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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sun 29 Jan 17:32
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sun 29 Jan 17:17
Aye right.. get him named lets all see him .. then lets hang him by the neck until dead
No apologies if that sounds extreme ..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-64445537
Age is no barrier to murder. It should be no barrier to naming the murderer
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 29 Jan 17:38
What about the murderers (possible) wee sister? Does she deserve the attention she`d receive? Or the grannie? Or his classmates at school?
You`ve read a tabloid, right? You know how they behave.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 29 Jan 17:52
Trying to protect a murderers Family .. naw Son
Lets imagine he could be an age to be named They would still have been subjected to the same public exposure
What are the poor Lassies Parents Grandparents Sisters Brothers Friends going through right now ?
Post Edited (Mon 30 Jan 08:24)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 29 Jan 17:56
Quote:
Wotsit, Sun 29 Jan 17:38
What about the murderers (possible) wee sister? Does she deserve the attention she`d receive? Or the grannie? Or his classmates at school?
You`ve read a tabloid, right? You know how they behave.
He should have thought about that before he committed the crime...
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 29 Jan 18:39
Aye maybe OP Thanks for the sound advice
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 29 Jan 19:09
What did his family do?
Your vengeance fetish isn`t going to help anybody, you need to take a breath.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sun 29 Jan 19:22
What difference would it make knowing who he is? The people around there, those genuinely affected by this, will know.
This reminds me a bit of the Jamie Bulger case, where some people were effortlessly able to make that mental flip from:
Killing a child is the worst thing anyone could possibly do
to:
Kill the children
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 29 Jan 19:32
OK Guys got it .. sorry for the concern
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 29 Jan 19:39
Topic Originator: Wotsit like
Date: Sun 29 Jan 19:09
What did his family do?
Your vengeance fetish isn`t going to help anybody, you need to take a breath.
Post Edited (Mon 30 Jan 07:19)
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Topic Originator: Aylesbury_Par
Date: Sun 29 Jan 20:10
I think it is obvious who is the Erse on this thread!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 29 Jan 20:57
OK AP Will accept that ..
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 29 Jan 21:17
I think it`s the law that`s an erse.
The legal protection for 16 year old offenders being named isn`t to protect their family, it is to protect them isn`t it?
If I murder at 18 and my sister is 13 or my granny is a nice lady should that prevent me from being named?
Folk need to be accountable for their actions, particularly when it results in taking someone`s life. If you can`t tell by 16 that stabbing someone to death isn`t the right way to behave then chuck away the key.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sun 29 Jan 21:25
Oh aye let’s name him then sit back and watch the carnage unfold as a direct result his younger siblings bullied to the point where they feel the only way to escape it is by taking their own life that’s ok though right because the wee scumbag should have thought about that or better yet some lunatic takes matters into their own hands and fire bombs his parents house or grandparents house in an act of revenge killing the kin the process who cares though eh they are related to a murderer so probably deserve it right
in short take yourself to **** ya daft auld goat
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 29 Jan 22:32
So, like Ipswich said, should that anonymity apply to offenders of all ages?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 29 Jan 22:34
If he`s 16 then why is it anonymous?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 30 Jan 06:02
I`m no legal expert but presumably there are valid reasons why this particular law is in place. Perhaps someone with genuine knowledge and understanding of it can explain for us as all I`ve read on this thread so far is conjecture and supposition.
The Jamie Bulger case was mentioned further up. Did the judge not make an exception then and named his killers, even though they were only 11 or 12 at the time?
Will this boy not be named if/when he is convicted of the crime he is accused of? It`s difficult to believe it wasn`t premeditated, or did he habitually walk around with a knife in his pocket? All will come out at the trial, meanwhile let`s all calm down and not turn this thread into the pages of a rabid tabloid.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 30 Jan 08:29
Good post GG .. time will tell
I apologise to Wotsit for getting a bit carried away last night
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 30 Jan 09:51
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/reporting-restrictions-children-and-young-people-victims-witnesses-and-defendants
Some good info on the logic behind decisions on here. It`s worth noting that the anonymity isn`t always to protect the accused (although it often is), it can also be to protect the identities of victims and potential witnesses (its one thing a few locals knowing its another having full national media attention).
Personally I`d prefer to see anonymity for all persons of all ages involved in trials of a serious nature up until a verdict has been reached.
If someone is guilty they could have their details released assuming there are no other reasons to withhold the info but if they were not guilty there should be the right to continued anonymity as accusations can stick and ruin folks lives.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 30 Jan 10:18
Far too sensible, rational and logical for this forum, lpf. 😉
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 30 Jan 11:00
Sometimes the police though want to name the suspect as it can lead to more evidence being gathered and more victims coming forward. I`m sure that`s what happened with scumbag taxi rapist John Warboys and will have happened with many other cases.
On a slightly wider outlook though how would we feel about the police arresting people of any age, even then detaining them until trial, and as would then be standard the press being unable to publish the accused`s details?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 30 Jan 11:13
That`s a really good point too mate.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 30 Jan 11:41
Good posts lpf and Towk
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: parfection
Date: Mon 30 Jan 12:13
“then lets hang him by the neck until dead
No apologies if that sounds extreme “
This whole debate here began with these words. ‘IF that sounds extreme’ - well it is extreme and downright wrong on a number of levels.
(a) The crime was only committed on Friday, and we are at the stage of a charge - not a trial, far less a conviction.
(b) The person who has been taken into custody is 16 years of age. Even in the days when capital punishment held sway (no pun intended), 16 year olds were never hanged. Look at the case of Craig and Bentley from the early 1950s. The killer was 16 while his mentally subnormal partner in crime was 19. The hanging of this lad did much to advance the case for abolition.
I can’t accept the death penalty in any circumstance I’m afraid - I’m a husband and father and I don’t want killers on the loose any more than anyone else, but let’s have a trial with adequate representation on both sides. If the accused’s guilt is then established then they deserve all the opprobrium that is heaped on them.
Others here have put the case for withholding details at this stage, and I agree with them wholeheartedly.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 30 Jan 17:37
Thanks for that Ormiston Par
It was a very much heat of the moment thing and I have e-mailed Wotsit and apologised to him .. also on here
I sometimes jump in too quick without thinking
I was just so mad that a young 16 year old has had her life ended who still had her whole life ahead of her
She is the same age as my Granddaughter
Goodness knows what her parents are going through
Sorry again to all those I upset
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 30 Jan 17:45
Granddaughters are precious BPP, I have 4 plus a grandson, very protective of them!❤️
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Topic Originator: Jjonjord
Date: Tue 31 Jan 01:07
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 30 Jan 11:00
Sometimes the police though want to name the suspect as it can lead to more evidence being gathered and more victims coming forward. I`m sure that`s what happened with scumbag taxi rapist John Warboys and will have happened with many other cases.
Also the case with David Carrick. The original rape charge was dropped, but by that time another victim had come forward having heard about the first case, and - thankfully - the second one (and many subsequent charges) stuck.
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