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 Census - online returns
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 2 Mar 20:46

Has anybody else had a problem accessing the form online ?

After I entered the unique household ID code it asked for a password - but I haven`t got one, nor will it allow me to register one.

Maybe I`m missing something obvious ?

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Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Wed 2 Mar 21:04

Quote:

veteraneastender, Wed 2 Mar 20:46

Has anybody else had a problem accessing the form online ?

After I entered the unique household ID code it asked for a password - but I haven`t got one, nor will it allow me to register one.

Maybe I`m missing something obvious ?


Strange VEE, I`ve just logged on for first time using code and it`s asked me to create a password. Any chance anyone in house has already logged on?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 2 Mar 21:10

vee the second last code is a digit 0 not a letter o if that helps Also the census is a nightmare it takes a good 4 minutes per person and some of the questions are contradictions of the previous question and are daft in the extreme

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Wed 2 Mar 22:01

I’ll try again.

Get the feeling the paper version might work better.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 3 Mar 08:38

It’s a year late. Covid supposedly, yet rest of UK managed fine.
Cant be all that important then, I’ll put it in the pending tray along with the fire alarm guff

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Topic Originator: GG4  
Date:   Thu 3 Mar 13:37

I got mine yesterday and filed it under `bin`.

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Topic Originator: adampar1  
Date:   Fri 4 Mar 00:42

GG4 - It’s still a crime not to complete it so you might have to fish it out of that bin…

https://census.gov.uk/help/do-i-have-to-do-the-census/what-happens-if-i-dont-do-the-census

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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 4 Mar 10:01

I’ve seen no explanation why England Wales and NI were able to carry out their census as planned last year despite covid, yet we couldn’t?

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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Fri 4 Mar 12:04

For someone who doesn’t think it’s important, you seem very concerned why it’s being completed in 2022 as opposed to 2021?
Ate you concerned that we’re capturing a demographic snapshot of the country after 10.75 years as opposed to 10?
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 4 Mar 13:35

Not sure what real difference it makes when it`s done. You`re essentially comparing one period with another. General population trends are monitored far more regularly than the census anyway.

The only benefit would be if you thought you could hide some failings, but those failings won`t disappear in a few months and are probably already recorded anyway (things like increased levels of child poverty).
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Topic Originator: GG4  
Date:   Fri 4 Mar 20:59

Thanks Adam par. I have a choice and it`s been binned. I don`t agree with data harvesting.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 4 Mar 22:23

Government will be "data harvesting" details of those who don`t complete the census.

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Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Sat 5 Mar 00:35

Completed the census,nothing untoward about it.Justs asks ,pretty basic information.Some people, are just down right, anti,how dare they ask me anything.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 5 Mar 05:25

Quote:

twin par, Sat 5 Mar 00:35

Completed the census,nothing untoward about it.Justs asks ,pretty basic information.Some people, are just down right, anti,how dare they ask me anything.


Yet happily scan their clubcard, use bank cards, complete Facebook quizzes and surf the net using Chrome...
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Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Sat 5 Mar 08:04

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jake89, Sat 5 Mar 05:25

Quote:

twin par, Sat 5 Mar 00:35

Completed the census,nothing untoward about it.Justs asks ,pretty basic information.Some people, are just down right, anti,how dare they ask me anything.


Yet happily scan their clubcard, use bank cards, complete Facebook quizzes and surf the net using Chrome...


Exactly. The story of data harvesting is interesting and can become quite tricky. Walmart used to run targeted marketing until they were caught out.
A family was receiving very specific marketing of baby products to which the father of the family took Walmart to task as his wife wasn’t pregnant. The details I cannot remember of how it came to light in the public arena; litigation probably. Anyway it came to light that his young daughter was pregnant and Walmart were off the hook. The data science was correct and opened up the whole public debate on privacy. But let’s not fool ourselves that every transaction and behaviour is not being monitored. For example. The majority of people will try to turn right when entering a supermarket. So why not place all your high margin products there for those unwitting customers to buy, and we do! Human behaviourists love the data science and it will not go away unless the majority of people change their behaviour, and that will never happen. COVID taught us all that and more.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Sat 5 Mar 13:02

Regarding the lingo questions I don’t think Gaelic would be much use to me, or the other 99% in Scotland. All road and rail signs are also in English though, most helpful for locals and tourists from here and abroad trying to find their way from Inverness to Auchtershuggle.
I grew up in a colony of Wartime expats from Geordieland, also Janners,Sand dancers, and whatever the shipwrights etc of Portsmouth and Chatham called themselves.
So Scots passed me by. Is there a dictionary.?

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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sat 5 Mar 15:22

For native English speakers, Very few languages are worth learning in reality… so you may as well learn a language that improves your own understanding of your own language, or your history (eg where our place names come from) and Gaelic certainly does that - as well as keeping your brain active etc so it works actually be good for you in that respect
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 5 Mar 15:50

I assume the refuseniks can always enter whatever untruthful nonsense that suits their agenda ?

Gaelic is useful for watching fitba on BBC Alba - how else would you know their words for offside etc. !!!

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 5 Mar 17:47

Plasterboard .. comes across as Plesterbord or maybe just the accent vee ?

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Topic Originator: DBA  
Date:   Sat 5 Mar 18:53

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Buspasspar, Wed 2 Mar 21:10

vee the second last code is a digit 0 not a letter o if that helps Also the census is a nightmare it takes a good 4 minutes per person and some of the questions are contradictions of the previous question and are daft in the extreme


Do you think you`ll ever recover from the 4 mins per person?
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 5 Mar 19:16

I found it odd that, having stated I lived in a detached home, it asks me if I have a front door only used by my household. Who else would be using it?!
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 5 Mar 21:03

"Plasterboard .. comes across as Plesterbord or maybe just the accent vee ?"

Once you`ve been on the swally........ maybe ?

The number 0 /letter O wasn`t a problem...............still not sure why the password was an issue...............ignorance is bliss !!!

I have a copy of an extract from the local census of 1841 - street address, names and ages of the residents in each house - that`s your lot.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 5 Mar 22:24

Topic Originator: DBA like
Date: Sat 5 Mar 18:53

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Buspasspar, Wed 2 Mar 21:10

vee the second last code is a digit 0 not a letter o if that helps Also the census is a nightmare it takes a good 4 minutes per person and some of the questions are contradictions of the previous question and are daft in the extreme


Do you think you`ll ever recover from the 4 mins per person?

If truth be told DBA it was probably 6 minutes each and we are getting auld but how nice was that for you to show concern for the care in the community .. bless you my son ..

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 Re: Census - online returns
Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Sun 6 Mar 12:54

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Parboiled, Sat 5 Mar 13:02
So Scots passed me by. Is there a dictionary.?


Aye, a few.

Collins Scots Dictionary [Amazon]

Ye`ll need tae git yer ain.

Wikipedia in Scots an` a`: https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page - the free encyclopaedia that awbody can eedit.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Mon 7 Mar 11:25

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veteraneastender, Sat 5 Mar 21:03

"Plasterboard .. comes across as Plesterbord or maybe just the accent vee ?"

Once you`ve been on the swally........ maybe ?

The number 0 /letter O wasn`t a problem...............still not sure why the password was an issue...............ignorance is bliss !!!

I have a copy of an extract from the local census of 1841 - street address, names and ages of the residents in each house - that`s your lot.


You mean it doesn`t tell us if they identify as being men, women or an other gender, or as being a show man or show woman?
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 7 Mar 13:30

It`s asked because it`s helpful in planning.

For example, if it`s found there are only 50 people in Fife who speak only German, then little resource will go into translating leaflets and things into German. If it`s 50,000 then they would.

In terms of any questions around sexuality, this will also help in terms of businesses planning.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Mon 7 Mar 14:46

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red-star-par, Mon 07 Mar 11:25

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veteraneastender, Sat 5 Mar 21:03

"Plasterboard .. comes across as Plesterbord or maybe just the accent vee ?"

Once you`ve been on the swally........ maybe ?

The number 0 /letter O wasn`t a problem...............still not sure why the password was an issue...............ignorance is bliss !!!

I have a copy of an extract from the local census of 1841 - street address, names and ages of the residents in each house - that`s your lot.


You mean it doesn`t tell us if they identify as being men, women or an other gender, or as being a show man or show woman?


It was sexist, the head of household was respondent and obliged to complete the information - except where a widow was the family head.

I’ve no idea what a show man (2 words) means, or show woman either !!!

These census returns were submitted in longhand, then transcribed the same way - there are numerous examples of misspellings etc.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 7 Mar 19:52

A showman is a circus person. If you don`t know what it is then it`s unlikely you are one 😂

It should say showman/woman.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Mon 7 Mar 20:47

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jake89, Sat 05 Mar 19:16

I found it odd that, having stated I lived in a detached home, it asks me if I have a front door only used by my household. Who else would be using it?!


Aren’t some large detached properties sub-divided into smaller flats ? That might explain the question ?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Mon 7 Mar 21:33

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jake89, Mon 07 Mar 19:52

A showman is a circus person. If you don`t know what it is then it`s unlikely you are one 😂

It should say showman/woman.


All is revealed !!!

In this PC era that should be showperson presumably ?

I wondered if it was one of these new categories of ethic groupings that have appeared on census questions.

Incidentally, In the USA, “the show” has no connection to circus people.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 8 Mar 07:57

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veteraneastender, Mon 7 Mar 20:47

Quote:

jake89, Sat 05 Mar 19:16

I found it odd that, having stated I lived in a detached home, it asks me if I have a front door only used by my household. Who else would be using it?!


Aren’t some large detached properties sub-divided into smaller flats ? That might explain the question ?


Could be. I`d simply say they`re flats but it may be a detached house that`s been converted into studios.

Showman/woman is what they go by. It`s a relatively recent addition.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Tue 8 Mar 08:36

from google :-
a person who produces or presents shows as a profession, especially the proprietor, manager, or MC of a circus, fair, or other variety show.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 14 Mar 16:54

I`ve just completed it. I said I did understand Scots, like ken.

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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Tue 15 Mar 09:10

Gaelic is a language spoken by hardly anyone outside the heilands and islands.
Scots should be plastered on signs, buildings, and cop cars instead, even though it’s not a language

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 15 Mar 09:35

If Scots isn`t a language why does it have its own dictionaries? Could a non-native English speaker understand Scots?

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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 15 Mar 17:49

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Parboiled, Tue 15 Mar 09:10

Gaelic is a language spoken by hardly anyone outside the heilands and islands.
Scots should be plastered on signs, buildings, and cop cars instead, even though it’s not a language


I suppose we`ll get a definitive answer from the census
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 15 Mar 18:53

The problem is Scots is too easily understood by a non-Scots speaker whereas gaelic is much harder.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 15 Mar 19:01

Sorry but I`ve no idea what "Scots" is.

However I did get o grade and higher English.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 15 Mar 20:25

If you complete the Census online - which is the subject of the thread after all - there`s a video available explaining what the Scots language is with loads of examples to help people to answer the questions about it.

Maybe we should all just speak American English and forget about our roots.

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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Tue 15 Mar 21:20

Agreed, or let’s all just use mandarin if what’s important is the number off speakers
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 15 Mar 21:28

Eck - what was the question re Scots? Was it not just whether you spoke it or not? I can`t remember

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 15 Mar 23:23

Can you speak it, read it, understand it, write it, I think.

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Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Wed 16 Mar 08:41

Euronews: Dinnae haud yer wheesht: Scots language campaigners speak up for census return
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 16 Mar 09:17

Interesting article; thanks for that, fcda.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 16 Mar 23:44

What a lot of absolute nonsense

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: Census - online returns
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 17 Mar 07:39

What`s nonsense about it da?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 17 Mar 10:32

It`s like Geordie/Scouse/Klingon. What a huge waste of time asking.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 17 Mar 10:47

Aren`t Geordie and Scouse accents rather than languages? And Klingon is fictitious of course, like the languages kids make up to communicate in secret.

Some folk like to deny the existence of different languages within the UK because it doesn`t fit with their idea that we`re all one nation rather than a union of nations.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 17 Mar 11:13

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wee eck, Thu 17 Mar 10:47

Aren`t Geordie and Scouse accents rather than languages? And Klingon is fictitious of course, like the languages kids make up to communicate in secret.

Some folk like to deny the existence of different languages within the UK because it doesn`t fit with their idea that we`re all one nation rather than a union of nations.


When was the last time you said, or more importantly wrote/typed, the words "dinny haud yet weesht" or anything like it.

A total waste of time and money. Similar to the Gaelic decal on the ambulances/police cars.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 17 Mar 11:24

Make up your mind! Is Scots a language or is it just a waste of money to ask questions about it in a census? I can`t believe anyone would get so worked up about this. The marginal cost of including these questions in a census return which already exists must be minimal. You could question the use any of the data gleaned from any census but they`ve been done for years and the information is obviously useful for planning purposes.

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Topic Originator: Kaiser Chief  
Date:   Thu 17 Mar 11:57

There are more than 4000 Gaelic speakers in Fife alone.....just saying.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 17 Mar 12:13

Scots is definitely a language and the reason it asks about this is so they can make a call on things many consider a waste of time like Gaelic road signs. So they do need to ask otherwise there`s no evidence of need, only assumed need.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 17 Mar 19:17

"There are more than 4000 Gaelic speakers in Fife alone.....just saying."

How do they calculate that - and who confirms the accuracy of these stats ?

Genuine question.

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Topic Originator: Kaiser Chief  
Date:   Thu 17 Mar 20:06

https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.fife.gov.uk%2fkb%2fdocs%2farticles%2fcommunity-life2%2fgaelic-language&c=E,1,cVxlS3ysMdcSMIm8tFhKDcVy10B7t461QVK8ibH1V90UBXxXeTSnZRMckT65jricCd51nHnDSFdUkcXfjMdPOvfbb02eoGW3PJDGKIS0cGYnAPjk1RwqcElsUQ75&typo=1&ancr_add=1
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 17 Mar 20:50

So Dunfermline and Rosyth are effectively Gaelic names!

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 17 Mar 22:03

Dunfermline translates as hill (Dun) by the Lyne (Line) Burn (Ferm).

Duloch, which is always mispronounced DULL-OCH, is named after the Dubh (Doo) Loch.

The names mean little about modern day Dunfermline. Go back a bit further and the people spoke Pictish, which is thought to be more like Welsh.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 17 Mar 22:43

Fascinating stuff. I`ll sleep tonight

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Ghoulz  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 01:06

We all did exactly as we were asked and the system worked well and we have not been disadvantaged.

Some people are just afraid of authority. Bizarre.

Your friendly neighbourhood Ghoulz.


The Whole Story of The Famous Kinema Ballroom
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 08:49

The Gaelic stats were taken from the most recent census - where people can indicate just about anything in their return, with no verification.

Very scientific.

BTW - no issues with people learning Gaelic, or any other language for that matter.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 10:06

You could say the same about any information people give in a census. Why single out Gaelic? How else would you `verify` it?

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Topic Originator: Kaiser Chief  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 10:13

A few years ago DAFC facilitated an `Introduction to Gaelic` evening as part of the Outwith arts festival. The idea was to use football as the catalyst and the event was presented by BBC Alba sports commentator Hugh Dan McLennan. He used footage from games on that channel to give a brief insight into the language. It was good fun and some of our younger players at the time came along and joined in.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 11:25

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wee eck, Fri 18 Mar 10:06

You could say the same about any information people give in a census. Why single out Gaelic? How else would you `verify` it?


Which is what I said.

I wasn’t singling out Gaelic for any specific reason other than it’s questionable how these stats were produced.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 12:18

You still haven`t told us how to `verify` any information given in response to a survey. I just find it a curious thing to say.

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Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 12:43

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veteraneastender, Fri 18 Mar 11:25
I wasn’t singling out Gaelic for any specific reason other than it’s questionable how these stats were produced.


To turn that round, why would someone lie about speaking Gaelic on their census?
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 13:05

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fcda, Fri 18 Mar 12:43

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veteraneastender, Fri 18 Mar 11:25
I wasn’t singling out Gaelic for any specific reason other than it’s questionable how these stats were produced.


To turn that round, why would someone lie about speaking Gaelic on their census?


Or to take even further - you can lie about anything on the census but why would you?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 13:24

The key aspect is what level of competency constitutes speaking Gaelic ?

I did some French at school - first visit there I could hardly understand a word.

Native tongue is one thing - night school classes is a different scenario.

Saying there are 4000 fluent Gaelic speakers in Fife is a dubious claim - just an opinion.
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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 13:37

As someone said if there are 40000 people who are learning in fife and they signal that on the census - so what?

There may be some of the money put aside for Gaelic assigned to those learners and we see more language opportunities for them - cool!

I don’t actually think there are any night classes anyway in fife which I think is pretty poor
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 17:46

There are Gaelic schools though. So if you see a demand for learning Gaelic in Fife then perhaps funding would be released to support one?

And before anyone says anything, the existing Gaelic schools are pretty successful and the research suggests learning Gaelic is helpful in terms of learning further languages.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 18:07

We should have been taught Gaelic in primary .. best age to learn

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 18:32

And our own Jake… we may have stopped speaking it but its influence is in all our place names, a lot of our words and names and even the way we speak English

Also learning any additional language improves your understanding of your own and makes it easy to pick up a third
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Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 18:34

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Buspasspar, Fri 18 Mar 18:07

We should have been taught Gaelic in primary .. best age to learn


Agree, would have been nice to take in some of the episodes of `Padraig Post` and to understand wtf was going on in Dotaman.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 19:58

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DBP, Fri 18 Mar 18:32

And our own Jake… we may have stopped speaking it but its influence is in all our place names, a lot of our words and names and even the way we speak English

Also learning any additional language improves your understanding of your own and makes it easy to pick up a third


Definitely. The issue seems to be people politicising it. I used to work beside a guy who sent his daughter to the Gaelic school in Edinburgh. He was English and smart enough to put aside all the nationalist/unionist nonsense and see it was beneficial to his daughters education.
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Topic Originator: shrek par  
Date:   Fri 18 Mar 20:52

My friends father from Durness, who is a fluent gaelic speaker. Didn`t speak english till he went to the `big school` in Kinlochbervie was recently invited to Edinburgh university to record him speaking in his durnesian dialect of gaelic. Apparently lots of `bad words` were recorded for posterity.Bizarrely not speaking English till he was 11 didn`t affect his career as a journalist.

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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 19 Mar 10:48

"I used to work beside a guy who sent his daughter to the Gaelic school in Edinburgh. He was English and smart enough to put aside all the nationalist/unionist nonsense and see it was beneficial to his daughters education."

Are these not a form of selective education schools favoured by the middle classes - as near to a so called public school as you`ll find in the state funded system ?

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 19 Mar 11:53

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veteraneastender, Sat 19 Mar 10:48

"I used to work beside a guy who sent his daughter to the Gaelic school in Edinburgh. He was English and smart enough to put aside all the nationalist/unionist nonsense and see it was beneficial to his daughters education."

Are these not a form of selective education schools favoured by the middle classes - as near to a so called public school as you`ll find in the state funded system ?


Well my view is private school is a complete and utter waste of money unless it`s a school that excels in a particular field (sport, music, language etc).

Tbh, if Fife had a Gaelic school and you wanted to send them to a "better" school then just buy a 2 bed semi in Duloch and send your kids to the second most affluent primary in the region! Of course that then disregards the proven educational benefits of learning a second language.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sat 19 Mar 13:04

The reality is that most private schools do excel in these areas.

So do the state schools in affluent localities.

You don’t need to go to a top rated secondary to learn a second language.

Although from recent stats, the uptake in the more popular ones is falling off.
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