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 Picket lines
Topic Originator: babs woodhouse  
Date:   Wed 16 Nov 12:15

with the chance of a winter of strikes including at my own workplace
Is there anyone you think would cross a picket line?
Times are tough and losing a couple of days pay may be the difference between eating or not especially for those with kids
should the unions have a hardship fund to help out?

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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: istvan kozma  
Date:   Wed 16 Nov 20:14

Cross a picket line from your own union and it`ll never be forgotten.

KOZMA


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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 16 Nov 20:44

Shouldn`t give people crossing a picket line a hard time. Very few do it out of spite. I used to work with a woman who crossed the picket line twice when we went on strike. She was the main earner for the family and her husband had run up secret debts. She couldn`t afford to lose the pay.
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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: istvan kozma  
Date:   Wed 16 Nov 21:00

No. I don`t think they`ll get a hard time. Assuming they never voted for strike action in the first place.

KOZMA


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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: pars4life1  
Date:   Wed 16 Nov 21:33

Being a scab is really something to be avoided as much as possible. It’s hard to judge everyone as their individual circumstances is never really known, but it’s best to reach out for to your fellow workers for support before you undermine them, that’s should be at least clear any misunderstandings up.

If your really really can’t afford to strike there’s still many ways to support your fellow workers.

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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: EastEndTales  
Date:   Thu 17 Nov 06:22

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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: babs woodhouse  
Date:   Thu 17 Nov 07:21

Speaking to some of the office staff and the opinions seam to differ between the men and women
One lady made the point that in this day and age there is no place for intimidation and bullying in the workplace people should be able to work if they choose
the men seamed more concerned with the stigma of being called a scab
a few said they would just put in holidays and get round it that way

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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 17 Nov 09:34

Quote:

EastEndTales, Thu 17 Nov 06:22

Only in Airdrie...


Wonder who that may be?🤔
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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 17 Nov 10:28

Hard to argue against the point raised by the women in Babs office.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Thu 17 Nov 10:56

Do we live in a democracy or not?

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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: dafc  
Date:   Thu 17 Nov 13:41

If your union is asking that you strike you should support union and colleagues otherwise leave union.

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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Thu 17 Nov 15:04

Quote:

dafc, Thu 17 Nov 13:41

If your union is asking that you strike you should support union and colleagues otherwise leave union.


And don`t take the wage increase fought for by your work colleagues and the union.
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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 18 Nov 10:10

"Fought for......."

😁😁😁

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Fri 18 Nov 10:24

Quote:

dafc, Thu 17 Nov 13:41

If your union is asking that you strike you should support union and colleagues otherwise leave union.


Carp.
Im all for unions and would support them in good causes but I am very rarely in favour of strikes.

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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: DulochConvert  
Date:   Fri 18 Nov 15:56

In my work we have 2 unions representing different staff, which could creates the problem when the more militant union goes out but the other one doesn’t. Fortunately we are allowed turn up for work but told to not cross the other’s picket line.
As for Scabing, that will go with you the rest of your days, we have boys who Scabed during the miners strikes, 20 years before they joined us but everyone knows they are Scabs.

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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: istvan kozma  
Date:   Fri 18 Nov 17:21

Unions should work together. Disruption will be caused. One union goes into work the other doesn't. No hassle

KOZMA




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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Fri 18 Nov 18:29

Striking is by far the best negotiating tool that workers have.

By the withdrawal of labour you are forcing your employer to appreciate your full value as an asset and, in doing so, better leveraging that value.

It is merely capitalism in action.


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 18 Nov 19:06

Everyone acting in the own, or groups, self interest. Eventually the self interest of both sides will balance out and an agreement will be reached. The invisible hand doing its thing.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Fri 18 Nov 20:12

I love living on a planet where Elon Musk and an Afghani farmer exist as part of the same mighty system, the invisible hand is truly a great provider for all.


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 18 Nov 20:55

Well that is merely capitalism in action.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Fri 18 Nov 23:03

Exactly. Wonderful, right?


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: broontroot  
Date:   Fri 18 Nov 23:30

Quote:

da_no_1, Fri 18 Nov 10:10

"Fought for......."

😁😁😁


Correct , fought for !!!!

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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Sat 19 Nov 12:36

If it goes as far as a strike, then the union has already failed.

An individual can already withdraw his/her labour, so the point of a union is to negotiate a better deal so that they don’t have to.

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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Sat 19 Nov 14:33

I agree that the need to strike should never be an easy choice, however the notion that employers can act with strategic intent (through board meetings, government, the CBI, etc) whilst workers must only act as individuals seems unfair, no?


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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 Re: Picket lines
Topic Originator: Wedge  
Date:   Tue 22 Nov 12:55

I think we have to be very careful and words like scab for an initial strike is not appropriate. Long term strikes are very different to short term industrial action. You have to also consider the significant reduction in workers rights that lead to an individuals decision. As others have said voting for strikes and supporting a unions mandate is more important than the walk out itself.

Those however on temporary contracts are in a far worse position now, unlike full time members of staff. They of course forgo the days pay but unlike full time workers if they strike under current government rules for temporary staff this may make them unable to claim sick leave, maternity cover and get rid of any years service and unable to have their contract made permanent.

This is why so many companies and councils only provide temporary contracts so before you judge those crossing the picket take a moment to reflect on the appalling standards, rules and cost of living that is forcing them to take the difficult decision to cross that line. They may be supporting you fully but have to attend the workplace to protect much more than you give up.

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