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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 21 Mar 08:47
That`s the Metropolitan police.
Is anybody surprised by this, and does anybody think it doesn`t also apply to other police forces in the UK?
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 21 Mar 12:22
Well, you’ve obviously made your mind up.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 21 Mar 14:12
I have.
The report was clear, which very much helped.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 21 Mar 15:00
There will be bad apples in every force, but without the same in depth investigation how will be known whether other forces are also institutionally rotten to the core?
Post Edited (Tue 21 Mar 15:03)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 21 Mar 17:18
The phrase "a few bad apples" finishes with "spoils the bunch."
The thin blue line is the problem - the idea that the fabled "good police" should be hounded out because they threaten the status quo.
This same report was made after Demelola Taylor, nothing was changed because that would entail tearing the whole thing down and restarting from the beginning.
Policing in this country is corrupt, how many times do we have to be told that before any meaningful change happens?
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 21 Mar 20:02
I thought this was either going to be about the Conservative Party or a few of the posters on here
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 22 Mar 06:28
People are often attracted to certain kinds of jobs for a reason. These can be good or bad. I was attracted to teaching because I enjoy working with children and young people.
Unfortunately, there are numerous examples of paedophiles who found their way into roles/jobs where they had access to children and it`s only relatively recently, that disclosure legislation has been brought in to limit these opportunities for unsuitable adults.
While our police force consists largely of good, law abiding officers who have to deal with folk most of us would rather not, there is a small minority who are attracted to the job for the wrong reasons. It can be a job where the incumbent can get a buzz from wielding power and some may even feel they are above the law.
This phenomenon is not confined to this country, of course. Accusations of "heavy handed police tactics" are common place in almost every corner of the globe - sometimes justified, others not.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 22 Mar 07:06
The difference between teaching and policing is what the recent report called "a culture of denial" and what the police call "the thin blue line."
If a police officer is corrupt their colleagues are expected, by the culture and traditions of their job, to shut up about it. The ones who don`t are traitors and troublemakers.
The police officer who abducted, raped and murdered Sarah Everard had been accused of all kinds of sexual and violent crimes against women prior to Sarah`s murder but these warnings were ignored, and chances to stop him early were missed, because he was police and his colleagues protected him. The report talks about many such cases of crimes by officers simply being ignored. Especially racist, sexist and homophobic ones. The police who do not join in with this are isolated and hounded out. This is institutional, part of the culture of policing in the UK.
If this culture were to apply to teaching then it would have been a very different job to the one you experienced GG, a dreadful job that was damaging to children and one which no good person would tolerate.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 22 Mar 11:24
^^^^^ An excellent, insightful post, Wotsit. ^^^^
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 22 Mar 12:20
One of the biggest issues with U.K. police forces is the lack of direct responsibility in respect of senior officers where the force screws up.
South Yorkshire have an unenviable track record in that department.
Hillsborough - the Darlington child abuse - the Cliff Richard investigation nonsense etc.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 22 Mar 17:18
Did you mean Rotherham vee ? or was there similar in Darlington
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 22 Mar 18:54
Well corrected.
Somehow Darlington lodged in my feeble mind.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 22 Mar 19:35
Rotherham was a sad read .. police involved with the sexual abuse .. and when one of the wee Lassies was smart enough to hand her soiled clothing in to the police station for DNA evidence they were conveniently lost .. Another wee Lassie who had been abused and plied with alcohol was held for under age drinking when she tried to complain .. Most of the abusers if not all were Pakistani where one of our prominent MP`s said that it was an accepted culture in Pakistan
Rotherham Council finally commissioned an independent inquiry led by Professor Alexis Jay, which found in August 2014 that some 1,400 children, most of them white girls, were abused by predominantly British-Pakistani men.
A Home Office spokesman said: “If evidence suggests that there are cultural factors that may be driving certain types of offending, we are fully committed to addressing these.”
I hope they all rot in Hell
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 22 Mar 20:03
A care worker compiled a dossier on the sexual abuse going on - the local Council and Police ignored the claims mainly (it was reported) because the alleged perpetrators were of the Pakistani community.
Such racial factors were evident in the similar Rochdale child sex abuse scandal.
Post Edited (Wed 22 Mar 20:04)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 23 Mar 06:32
The reports into these cases concluded that the police response was impacted less by the ethnicity of the the perpetrators and more by the social background of the victims.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 23 Mar 13:14
Quote:
Wotsit, Thu 23 Mar 06:32
The reports into these cases concluded that the police response was impacted less by the ethnicity of the the perpetrators and more by the social background of the victims.
I definitely believe that, that`s why if the Police are talking to you, your occupation is one of the first things they ask you. In the event of hearing two sides to the story they will always side with the person with the better job or from the better background.
The main role of the police is to protect the rich from the poor
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 23 Mar 14:39
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 23 Mar 13:14
Quote:
Wotsit, Thu 23 Mar 06:32
The reports into these cases concluded that the police response was impacted less by the ethnicity of the the perpetrators and more by the social background of the victims.
I definitely believe that, that`s why if the Police are talking to you, your occupation is one of the first things they ask you. In the event of hearing two sides to the story they will always side with the person with the better job or from the better background.
The main role of the police is to protect the rich from the poor
I recall that one of the reports refers to police calling one of the child victims "just a little sl@g."
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 24 Mar 15:30
Either way it comes down to profiling. Someone who dresses or sounds a certain way is just a [insert your own swear word] and not worth listening too or "deserved it".
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 4 Apr 23:42
Quote:
Buspasspar, Tue 4 Apr 19:11
From Aunty :-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096
Reading that, it seems the police weren`t racist enough, to prevent thousands of vulnerable children being abused
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 5 Apr 00:34
I don`t know, reading that article it`s seems it would be difficult to draw any firm conclusions.
"Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white."
"" It found there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending".""
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 5 Apr 08:51
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 5 Apr 00:34
I don`t know, reading that article it`s seems it would be difficult to draw any firm conclusions.
"Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white."
"" It found there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending".""
I suppose it`s most likely that in the UK most offenders are commonly white, because most people are white. Perhaps what they should be looking at is the amount of offenders for the proportion of the overall population to see if that shows them if any particular culture or community is more likely to offend. That report seems very conscious not to make any controversial call outs
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 5 Apr 09:04
If they looked at proportions they`d find white people are more likely to be in jail than a black or Asian person. There`s 10% more white people in UK prisons than would be proportional.
Edited to add: All prison data is available to the public.
Post Edited (Wed 05 Apr 09:05)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 12 Apr 20:02
From Aunty :-
Ms Braverman said groups of "vulnerable white English girls" were being "pursued and raped and drugged and harmed by gangs of British Pakistani men who`ve worked in child abuse networks".
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Wed 12 Apr 22:30
We made friends all over the world with the people who worked there with no care about colour as they were people.We even got Christmas cards from Muslim friends in Egypt.
This country is turning so racist with people who have never met and chatted with the sort of people they despise.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 13 Apr 08:07
So what about all those people convicted a few weeks back? They all looked pretty white to me. Will we be refusing white immigrants too then?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 13 Apr 08:29
Tory peer Baroness Warsi has warned that what she describes as Suella Braverman`s "racist rhetoric" is putting British Asian families at risk.
The peer, the UK`s first South Asian cabinet minister, claimed the home secretary`s comments on small boats and grooming gangs "emboldened racists".
She told the BBC she feared a backlash against British Asians and had told her dad not to walk home from the mosque.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 13 Apr 09:28
Quote:
Buspasspar, Wed 12 Apr 20:02
From Aunty :-
Ms Braverman said groups of "vulnerable white English girls" were being "pursued and raped and drugged and harmed by gangs of British Pakistani men who`ve worked in child abuse networks".
She forgot to mention Knights of the realm and at least two members of the royal family doing the same. I wonder why?
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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