the likes of the flu. One thing is for certain is that this thing will mutate, but the more widespread it is in the population the more it will mutate, and the greater chance it will be problematic.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 22 May 17:35
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Rastapari, Sat 22 May 17:01
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Berry, Sat 22 May 11:06
There’s now a ‘Yorkshire Variant’ on Sky News the day after the scientists say that the vaccines are unlikely to cover all variants.
Also out of the mass gatherings like the FA Cup and the Brits, 15 out of 60,000 had COVID.
Are people really falling for this variant crap?
Yorkshire variant 🤣🤣🤣
Absolutely not, it is getting a bit OTT now, there will be a Masterton Variant imminent.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 22 May 18:28
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Absolutely not, it is getting a bit OTT now, there will be a Masterton Variant imminent.
Don't worry, it can't get through doors.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 22 May 19:11
There are multiple variants. Why would people be "falling for it"?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 22 May 19:28
There will be hundreds of variants. Fortunately it seems so far that the vaccines are batting them away quite nicely.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 22 May 19:38
Five days in a row...0 deaths.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sat 22 May 20:52
And still just 4 in ICU.
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Sat 22 May 21:00
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Milos Drizzle, Sat 22 May 20:52
And still just 4 in ICU.
And nearly 800 new positive cases in the last 2 days!
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sat 22 May 21:18
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charlie1, Sat 22 May 21:00
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Milos Drizzle, Sat 22 May 20:52
And still just 4 in ICU.
And nearly 800 new positive cases in the last 2 days!
I've said before that the next two weeks or so should tell us how effective the vaccine really is, even though we've still got a long way to go.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 22 May 22:38
800 over two days but most important stat for me is the deaths and ICU and they continue to remain low which is great news.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 22 May 23:23
The real test will be in the next week in Glasgow after a mass gathering of thousands. If ICU and deaths remain low (hopefully zero) then surely time to open up.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 23 May 00:45
Pfizer vaccine 88% effective against the so called Indian variant
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 23 May 07:57
It will be interesting to see which one I get next week. It was AZ last time
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Sun 23 May 10:08
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Raymie the Legend, Sun 23 May 07:57
It will be interesting to see which one I get next week. It was AZ last time
be AZ again as don't think they can mix the 2.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 23 May 10:24
I think you can receive two different but it's by request if the individual is worried about AZ.
Pfizer is only available in one location in Dunfermline whereas AZ is in quite a few. No Moderna in Fife yet.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 23 May 14:46
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jake89, Sun 23 May 10:24
I think you can receive two different but it's by request if the individual is worried about AZ.
Pfizer is only available in one location in Dunfermline whereas AZ is in quite a few. No Moderna in Fife yet.
I had the Pfizer in Duloch and then in Templehall Community Centre in Kirkcaldy, Jake. I think they initially said they would give folk the same vaccine twice in case mixing them provided an adverse reaction. Do you know of anyone who's had two different ones? My wife got the AZ first time and was unwell for a week. She has an appt for her 2nd tomorrow evening and may well be interested in asking for an alternative. I can't see how two vaccines almost 3 months apart, could produce an adverse reaction.
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Sun 23 May 14:53
From the very brief information I've seen about mixing vaccines, there is a trial ongoing just now.
Aside from promising initial results around efficacy, the only other thing I recall seeing is that people are reporting more uncomfortable symptoms following their 2nd dose. Heightened cold and flu type symptoms etc.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 23 May 16:14
Cheers GG. I was told I'd be Pfizer due to age but Fife had run out last week. I'd expect AZ if the first dose was AZ but I'm sure you're allowed to ask for different, but it may involve a trip to a different centre.
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Sun 23 May 17:53
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CAPar, Sun 23 May 14:53
From the very brief information I've seen about mixing vaccines, there is a trial ongoing just now.
Aside from promising initial results around efficacy, the only other thing I recall seeing is that people are reporting more uncomfortable symptoms following their 2nd dose. Heightened cold and flu type symptoms etc.
everyone is different, know plenty people who have had no symptoms after either jabs and some who had similar to 1st.
got my 2nd AZ next weekend at East End.
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Sun 23 May 17:56
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PARS207, Sun 23 May 17:53
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CAPar, Sun 23 May 14:53
From the very brief information I've seen about mixing vaccines, there is a trial ongoing just now.
Aside from promising initial results around efficacy, the only other thing I recall seeing is that people are reporting more uncomfortable symptoms following their 2nd dose. Heightened cold and flu type symptoms etc.
everyone is different, know plenty people who have had no symptoms after either jabs and some who had similar to 1st.
got my 2nd AZ next weekend at East End.
Everyone is different, I had very little symptoms from my first AZ but know quite a number of people who had uncontrollable shivering.
All I'm saying is that in the trial, many more people are reporting heightened 2nd jag symptoms from mixing vaccines than people who got the same jag twice.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 23 May 18:31
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CAPar, Sun 23 May 17:56
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PARS207, Sun 23 May 17:53
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CAPar, Sun 23 May 14:53
From the very brief information I've seen about mixing vaccines, there is a trial ongoing just now.
Aside from promising initial results around efficacy, the only other thing I recall seeing is that people are reporting more uncomfortable symptoms following their 2nd dose. Heightened cold and flu type symptoms etc.
everyone is different, know plenty people who have had no symptoms after either jabs and some who had similar to 1st.
got my 2nd AZ next weekend at East End.
Everyone is different, I had very little symptoms from my first AZ but know quite a number of people who had uncontrollable shivering.
All I'm saying is that in the trial, many more people are reporting heightened 2nd jag symptoms from mixing vaccines than people who got the same jag twice.
Thanks for that CAPar. That kind of muddies the waters a bit.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 23 May 18:33
When I went for my 2nd jag ... first was Pfizer ... I asked Mick my jagger was it still Pfizer and he said yes we would not mix them ... the only case he knew off was from a patients GP who had AZ the first jag... but he had a history of blood clots so they requested Pfizer the 2nd jag ... I lied about his name it was Gordon :)
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Mon 24 May 11:12
NHS Scotland now opening appointments to anyone over 18 to 29 who not had letter or appointment yet.
https://register.vacs.nhs.scot/
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 24 May 12:02
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PARS207, Mon 24 May 11:12
NHS Scotland now opening appointments to anyone over 18 to 29 who not had letter or appointment yet.
https://register.vacs.nhs.scot/
Click here
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 24 May 15:12
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PARS207, Mon 24 May 11:12
NHS Scotland now opening appointments to anyone over 18 to 29 who not had letter or appointment yet.
https://register.vacs.nhs.scot/
My daughter and son in law are in their late 30s and haven't had a letter yet, so not sure how they're inviting much younger adults to apply.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 24 May 15:24
Are they in Fife, GG? Word is the roll out is slower in Fife. I've a mate in East Lothian who has been given an appointment whereas I'm a year or so older and haven't. I saw Mags Hall (Scottish Green party rep and Pars fan) on twitter saying she hasn't had hers.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 24 May 15:27
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jake89, Mon 24 May 15:24
Are they in Fife, GG? Word is the roll out is slower in Fife. I've a mate in East Lothian who has been given an appointment whereas I'm a year or so older and haven't. I saw Mags Hall (Scottish Green party rep and Pars fan) on twitter saying she hasn't had hers.
Yea, they're in Dunfermline. I should have read the link first, Jake. ☹
It clearly states over 30s should wait for their letter. I'm guessing they'll send letters or issue appts to those who "come forward" first, to avoid a lot of no shows.
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Topic Originator: MDCCCLXXXV
Date: Mon 24 May 17:17
Just seen on news, around half the people who were due to get covid jag in mass vaccination centre in Glasgow failed to turn up over the weekend
 East End Park is a symbol of all that is DAFC.
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Mon 24 May 17:25
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GG Riva, Mon 24 May 15:12
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PARS207, Mon 24 May 11:12
NHS Scotland now opening appointments to anyone over 18 to 29 who not had letter or appointment yet.
https://register.vacs.nhs.scot/
My daughter and son in law are in their late 30s and haven't had a letter yet, so not sure how they're inviting much younger adults to apply.
Thats a bit strange as my brother and a lass he was at school with who are in same street as you had their 1st jabs 2 weeks ago tomorrow, both aged 39.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 24 May 17:55
Get them to call up if concerned GG. There's been letters misdelivered elsewhere in the country.
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Mon 24 May 17:56
There were a few 39 year olds when I got mine in Dunfermline last week. That seemed to be the cut off. 38 and under are with the next letter dump by the sounds of it. 39 year olds were getting the Pfizer jag and 40 and over were getting the AZ jag.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 24 May 17:57
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PARS207, Mon 24 May 17:25
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GG Riva, Mon 24 May 15:12
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PARS207, Mon 24 May 11:12
NHS Scotland now opening appointments to anyone over 18 to 29 who not had letter or appointment yet.
https://register.vacs.nhs.scot/
My daughter and son in law are in their late 30s and haven't had a letter yet, so not sure how they're inviting much younger adults to apply.
Thats a bit strange as my brother and a lass he was at school with who are in same street as you had their 1st jabs 2 weeks ago tomorrow, both aged 39.
Argh! You know where I live? I'll be keeping ma heid doon. 😨
I don't think the roll out is strictly logical. I'd imagine they'll be contacted soon.
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Mon 24 May 17:59
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GG Riva, Mon 24 May 17:57
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PARS207, Mon 24 May 17:25
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GG Riva, Mon 24 May 15:12
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PARS207, Mon 24 May 11:12
NHS Scotland now opening appointments to anyone over 18 to 29 who not had letter or appointment yet.
https://register.vacs.nhs.scot/
My daughter and son in law are in their late 30s and haven't had a letter yet, so not sure how they're inviting much younger adults to apply.
Thats a bit strange as my brother and a lass he was at school with who are in same street as you had their 1st jabs 2 weeks ago tomorrow, both aged 39.
Argh! You know where I live? I'll be keeping ma heid doon. 😨
I don't think the roll out is strictly logical. I'd imagine they'll be contacted soon.
lol am in the same estate shall we say!
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Mon 24 May 18:03
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MDCCCLXXXV, Mon 24 May 17:17
Just seen on news, around half the people who were due to get covid jag in mass vaccination centre in Glasgow failed to turn up over the weekend
thats just crazy !!! and they wonder why the % of the population vaccinated in glasgow is the lowest in the country!!
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Mon 24 May 19:13
Still nae mare deaths in Scotland. 5 in ICU
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 25 May 21:07
I see Bill Shakespeare, the first man to have the jab has died aged 81. It's says it's unrelated. Poor chap
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 26 May 10:37
The old boy was only the second person in the world to get the Pfizer vaccine (other than trial subjects). He received it while he was a patient in his local hospitals frailty ward.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 27 May 20:43
Lisa Shaw, BBC Newcastle Presenter, 44yo, died after suffering severe headaches just a week after having the AstraZenica vaccine and then fell seriously ill having developed blood clots.
Had she not had the vaccine, odds are she’d be chilling with her family right now.
Taking the vaccine, a personal choice, let’s not criticise each other on the decision one takes as it is different for people at various stages of their life we should not be ashamed or bullied into taking the vaccine or opting out.
My parents think I’m selfish for not taking it but personally I couldn’t care less as I know for me it’s the right decision.
On that somber note...I’m now going to get stuck right back into the Grant manager thread!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 27 May 20:45
Berry, out of interest, how old are you? Can give a range if you don't want to be specific.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 27 May 20:51
34 Jake!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 27 May 22:40
You'd receive Pfizer rather than AstraZeneca. Too youthful to receive it. 🙂
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Thu 27 May 23:05
Awful news about Lisa Shaw, and may very well have been the vaccine. But we shouldn't fixate on individual cases, we need to look at the bigger picture, the overall statistics and risks, which is still very much in favour of the vaccine. That said, it's still worrying, especially as someone in their 40's who had the vaccine last week and whose partner in their 40's had the vaccine this week...
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 28 May 09:42
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Milos Drizzle, Thu 27 May 23:05
Awful news about Lisa Shaw, and may very well have been the vaccine. But we shouldn't fixate on individual cases, we need to look at the bigger picture, the overall statistics and risks, which is still very much in favour of the vaccine. That said, it's still worrying, especially as someone in their 40's who had the vaccine last week and whose partner in their 40's had the vaccine this week...
Again this underlying tone of "to be expected", not to her or her family it wasn't.
Or Miss Rasta's colleague, early 40's.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Fri 28 May 12:50
Thing is, it is to be expected, currently around 1 person per million vaccinated. Or one in 100,000 of those in their 40's (eek). In the same way deaths from the virus are to be expected, albeit at far higher rates. And each death - whether by vaccine, virus, or indeed the affects of social isolation, is awful and catastrophic for family and friends.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 28 May 14:58
Reminds me of an old work health and safety guy. Most people looked at "no incidents in X days" as being good. For him each day something NOT happening meant it was getting closer to something happening.
Sadly the same with vaccinations. It IS expected that a small number will have adverse reactions and an even smaller number may die. Putting this into context, more would die if not vaccinated. This is why they're saying not to use AZ on under 40s. The risk of clots is marginally more but they are less at risk of death from COVID so the benefit of vaccination is lower.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 28 May 14:59
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Milos Drizzle, Fri 28 May 12:50
Thing is, it is to be expected, currently around 1 person per million vaccinated. Or one in 100,000 of those in their 40's (eek). In the same way deaths from the virus are to be expected, albeit at far higher rates. And each death - whether by vaccine, virus, or indeed the affects of social isolation, is awful and catastrophic for family and friends.
Rates of the virus killing people in their 40's with no underlying conditions is pretty damn low, although the telebox fear mongering would have you believe otherwise.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 28 May 15:10
Approximately 1 in 10 had no underlying health conditions. I'd imagine the majority of these were in the higher age range as risk of death generally reduces with age. That doesn't mean a 15 year old in perfect health can't die from COVID, just that they're far less likely than a 90 year old with bronchitis.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 28 May 16:32
Noticed Henry Slade has openly come out advising he isn’t taking it, not been paying that much attention on others but any other sports stars done similar?
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 28 May 16:37
What’s the thoughts on the California COVID vaccine lottery and the gift cards they’re shelling out?
Surely that’s wrong is it not?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 28 May 16:56
Think there is a few states in America that have used this initiative as an incentive to get the jag. Seems to be working as well as uptake has trended quite significantly upwards in those states. Less people will die of covid, less people will suffer the effects of long covid, the state will save money and one lucky person will scoop a life changing sum of cash. Can`t see many downsides.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Fri 28 May 18:14
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Milos Drizzle, Fri 28 May 12:50
Thing is, it is to be expected, currently around 1 person per million vaccinated. Or one in 100,000 of those in their 40's (eek). In the same way deaths from the virus are to be expected, albeit at far higher rates. And each death - whether by vaccine, virus, or indeed the affects of social isolation, is awful and catastrophic for family and friends.
Rates of the virus killing people in their 40's with no underlying conditions is pretty damn low, although the telebox fear mongering would have you believe otherwise.
That's a fair point, though presumably the risk is still many times greater with the virus, even for fit and healthy individuals (maybe someone can chip in with the stats?). But there's more to it, as the vaccine significantly lessens the risk of passing the virus on. So by risking the vaccine you're helping to keep safer the folks that can't (or won't) take the vaccine, and lessening prevalence of the virus in society, lessening opportunity for mutations. And that leads to a society free of lockdowns, and all the negative effects of that.
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Post Edited (Fri 28 May 18:25)
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 28 May 18:32
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The One Who Knocks, Fri 28 May 16:56
Think there is a few states in America that have used this initiative as an incentive to get the jag. Seems to be working as well as uptake has trended quite significantly upwards in those states. Less people will die of covid, less people will suffer the effects of long covid, the state will save money and one lucky person will scoop a life changing sum of cash. Can`t see many downsides.
That’s one perspective, the other is it’s a shrewd move to coerce people into getting the vaccine when they should be confidently be able to promote the vaccine simply on its benefits.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 28 May 18:59
Oh no doubt it is a shrewd move, especially as it seems to be an effective one. Governments use the carrot or the stick all the time to help public health programs. Even parents use bribes when their children won`t do something that the parent knows is for their kids own benefit.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Fri 28 May 21:42
Quote:
Berry, Fri 28 May 18:32
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 28 May 16:56
Think there is a few states in America that have used this initiative as an incentive to get the jag. Seems to be working as well as uptake has trended quite significantly upwards in those states. Less people will die of covid, less people will suffer the effects of long covid, the state will save money and one lucky person will scoop a life changing sum of cash. Can`t see many downsides.
That’s one perspective, the other is it’s a shrewd move to coerce people into getting the vaccine when they should be confidently be able to promote the vaccine simply on its benefits.
They're trying to promote the vaccine simply on its benefits, of which there are many. Most people on this thread are too. But that cleary doesn't work for some people, does it?
...ken?
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 28 May 21:51
So how many are taking it for the benefits against the chance of winning a jackpot....
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 28 May 22:18
Quote:
Berry, Fri 28 May 21:51
So how many are taking it for the benefits against the chance of winning a jackpot....
Next they will just be paying folk
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 29 May 23:46
And with each passing day and outlandish advert campaign I remain comfortable with my stance.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sun 30 May 09:23
I was told a story by a Vaccine admininister that a firefighter in the town had caught the virus but has lost his sight since, which doctors have put down to the virus.
Seems to be some studies in France and the US that links retina disease and ultimately sight loss to the virus
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 30 May 09:38
That's a shame. Hopefully a rare case.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 31 May 06:00
BBC reporting that ministers are considering making vaccination compulsory for NHS and care home workers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57299470
While I understand the logic behind that thinking, I completely disagree with it. Taking away people`s personal choice is a slippery slope to go down and an infringement of civil rights in a democracy.
A few months back, the Italian Government had been threatening to suspend NHS staff who refused the vaccine, but I don`t think anything came of it.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Mon 31 May 07:31
Yes read that too agree with you GG Riva, I think they’ll eventually try and mandate on everyone as well in the long run if the take up isn’t as high as they want it.
It is fundamentally wrong removing ones rights. Particularly for the NHS, here is pennies of a pay increase and we’re also making it compulsory you take this new experimental vaccine that’s just come on the shelf.
Think there would be significant push back if they were to try and do that.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 31 May 07:45
Seems daft. The uptake in the NHS is unsurprisingly high. It's each to their own but the biggest issue is vaccine hesitancy in minority ethnic groups.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 31 May 08:33
It is already mandatory for surgeons to take the hepatitis B vaccine.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 31 May 10:13
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 31 May 08:33
It is already mandatory for surgeons to take the hepatitis B vaccine.
I'm sure it's mandatory for anyone working directly with patients. My wife had to evidence she'd had it plus a few others.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 31 May 11:05
“Taking away people`s personal choice is a slippery slope to go down and an infringement of civil rights in a democracy. “
What about vulnerable patients personal choice not to be exposed to potential disease carriers at a time when they are most exposed?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 31 May 14:39
Quote:
P, Mon 31 May 11:05
“Taking away people`s personal choice is a slippery slope to go down and an infringement of civil rights in a democracy. “
What about vulnerable patients personal choice not to be exposed to potential disease carriers at a time when they are most exposed?
They shouldn't be exposed, a civilised country would look after them instead of continually looking for someone to blame.
And is that what real people are being reduced to....disease carriers?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 31 May 15:35
I don't think the data suggests having had the vaccine stops you spreading it. My understanding is you can still be a carrier.
Haven't the most vulnerable already been prioritised for immunisation?
Either way, there's always going to be risk of passing on infection when visiting a relative in hospital. That's why there's been hand sanitiser all around hospitals even before COVID. The issue then remains now - idiots who won't use it or go into hospitals when unwell themselves.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 31 May 15:59
I suspect a bleak reality is dawning that we may already have lost this battle. It has always been said that the only way out of this is a vaccine,, and now that we have several effective vaccines, we have the means to beat it.
However, it is becoming clear that the initial support for the vaccine is waning and waning quite dramatically. In all likelihood, few, if any, countries will achieve the 75-80% uptake required to eradicate the virus eventually. And anyway, if their neighbours are slow on the uptake, then the global spread will just continue. Indefinitely.
Covid-19 will then move from being a pandemic to being endemic, a significant shift, as it will mean it is a permanent feature of our lives. The virus will spread amongst the unvaccinated, and as new variants arrive, as they already are doing, there is no guarantee that agewill be a defence and those of us who are vaccinated will be forced to take annual booster shots to maintain protection.
And here is the nub of this matter...
Big Pharma has significant skin in this game. The pharmaceutical giants stand to make phenomenal fortunes. They dont want Covid to go away; they want it to hang around and cash in big. Prices for the vaccines will explode and behind the scenes they are doing everything in their power to make sure that happens.
This article is by Umair Haque, a writer who I find to be essential reading these days. He draws out the realities of what is going on and frankly, it should make your eyes pop... especially if you are a skeptic.
https://eand.co/this-is-why-big-pharma-doesnt-want-covid-to-end-e3a44280015f
This is a race against the clock. Do we get vaccinated or do we let Big Pharma send us all into penury?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 31 May 16:00
Quote:
P, Mon 31 May 11:05
“Taking away people`s personal choice is a slippery slope to go down and an infringement of civil rights in a democracy. “
What about vulnerable patients personal choice not to be exposed to potential disease carriers at a time when they are most exposed?
That's a good point, P. Are NHS and home care staff not tested regularly to ensure they're not carrying the virus, asymptomatically, whether they've been vaccinated or not? If not, they should be.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 31 May 18:23
Ozpar are you suggesting those big pharmaceuticals aren't just trying to benevolently save us all?
They have such caring reputations too🤔
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 31 May 19:52
Oz makes some excellent, but depressing points
Because of the way most people are in the western world, this will indeed become endemic
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Mon 31 May 20:21
OzPar - I don`t think it is a question of winning or losing any battles. The virus is there, and it will always be there. There was never any question of eradicating it. In over two centuries of vaccines we have only eradicated one virus (smallpox) and that was a relatively easy target.
If you want to know what could happen in the future it might be a good idea to go back 130 years to the last time this (probably) happened. A pandemic killed at least a million people (equivalent to 5 million people in 2021), most of the people were older, and the symptoms were different from influenza.
It is looking more and more likely that this pandemic was due to another coronavirus (OC43). This virus is still with us today, although the original virus has been replaced by other variants that have been around since the 1950s. It is probably still responsible for deaths in older people, but at a relatively low rate since most adults will have some degree of protection from prior infection. If you (like me) have lost friends or members or your family to bronchopneumonia prior to 2020 it is very possible that a coronavirus was responsible.
The future of this virus (vaccines or no vaccines) will probably be the same. For Europe and the Americas it is just a matter of time. Vaccination and infections rates are both high enough to push the virus into the background. For many Asian countries, and Australia and New Zealand, it is a different story. Their clear success in suppressing the virus last year means that they now have a difficult choice to make. They can make vaccination compulsory, open their borders and `take the hit`, or keep heavy testing and quarantine processes in place for many months (or even years).
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 31 May 23:28
Your points are well made, aaaaaaaaaargh. The future of the virus may well already be determined. And behind the closed doors of those in power, there may be an acceptance that time and infection rates will dictate the outcome, and Covid-19 may eventually merge into the background as an accepted health risk in modern society.
But at what cost? Do we sit back and accept an annual bill in the trillions from the pharmaceutical giants?
You are correct in observing that there is a clear difference in where Europe and America are in respect to the virus, to where Asia for the most part and Australasia as a whole currently lie.
As we have discussed in the past, New Zealand, Australia and my state in particular, Victoria, managed to literally eradicate Covid-19 through the effective application of well-managed and well adhered to lockdown, tracking and tracing measures and strong border controls. It was a huge success achieved largely by a population that showed extraordinary discipline in challenging conditions.
But, was it the Dutch boy`s finger in the dike? Probably. For here we are sitting at home experiencing our fourth lockdown in 18 months as Victoria endures an outbreak of the Indian variant which came in through a neighbouring state.
The week-long lockdown is scheduled to end at midnight on Thursday, but there is every indication that it will be extended.
So what do we do? Do we accept a stop-start existence in perpetuity? Or do we stoically stand bolt upright, arms behind our back, and allow the enemy a free punch to the face? In other words, reopen our doors and face an uncontrolled onslaught of Covid?
You wouldn`t want to be us right now...
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 1 Jun 06:22
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jake89, Mon 31 May 15:35
I don't think the data suggests having had the vaccine stops you spreading it. My understanding is you can still be a carrier.
Haven't the most vulnerable already been prioritised for immunisation?.
Quite the contrary, the vaccine massively reduces the spread of Covid - plus some vulnerable will never be vaccinated for medical reasons
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-23/covid-one-vaccine-dose-can-reduce-spread-of-coronavirus-by-65-and-why-this-is-massively-important
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 1 Jun 07:54
Thanks, P, I stand corrected 🙂
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 1 Jun 08:42
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jake89, Tue 01 Jun 07:54
Thanks, P, I stand corrected 🙂
I think they are learning more with the data all the time so it’s hard to keep up with the pace at times. Hopefully keep getting positive data points and ease us out of this.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 1 Jun 08:48
Quote:
OzPar, Mon 31 May 23:28
You are correct in observing that there is a clear difference in where Europe and America are in respect to the virus, to where Asia for the most part and Australasia as a whole currently lie.
As we have discussed in the past, New Zealand, Australia and my state in particular, Victoria, managed to literally eradicate Covid-19 through the effective application of well-managed and well adhered to lockdown, tracking and tracing measures and strong border controls. It was a huge success achieved largely by a population that showed extraordinary discipline in challenging conditions.
But, was it the Dutch boy`s finger in the dike? Probably. For here we are sitting at home experiencing our fourth lockdown in 18 months as Victoria endures an outbreak of the Indian variant which came in through a neighbouring state.
The week-long lockdown is scheduled to end at midnight on Thursday, but there is every indication that it will be extended.
So what do we do? Do we accept a stop-start existence in perpetuity? Or do we stoically stand bolt upright, arms behind our back, and allow the enemy a free punch to the face? In other words, reopen our doors and face an uncontrolled onslaught of Covid?
You wouldn`t want to be us right now...
I’ve been increasingly curious about how the countries that have best managed the virus will be able to reintegrate with the rest of the world. I was reading vaccine take up is very low in these countries - understandably so as there is less perceived threat to make it imperative. So the virus remains but how do countries open borders again without it taking hold as it would be tragic that having managed Covid effectively it just kicks the can down the road until it finds its way in. There must be a negative economic impact from keeping borders closed so must be their next big worry
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 1 Jun 09:03
You're all coming from the point of view government's don't want the control and nice new laws they gave themselves and pharma companies aren't in this for profit, neither body has any will for you to have your lives back to normal....not without conditions.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 1 Jun 11:19
"In all likelihood, few, if any, countries will achieve the 75-80% uptake required to eradicate the virus eventually."
Looks like the UK will be over 75%. Over 70% have had the first jag and we`re still on those in their 30s.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 1 Jun 11:28
I'd imagine most developed nations will have high uptake.
The issues for most Brits wanting back to normality us that the countries they typically visit are doing poorly in terms of vaccine uptake.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 1 Jun 12:53
Wonder what happened to India, that was headlined on a daily basis, has the whole country died off?
Or maybe it was just a distraction from the s*it that was going on here!🤔💵💰💵💰
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 1 Jun 13:02
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Tue 1 Jun 12:53
Wonder what happened to India, that was headlined on a daily basis, has the whole country died off?
Or maybe it was just a distraction from the s*it that was going on here!🤔💵💰💵💰
Done ut's job and people were starting to draw attention to the 120 flights a week coming in from India....
It's the Bradford variant this week, it'll be Leeds variant next week....you know...as long as folks keep gumming up that utter garbage and staying brave on their couch, not giving in etc etc.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 1 Jun 13:19
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Tue 1 Jun 12:53
Wonder what happened to India, that was headlined on a daily basis, has the whole country died off?
Or maybe it was just a distraction from the s*it that was going on here!🤔💵💰💵💰
They appear to have it under a bit better control. But there are still around 25k people being recorded as dying a day. Down from a high of 29k a day.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 1 Jun 15:05
Last week the interesting point of view from the doctors was that there have no cases of regular flu in the last year and a half. What doctors are saying is that this is not normal and that when people do start to interact the flu vaccination program may have missed a generation of sequencing and we could have a flu outbreak. So we are in the 💩 either way 😩
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Tue 1 Jun 15:50
had 2nd AZ jag at the weekend there, no side effects at all this time, the mrs just felt a bit yucky for a day or two but nothing major,
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 1 Jun 16:19
This year's flu campaign will be bigger. It's usually younguns and oldies being offered it but this year high school age kids and younger adults also being offered it.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 1 Jun 16:50
I see Good Morning Britain is urging people to "unfriend" unvaccinated friends no longer have anything to do with them.
Anyone on here that weak?
What a clown show.
In other news Police Scotland looking to procure victim identification centres, looks like by September in case of a "mass fatality event".
Eyes glued to The Simpsons.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Tue 1 Jun 17:16
Police Scotland, Councils & NHS boards are legally required to have emergency plans in place & reviewed yearly. This has been the case for many years!!!
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Tue 1 Jun 17:22
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Rastapari, Tue 01 Jun 16:50
I see Good Morning Britain is urging people to "unfriend" unvaccinated friends no longer have anything to do with them.
Anyone on here that weak?
What a clown show.
In other news Police Scotland looking to procure victim identification centres, looks like by September in case of a "mass fatality event".
Eyes glued to The Simpsons.
Wife told me about this, the show put on a poll? Did they really urge people to do that?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 1 Jun 18:13
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charlie1, Tue 1 Jun 17:16
Police Scotland, Councils & NHS boards are legally required to have emergency plans in place & reviewed yearly. This has been the case for many years!!!
I know min, was just having a laugh, my old man used to work with the Police...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 1 Jun 19:37
Quote:
charlie1, Tue 1 Jun 17:16
Police Scotland, Councils & NHS boards are legally required to have emergency plans in place & reviewed yearly. This has been the case for many years!!!
In the same way we've had track and trace for years and immunisation programmes for years. For whatever reason, people seem fixated on the incredibly public virus being the one that's a cover for bad people doing bad things. 🤦♂️
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Tue 1 Jun 22:34
If it was left,to some people, whooping cough, smallpox,and tuberculosis, would still be killing people. Get a grip,you anti covid,idiots. Half,of us would, not have been born,if vaccinations,had not been found.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Tue 1 Jun 22:41
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 1 Jun 23:25
`If it was left,to some people, whooping cough, smallpox,and tuberculosis, would still be killing people. Get a grip,you anti covid,idiots. Half,of us would, not have been born,if vaccinations,had not been found.`
I`m sure you meant anti-vaxxer idiots.
My mother was a bit of an idiot. She was offered an anti-morning sickness drug when she was pregnant with me but despite encouragement decided against it. I`m glad she was an idiot otherwise I might be typing this with more difficulty. The drug was called a different name then but later became known as Thalidomide.
sammer
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 1 Jun 23:58
I doubt your mother was an idiot Sammer. Her instincts were correct. After you were born did she have you receive any vaccines that were offered to you throughout your childhood?
Post Edited (Wed 02 Jun 00:51)
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 2 Jun 01:19
Morning sickness drugs can`t be compared to vaccines obviously, as you suggested. I did receive in infancy the same vaccines as everyone else in the UK and am here as evidence of their effectiveness. We got some kind of booster when we started secondary school that left a big lump on our arm, and the girls got a measles vaccine (rubella?) thrown in for good measure. I am not an anti-vaxxer by any means. If I thought I needed it I would cut off my right arm, to speak like Mr. Kurtz.
Covid has been around in various forms since at least the 1950s, probably earlier. The Covid19 strain is obviously a lot more transmissible and potentially lethal to those who are vulnerable. Since I have never had `flu I can be selfish and say it won`t likely happen to me, even though my age statistically places me in the at risk category.
I understand I have a duty beyond myself and that obviously incudes my daughters and my grandchildren never mind the wider community. I visited the UK last week which required me to spend £400 on tests which told me what I knew before I took them: that I was not ill. The Moscow test charged around £40 for a swab of throat and nose. The UK ones cost around £100 for the same cotton bud in throat and nose; at least in Moscow we got two buds! I got the same for free at a Moscow airport when I returned since I assume they were nervous about the `Indian variant.` Earlier in my trip at Turnhouse I saw a woman refused her flight because her test was `only` an NHS one. Private tests are required which I will leave to Rastapari to denounce. So much for protecting the NHS: it means hiving off lucrative tests that must cost around pennies, the better to enrich pals of Johnson. The gangster class has moved into medicine, but they are wearing hospital gowns.
So no, I won`t be taking a covid vaccine I don`t need, same as it never crossed my mind to take a winter `flu vaccine. I have no idea how many elderly people died as a result of my sang froid attitude over the years but I doubt it is any more than those who will die as a result of my not being vaccinated against covid. Presumably about zero. If I feel ill I will stay away from humanity until taking a test to confirm the truth. Till then I will continue to speak to my children and hug my grandchildren. The term `asymptomatic` I will file alongside `potential terrorist threat` and `subversive.` Maybe `non complaint` is the latest term.
Mask wearing in Moscow is now around 50% in shops and the metro. A bit of a shock after leaving the UK. I have no idea how well or badly the Russian per head death toll is compared to the EU. My guess would be that it is much the same. Lockdowns and vaccination are part of the solution, no more.
sammer
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 2 Jun 07:30
Problem is that most people aren't as sensible as you, sammer. If I had a pound for every time there was some total prat coughing and spluttering on the train/bus to work then I'd be living in a hillside mansion. If included the people who have come into work declaring to be "fine" only to spread their cold or whatever to everyone then I'd have two mansions. Don't even start me on the idiot who gave us all the sickness and diarrhea bug by coming in ill.
We can't even get your average ASDA shopper to santisise their hands before shopping!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 2 Jun 08:13
Quote:
twin par, Tue 1 Jun 22:34
If it was left,to some people, whooping cough, smallpox,and tuberculosis, would still be killing people. Get a grip,you anti covid,idiots. Half,of us would, not have been born,if vaccinations,had not been found.
They are still killing people on some poor countries...idiot.
Just you stick to taking experiments...idiot.
See how that works?
All they had to do was tell you that you were brave, an NHS saving hero, laughable if it wasn't so sad.
Anti covid🤣🤣🤣
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Wed 02 Jun 08:47)
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 2 Jun 08:22
I’m happy to confirm I’m totally anti-covid. Sooner we get rid of it and back to normal life the better.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 2 Jun 08:24
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jake89, Wed 02 Jun 07:30
Problem is that most people aren't as sensible as you, sammer. If I had a pound for every time there was some total prat coughing and spluttering on the train/bus to work then I'd be living in a hillside mansion. If included the people who have come into work declaring to be "fine" only to spread their cold or whatever to everyone then I'd have two mansions. Don't even start me on the idiot who gave us all the sickness and diarrhea bug by coming in ill.
We can't even get your average ASDA shopper to santisise their hands before shopping!
To be fair, one of the big positives that will come out of this is a significant increase in hygiene standards, hand sanitisation wasn’t a regular occurrence but it now it’s part of your daily life really and now we’re all into the groove can see that continuing which is good news obviously.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 2 Jun 09:24
Quote:
twin par, Tue 1 Jun 22:34
If it was left,to some people, whooping cough, smallpox,and tuberculosis, would still be killing people. Get a grip,you anti covid,idiots. Half,of us would, not have been born,if vaccinations,had not been found.
Two weeks to flatten the curve and a year later we're vaccinating kids that don't need it with a vaccine in test period until at least 2023 and you're calling people idiots.
I've A list of names for you, I hope one day you'll get to hear them.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Wed 02 Jun 09:24)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 2 Jun 09:34
😂 Twin Pars rant has really riled you up Rasta. One edited reply just wasn`t enough!
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 2 Jun 09:45
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Rastapari, Wed 02 Jun 09:24
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twin par, Tue 1 Jun 22:34
If it was left,to some people, whooping cough, smallpox,and tuberculosis, would still be killing people. Get a grip,you anti covid,idiots. Half,of us would, not have been born,if vaccinations,had not been found.
Two weeks to flatten the curve and a year later we're vaccinating kids that don't need it with a vaccine in test period until at least 2023 and you're calling people idiots.
I've A list of names for you, I hope one day you'll get to hear them.
Byram Bridle recently come out with significant reservations over vaccinating children.
Post Edited (Wed 02 Jun 10:28)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 2 Jun 09:49
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Berry, Wed 2 Jun 09:45
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Rastapari, Wed 02 Jun 09:24
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twin par, Tue 1 Jun 22:34
If it was left,to some people, whooping cough, smallpox,and tuberculosis, would still be killing people. Get a grip,you anti covid,idiots. Half,of us would, not have been born,if vaccinations,had not been found.
Two weeks to flatten the curve and a year later we're vaccinating kids that don't need it with a vaccine in test period until at least 2023 and you're calling people idiots.
I've A list of names for you, I hope one day you'll get to hear them.
Bryam Bridle recently come out with significant reservations over vaccinating children.
It's still happening though....
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 2 Jun 09:50
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The One Who Knocks, Tue 1 Jun 23:58
I doubt your mother was an idiot Sammer. Her instincts were correct. After you were born did she have you receive any vaccines that were offered to you throughout your childhood?
Just you stick to the experiment.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 2 Jun 09:53
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Rastapari, Wed 2 Jun 09:24
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twin par, Tue 1 Jun 22:34
If it was left,to some people, whooping cough, smallpox,and tuberculosis, would still be killing people. Get a grip,you anti covid,idiots. Half,of us would, not have been born,if vaccinations,had not been found.
Two weeks to flatten the curve and a year later we're vaccinating kids that don't need it with a vaccine in test period until at least 2023 and you're calling people idiots.
I've A list of names for you, I hope one day you'll get to hear them.
Lol. You alright Hun?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 2 Jun 10:42
Here is what Byram Bridle has to say about vaccinating children. Apparently he is a Canadian scientist and I have to say I think what he says makes sense.
He also believes that those adults not getting the vaccine are ill advised. The professor said;
"“If the risk associated with the treatment is less than the risk associated with the disease, of course you apply the treatment.”
https://torontosun.com/news/national/not-enough-data-on-kids-and-covid-vaccines-canadian-expert-cautions
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 2 Jun 10:59
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ipswichpar, Wed 2 Jun 09:53
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Rastapari, Wed 2 Jun 09:24
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twin par, Tue 1 Jun 22:34
If it was left,to some people, whooping cough, smallpox,and tuberculosis, would still be killing people. Get a grip,you anti covid,idiots. Half,of us would, not have been born,if vaccinations,had not been found.
Two weeks to flatten the curve and a year later we're vaccinating kids that don't need it with a vaccine in test period until at least 2023 and you're calling people idiots.
I've A list of names for you, I hope one day you'll get to hear them.
Lol. You alright Hun?
I'll be fine thank you, you're the one that's in the experiment, you're the one that can't know you'll be ok.
Hey I hope you are....not to worry though, if not you'll be able to take legal action.
Oh.....wait.
It's amazing how arrogant you all are and how easy it is to appease your egos, so brave, so virtuous.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 2 Jun 11:14
Arrogant? We aren`t the ones that think that being outwardly healthy and `trusting our immune system` is necessarily enough.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 2 Jun 12:05
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The One Who Knocks, Wed 2 Jun 11:14
Arrogant? We aren`t the ones that think that being outwardly healthy and `trusting our immune system` is necessarily enough.
Yeah that part's cowardly, you bought the vaccine sales pitch so you kinda have to go through with it, virtuous and brave...hey maybe you can go to your front step and give yourself a clap?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 2 Jun 12:17
I have absolutely no idea what that means😂
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 2 Jun 12:20
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The One Who Knocks, Wed 2 Jun 12:17
I have absolutely no idea what that means😂
You do really though, that's just your tired shtick.
Not to worry, I'm sure most in the experiment will be fine, thoughts and prayers to the tens of thousands who haven't been.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 2 Jun 12:29
You`re not getting the jag even though you know you should but alas you have bought the anti vax sales pitch so now you kinda have to go through with it. See how that line works?
Post Edited (Wed 02 Jun 12:30)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 2 Jun 12:56
He's too naive to realise if this is an experiment we're ALL taking part
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 2 Jun 13:20
You're right about hygiene, Berry. It wasn't that long ago that washing your hands after a wee was considered an optional activity!
So lots of other winners here - hand gel makers, soap makers, the toilet guys, soap dispenser providers etc. Not all about PPE.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Wed 2 Jun 16:48
Asda yesterday: first hand sanitiser almost out.
Try second one. It’s low but try to pump the hand gel harder and get a little out.
This time I push the pump very hard. Big squirt out all over my jeans. Looks like I have peed myself.
Wife asks why I didn’t go to Asdas……..
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Wed 2 Jun 19:06
Dearie me,someone is upset,again ! Truth though! What I will say is,if you wish me to be called,worst, names in the future, I don't give a toss,I stand by my comments.I will not buckle, under cheap abuse.
Post Edited (Wed 02 Jun 21:20)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 3 Jun 01:52
Parsmad68, that happened to me too here at my local supermarket.
It is a very bad look and it doesn`t seem to evaporate anywhere near as quickly on your jeans as it does on your hands...
:)
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 3 Jun 10:23
Speaking to a mate down south this morning for first time in weeks. She’s 29 fit as a fiddle and her hobby is running marathons and tough mudder type obstacle events. She had been reticent about the vaccine too and felt under pressure to take it but came down to decide that she would.
Unfortunately while waiting it turns out she has caught long Covid and now struggles to breathe while walking and her fitness has totally faded away along with all of her training and work that she put in getting to that level of fitness.
Seems a couple star jumps and a Capri sun every day does not guarantee total immunity - who would have thunk it 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Thu 3 Jun 13:43
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P, Thu 3 Jun 10:23
Seems a couple star jumps and a Capri sun every day does not guarantee total immunity - who would have thunk it 🤷🏻♂️
Proper belly laughed at this 😂
Hope your friend gets better P.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 3 Jun 15:20
This is a point I've been making - it is not black and white.
The vaccine doesn't guarantee survival from COVID. It INCREASES your chance of survival.
Being fit and healthy doesn't guarantee survival from COVID. It INCREASES your chance of survival.
Doing both will significantly increase your chances but that's not to say a healthy person who has been vaccinated won't still collapse and die from COVID.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 3 Jun 22:06
The usual mocking..
So...about those holidays you were promised...
Go on...say I didn't call it.
Portugal anyone?
🤣
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 3 Jun 22:51
I've got a free upgrade to the Falkland Islands.....who is laughing now?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 4 Jun 00:32
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ipswichpar, Thu 3 Jun 22:51
I've got a free upgrade to the Falkland Islands.....who is laughing now?
I've been there twice. The road between MPA and Port Stanley is like driving on marbles.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 4 Jun 05:20
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ipswichpar, Thu 03 Jun 22:51
I've got a free upgrade to the Falkland Islands.....who is laughing now?
Is it not wintertime in the Southern Hemisphere?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 4 Jun 09:58
And now we have the "Delta" variant....that's not rain running down your backs....
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 4 Jun 10:11
The delta variant is just variant that was called the Indian variant. The WHO have decided to stop calling them after the regions where they first identified and rather by Greek letters.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Fri 4 Jun 10:21
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Rastapari, Fri 04 Jun 09:58
And now we have the "Delta" variant....that's not rain running down your backs....
Find it really strange that you don’t post your vitriol on your Facebook page & many of your “friends” have been vaccinated!
Facebook are not tolerating propaganda about the pandemic / vaccines & you’re probably savvy enough to realise your views could adversely affect your business!
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 4 Jun 10:54
"And now we have the "Delta" variant....that`s not rain running down your backs...."
To be fair, the Tories or whichever government have not just invented the concept of virus mutation. It is kinda what viruses do.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 4 Jun 12:27
Every virus has variants. There's no single flu or cold virus. I've mentioned it before that your flu vaccine changes each year based on what health protection teams identify to be the strains of concern for that time.
The reason for changing the names is simply to make life easier and also to stop scape-goating areas. The place names used previously were simply where it was first discovered, not where it originated. They were also informal names as the formal names are sequential so easy to get confused.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 4 Jun 16:52
There’s the Nepal variant now.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 4 Jun 17:10
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Berry, Fri 4 Jun 16:52
There’s the Nepal variant now.
Are you sure?
Yesterday after it appeared in the Daily Mail the World Health Organisation released a statement that there was not such a variety.
After Greg Shapps said Portugal was going to be moved from green list because of it, Public Health England stated there is no Variant of Concern originating in Nepal.
I think this is nothing more than the Tories being utterly clueless and believing a story from the Daily Mail.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 4 Jun 18:27
The Nepal variant is essentially the Delta variant, previously referred to as the Indian variant.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 4 Jun 19:00
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jake89, Fri 4 Jun 18:27
The Nepal variant is essentially the Delta variant, previously referred to as the Indian variant.
So not a new variant then.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 4 Jun 19:11
Technically it is a new variant as I understand it. But the nuances are so miniscule it is something for the boffins.
Saw a stat earlier that out of the 80 odd folk who died during a recent test period after having tested positive for covid in the last 28 days, only 3 had had both their covid jabs. Good news on that side of the debate at least.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 4 Jun 20:20
It's a variant of a variant is how I understand it.
Good news that the vaccine seems to offer good protection but very bad news.for the unvaccinated. Still low risk but not as low as previous variants.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 4 Jun 20:29
Worth once again reminding ourselves what the learned Byram Bridle had to say;
"“If the risk associated with the treatment is less than the risk associated with the disease, of course you apply the treatment"
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 4 Jun 21:02
What are the risks associated with the treatment though, that’s the problem no one really knows as there’s no understanding of the long term effects but I’m not going into all that again.
The Nepal variant I only took from Sky News as it’s one of the reasons why they changed the travel status of Portugal.
As far as I can see it’s too early to tell how significant this new variant is...or if its any different to any of the others and if it’s covered by the vaccine.
I’m truly bored of it all now though to be honest and the lockdown, fed up discussing and defending my position on the matter, not necessarily just on here but the judgement from others outside, it’s causing division which I don’t like whether intentional or not.
When we get back to normal, would fans here welcome me in a stadium if I’m unvaccinated? Would DAFC let me in? Would folk at work go on a night out with me if I’m not vaccinated? You already start to feel like you’re a walking disease and you don’t have it just because you haven’t been vaccinated and again I still think that’s the wrong reason for me to justify taking it, to alleviate those fears.
I’m not against taking it, I’m against jumping in and taking it, there’s reservations and I want them satisfied before i go for it, don’t think that’s unreasonable. Taking it so I can go abroad, to me is just wrong justification for it and that is the main reason why many of the people I know are taking it, not actually over the concern of the virus itself.
All these new variants coming out, does the vaccines cover it or not, we need to double check, we’re just approving the use of the vaccine to younger kids (not even starting on that) and yes AZ played a factor as well, for me, it’s all too early.
On that basis think my part in this thread has come to an end.
Thankfully the Euros is on shortly and the odds of me getting a season ticket this year has now significantly increased given it’s likely I’ll be able to go and some proper normality is welcome.
What I’ve truly learnt from this whole pandemic is much more of an appreciation over the concerns of people’s mental health and those that already battle these challenges pre-COVID, I’m more worried about my mental health than COVID, never had any issues or concerns ever before but even I over the last couple of weeks noticed slight changes in my mindset at times and it is rather scary, so can only imagine how difficult it is for those who have been facing those challenges prior to this and how they’re coping now.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 4 Jun 22:24
Cracking post berry and I share/shared many of your concerns .. Me and Mrs BPP were adamant that we were not going for the jags ... then we reasoned that maybe better to have them and suffer some unknown consequences than catch the full virus at our vulnerable age ... This is never going to go away ... Also not convinced that the jag is going to help our future protection against all the variants ... Do what you think is right for you
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Pars232
Date: Fri 4 Jun 22:55
I had my first and second vaccine at EEP. As you guys know I’m going through cancer treatment so my OH and daughter have already had their first vac too as unpaid carers.
Both have received a text today with 2nd vac details. My OH had his first at EEP but is now being asked to travel to Glenrothes. My daughter went to East Church but the 2nd is in Oakley. The appointment times are 20 mins apart making it all the more tricky.
Have any of you guys who chose to take the vac experienced this and was it easy to try to amend the appointment location/time? We’ve tried to do it online but it’s a pretty poor experience.
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Fri 4 Jun 23:10
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Pars232, Fri 4 Jun 22:55
I had my first and second vaccine at EEP. As you guys know I’m going through cancer treatment so my OH and daughter have already had their first vac too as unpaid carers.
Both have received a text today with 2nd vac details. My OH had his first at EEP but is now being asked to travel to Glenrothes. My daughter went to East Church but the 2nd is in Oakley. The appointment times are 20 mins apart making it all the more tricky.
Have any of you guys who chose to take the vac experienced this and was it easy to try to amend the appointment location/time? We’ve tried to do it online but it’s a pretty poor experience.
Don't think EEP is being used as a venue now
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Topic Originator: Pars232
Date: Fri 4 Jun 23:15
Oh really? Only had my 2nd vac this week at EEP
But there must be options in Dunf?
We’ll call tmrw and see if they can help, the options online were limited and eventually disappeared. Now I don’t know where we stand (although online they said that the COVID helpline would only see what we can) 🤷🏼♀️
Post Edited (Fri 04 Jun 23:20)
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Fri 4 Jun 23:51
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charlie1, Fri 4 Jun 23:10
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Pars232, Fri 4 Jun 22:55
I had my first and second vaccine at EEP. As you guys know I’m going through cancer treatment so my OH and daughter have already had their first vac too as unpaid carers.
Both have received a text today with 2nd vac details. My OH had his first at EEP but is now being asked to travel to Glenrothes. My daughter went to East Church but the 2nd is in Oakley. The appointment times are 20 mins apart making it all the more tricky.
Have any of you guys who chose to take the vac experienced this and was it easy to try to amend the appointment location/time? We’ve tried to do it online but it’s a pretty poor experience.
Don't think EEP is being used as a venue now
Was last weekend and also thru the week as I was looking to change my 2nd appointment and was various times and days this last week
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 5 Jun 08:29
Fifers can rebook online as NHS Fife is on the electronic system. There's a link on your letter with a username. You go in and sign up and it'll take you into the system where it'll show your appointment and allow you to see where you can rebook to. All depends where there are spaces.
If you've not received your second dose letter yet you might see the appointment in there too as it'll appear there before the letter comes.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 5 Jun 08:34
Re Berry:
“When we get back to normal, would fans here welcome me in a stadium if I’m unvaccinated? Would DAFC let me in? Would folk at work go on a night out with me if I’m not vaccinated? You already start to feel like you’re a walking disease and you don’t have it just because you haven’t been vaccinated and again I still think that’s the wrong reason for me to justify taking it, to alleviate those fears.”
Reasoned post mate and I believe the choice of whether to take the vaccine or not is yours. You’ve taken an individually based risk and decided you’d rather not take the vaccine just now.
However, while you are afforded that choice, others (individuals and society) are also permitted to make choices.
I’m assuming you accept that in refusing the vaccination, you increase the likelihood of you catching/passing it on and keeping it prevalent in our wider society?
Given many who attend EEP or work beside you are either vulnerable themselves or have vulnerable people at home, you have to accept that they may not welcome you back with open arms unvaccinated - I suppose that would simply be them taking the same styled risk assessment as you have done?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 5 Jun 08:58
Are you ready for your "new" freedoms to be rescinded before they are really here?
Another carrot and stick coming, don't say I didn't tell you it would be like this.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 5 Jun 08:59
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charlie1, Fri 4 Jun 10:21
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Rastapari, Fri 04 Jun 09:58
And now we have the "Delta" variant....that's not rain running down your backs....
Find it really strange that you don’t post your vitriol on your Facebook page & many of your “friends” have been vaccinated!
Facebook are not tolerating propaganda about the pandemic / vaccines & you’re probably savvy enough to realise your views could adversely affect your business!
Vitriol?
You need a dictionary...
And no...most of my friends have not, stalk better.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Sat 5 Jun 09:12
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Rastapari, Sat 5 Jun 08:58
Are you ready for your "new" freedoms to be rescinded before they are really here?
Another carrot and stick coming, don't say I didn't tell you it would be like this.
Here we go again with snippy soundbites and told you so's from the enlightened one.
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Sat 5 Jun 09:19
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Rastapari, Sat 5 Jun 08:59
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charlie1, Fri 4 Jun 10:21
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Rastapari, Fri 04 Jun 09:58
And now we have the "Delta" variant....that's not rain running down your backs....
Find it really strange that you don’t post your vitriol on your Facebook page & many of your “friends” have been vaccinated!
Facebook are not tolerating propaganda about the pandemic / vaccines & you’re probably savvy enough to realise your views could adversely affect your business!
Vitriol?
You need a dictionary...
And no...most of my friends have not, stalk better.
Vitriol - bitter criticism /malice!
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 5 Jun 09:32
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Post Edited (Sat 05 Jun 09:34)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 5 Jun 09:49
I'd be interested in hearing the alternative route to normality without vaccination.
Assuming there is something wrong with the vaccine (there isn't) and we all decide not to get vaccinated, how do we then open up things like football stadiums? Do we just do it and accept the risks?
Should we do the same with all vaccinations? Accept the risk of HPV, meningitis, TB etc?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 5 Jun 18:50
Spain welcomes fully vaccinated travellers from June 7th!
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sun 6 Jun 12:36
Expensive consequences for Jon Rahm of Covid, 6 strokes ahead after 54 holes (so a pretty insurmountable lead) but tested positive during the round so forced to withdraw.
The positive test very likely cost Rahm the nearly $1.7 million first place prize 😱
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 6 Jun 12:50
Imagine the poor buggers out there that a bet on him to win.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 7 Jun 00:46
On the 6th June, 77 years ago, my father and his generation - many not yet out of their teens - were attacking the beaches and towns of Normandy to put an end to a tyranny that had engulfed Western Europe.
Unfortunately, many of those young men did not live to see the sunset that day.
In all this heightened excitement about the virus and the vaccines, it is worth drawing back a bit and putting things in some perspective; remembering that those who have come before us have had to face serious challenges too.
For what it`s worth, let`s see if Rasta is true to his principles in 12 months time when it finally dawns on him that effectively he has become a social pariah and what "freedoms" he has are severely restricted owing to his decision not to vaccinate.
Like it or not, that is where we are heading.
Want to work in some jobs? Vaccine. Want your children to enjoy social activities with their peers? Vaccine. Want to holiday abroad? Vaccine...
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 7 Jun 07:11
With regards to The NHS and potential enforced vaccines, could there be a case where an unvaccinated member of staff spreads the virus to patients and subsequently one of those patients, who was previously not infected, dies.
Is there claims potentially by the patients family against the NHS.
I am asking the question without knowing the legal situation and I understand there are many unknown situations in the text here, but is this a real potential problem for the NHS legally?
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 7 Jun 07:35
I can't imagine it is going to possible to determine with certainty who passed the virus on, what with a number of folk being asymptomatic and the vaccine being less than 100% effective.
When I picked mine up in hospital we were not allowed any visitors but they allowed a couple of folk to have one in. I certainly had my view who was most likely the cause but that was because of negligence rather than the individual actually giving it to me themselves.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Mon 7 Jun 20:46
‘Want to work in some jobs? Vaccine. Want your children to enjoy social activities with their peers? Vaccine. Want to holiday abroad? Vaccine...’
Aye, I’ll be rushing to pop an experimental vaccine into my 13 & 11 year old daughters and 5 year old son then.
It shouldn’t be a case of ‘like it or not’ and will not be threatened into taking a vaccine by taking freedoms away which they should have no right to do.
Someone assure me there are no long term effects of the vaccine and I’ll go book myself in, until someone can do that or until the vaccine has cleared all trials and not just approved for emergency use, going nowhere near it.
0 deaths today in Scotland, it’s time Lockdown was lifted and everything returns to normal.
Post Edited (Mon 07 Jun 20:54)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 7 Jun 21:00
It`s because of the vaccines that deaths have been at zero. Eventually things will return to normal for everyone as those who aren`t inoculated will be under the umbrella of protection that the herd provides. Until then though some restrictions may have to remain. I think it is really only going to be cross border travel that will be linked to vaccination and even that won`t be forever.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 7 Jun 21:02
Be waiting at least a year before the studies begin being published in full. However, initial data shows little risk of having the vaccine.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 8 Jun 00:29
Berry, it will be that the parents have had the vaccine, not the children.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 8 Jun 13:41
Quote:
Berry, Mon 7 Jun 20:46
‘Want to work in some jobs? Vaccine. Want your children to enjoy social activities with their peers? Vaccine. Want to holiday abroad? Vaccine...’
Aye, I’ll be rushing to pop an experimental vaccine into my 13 & 11 year old daughters and 5 year old son then.
It shouldn’t be a case of ‘like it or not’ and will not be threatened into taking a vaccine by taking freedoms away which they should have no right to do.
Someone assure me there are no long term effects of the vaccine and I’ll go book myself in, until someone can do that or until the vaccine has cleared all trials and not just approved for emergency use, going nowhere near it.
0 deaths today in Scotland, it’s time Lockdown was lifted and everything returns to normal.
There is no will to let us out of lockdown or have us return to normal, hence the "new normal" and "great reset" advertising campaigns....you think that's going to be forgotten about because cases are down?
There are many very wealthy and powerful people want their "great reset" and it won't be our wellbeing that stops them getting it.
I'm interested on how many carrots and sticks you'll all put up with.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 8 Jun 18:32
If someone is clever enough to masterplan a great reset, presumably masterminding a way of masking it from the world is a piece of pee?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 8 Jun 19:24
Quote:
jake89, Tue 8 Jun 18:32
If someone is clever enough to masterplan a great reset, presumably masterminding a way of masking it from the world is a piece of pee?
Apparently they advertised it. 😂🤣😂🤣😂
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Tue 8 Jun 20:48
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 8 Jun 21:59
Quote:
EEP, Tue 08 Jun 20:48
Honestly a genuine question could someone tell me the facts about how we have had a great reset and what this involves?
So the whole world has been reset? Tbh I can’t be arsed with links as I don’t understand this reset mentality????
Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum, made a speech saying there will be no “getting back to normal” after COVID-19 and wrote a manifesto about ‘the Great Reset’.
Schwab envisioned the Great Reset as an opportunity to make the world better and more resilient, to capitalize on accelerating change to change focus on the greater good than pure profit.
His view was that “A company is more than an economic unit generating wealth. It fulfills human and societal aspirations as part of the broader social system. Performance must be measured not only on the return to shareholders, but also on how it achieves its environmental, social and good governance objectives,”.
However nutjobs and right wing conspiracy theorists (especially Americans who do not take well to anything other than pure capitalism) have taken this to mean the whole thing was planned to introduce population control, take over the global economy and will result in permanent lockdown and restrictions.
A lot of it stems from fear of government, fear of global governance/cooperation to address global problems and raised taxation that would be required to pay for it….all things that do not land well in America where the conspiracies originate.
Lands well with tories too.
Particularly appealing to the conspiracy theorist is that it’s a handy vague statement that they can latch onto and throw around with the implication of something sinister while never actually explaining what they really mean and offering no substance whatsoever.
Post Edited (Tue 08 Jun 22:07)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 9 Jun 09:11
P....
So all those "billionaires" are clubbing together to keep us well?
You want to have a deeper look at Klaus, of course, you won't, but you should.
It's easier to just insult and deny.
Distribution of wealth...we'll take that first....billionaires are far richer for the pandemic, so that didn't really work in the wholesome fluffy way you described did it?
Oh and P.....I could go into this...in depth...but on here?
You have to be kidding, it's way to blinkered.
I'm sure any attempted "Reset" will be very fair on the rich protagonists.
Feel free to list the ways that shower are going to reset for the benefit of us all?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Wed 09 Jun 10:38)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 9 Jun 10:39
Quote:
jake89, Tue 8 Jun 18:32
If someone is clever enough to masterplan a great reset, presumably masterminding a way of masking it from the world is a piece of pee?
Masking it?
They have a website🤣
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 9 Jun 10:40
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Tue 8 Jun 17:06
Great reset?
Aye ok then.
Don't put your hat in the microwave.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55017002
Oh well, seeing it's on the BBC🤣
That's poor for you, are the classed a fact checker now?🤣👊
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 9 Jun 11:37
"Oh and P.....I could go into this...in depth...but on here?
You have to be kidding, it`s way to blinkered."
You mean because it will be forensically and methodically dismantled and debunked on here.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 9 Jun 13:38
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 9 Jun 10:39
Quote:
jake89, Tue 8 Jun 18:32
If someone is clever enough to masterplan a great reset, presumably masterminding a way of masking it from the world is a piece of pee?
Masking it?
They have a website🤣
What's the link?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 9 Jun 14:02
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 9 Jun 11:37
"Oh and P.....I could go into this...in depth...but on here?
You have to be kidding, it`s way to blinkered."
You mean because it will be forensically and methodically dismantled and debunked on here.
No, you will quote good morning Britain or some Day Mail fact checker and claim debunked, time and time again you fail to answer simple questions I pose but expect me to write you reports.
What kind of human expects parents to get injection they don't need?
Sub human I should say.
Try answering some of the simple questions I've asked and I might play ball, yeah?
I await your condescending reply whilst addressing no points whatsoever in anticipation.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 9 Jun 14:03
Quote:
jake89, Wed 9 Jun 13:38
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 9 Jun 10:39
Quote:
jake89, Tue 8 Jun 18:32
If someone is clever enough to masterplan a great reset, presumably masterminding a way of masking it from the world is a piece of pee?
Masking it?
They have a website🤣
What's the link?
Do one.
You are capable yourself.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 9 Jun 15:54
Quote:
jake89, Wed 9 Jun 13:38
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 9 Jun 10:39
Quote:
jake89, Tue 8 Jun 18:32
If someone is clever enough to masterplan a great reset, presumably masterminding a way of masking it from the world is a piece of pee?
Masking it?
They have a website🤣
What's the link?
Here it is since Rasta is adverse to posting any links.
Probably doesn't want to post it because the actual stuff on there bears no relation to the interpretation that conspiracy theorists have of it.
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 9 Jun 16:25
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 9 Jun 14:02
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 9 Jun 11:37
"Oh and P.....I could go into this...in depth...but on here?
You have to be kidding, it`s way to blinkered."
You mean because it will be forensically and methodically dismantled and debunked on here.
No, you will quote good morning Britain or some Day Mail fact checker and claim debunked, time and time again you fail to answer simple questions I pose but expect me to write you reports.
What kind of human expects parents to get injection they don't need?
Sub human I should say.
Try answering some of the simple questions I've asked and I might play ball, yeah?
I await your condescending reply whilst addressing no points whatsoever in anticipation.
"Sub human"
A tad strong chap. Simmer down eh?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 9 Jun 16:42
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Wed 09 Jun 15:54
Quote:
jake89, Wed 9 Jun 13:38
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 9 Jun 10:39
Quote:
jake89, Tue 8 Jun 18:32
If someone is clever enough to masterplan a great reset, presumably masterminding a way of masking it from the world is a piece of pee?
Masking it?
They have a website🤣
What's the link?
Here it is since Rasta is adverse to posting any links.
Probably doesn't want to post it because the actual stuff on there bears no relation to the interpretation that conspiracy theorists have of it.
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset
“To improve the state of the world”
“build a new social contract that honours the dignity of every human being.”
The absolute monsters 😱🤯
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 9 Jun 17:34
So the suggestion is COVID-19 was planned to allow for improvements to society in general?
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Wed 9 Jun 21:42
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Topic Originator: Kessel
Date: Thu 10 Jun 00:45
Had a quick scan of this thread. Folk losing their stuff on this topic on a local football clubs off topic forum. Hahahaha.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 10 Jun 05:29
So are people not allowed to talk about world events at their own local level?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 10 Jun 15:05
Quote:
EEP, Wed 9 Jun 21:42
So what I get there was a lab in China that wasn’t fit for purpose and then some employee caught the covid and it spread…. Then it was a bat that bit some person🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Now we have a great reset of the world where the rich get richer… tbh the rich will only get richer…… but we are all getting controlled by having to get a vaccine..
What's odd is the rich are already getting richer. For a small few COVID will have accelerated their wealth growth but for far more rich people it will have negatively hit them.
The thing about conspiracy theories is that they are easy to believe as they're often providing simple explanations to incredibly complex topics.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 12 Jun 06:55
And now they're going after kids that don't need a vaccine....what sort of coward let's their child be experimented on?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 12 Jun 06:59
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Tue 8 Jun 19:24
Quote:
jake89, Tue 8 Jun 18:32
If someone is clever enough to masterplan a great reset, presumably masterminding a way of masking it from the world is a piece of pee?
Apparently they advertised it. 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Are you saying it hasn't been mentioned by high profile figures?
Are you saying it's not real?
So when Klaus Schwab talks about the new industrial revolution with rich chums it's for the betterment of the everyday person?
Cute.
Newspapers now reporting the high number of fully vaccinated people catching and spreading the virus....turns out you're the diseased we need to worry about.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jun 07:20)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jun 08:58
Had my second two weeks ago. Apart fae an itchy arm for a day I’ve been right as rain.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 12 Jun 09:03
Quote:
buffy, Sat 12 Jun 08:58
Had my second two weeks ago. Apart fae an itchy arm for a day I’ve been right as rain.
I've just had the one. Feeling fine. Been using more of the computer for some reason. That Microsoft Office is quite the product. Available at such a reasonable price.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 12 Jun 09:22
On Sky News that catching COVID-19 provides at least 8 months immunity against reinfection.
Is the vaccine itself not between 6months and a year?
They should be pushing out antibody tests hard to help determine if anyone has likely to have had COVID, and if so, and if the findings are accurate, indicates that you may have similar immunity levels going without the vaccine on this basis.
Suggest that’s quite key information to determine whether you should proceed with what still is an experimental vaccine.
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jun 09:22)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 12 Jun 10:01
So if you caught covid during the first or second wave then you are likely no longer protected by anti bodies.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 12 Jun 10:06
That’s a risk based decision isn’t it, antibody test will tell you whether it’s likely you had it, not when.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 12 Jun 10:28
Since the NHS already advises people who have had covid to get the vaccine anyway I`d imagine they`d consider large scale anti body testing as a waste of resources.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 12 Jun 10:35
Quote:
Berry, Sat 12 Jun 09:22
On Sky News that catching COVID-19 provides at least 8 months immunity against reinfection.
Is the vaccine itself not between 6months and a year?
Hang on a minute...isn't 8 months also between 6 months and a year? It's almost as if this vaccine is giving you the antibodies you need to protect yourself against COVID-19 but without the inconvenience of potential hospitalisation or death.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 12 Jun 10:55
Quote:
jake89, Sat 12 Jun 09:03
Quote:
buffy, Sat 12 Jun 08:58
Had my second two weeks ago. Apart fae an itchy arm for a day I’ve been right as rain.
I've just had the one. Feeling fine. Been using more of the computer for some reason. That Microsoft Office is quite the product. Available at such a reasonable price.
I've just realised the Windows XP startup jingle sounds like it's saying "Get the vaccine right now".
The planning started in 2001. How could we not see this hiding in plain sight.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 12 Jun 11:02
Quote:
Berry, Sat 12 Jun 10:06
That’s a risk based decision isn’t it, antibody test will tell you whether it’s likely you had it, not when.
Makes me think about moving to a bungalow and walking the wrong way around housing estates by going via all the cul-de-sacs.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 12 Jun 11:06
There have been so many great Microsoft OSs since so I can't remember.
[I]Sent from my Surface Pro[/I]
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 12 Jun 11:21
Freedom day looking good?
Yeah, not this year.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 12 Jun 11:32
The government have been pretty clear 21st June was the earliest day possible haven't they? It seemed to be others who took it as read to me.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 12 Jun 11:36
The real positive is that more than half of people who said they wouldn't be vaccinated just a few months ago have now been vaccinated.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sat 12 Jun 13:22
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 12 Jun 06:59
Newspapers now reporting the high number of fully vaccinated people catching and spreading the virus....turns out you're the diseased we need to worry about.
Can you provide a link to back up this claim.
I tried to search for information on this and am drawing a blank.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jun 15:19
Jake89 I’ve not got a scooby why you mentioned Microsoft office suite on yer post. That’s gone right oer ma heid 😂
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 12 Jun 15:36
Quote:
buffy, Sat 12 Jun 15:19
Jake89 I’ve not got a scooby why you mentioned Microsoft office suite on yer post. That’s gone right oer ma heid 😂
Click here
SIF, just look it up 😂
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jun 15:48
Ahh I see 😂
Ty tiddles x
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 12 Jun 20:22
Blood clots...now heart inflammation in young men...but science says jab our children too, madness.
Of course I expect the usual "to be expected" line you've been taught to trot out...but not to those suffering who were told to "not give in".
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Sat 12 Jun 20:48
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 12 Jun 20:22
Blood clots...now heart inflammation in young men...but science says jab our children too, madness.
Of course I expect the usual "to be expected" line you've been taught to trot out...but not to those suffering who were told to "not give in".
Oh belt up
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 12 Jun 21:49
Deaths in Scotland as a result of contracting COVID: 10,130.
Deaths in Scotland as a result of complications following being vaccinated: 3.
The last time Scotland had an excess death rate that high was during a wee expedition to mainland Europe in the 1940s...
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sat 12 Jun 22:28
Quote:
CAPar, Sat 12 Jun 20:48
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 12 Jun 20:22
Blood clots...now heart inflammation in young men...but science says jab our children too, madness.
Of course I expect the usual "to be expected" line you've been taught to trot out...but not to those suffering who were told to "not give in".
Oh belt up
I demand my freedumb!!
While I can indeed go out mostly when I want, where I want, go for a pint in the pub, eat out, I’ve tickets for 3 Scotland matches and a lions game but my freedumb is intrinsically linked to a full English beachfront breakfast in Benidorm and not wearing a mask because I am a whiny little millennial chimp (although i believe Rasta is bearing down on 50 and not as low risk as presented).
Can you imagine the likes of Rasta on D-day “it’s a bit wet in the sea, nazi’s are a bit of a plot anyway to control us, there is no Holocaust”
He is an idiot, it’s boring tiring schtick and no one buys it 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 12 Jun 23:41
Being a bit harsh on Rastapari there. While he does have some funny idea and can be rather abrasive in the way he puts his point across, it is refreshing to hear a different viewpoint.
I feel a lot of the hostility towards him seems to be coming from people who are perhaps just unquestioning sheep, who do everything the government tell them without fully investigating things for themselves
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Sat 12 Jun 23:53
Quote:
red-star-par, Sat 12 Jun 23:41
Being a bit harsh on Rastapari there. While he does have some funny idea and can be rather abrasive in the way he puts his point across, it is refreshing to hear a different viewpoint.
I feel a lot of the hostility towards him seems to be coming from people who are perhaps just unquestioning sheep, who do everything the government tell them without fully investigating things for themselves
It is good to hear different views and I've seen Berry put his points across about vaccine hesitancy very well.
On the other hand, Rastapari chucks out these supposed facts with nothing to back them up and when asked for links to what he's talking about either ignores the request or tells people to find it themselves.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 12 Jun 23:54
What would be useful would be if people could actually provide sources* for any "facts" they're stating.
* Wee Mikey on Facebook isn't considered a reliable source.
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Topic Originator: Gem 1977
Date: Sun 13 Jun 02:13
What would be useful would be if people could actually provide sources* for any "facts" they`re stating.
* Wee Mikey on Facebook isn`t considered a reliable source.
Find it yourself Jake. You should know the script by now 🤣
Here's to the first of the day, fellas! To old D.H. Lawrence.
Neh! Neh! Neh! Fuh! Fuh! Fuh! Indians
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 13 Jun 09:03
Hey I can now see the the invertebrate cowards that'll push for our kids to be part of the experiment,thank you.
You won't rattle me but keep trying.
You're ego's have been taken for a ride so you'll be all in....blindly doing what you've been told to, virtuous, brave, not giving in.
Pathetic, line up your kids, do what's right.
For an experimental treatment that has changed nothing, absolutely nothing, so brave, such strong.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Sun 13 Jun 09:05)
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sun 13 Jun 09:43
Except, of course, the things that have changed since the vaccine roll out.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 13 Jun 09:44
Haha. You're the scaredy cat who won't get a couple of wee jabs.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 13 Jun 10:46
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 13 Jun 09:03
Hey I can now see the the invertebrate cowards that'll push for our kids to be part of the experiment,thank you.
You won't rattle me but keep trying.
You're ego's have been taken for a ride so you'll be all in....blindly doing what you've been told to, virtuous, brave, not giving in.
Pathetic, line up your kids, do what's right.
For an experimental treatment that has changed nothing, absolutely nothing, so brave, such strong.
Wibble
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 13 Jun 12:57
Rasta, are you okay? You've gone from being reasonably rational to throwing insults around.
Just to be completely clear on this - no-one HAS to be vaccinated. Various people on this forum have chosen not to. That is up to them. In the case of children, the vaccine is being offered (not forced) to children who are at a higher risk due to their health.
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Sun 13 Jun 18:33
The amount of virologists and experts in vaccinations here and on social media is incredible.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sun 13 Jun 20:01
The graph below is from the British Medical Journal. It shows death per head of population, adjusted for age, over the years in the UK. Last year the death rate was not even the highest of the 21st century. For most of my life the death rate in the UK has been higher than the 2020 figure, though I have no memory of hospitals being overloaded or morgues unable to cope.
If Lockdown policy was the reason for holding down the death rate in 2020 at a rather impressive level historically, then presumably the vaccination programme should be equally effective on its own. At the moment we have both Lockdown and a vaccination programme yet no end seems in sight.
sammer
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 13 Jun 20:10
Hi Sammer,
I've got no idea what the specific link between the virus, hospilation and death is but it would be the hospitalisation rate that was the key thing here to consider against impact on NHS, not the death rate.
Still quite a large increase in death rate considering we haven't left the house for much of the year. Wonder what it would have been without it.
I agree with your frustration about lock-out and the jabs. Hopefully we can get enough folks with full jabs and 3 weeks cover at the second jab....we must surely be close to that now.
Post Edited (Sun 13 Jun 20:11)
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Sun 13 Jun 23:37
Quote:
sammer, Sun 13 Jun 20:01
The graph below is from the British Medical Journal. It shows death per head of population, adjusted for age, over the years in the UK. Last year the death rate was not even the highest of the 21st century. For most of my life the death rate in the UK has been higher than the 2020 figure, though I have no memory of hospitals being overloaded or morgues unable to cope.
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It was though the highest in a decade, which makes sense. We're constantly making improvements in medicine so people quite frankly die less.
We have though had a pretty large jump in deaths this year, despite the fact that for the most part we were in lockdown, this may shock you sammer, but the intention of this was to stop people dying.
Hospital admissions don't relate fully to deaths, I wouldn't imagine in your life you've had a situation where there's been sudden and sharp rises in a specific type of hospitalisation either, such as what happened during the first, and second wave.
That also relates to morgues, simply put there's an capacity on them and in a situation where there's a mass influx of dead people over a short period of time that'll run out.
Now I know you're not a kid sammer, so it perplexes me as to why this needs explained to you. Do better.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 14 Jun 10:16
The mortality rate for 2020 would strike most UK citizens as surprisingly low given the tone of government statements since last March, which have included claims that the UK is fighting its biggest battle since WW2. But putting the fear of death into people is a useful method for encouraging compliance.
I don’t think the mortality rate has ever been the real story here. After all there were voices in the Johnson cabinet, in the early days, advising him to ‘let Covid rip.’ That sits well with their social Darwinist mindset and is worth remembering the next time they tell us ‘one death is one too many.’
Rather, the government nightmare has been of the NHS being overwhelmed, of stories and pictures of people unable to receive treatment. That would be viewed as gross negligence and would amount to a breach of contract between citizen and state, hence the panic decision to erect ‘Nightingale Hospitals’ which I’m not sure were ever used. The government slogan ‘Save Lives, Save the NHS’ has from the outset been as much about saving its own skin.
sammer
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 14 Jun 11:02
Mortality rate isn't the same as excess deaths.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 14 Jun 11:18
There's your stick, there's your carrot, Scotland to follow shortly, this will go on until cold and fluu season then we're looking at next year, of course you'll all defend it.
There is no will whatsoever to give us back our stolen freedoms, deep down I think you know it too, if you don't, please don't be operating machinery.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 14 Jun 11:21
Loving the pictures from G7, the old Queen there getting right in about her chums with no mask or social distancing....oh of course "elite bubbles" , us proles don't get them...we just get heavier restrictions.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 14 Jun 11:42
Wibble
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 14 Jun 12:22
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 14 Jun 11:42
Wibble
You going to wibble until 2023 at least but you'll enjoy pretending your freedoms will be gifted back to you, something to pretend to look forward to.you
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 14 Jun 12:39
What freedoms aren`t we going to have till 2023?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 14 Jun 13:37
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 14 Jun 12:22
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 14 Jun 11:42
Wibble
You going to wibble until 2023 at least but you'll enjoy pretending your freedoms will be gifted back to you, something to pretend to look forward to.you
Wibble wibble
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 14 Jun 14:47
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 14 Jun 12:39
What freedoms aren`t we going to have till 2023?
You know fine well or are you so cowed you didn't realise?
We're not coming our of lockdown "laws" or emergency status until 2023, the end of the vaccine trialling, if course us plebs aren't getting anything back, you lot can snide away all you like, I said last year this would be the case and was ridiculed.
You're the shower that can't recognise the carrot and stick being used to cajole you along.
All we're going to hear is variant variant variant, heavy travel restrictions (unless you're wealthy) and much of our leisure activities gone.
You lot will continue to make excuses for them.
Pathetic.
Weak.
You should want more for your children.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 14 Jun 14:51
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 14 Jun 14:47
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 14 Jun 12:39
What freedoms aren`t we going to have till 2023?
You know fine well or are you so cowed you didn't realise?
We're not coming our of lockdown "laws" or emergency status until 2023, the end of the vaccine trialling, if course us plebs aren't getting anything back, you lot can snide away all you like, I said last year this would be the case and was ridiculed.
You're the shower that can't recognise the carrot and stick being used to cajole you along.
All we're going to hear is variant variant variant, heavy travel restrictions (unless you're wealthy) and much of our leisure activities gone.
You lot will continue to make excuses for them.
Pathetic.
Weak.
You should want more for your children.
So what's your solution? Riots? Civil unrest? Pitchforks and burning torches. You suggest nothing other than abusing the rest of the human race.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 14 Jun 14:54
Dunno about that...I caught it and was fine so he must think I'm looking after myself well. That's how it works isn't it?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 14 Jun 15:20
Again I`ll ask what freedoms Rasta?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Mon 14 Jun 15:24
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 14 Jun 15:20
Again I`ll ask what freedoms Rasta?
He doesn't answer questions directly, you'll need to look it up yourself
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 14 Jun 16:20
Freedom to go on holiday abroad, to go to gigs, to go clubbing, to go shopping without a bloody mask etc.
Positive to see gradual lifting though I don't think it'll make much difference to me until things are fully lifted. The only thing I'm missing is a holiday abroad.
I'm interested in the suggestion of vaccinating children. My understanding is they are incredibly low risk so the suggestion is to only vaccinate those with underlying health conditions, if their parents consent to them receiving it. Have I missed a recommendation to give all children the vaccine?
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Mon 14 Jun 16:22
I think the MHRA has given the green light for the Pfizer vaccine to be used for all 12-15yr olds but the JCVI hasn't updated it's strategy to include them all at this stage.
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Mon 14 Jun 16:40
Edited.
I'm not getting back into this.
...ken?
Post Edited (Mon 14 Jun 16:47)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 14 Jun 19:29
Quote:
CAPar, Mon 14 Jun 16:22
I think the MHRA has given the green light for the Pfizer vaccine to be used for all 12-15yr olds but the JCVI hasn't updated it's strategy to include them all at this stage.
They would just advise it's safe for use rather than that it is to be rolled out. My understanding is it would be aimed at children with health conditions where not being vaccinated would pose a risk to their health.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 14 Jun 19:54
As for vaccinating children I`ll listen once more to the advice of Byram Bridle;
"“If the risk associated with the treatment is less than the risk associated with the disease, of course you apply the treatment"
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 14 Jun 21:41
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 14 Jun 21:52
Quote:
EEP, Mon 14 Jun 21:41
I don’t agree with Rasta on points but if you look back on threads a year ago he has a point and made several good observations regarding Covid.
It’s really more or less each to their own opinions as I really can’t be erased with what Bojo or wee sneaky Sturgeon says now.
DA No 1 is coming across as a wee fud now! Go on and report me again ya roaster……. You come across as a sad wee man tbh.
Internet hard man alert
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 14 Jun 22:08
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 14 Jun 22:46
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and everyone is entitled to change their opinion.
What's different is when someone presents an opinion as fact. If you want to state facts then provide the source and/or data.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 14 Jun 23:10
Quote:
EEP, Mon 14 Jun 22:08
😅 that’s all you have…. Well done wee man and don’t cry back to your admin!
Wibble
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Mon 14 Jun 23:31
Admin
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 15 Jun 07:18
Just banter mate. He'll simmer down once he's had his coco pops
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 15 Jun 10:05
Got my first injection of the AZ vaccine today.
Was very easy and straightforward, to be honest. There was a definite tingling feeling as the vaccine went into my bloodstream, and I was glad to follow the recommendation to sit down for 15 minutes afterwards. Briefly, I experienced a slight dizziness.
That was seven hours ago now, and apart from a general feeling of lethargy and a slight nausea, it has been okay so far.
The nurses told me these feelings might last for a couple of days.
What has been your experience with the vaccine?
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 15 Jun 10:27
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 15 Jun 10:05
Got my first injection of the AZ vaccine today.
Was very easy and straightforward, to be honest. There was a definite tingling feeling as the vaccine went into my bloodstream, and I was glad to follow the recommendation to sit down for 15 minutes afterwards. Briefly, I experienced a slight dizziness.
That was seven hours ago now, and apart from a general feeling of lethargy and a slight nausea, it has been okay so far.
The nurses told me these feelings might last for a couple of days.
What has been your experience with the vaccine?
Was the same for me on the first injection as you. But second injection was no bother. No after effects at all. So all good.
Well, except for some guy following me, recording my phone calls watching my movements. 😂
On another note I dropped my daughter off for her injection at the weekend and I was really pleased to see so many young people going for their injections. I asked her why this may be and she said people generally want to live life again and the young people want to do their bit.
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Tue 15 Jun 11:31
Had both doses of AZ. Felt nothing at time & no side effects after either dose.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 15 Jun 12:47
Now the dentist saying ten weeks, then cold and flu season.....then we're into next year....again.
Mugs.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 15 Jun 13:10
Quote:
CAPar, Mon 14 Jun 15:24
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 14 Jun 15:20
Again I`ll ask what freedoms Rasta?
He doesn't answer questions directly, you'll need to look it up yourself
Why answer when the answers are readily known?
I answer plenty directly, tend to avoid those wilfully playing the fud...you know?
You're just another mug being led through to next year.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 15 Jun 13:12
So again I'll ask. What should us "mugs" do?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 15 Jun 13:25
ATTENTION ADMIN:
Please do your job and red card ban Rasta for at least a month.
Enough is enough.
These persistent interruptions to scream the same old stuff at us over and over again has got to stop.
Oz
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 15 Jun 13:35
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 15 Jun 13:25
ATTENTION ADMIN:
Please do your job and red card ban Rasta for at least a month.
Enough is enough.
These persistent interruptions to scream the same old stuff at us over and over again has got to stop.
Oz
Oooooft *takes cover*
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Tue 15 Jun 13:35
I got the Pfizer one OZ. Felt like someone had repeatedly punched my arm the next day but apart from that no other side effects. My wife’s had both doses of AZ and she was fine apart from being a bit tired the next day.
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Tue 15 Jun 13:43
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 15 Jun 13:10
Quote:
CAPar, Mon 14 Jun 15:24
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 14 Jun 15:20
Again I`ll ask what freedoms Rasta?
He doesn't answer questions directly, you'll need to look it up yourself
Why answer when the answers are readily known?
I answer plenty directly, tend to avoid those wilfully playing the fud...you know?
You're just another mug being led through to next year.
Only one "mug" here. Have a look in the mirror!!!
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Tue 15 Jun 14:11
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 15 Jun 13:10
Quote:
CAPar, Mon 14 Jun 15:24
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 14 Jun 15:20
Again I`ll ask what freedoms Rasta?
He doesn't answer questions directly, you'll need to look it up yourself
Why answer when the answers are readily known?
I answer plenty directly, tend to avoid those wilfully playing the fud...you know?
You're just another mug being led through to next year.
Aye no bother Piers Corbyn, away and listen to your Andy Wakefield podcast.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 15 Jun 15:06
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 15 Jun 13:10
Quote:
CAPar, Mon 14 Jun 15:24
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 14 Jun 15:20
Again I`ll ask what freedoms Rasta?
He doesn't answer questions directly, you'll need to look it up yourself
Why answer when the answers are readily known?
I answer plenty directly, tend to avoid those wilfully playing the fud...you know?
You're just another mug being led through to next year.
Everything you post is not readily available on at least 3 occasions I have scoured the Internet looking for info on a claim you have made to find nothing.
I've then asked you to provide a link and get tumbleweed, or an insult thrown at me.
If your claims are indeed valid don't you want people to know?
Or do you know your interpretation of something doesn't match the reality and are too embarrassed to post your sources?
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 15 Jun 15:51
I`ve had my first vaccine and will get the 2nd one. However, I understand if you`re in your 20s why you might be reticent to do so.
Having known someone who has died of Covid, someone younger than me that was touch and go and an extended family member that runs the main Covid ward in a major UK city, I am broadly in support of what the government has done re lockdown. It could have been an absolute catastrophe otherwise. Elderly and infirm people would have been dying in the corridors of hospitals, with little or no access to treatment. Things could obviously been done better though and people have obviously died that absolutely should still be with us.
I don`t vote Tory. Never have and never will. I have no doubt many friends of this government have benefitted financially from all of this. However, I don`t see how that translates into the government not wanting to end restrictions.
When restrictions end, there will be even more money and business for them to throw in the directions of undeserving friends of the government - and that`s absolutely what will happen. I`m under no illusion that those in charge at Westminster care about anyone but themselves and their own and the sooner they are out (or we are out) the better.
I am therefore confused. I am no idea if I am a mug or have my eyes wide open. One thing I do know is that we need to be better than hurling insults about when there are a load of us that know people who have died of this virus. It shows a total lack of compassion.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 15 Jun 18:09
I`ll second that.
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Topic Originator: Pars232
Date: Tue 15 Jun 18:10
If lockdown hadn’t happened, our hospitals would have been over run with covid patients meaning those that needed out health service in a normal world would not have benefited. At some point in our lives we’ll all need help from our health service. If that’s not during a pandemic then you are incredibly lucky.
I’ve had to go through major surgery, post treatment and various appointments, scans and check ups over the last few months alone.
If that helped save lives and take the pressure off the NHS I’d do it again in a heart beat.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 15 Jun 19:13
The easiest thing to do is criticise something after it's happened.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Tue 15 Jun 21:01
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Tue 15 Jun 21:10
I don`t know the situation in other countries but my understanding(I could be wrong) is that anyone who attends the games in this country either need to have had the 2 jags or provide evidence of a negative test within 48 hours of the game?
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Tue 15 Jun 21:34
I emailed about that as it’s a determining factor on whether I purchase a season ticket and at the moment there has been nothing mentioned in any SFA guidance about discriminating against people who have decided against the vaccine.
That being said I won’t be surprised if measures are introduced closer to the season starting so just biding my time.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Tue 15 Jun 21:42
If you don`t want the vaccine then take a test. I have them voluntarily at my work-takes 2 minutes and results arrive the next day.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 15 Jun 23:48
The NHS Louisa Jordan (SECC) was definitely used. I think what people didn't appreciate was that many of these "hospitals" were set up to free up space in the proper hospitals rather than to be used for COVID. There was also concern about flu (as there is every year) but it was fortunately very minor due to everyone being at home!
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 16 Jun 06:00
Quote:
Berry, Tue 15 Jun 21:34
I emailed about that as it’s a determining factor on whether I purchase a season ticket and at the moment there has been nothing mentioned in any SFA guidance about discriminating against people who have decided against the vaccine.
That being said I won’t be surprised if measures are introduced closer to the season starting so just biding my time.
So correct me if I’m wrong Berry, but what your saying is you want all the benefits of society, going to fitba and sitting next to other people but you are not willing to take any risks or precautions that society deems important to enable that.
If it’s your choice not to take the vaccine (which you’re free to do so) then it’s everyone else’s choice to say they don’t want to sit next to someone who has refused the vaccine and therefore is more likely to pass it on
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Wed 16 Jun 07:02
Oz
I have every sympathy for your suggestion 😁
After all Donald Trump has been banned from Facebook for spreading misinformation 🤔
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Topic Originator: Parnott
Date: Wed 16 Jun 07:29
Reading this morning that frontline health care staffs vaccines are to become compulsory. Staff need it done within 16 weeks or face redeployment or losing their job.
Where does this end?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Jun 07:39
Not really new. My wife has to evidence having had various vaccinations in order to do her job. I'd expect all frontline medical workers are the same.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 16 Jun 08:30
Quote:
DBP, Wed 16 Jun 06:00
Quote:
Berry, Tue 15 Jun 21:34
I emailed about that as it’s a determining factor on whether I purchase a season ticket and at the moment there has been nothing mentioned in any SFA guidance about discriminating against people who have decided against the vaccine.
That being said I won’t be surprised if measures are introduced closer to the season starting so just biding my time.
So correct me if I’m wrong Berry, but what you’re saying is you want all the benefits of society, going to fitba and sitting next to other people but you are not willing to take any risks or precautions that society deems important to enable that.
If it’s your choice not to take the vaccine (which you’re free to do so) then it’s everyone else’s choice to say they don’t want to sit next to someone who has refused the vaccine and therefore is more likely to pass it on
Yes, pretty much. I was thinking how best to respond to this but it’s as straightforward as you put it. Am I really to be penalised because I’m reserved about taking what is an expiremental vaccine that they very much are still studying and checking it covers each variant that comes out as well as any long term effects. They’ve only just approved it for use of kids, that’s nice of them.
Should I not be able to go food shopping, take the boy to the park and go watch my local team and support them?
I shouldn’t have to feel like I’m a walking disease but this is seriously a stage it’s going to take us to if we’re not already there.
What about kids that are too young to get the vaccine, I’d argue a lot of parents who have taken the decision to have one will decide not to vaccinate kids, are they going to suffer, would you pull them from school and hang them out to dry, keep them away from EEP?
What about those people that are medically advised not to take the vaccine due to underlying conditions, are we going to banish them from EEP as well?
Where does it stop and how does one have a right to make that call?
They call it ‘Freedom Day’ when the irony is they took our supposed freedom away in the first place which indicates that we never really had freedoms in the first place.
The vaccine has proven its worth, absolutely, and it’s been a key factor in reducing hospital admissions, those that really need the vaccine have had it and have that degree of protection, fantastic, it really is.
It doesn’t stop transmission, it doesn’t stop you catching it, it will no doubt lower the odds and make the symptoms less severe and less likely for a hospital admission. There was a cruise not long ago (I can look it up if you want) and all had to be vaccinated as a condition...two of them caught Covid whilst on board. There’s no escaping this unfortunately.
For me and my family after a detailed chat we agreed we’d put more trust in our immune system and when the vaccine is fully authorised we’d re-examine. I’m might even revisit earlier if there is much more confidence provided, mentioned a few times the Valneva one is a vaccine I’m reviewing.
As bad as this sounds, I hope it’s taken as intended but I don’t live for other people, other than my family and kids. When those are in need I’m more than happy to help but taking a vaccine where there is still uncertainty is a step too far.
I’m happy to wear a face mask, happy to take a COVID test pre every game, put me in an unvaccinated section of the stand I wouldn’t be bothered.
If they decide I’m not wanted then I’d be gutted but it is what it is, I’d respect it.
Post Edited (Wed 16 Jun 08:37)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 16 Jun 09:41
Wow, now greeting for me to be red carded, truth must really rattle you.
We're not getting our freedoms back without coercion and you better get used to jumping through hoops because that's all you do.
Like Berry I'm not willing to risk severe health issues for anyone other than my family, take that any way you want.
There's not a lot known about what is down the road with these experiments and that's a fact, no matter what the glossy ads tell you.
Good luck.
Fact is I told you last year this would be where we're at and that's how it's gonna be, if you think those leaders doing their freaky rituals on the beach are all meeting up to discuss our betterment you are the crazy ones.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 16 Jun 10:27
"Like Berry I`m not willing to risk severe health issues for anyone other than my family,"
Except covid does carry a risk of severe health issues. Not guaranteed, probably unlikely, but it still carries a risk. And we don`t know what long term health effects of covid are.
As always though when in doubt; If the risk associated with the treatment is less than the risk associated with the disease, of course you apply the treatment.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 16 Jun 10:37
Open up the North East stand to the unvaccinated!🤔😷😁
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Wed 16 Jun 10:40
Could reinstate the cage & make them wear armbands 😅
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 16 Jun 10:53
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 16 Jun 10:27
"Like Berry I`m not willing to risk severe health issues for anyone other than my family,"
Except covid does carry a risk of severe health issues. Not guaranteed, probably unlikely, but it still carries a risk. And we don`t know what long term health effects of covid are.
As always though when in doubt; If the risk associated with the treatment is less than the risk associated with the disease, of course you apply the treatment.
The risk is still there, again like Berry I choose to trust my relatively good health and immune system over corporations that have repeat customers in mind...because you will be repeat customers.
If I had seen any will by those in charge to let us get back to normal I would reconsider but all we are going to get is carrots on sticks, you'll see in time.
Yes I am worried about waiting 4 weeks in fear of getting blood clots, then there's the heart issues now seeping into the mainstream media....and given a childhood friend, same age, vaccinated, fit as a butchers dog dropped dead this week of a massive heart attack, out of nowhere....I reserve my right to caution....if things go a certain way the vaccine will be made readily available to me...if there is issues with the experimental treatments....we'll, you can put the vaccine in at any point...once in though l, you can't get it out.
Animosity won't change my mind.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Wed 16 Jun 11:09
Sorry for your loss but you can't categorically blame the vaccine.
42 million Brits have had at least one vaccine dose & the amount of serious side effects are miniscule compared to the effects of deaths/infections from Covid
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 16 Jun 11:23
One thing I don`t like is being lectured to by someone who says they don`t want to risk health issues for anyone other than family, whilst mocking those of us who are prepared to take the risk and help protect those who aren`t or are unable to. It`s rank hypocrisy.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 16 Jun 11:48
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wee eck, Wed 16 Jun 11:23
One thing I don`t like is being lectured to by someone who says they don`t want to risk health issues for anyone other than family, whilst mocking those of us who are prepared to take the risk and help protect those who aren`t or are unable to. It`s rank hypocrisy.
Listen to yourself!
Prepared to take risks, a properly developed vaccine won't come with the risks or so many possibly related deaths...so no....to be clear I rate my health...to me...more important than yours, yeah?
Play the virtue thing all you like, I am happy in the knowledge of what isn't in my body, if it was going to eattle you this much perhaps you should have waited instead of trying to mob handedly bully people into an experiment, maybe in 2023 when the trials are over you'll feel a bit more settled and not need to attack those exercising their own will over their bodies.
Bitter little man.....and while you're at it....list what I owe you over the safety of my family?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 16 Jun 11:50
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charlie1, Wed 16 Jun 11:09
Sorry for your loss but you can't categorically blame the vaccine.
42 million Brits have had at least one vaccine dose & the amount of serious side effects are miniscule compared to the effects of deaths/infections from Covid
I'm not blaming it but I am aware that heart issues are now being reported as a thing, the CDC are reviewing it closely....and it's not like heart issues in supposedly healthy young men hasn't been in the news recently.
Like I said...I know what issues I won't face and I'm good with that.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 16 Jun 11:56
Again… People are free to take or not take the vaccine depending on what they perceive to be the greater health risk
All I’m saying is that those same people have to accept when I (our society as a whole) chooses to do the same and decide they don’t want to sit next to people who have taken no precautions and thereby increase the risk to those vulnerable in their own family (our friends or work colleagues or society in general)
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Wed 16 Jun 11:56
That'll be the same CDC that are advocating vaccination!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 16 Jun 12:13
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charlie1, Wed 16 Jun 11:56
That'll be the same CDC that are advocating vaccination!
I didn't say they weren't so don't imy that, I said monitoring, read properly, yeah?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 16 Jun 12:14
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DBP, Wed 16 Jun 11:56
Again… People are free to take or not take the vaccine depending on what they perceive to be the greater health risk
All I’m saying is that those same people have to accept when I (our society as a whole) chooses to do the same and decide they don’t want to sit next to people who have taken no precautions and thereby increase the risk to those vulnerable in their own family (our friends or work colleagues or society in general)
And are we free to keep our distance from you experiments?
Because to be honest I don't want you anywhere near me, not until you've stopped shedding the crap.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 16 Jun 12:16
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charlie1, Wed 16 Jun 10:40
Could reinstate the cage & make them wear armbands 😅
Wow.....so we should be holocausted yeah?
And folks call for me to be carded, you lot are sick puppies.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 16 Jun 13:24
Insult me all you like, Rasta, but so much of what you post on here is just incoherent nonsense. How is it possible to just protect he health of your family and not bother about anyone else`s in modern society? You`d have to isolate yourselves on a remote island somewhere. Isn`t that a form of lockdown?
You`re now telling us you don`t want to be near anyone who`s had the vaccine! How does that work? When you visit a shop or go on public transport do you ask everyone if they`ve been vaccinated? What do you do if someone says `yes`?
You`ve never explained why the vast majority of political leaders have decided to trash their economies just to control the population. To what end?
Have you tuned in to GB News yet? There are lots of right-wing fellow-travellers there who share your views.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 16 Jun 13:29
‘You`re now telling us you don`t want to be near anyone who`s had the vaccine! How does that work? When you visit a shop or go on public transport do you ask everyone if they`ve been vaccinated? What do you do if someone says `yes`?’
To be fair you could equally turn that on its head as well.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 16 Jun 13:34
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wee eck, Wed 16 Jun 13:24
Insult me all you like, Rasta, but so much of what you post on here is just incoherent nonsense. How is it possible to just protect he health of your family and not bother about anyone else`s in modern society? You`d have to isolate yourselves on a remote island somewhere. Isn`t that a form of lockdown?
You`re now telling us you don`t want to be near anyone who`s had the vaccine! How does that work? When you visit a shop or go on public transport do you ask everyone if they`ve been vaccinated? What do you do if someone says `yes`?
You`ve never explained why the vast majority of political leaders have decided to trash their economies just to control the population. To what end?
Have you tuned in to GB News yet? There are lots of right-wing fellow-travellers there who share your views.
If I went into it you would never believe me, I offered information but you lot won't look past the end of your noses, so I give in.
I have challenged you numerous times to illustrate your claims, you haven't.
So what's nonsense?
Said last year we'd still be locked down...we are.
Vaccines are in testing phase...they are...until 2023, you're an experiment, not my problem you can't accept it.
There are blood clots linked to the vaccination....confirmed.
CDC looking into heart related issues....true.
The vaccinations will not win your rights back...ongoing...not looking likely.
So yeah why don't you and your smart erchie look past your beak and have a look at other countries, actual data, not from Hilary Jones instead of coming on here trying to be smart.
You've got unproven crap running through your veins, I don't....fact.
Hell you think those world leaders call the shots, utterly hilarious, they do what money tells them and money is enjoying this whole heist.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Wed 16 Jun 13:36)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 16 Jun 13:37
Thanks for not answering any of my questions.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 16 Jun 13:43
Wibble overload.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 16 Jun 14:12
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wee eck, Wed 16 Jun 13:37
Thanks for not answering any of my questions.
Show me the same courtesy is how that works.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Wed 16 Jun 14:27
You'll be closing your business I take it Rasta? Can't be going in houses of the vaccinated!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 16 Jun 15:25
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charlie1, Wed 16 Jun 14:27
You'll be closing your business I take it Rasta? Can't be going in houses of the vaccinated!
I do try to avoid them, most people would avoid medical experiments if they could, no?
You don't stalk very well, I don't have a business, try harder maybe?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Wed 16 Jun 15:28)
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Wed 16 Jun 16:21
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Rastapari, Wed 16 Jun 11:48
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wee eck, Wed 16 Jun 11:23
One thing I don`t like is being lectured to by someone who says they don`t want to risk health issues for anyone other than family, whilst mocking those of us who are prepared to take the risk and help protect those who aren`t or are unable to. It`s rank hypocrisy.
Listen to yourself!
Prepared to take risks, a properly developed vaccine won't come with the risks ?
I take it you wouldn't take an iburopfen then? Or if you had a female companion wanting to take the pill you'd warm them off?
I take it you never step out the house with the risks that are associated with it?
Bizarelly I've seen you post about smoking the green stuff before, no risks involved with that, no?
Listen to yourself!
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 16 Jun 16:29
I really don’t understand why you keep bringing ibuprofen up that was invented back in the 1960’s and stood the test of time comparing that to a vaccine that doesn’t pass its testing until 2023?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Jun 16:56
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Berry, Wed 16 Jun 16:29
I really don’t understand why you keep bringing ibuprofen up that was invented back in the 1960’s and stood the test of time comparing that to a vaccine that doesn’t pass its testing until 2023?
Because Ibuprofen is linked to quite serious issues, as is the contraceptive pill. Both are popped on a daily basis with no thought at all despite being a higher risk of complications than the AZ vaccine.
For those in the AZ age range, you do realise you can request another vaccine if you're concerned?
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Wed 16 Jun 18:26
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Rastapari, Wed 16 Jun 15:25
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charlie1, Wed 16 Jun 14:27
You'll be closing your business I take it Rasta? Can't be going in houses of the vaccinated!
I do try to avoid them, most people would avoid medical experiments if they could, no?
You don't stalk very well, I don't have a business, try harder maybe?
Really!
I know what firm to avoid if I need decorating done!
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Wed 16 Jun 18:40
Can someone please explain how exactly the Pfizer and az vaccines are 'experimental'?
I recall reading the phase 3 trials were completed and had been significantly sped up by funding for analysis and the number of people willing to be part of the studies but I'm lost as to how it can still be deemed 'experimental'.
I generally write it off as a pretty lazy statement by those not wanting to be vaccinated (further compounded by the numbers now vaccinated) but interested to see a clear definition.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Jun 18:49
They're not "experimental". They're in "test" until 2023. The vaccine is well tested and approved for emergency use. Believe it or not, governments don't just approve things willy-nilly.
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Topic Originator: Parnott
Date: Wed 16 Jun 19:28
Is it true all the vaccine manfacturers are all exempt from future liability if any issues arrived?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Jun 19:38
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Parnott, Wed 16 Jun 19:28
Is it true all the vaccine manfacturers are all exempt from future liability if any issues arrived?
I believe there are still some things they'd be liable for but not for most side effects.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 16 Jun 19:44
‘They’re in test’ precisely, testing hasn’t completed yet.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Wed 16 Jun 19:59
Certain aspects are covered by the Vaccine Damages Payment Scheme(VDPS) which has been around since 1979 and covers most vaccines I believe?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Jun 20:19
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Berry, Wed 16 Jun 19:44
‘They’re in test’ precisely, testing hasn’t completed yet.
Which isn't uncommon tbh.
You realise all vaccines are monitored? You also realise these vaccines are monitored more than any vaccine ever has been? Worth having a read of the Public Health Scotland vaccine surveillance strategy.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 17 Jun 09:36
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parathletic, Wed 16 Jun 19:59
Certain aspects are covered by the Vaccine Damages Payment Scheme(VDPS) which has been around since 1979 and covers most vaccines I believe?
Yeah, our taxes pay that, not the pharmaceutical companies.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 17 Jun 09:43
Bless look at you all now talking about the test phases...I was savaged for piping up you were being tested on, rubbished.
They are only allowed to distribute the vaccine under emergency conditions, so they have to keep the emergency going, so 2023 before any normality and even then it requires a will from the clowns in charge to relinquish control.
And surprise surprise, young people, the latest vaccine targets are being blamed for the covid "epidemic" .
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Thu 17 Jun 10:51)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 17 Jun 11:06
The reason you're "savaged" (aw bless) is that you treat every other person on here with utter contempt, refusing to even consider others opinions, whilst spouting your absolute bile on an almost hourly basis.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 17 Jun 11:45
Whether you like it or not, all drugs are tested on humans. It's just been found today that there's a link to a well used blood pressure pill and cancer. There's a risk associated with everything you put into your body. The question is the level of risk of not having something Vs having something. So in this case you may die from cancer, but if you don't have the pill you may have a heart attack.
Exactly the same with COVID. If you have the jab you may die from a blood clot, if you don't have the jab you may die from COVID. All about balancing the risks and no-one is a coward or a sheep for taking either route.
Key thing should be ensuring factual information is shared rather than throwing insults around.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 17 Jun 15:33
I think it's worth repeating that the decision as to whether an individual should be vaccinated or not must remain his/her personal choice. That is paramount. If it's an informed choice, all the better.
I chose to be vaccinated but it's never entered my head to try and send the likes of Berry and Rasta on a guilt trip because they have reservations about these relatively new vaccines, for which we cannot know about any long term effects they may cause.
I would add the rider that I have far less sympathy for any smoker who refuses these vaccines on health grounds, even if it is still a personal choice.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 17 Jun 16:31
Missed a lot of this as been enjoy a terrific time at the Euros, pubs and meals out and I am now on the train to Wembley which is absolutely bouncing.
God I long for freedom.
A quick scan through shows a bit of a Rasta abuse (which sounds like a magic night on the weed) but a point does resonate
“Should I not be able to go food shopping, take the boy to the park and go watch my local team and support them? “
No evidence to support that ever happening
So tomorrow I’m going to the game you can show you have been vaccinated or just show you have taken a lateral flow test. Question; yes object to vaccine, does anyone object to making sure they are ok? (When it’s free)
My tickets for the lions at Murrayfield “recommended to take a test” no demand.
My lad had a cough at nursery last week so was sent home until tested. Seems proportionate to me albeit massively inconvenient.
So where exactly have we lost our freedom?
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 17 Jun 19:30
Hope you enjoy the game but if we win watch how you celebrate. If you are part of a group of Scotland fans you will be assumed to be in breach of a Section 35 and liable to arrest.
``Scotland Yard has now issued a Section 35 Dispersal Order today until 3pm on Saturday, in anticipation of `anti-social behaviour`.``
sammer
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 18 Jun 07:23
Royal Ascot, sigh.
They are pi55ing on our backs.
G7, leaders no social distancing or masks.....servants wear masks though.
All about the imagery.
At least we're accepting you're taking part in medical trials, you know where you stand now.
Well, you don't but you know what I mean.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 18 Jun 07:25
Quote:
P, Thu 17 Jun 16:31
Missed a lot of this as been enjoy a terrific time at the Euros, pubs and meals out and I am now on the train to Wembley which is absolutely bouncing.
God I long for freedom.
A quick scan through shows a bit of a Rasta abuse (which sounds like a magic night on the weed) but a point does resonate
“Should I not be able to go food shopping, take the boy to the park and go watch my local team and support them? “
No evidence to support that ever happening
So tomorrow I’m going to the game you can show you have been vaccinated or just show you have taken a lateral flow test. Question; yes object to vaccine, does anyone object to making sure they are ok? (When it’s free)
My tickets for the lions at Murrayfield “recommended to take a test” no demand.
My lad had a cough at nursery last week so was sent home until tested. Seems proportionate to me albeit massively inconvenient.
So where exactly have we lost our freedom?
Travel...restricted.
Did you miss lockdown?
No arts or live music.
Do I really have to list more?
Where have we lost our freedom?
Jesus wept.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 18 Jun 07:42
3rd wave lockdown pencilled in for September.
Any bets?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Fri 18 Jun 07:42)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 18 Jun 08:19
The evidence is pretty clear that many more people would have died if you had been allowed to go to some concerts.
Privileged much?
You continually greet about stuff but generate absolutely no reasonable alternative suggestions.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 18 Jun 09:27
That's because it's easy to point out problems and criticise.
Of course there will be a third wave in the autumn. That's like saying "I bet there will be an increase in cold and flu as we go through autumn" 🤦♂️
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 18 Jun 10:16
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 18 Jun 07:25
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P, Thu 17 Jun 16:31
Missed a lot of this as been enjoy a terrific time at the Euros, pubs and meals out and I am now on the train to Wembley which is absolutely bouncing.
God I long for freedom.
A quick scan through shows a bit of a Rasta abuse (which sounds like a magic night on the weed) but a point does resonate
“Should I not be able to go food shopping, take the boy to the park and go watch my local team and support them? “
No evidence to support that ever happening
So tomorrow I’m going to the game you can show you have been vaccinated or just show you have taken a lateral flow test. Question; yes object to vaccine, does anyone object to making sure they are ok? (When it’s free)
My tickets for the lions at Murrayfield “recommended to take a test” no demand.
My lad had a cough at nursery last week so was sent home until tested. Seems proportionate to me albeit massively inconvenient.
So where exactly have we lost our freedom?
Travel...restricted.
Did you miss lockdown?
No arts or live music.
Do I really have to list more?
Where have we lost our freedom?
Jesus wept.
What on earth are you slavering about - there was a band on in the pub last night!
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Fri 18 Jun 13:08
Talking about liabilities of pharmaceutical companies, don't forget the reputational risk along with the risk to share price of getting this wrong. Probably more significant to them.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 18 Jun 14:04
[3rd wave lockdown pencilled in for September. Any bets?]
Heavens above! We have a Nostradamus amongst us...
Pwick!
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sat 19 Jun 00:34
Little bit surprised at the complete lack of any distancing or mask usage in the venue I was in for the game tonight. Took me back to begin with after a year of avoiding people! It was mostly younger folks to be fair, who are mostly bullet proof. It took me back to the old days. Not surprised at the surge in cases, probably more so after tonight, but as long as hospital admissions / ICU / deaths numbers continue to flatline then we're getting out of this mess for sure.
This is my signature
Post Edited (Sat 19 Jun 00:38)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 19 Jun 00:39
Where were you tonight Milos?
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sat 19 Jun 00:42
I don't want to say, TBH, but a significant size venue in Fife.
This is my signature
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 19 Jun 08:46
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OzPar, Fri 18 Jun 14:04
[3rd wave lockdown pencilled in for September. Any bets?]
Heavens above! We have a Nostradamus amongst us...
Pwick!
Take the bet then?
Locked down by end of September, if not before.....if I'm right will you have the good grace to acknowledge it?
Nah because your stupid little ego will still be in denial.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 19 Jun 09:04
With deaths being at the level they are I would be really surprised if lock down happens again. Thankfully. Not sure folk travelling on the train and dancing around in London helps much....
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sat 19 Jun 21:08
I will say it again,smallpox, tb,whooping cough,bubonic plague,measles. A lot of us would not be here,had the said vaccinations,had not been discovered. Cannot understand, the logic against, vaccination. We did not have the luxury, of testing in days gone by,but we are still here.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 19 Jun 21:44
Judging by the lack of social distancing and facemasks at Ascot, I wonder if the rich are immune to everything, even Lizzie was there today without a facemask!
The "divide" getting more noticeable. 🤔😷🤬🤬🤬
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 19 Jun 21:48
"Divide" 😁
Wisny many facemasks on show in Leicester Square last night either, to balance things up.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sat 19 Jun 21:48)
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Sat 19 Jun 21:52
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Sat 19 Jun 22:05
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 19 Jun 22:42
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EEP, Sat 19 Jun 21:52
The divide meaning in about 2 weeks time there will be a massive rise like usual blaming the football fans but Ascot can mingle about… then the lockdown as there will be the London variant 😅
Absolute word salad
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sat 19 Jun 23:17
``I will say it again,smallpox, tb,whooping cough,bubonic plague,measles. A lot of us would not be here,had the said vaccinations,had not been discovered. Cannot understand, the logic against, vaccination. We did not have the luxury, of testing in days gone by,but we are still here.``
No need to say it again. The vaccinations you mention- and you missed out polio- were very significant in our lives, although I caught both measles and chickenpox in the viral summer of 1962 and have lived to tell the tale. That`s accepted by everyone on here.
What is not fully accepted is vaccines which have been rushed on to the market to deal with a pandemic that is lethal mainly to those over 80 years old. Anyone under that age has very good reason to ask why they should be inoculated, especially since no `flu vaccine has ever been able to prevent spread at any time in history. They are buying a pig in a poke. Already we are hearing talk of booster jags, an admission that the vaccine at present is not sufficient.
The experts that are giving us Astra Zenica (called Oxford until there were problems) are pf the same kind that approved Thalidomide. I would not trust them for one moment, especially given the money involved. If you think you need it: take it. If you are not sure: hang fire.
sammer
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sat 19 Jun 23:20
Thalidomide was not a vaccine,it was a badly,adviced drug.I would rather take,the side effects, of a vaccine ,rather than the more potent effect of the disease.
Post Edited (Sat 19 Jun 23:26)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 19 Jun 23:45
Thalidomide was over half a century ago and was a drug, not a vaccine.
Crazy as it sounds, how we develop pharmaceuticals has developed considerably since the 1960s. That doesn't mean mistakes don't happen, but we're talking about a vaccine that is essentially an upgrade of an existing vaccine base.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 19 Jun 23:49
Sammer how do you feel about Russia mandating that employers with public dealings must have at least 60% of staff vaccinated?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sun 20 Jun 09:45
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 18 Jun 07:42
3rd wave lockdown pencilled in for September.
Any bets?
I’m still waiting for you agreeing the offer of a £10k bet on your previous prediction that the unvaccinated will be held in internment camps within 4 years
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 20 Jun 10:51
Take the bet then?
Locked down by end of September, if not before.....if I`m right will you have the good grace to acknowledge it?
Nah because your stupid little ego will still be in denial.
Sure, I will take up your bet. Ten quid... twenty quid...? You choose.
However, the loser pays to a well known Pars charity.
Post Edited (Sun 20 Jun 19:27)
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Sun 20 Jun 19:51
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sat 19 Jun 21:44
Judging by the lack of social distancing and facemasks at Ascot, I wonder if the rich are immune to everything, even Lizzie was there today without a facemask!
The "divide" getting more noticeable. 🤔😷🤬🤬🤬
wasn't Ascot a trial event for the government downsouth or is that just certain football games and Wimbledon
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 20 Jun 20:03
Yes I think so as was Download
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sun 20 Jun 22:27
Rasta,
The 60% vaccination of public workers proposed was for Moscow area I think rather than Russia. I know the target list includes call centre workers amongst others and that several Russian pensioners (they retire at 55 here, or did till recently) will give up part time work rather than be vaccinated. There are legal challenges to the proposal as well. Over here the vaccine is Sputnik, the one bought by Orban to the fury of the EU so he could open up Budapest for football matches, but I have read or heard little about its effects for good or ill.
The argument about having a duty to your fellow citizen is something I am sure we all take seriously. However it is not a duty that can be turned on and off like a tap by the government of the day. Those of us who supported the coalminers in 1984 by striking in sympathy were told we were in breach of the law by the government, although Fife Council to be fair took no action against us. They were not so understanding when I was amongst a group of employees refusing to work in a building where asbestos was present: on that occasion we were threatened with dismissal. A similar story with the Poll Tax, when those refusing to pay alongside those who were unable to pay were hounded by Sheriff’s Officers and had wages arrested. In that instance Fife Council took 50p off me for the privilege.
So I remain sceptical when I am lectured by any government about my wider duty to the community or my fellow man. That doesn’t mean the case for being vaccinated can be ignored but as things stand I shall reserve my judgment.
sammer
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 20 Jun 23:05
I'm not sure how much of my own scepticism of the vaccine stems from my distrust of the UK Government. If BJ told me tomorrow was Monday, I would still need to check
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 21 Jun 10:27
So G7 and Ascot were trials?
Just add World government leaders and the Queen to make it look fair 🤔
How is Gove's new isolation trial getting on?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 21 Jun 13:56
Wonder if 20000 travelling fans without tickets was a trial?
Those in glass houses eh.....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 21 Jun 20:05
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P, Sun 20 Jun 09:45
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Rastapari, Fri 18 Jun 07:42
3rd wave lockdown pencilled in for September.
Any bets?
I’m still waiting for you agreeing the offer of a £10k bet on your previous prediction that the unvaccinated will be held in internment camps within 4 years
Show me?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 21 Jun 20:06
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 20 Jun 10:51
Take the bet then?
Locked down by end of September, if not before.....if I`m right will you have the good grace to acknowledge it?
Nah because your stupid little ego will still be in denial.
Sure, I will take up your bet. Ten quid... twenty quid...? You choose.
However, the loser pays to a well known Pars charity.
20, done.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 21 Jun 20:10
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Mon 21 Jun 10:27
So G7 and Ascot were trials?
Just add World government leaders and the Queen to make it look fair 🤔
How is Gove's new isolation trial getting on?
It's theatre to get people to accept tiers (sic) of freedom.... "elite bubbles" and the like...it's working...people on here defending 95 year old Liz cutting about with no mask on..
Hell, they even think her and Boris actually say down to tackle inequality 🤣🤣👊
And now there's the "booster" jags....nobody saw that coming🤣
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Mon 21 Jun 20:11)
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 21 Jun 21:36
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 21 Jun 22:03
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Mon 21 Jun 22:19
You know the rules...
Any sweary words in a post will always lead to the post being deleted and a card issued.
It's easy... Don't swear.
It's not difficult.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Tue 22 Jun 07:39
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 21 Jun 20:10
And now there's the "booster" jags....nobody saw that coming🤣
I'm not not sure the point you're trying to make on this. Viruses mutate and anti bodies don't last forever so it's common sense that there will be booster jags. The fact there's an annual flu vaccine, should have been a big clue.
The only way to avoid this is to eliminate the virus, which would require several rapid global vaccination cycles.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 22 Jun 18:04
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 20 May 09:30
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Wed 19 May 22:39
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Rastapari, Wed 19 May 14:42
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jake89, Wed 19 May 12:50
Out of interest, why would it benefit multiple world leaders to fabricate a story about COVID? Also, how would they ensure they hushed up thousands of clued up experts in this area?
I realise there's various theories about the moon landing, but that was one country and occurred before the internet existed. This would require multiple leaders and their cohorts to keep in line.
We'll start with 47 billion to their mates for a spreadsheet.....work ftom there yeah.
Plenty experts against the lockdowns are hushed on a daily basis, how much balance do you see in the news?
I often wonder why news appears so one
-sided, but I don't reckon there's anything funny going on, it's just that the MSM are somewhat lazy and don't feel the population can cope with a messy situation being presented - dumbed down, if you will.
There us literally no balance in the MSM, they are behaving like project fear.
How many reports do we see of people dying within a short time if getting the vaccine?
Not many because they simply do not matter, they were expected.
And now there's a full on assault on those being cautious with the experimental vaccines, "refuseniks" the latest name being banded about.
I wonder how long before they threaten us with camps....I'll say....within 4 years.
Show me - 1 of 2
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 22 Jun 18:07
Quote:
P, Thu 20 May 12:31
I will bet you any sum of money that you wish that there is no threat of camps for vaccine refusal within 4 years. Shall we put £10grand on it and you can pay me on 20th May 2025 👍🏼
2 of 2
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 22 Jun 18:08
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 21 Jun 20:05
Quote:
P, Sun 20 Jun 09:45
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 18 Jun 07:42
3rd wave lockdown pencilled in for September.
Any bets?
I’m still waiting for you agreeing the offer of a £10k bet on your previous prediction that the unvaccinated will be held in internment camps within 4 years
Show me?
£10k done yeah 👍🏼
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 22 Jun 18:45
Rasta owned 👏👏👏
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 23 Jun 12:52
Increase in millionaires as a result of property price rises and not going on holiday effectively.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 23 Jun 13:54
Quote:
P, Tue 22 Jun 18:04
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Rastapari, Thu 20 May 09:30
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Wed 19 May 22:39
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 19 May 14:42
Quote:
jake89, Wed 19 May 12:50
Out of interest, why would it benefit multiple world leaders to fabricate a story about COVID? Also, how would they ensure they hushed up thousands of clued up experts in this area?
I realise there's various theories about the moon landing, but that was one country and occurred before the internet existed. This would require multiple leaders and their cohorts to keep in line.
We'll start with 47 billion to their mates for a spreadsheet.....work ftom there yeah.
Plenty experts against the lockdowns are hushed on a daily basis, how much balance do you see in the news?
I often wonder why news appears so one
-sided, but I don't reckon there's anything funny going on, it's just that the MSM are somewhat lazy and don't feel the population can cope with a messy situation being presented - dumbed down, if you will.
There us literally no balance in the MSM, they are behaving like project fear.
How many reports do we see of people dying within a short time if getting the vaccine?
Not many because they simply do not matter, they were expected.
And now there's a full on assault on those being cautious with the experimental vaccines, "refuseniks" the latest name being banded about.
I wonder how long before they threaten us with camps....I'll say....within 4 years.
Show me - 1 of 2
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 23 Jun 13:57
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 22 Jun 18:45
Rasta owned 👏👏👏
Then you can be the one to point out where I agreed to ten grand, and we're still 3 years short.
You are a pathetically bitter man aren't you.
Well, I mean you've been taken in by it all so you have to be eh🤣🤣👊
Just you stick to doing what you're told.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 23 Jun 13:58
Quote:
jake89, Wed 23 Jun 12:52
Increase in millionaires as a result of property price rises and not going on holiday effectively.
Of course it is🤣🤣🤣
They can tell you anything🤣
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 23 Jun 16:34
From the article :-
Total global wealth grew by 7.4%, the report said.
Since the start of the 21st Century, the number of people with wealth between $10,000 and $100,000 had more than tripled in size from 507 million in 2000 to 1.7 billion in mid-2020.
They said the increase reflected the "growing prosperity of emerging economies, especially China
Now then is that no where it all started ??
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 23 Jun 16:38
10 grand to 100 grand. In other words hundreds of millions in China have bought themselves a house.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 23 Jun 18:24
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 23 Jun 13:58
Quote:
jake89, Wed 23 Jun 12:52
Increase in millionaires as a result of property price rises and not going on holiday effectively.
Of course it is🤣🤣🤣
They can tell you anything🤣
So realise this isn’t the case for everyone but since lockdown started Andover have been able to work from home, I’m defo
- healthier (eating properly from a kitchen and not canteen and time to make proper dinner and not oven processed stuff - also have hardly drunk alcohol which has made a big difference)
- fitter (no commuting meant more balance so using time to get fit and cycled a hilly 100 miles recently in just over 6 hours)
- happier (life is more about work and been able to spend quality time with direct family and taking up new hobbies, also hearing nature with less cars driving about)
And yes wealthier (no commuting costs, no office prices for coffee, lunch, no buying stuff for work, etc)
Post Edited (Wed 23 Jun 18:25)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 23 Jun 18:35
Quote:
DBP, Wed 23 Jun 18:24
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Rastapari, Wed 23 Jun 13:58
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jake89, Wed 23 Jun 12:52
Increase in millionaires as a result of property price rises and not going on holiday effectively.
Of course it is🤣🤣🤣
They can tell you anything🤣
So realise this isn’t the case for everyone but since lockdown started Andover have been able to work from home, I’m defo
- healthier (eating properly from a kitchen and not canteen and time to make proper dinner and not oven processed stuff - also have hardly drunk alcohol which has made a big difference)
- fitter (no commuting meant more balance so0 using time to get fit and cycled a hilly 100 miles recently in just over 6 hours)
- happier (life is more about work and been able to spend quality time with direct family and taking up new hobbies, also hearing nature with less cars driving about)
And yes wealthier (no commuting costs, no office prices for coffee, lunch, no buying stuff for work, etc)
That's great, it really is......you'll have read my figures of people I personally know that died due to the isolation, paused treatments etc.
Like you said, not the same for everyone eh.
Still doesn't want me to be part of the experiments.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 23 Jun 18:52
I'm sorry but when you see the pictures of Royal Ascot, unmasked, pi55ed and full of toffs having fun but parents can't go to sports day....it should make you angry...if it doesn’t.....find your spine...seriously.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 23 Jun 19:42
As far as I can see everyone has been sympathetic to your experience Rasta - even though it differs to that of most others.
That's a good friend of mine whose got a family member in hospital with Covid - sounds like it will finish them off. My friend is up the wall with concern. It's an awful virus when it hits the wrong person. It would be nice for you to show the same sympathy - as opposed to asking how we all seem to hang out with disease ridden people.
As for Ascot, you could read Wembley or Hampden or several other test events.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 23 Jun 21:28
Can you disprove what's been said, Rasta? Or provide an alternative reason?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 24 Jun 08:56
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 23 Jun 19:42
As far as I can see everyone has been sympathetic to your experience Rasta - even though it differs to that of most others.
That's a good friend of mine whose got a family member in hospital with Covid - sounds like it will finish them off. My friend is up the wall with concern. It's an awful virus when it hits the wrong person. It would be nice for you to show the same sympathy - as opposed to asking how we all seem to hang out with disease ridden people.
As for Ascot, you could read Wembley or Hampden or several other test events.
We're getting to the point people are screaming for unvaccinated to be segregated and have their lives taken away....those very same people proud to be part of a medical experiment that so far hasn't changed a thing...and won't.
They are now exerting that sense of separation on our kids.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 24 Jun 09:01
"Hasn't changed a thing and won't"
Aye, OK.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Thu 24 Jun 09:10
I went to see my local team play the Pars last night.
That wasn't an option for the same game a year ago.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Thu 24 Jun 12:03
"We`re getting to the point people are screaming for unvaccinated to be segregated and have their lives taken away....those very same people proud to be part of a medical experiment that so far hasn`t changed a thing...and won`t."
Most people, whether on here or in the wider community, are not screaming for that to happen.
The vaccine clearly has changed things. Maybe not as quickly as we would all like, but it is completely disingenuous to claim that. It is not even worth debating that there has been no change from the way we live our lives from, say, January.
Regardless, of the above. All I am asking is that you show some compassion for those who have lost people due to Covid - of which there are many.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 24 Jun 12:10
Still not answering my questions, Rasta?
Can I add this one? What evidence do you have of people screaming for segregation of vaccinated and non-vaccinated people?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 24 Jun 12:21
Quote:
jake89, Thu 24 Jun 12:10
Still not answering my questions, Rasta?
Can I add this one? What evidence do you have of people screaming for segregation of vaccinated and non-vaccinated people?
You answer none of mine, showing you the same courtesy.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 24 Jun 12:22
So hey, now we have accepted the vaccines are in trial phase, surely there has to be a control group, no?
How do you know you aren't in the control group and given a placebo?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 24 Jun 12:25
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 24 Jun 12:21
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jake89, Thu 24 Jun 12:10
Still not answering my questions, Rasta?
Can I add this one? What evidence do you have of people screaming for segregation of vaccinated and non-vaccinated people?
You answer none of mine, showing you the same courtesy.
What would you like me to answer? Ask away.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 24 Jun 13:28
Quote:
jake89, Thu 24 Jun 12:25
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 24 Jun 12:21
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jake89, Thu 24 Jun 12:10
Still not answering my questions, Rasta?
Can I add this one? What evidence do you have of people screaming for segregation of vaccinated and non-vaccinated people?
You answer none of mine, showing you the same courtesy.
What would you like me to answer? Ask away.
My previous question.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 24 Jun 14:14
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 24 Jun 12:22
So hey, now we have accepted the vaccines are in trial phase, surely there has to be a control group, no?
How do you know you aren't in the control group and given a placebo?
You are showing just how ignorant of vaccine development and testing you are.
Phase 1 trial assesses the safety of a vaccine.
Phase 2 trial assesses the efficacy ie. How well it works.
Phase 3 is a combination of the trials carried out in phase 1 and 2 repeated.
We are now is Phase 4 of the vaccine which is post market surveillance, used to track that the safety and efficacy data gathered in the previous trial remain accurate. It also tracks transmission and any adverse reactions.
This happens and has happened with ever single vaccine ever produced.
Placebos are not given when in phase 4.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Thu 24 Jun 15:55
140,000 people at Silverstone next month apparently. Probably not all Earls and Baronesses judging by the guys I know that often head there for the Grand Prix.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 24 Jun 16:48
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 24 Jun 14:14
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 24 Jun 12:22
So hey, now we have accepted the vaccines are in trial phase, surely there has to be a control group, no?
How do you know you aren't in the control group and given a placebo?
You are showing just how ignorant of vaccine development and testing you are.
Phase 1 trial assesses the safety of a vaccine.
Phase 2 trial assesses the efficacy ie. How well it works.
Phase 3 is a combination of the trials carried out in phase 1 and 2 repeated.
We are now is Phase 4 of the vaccine which is post market surveillance, used to track that the safety and efficacy data gathered in the previous trial remain accurate. It also tracks transmission and any adverse reactions.
This happens and has happened with ever single vaccine ever produced.
Placebos are not given when in phase 4.
Take it upwith with Pfizer, it's their website that claims contrary to what you say....oh and an ex employee of Astrazenica, they weren't too complimentary about the "testing",so much so they left their job.
Dress it any way you want, you're an experiment.
Curious how it all doesn't affect the wealthy, not that you're going to look at inconsistencies, you're all in for the constant lockdowns.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Thu 24 Jun 16:54)
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Thu 24 Jun 17:15
Here's an idea... Just for giggles let's accept that we all have different opinions on all of this and live and let live.
Cos this thread is beginning to look like a primary school argument.
Mon guys... Sort it out eh
Admin
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 24 Jun 17:45
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 24 Jun 12:22
So hey, now we have accepted the vaccines are in trial phase, surely there has to be a control group, no?
How do you know you aren't in the control group and given a placebo?
I'll assume you mean this one?
It is in test phase 4 rather than "trial phase". The phases are fairly standard:
1. Research phase
2. Safety phase
3. Effectiveness phase
4. Approval phase
As already highlighted, the vaccines were fast tracked meaning phase 4 has effectively been bypassed to some extent. This is based on risk analysis, which takes into account phases 1-3.
Suggestion of people receiving a placebo is a baseless suggestion.
Now, can you answer any of my questions?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 24 Jun 17:47
Didn't spot SIF already replied with effectively the same answer🤦♂️
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma
Date: Thu 24 Jun 17:53
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Thu 24 Jun 15:55
140,000 people at Silverstone next month apparently. Probably not all Earls and Baronesses judging by the guys I know that often head there for the Grand Prix.
Only 1000 allowed into knockhill for brottsg superbikes around the same time.
But of a farce only allowing 1000 fans into such a massive space
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 24 Jun 18:02
The inconsistencies don't really relate to wealth. It's more the profile. The inconsistencies are at all levels - I can't go to East End Park but I can go on a pub crawl round the town, I can go to Barrhead Travel but I can't book a holiday, I can't take the kids to softplay in Edinburgh but parents in Edinburgh can take their kids to softplay in Dunfermline.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 24 Jun 18:09
Quote:
widtink, Thu 24 Jun 17:15
Here's an idea... Just for giggles let's accept that we all have different opinions on all of this and live and let live.
Cos this thread is beginning to look like a primary school argument.
Mon guys... Sort it out eh
You say live and let live but if people followed the opinions of other willfully ignorant people spreading misinformation then they can potentially die or infect someone innocent and kill them.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Thu 24 Jun 20:56
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Thu 24 Jun 21:40
Widtink……. Just for giggles… it’s no a primary 1 class your moderating ffs!
Sure feels like it sometimes
Let`s try making it till Christmas
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