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 RWC
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Fri 8 Sep 22:03

It`s finally upon us.
Can Ireland fullfil their potential?
Can Scotland escape the group of death ?
Are Wales and indeed Englandshire as bad as they have both looked recently?
South Africa....new Zealand.... France.... Australia....
It`s going to be a belter of a tournament.
France currently beating new Zealand in the closing minutes of the opening game.

Edit ....
Downside was the opening ceremony....an utter car crash imo.

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Topic Originator: robbie  
Date:   Sat 9 Sep 04:38

It`s the first time I`ve heard the French
National anthem done so badly.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 9 Sep 08:17

Was thinking the same robbie

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 9 Sep 20:21

Curry of England sent off after yellow card upgraded to red. Yellow to an Argentinian is in the process of being assessed for possible upgrading.
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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 9 Sep 22:08

Englandshire off to a good start.
Not quite sure if they were good or Argentina were really bad .
Maybe a bit of both.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 9 Sep 22:32

Argentina didn`t seem to be up for it at all, conceding penalties and making mistakes all over the pitch. The loss of a man seemed to inspire England.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 00:09

"It`s coming home " English commentators starting again!🤬
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 00:43

Today was a bit of a whitewash day (excluding England) where you don’t really know where the big teams will end up. Argies always expect a result from them then they flop!

Big day tomorrow for us though - win and its a big step towards the QFs - lose and I feel like thats it already as Ireland are too good!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 15:31

What an utter shambles Bill Beaumont and his cohorts have made of this years RWC
The draw was made back in 2020 !!
We have 3 of the top 5 teams in the world in the same group
2 of the top 4 teams in the world will not make the semi`s
England did alright tho

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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 18:43

Well that, was garbage…..

Too many errors, too many penalties, usual bottling display in a big game 🙄
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 18:51

So Proud of that Scotland team today .. up against the biggest heaviest fasted world champions and we held our own for most of the 80 minutes Shame the officials could not get their act together .. great performance under so much pressure



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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 19:08

Quote:

Dave_1885, Sun 10 Sept 18:43

Well that, was garbage…..

Too many errors, too many penalties, usual bottling display in a big game 🙄


Don`t think you understood what you were watching if you felt that was a bottling display.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 19:41

I think the TV coverage has been pretty poor, especially the replay or non-replay of key incidents. I don`t know the intricacies of the guidance re head collisions but I could not understand why the Kriel/Dempsey clash was hardly mentioned in commentary and only discussed in detail at half-time.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 20:52

wee eck .. that had nothing to do with the tv coverage .. although I don`t think STV should be let anywhere near Rugby

The TMO missed it even tho he has the benefit of slow mo .. multiple angles etc
The ref missed it but he missed many things today .. was more about him than the game

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 21:00

Who decides which pictures/replays we see, Bpp?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 21:21

STV cannot show us an incident that was not highlighted by the TMO in real time wee eck .. they can show and replay during the half time/full time discussion



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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 21:43

Cheers, Bpp. I presumed it was a French TV producer who controlled what we saw.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 22:19

Exactement mon petit ami

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sun 10 Sep 22:30

I was a bit surprised to see Gareth Thomas on the panel during the Wales game. Didn`t he give his ex-partner HIV after deceiving him of his own HIV status, the settled out of court with him?
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 11 Sep 00:06

More inconsistent refereeing in the Wales v Fiji match where the ref seemed to be very lenient with warnings rather than yellow cards when the Welsh were defending their line in the second half.

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Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Mon 11 Sep 06:37

Saw that too Wee Eck and then he carded the Fiji player straight after.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Mon 11 Sep 08:24

Game week 1 and already riddled with controversial decisions. This is going to be a right laugh
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 11 Sep 12:19

I saw 2 nasty head clashes and the emphasis is now player protection especially to the head .. BUT .. correct me if I`m wrong Did any of the 4 players involved go off for a head injury assessment ?

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Fri 15 Sep 23:31

Another red card tonight.(after a review)
Not that it made any difference.
New Zealand were on a mission.

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 17 Sep 16:03

RSA just squeezing a win against Romania there 🤣

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 17 Sep 18:44

Eddie Jones Australia starting to look like Eddie Jones England

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Thu 21 Sep 20:00

France Vs Namibia....
Hardly a fair contest but should be worth a watch .
I`m going for a difference of 60 points.
Namibia have never won a single game at a world cup apparently.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 21 Sep 21:23

Nailed it widtink

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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard  
Date:   Sat 23 Sep 14:18

Hmmm. . .Ireland or South Africa tonight ?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 23 Sep 16:24

It has to be SA Mikey and by a good few points to give Scotland a chance to qualify by beating Ireland as well .. plus Scotland need to get bonus points in the other 2 games

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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard  
Date:   Sat 23 Sep 18:51

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 23 Sep 19:54

Dress rehearsal for the final

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Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Sat 23 Sep 22:02

Anyone know what the penalty right at the end was for?
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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 23 Sep 22:11

Ref said the ball wasn`t coming back .

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Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Sun 24 Sep 09:44

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Ref said the ball wasn`t coming back .


Odd that he blew when the ball emerged, on its way back.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 24 Sep 16:25

Sums it up really .. Am I the only one who thinks Scotland will beat Ireland


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/66902575

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 24 Sep 16:46

I think Ireland will give us an absolute thumping personally.
Our only hope is that they rest some players and we are at our very best.

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Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Sun 24 Sep 21:27

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widtink, Sun 24 Sept 16:46

I think Ireland will give us an absolute thumping personally.


I don`t think we`ll be thumped, but I do think Ireland will win.

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Our only hope is that they rest some players and we are at our very best.


I can`t see Ireland resting their best players, they will want to win the group for a Q/F game against New Zealand, rather than coming second and playing France. Also, if they were to lose badly to Scotland they would risk not qualifying on the head-to-head rule.

So it`s all bad news and desperately bad luck for one of the best ever Scotland teams.

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sun 24 Sep 21:32

Still can`t get over them having Gareth Thomas on as a pundit. When you consider how it`s unlikely Russell Brand or Graham Linehan would get a gig with the mainstream channels, he seems to have escaped unscathed. Can`t understand it
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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 24 Sep 21:48

Australia out after a lesson from Wales.
Eddie Jones strikes again lol

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 25 Sep 09:13

From Aunty :-

On the morning of the match, the Sydney Morning Herald reported Jones had held a secret Zoom interview last month about becoming the Japan coach next year, despite having signed a five-year deal with Australia.

Jones denied those reports but Rugby Australia chief executive Phil Waugh was addressing the reports publicly less than four hours before kick-off, so preparation was not ideal.

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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Mon 25 Sep 17:50

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red-star-par, Sun 24 Sep 21:32

Still can`t get over them having Gareth Thomas on as a pundit. When you consider how it`s unlikely Russell Brand or Graham Linehan would get a gig with the mainstream channels, he seems to have escaped unscathed. Can`t understand it


I agree with you RSP, that it is shameful he is on the screens, but it will be due to two things - 1. It was settled out of court so no blame attached to him and 2. The gent he infected has forgiven him, so will be seen as a 2nd chance.

On the point of beating Ireland, am I right in thinking if we win by 8 points or more, and they don’t get 4 tries, we will qualify on H2H?

If so, we have a slim chance, and crazier things have happened, but could also see another Craig Joubert 2015 moment happening to keep Ireland in it 🙄
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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Fri 29 Sep 20:36

Only 30 minutes gone and Italy being taught a masterclass by NZ.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 29 Sep 20:59

49-3 at half-time - 7 converted tries!

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Fri 29 Sep 22:00

Italy head coach Kieran Crowley believes other countries "have caught up" with New Zealand as his side prepare for a crucial World Cup match against the All Blacks on Friday.

The Azzurri will reach the knockout phase for the first time if they win in Lyon, while New Zealand would be on the verge of qualification with a victory.

"We`re not going out there trying to keep the score down, we`re going out there to try to win the game," said former New Zealand full-back Crowley.


Ach weel he is right .. NZ only scored 14 tries

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Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 30 Sep 08:43

There are too many one sided games for this to be a spectacle. I switched last nights game off after about 15 minutes.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 30 Sep 09:22

Are there any rugby-playing nations which haven`t qualified for the RWC?

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 30 Sep 10:11

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Are there any rugby-playing nations which haven`t qualified for the RWC?


Canada and USA are the 2 rugby playing nations that I can think of not there.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 30 Sep 22:22

D`Arcy Graham is absolute magic. He and Kinghorn are the sort of runners rugby fans love to watch.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Sat 30 Sep 22:38

Grahams try scoring record is astonishing. Can easily see him topping Hogg before he retires
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 7 Oct 20:41

Ireland will win the cup. They are phenomenal. I dont see us scoring a point today

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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Sat 7 Oct 20:42

That will be that then…..
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 7 Oct 20:43

They only need 1 more try and even if we come back they still qualify with the bonus point. Maybe they will relax and we might get a few points.

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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Sat 7 Oct 20:51

We now need to win by 8 points or more, with a bonus point for tries to even have a chance….this world cups been a shambles from the draw, to the schedule, to how poor we have been in the big two games…
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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Sat 7 Oct 21:28

Well and truly pumped 😕
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 7 Oct 22:03

We won the second half! We could have completely thrown in the towel but I think we saved face with these two tries.

Is retaliation OK in rugby? I was surprised Sexton wasn`t punished for his reaction to being tripped.

It was a bit of a risk having only two backs on the bench and it didn`t help the result.

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 7 Oct 23:42

Thumped by the current best side in the world.
Hey ho .
World keeps spinning.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 8 Oct 04:42

Didnt think we were bad. Just up agai st the best. Losing Kinghorn and the skipper early didnt help.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 8 Oct 07:50

There will be worse teams than Scotland in the quarter-finals. A lot of the criticism is with the benefit of hindsight, eg saying they should have kicked the penalties early on. Surely, if we had to win by 8 points, we had to take the chance to maximise opportunities to score points as we were unlikely to get many of them?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 8 Oct 08:26

My opinion wee eck is we should have kicked the 2 kickable penalties to put us 6-5 up ..There are too many things to go wrong with line outs .. I felt we chased the game too early .. the TMO had a stinker as well

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 8 Oct 12:20

Jap v Arg - Fantastic try by the Japanese lock running down the left wing!
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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Sun 8 Oct 17:38

Ireland were the better team...but the refereeing was stinking. Ireland were permanently offside at the breakdown...it was like watching New Zealand in the McCaw days when he was allowed to do as he pleases (including punch opponents in the head in a World Cup final).

I fancy Ireland to win the whole thing.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 9 Oct 18:42

He`s not far off the mark :-


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67047942



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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 10 Oct 00:03

Tom English always seems to be wise after the event. When the team`s winning he`ll sing their praises; but when they lose he`ll put the boot in. And if we`re so reliant on Graham and van der Merwe how did Ashman and Price manage to score tries against Ireland with their impenetrable defence?

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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Tue 10 Oct 14:20

We only scored tries because Ireland had completely taken their foot off the gas and had one eye on the quarters.When the game was still live we could have played all day and not scored.
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Tue 10 Oct 14:29

I wondered how long it would take for someone to come up with that explanation. Before the match we were told how strong Ireland`s bench was. Presumably they were all trying to impress to feature in the QF.

There have been lots of matches in this WC that have been over by half-time where the team leading just went on to pile on points. My fear at half-time was that Ireland would score 50 or 60 but we dug in and put the brakes on.
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Topic Originator: parathletic  
Date:   Tue 10 Oct 14:44

There were a couple of half hearted Ireland tackles that just wouldn`t have happened earlier in the game The Ireland defence was awesome in the first half.If they had needed to score more points I`m pretty confident they could have.
Ireland are number one in the world so no disgrace in any of that but they are a level above.There is a reason they have beaten us in 13 out of the last 14 matches.
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 10 Oct 17:55

I suggested they might relax after the 4th try but I don`t think they did.
They were out to send a signal to their next opponents.

I didn`t see any half hearted attempt from them. Two hard earned tries.

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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Wed 11 Oct 13:26

I still can`t get over how lopsided the draw is.

Two quarter finals that could legitimately be the final.

And two quarter finals that could be group games - and ones I might not even bother to watch.

I mean Argentina`s showing against England was utterly appalling, and Fiji lost to Portugal.

I`ll be stunned if England and Wales don`t make the semis.

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Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Wed 11 Oct 14:19

World rugby to blame for holding the draw 3 years ago. The rankings were quite different then. Compared to now, Scotland and Ireland are much better, England and Wales worse.
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Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Wed 11 Oct 14:26

Even the rankings used were 11 months old at the time. England and Wales in top seed group, Ireland in 2nd group and Scotland in 3rd!

Can`t find the article I read criticising the draw but here`s a similar one from a year ago
https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/early-draw-hurts-2023-rugby-world-cup/
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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Thu 12 Oct 19:51

Ughhh I thought England had SA. The got Fiji.
How easy has their run been?
If they win v Fiji I am pretty sure they drop us to 6th in the rankings. Thats just a travesty.

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Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Thu 12 Oct 21:34

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Ughhh I thought England had SA. The got Fiji.
How easy has their run been?
If they win v Fiji I am pretty sure they drop us to 6th in the rankings. Thats just a travesty.


It`s fine, we will go above them again when we spank them in the 6N
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 14 Oct 22:38

The All Blacks were superb tonight.




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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 15 Oct 02:37

Two pleasing results

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 15 Oct 09:53

Do we have to feel sorry for Johnny Sexton? He has a face like a skelped backside most of the time. He didn`t feel sorry for us last week. That`s sport.

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 15 Oct 21:04

France Vs SA
What a game.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 15 Oct 21:57

Looking like an All Blacks/Springboks final now.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 15 Oct 22:01

You won’t see a better game for many a year




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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 16 Oct 05:15

This is going to be a slaughter in both semis.
Poor Argies are going to be humiliated. Maybe the ABs will rest some for the final of course.

England are going to wonder what hit them. I hope the get stuffed by more than 15 points, which will mean 1.5 x the points exchange. That should put us back in 5th slot.

I would usually root for the Kiwis in the final but look at the route SA had to take. If they win it will be well deserved.


If I have the sums right England will drop 0.25 points (8.45 points gap) ×2 as its the world cup if they lose by less than 15 points. That will keep them in 5th.

Lose by 15 and you multiply 0.5 x 1.5 = 0.75 and we go 5th

The argies are too far behind NZ to exchange any points.

I could be wrong but thats my grasp of it.



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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sat 21 Oct 17:33

Well after today`s disappointing result at EEP I`m looking forward to Springbok masterclass to cheer me up.
Got to win by 15 pts.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 21 Oct 18:16

Lets hope so PARot .. N/Z looked like they were training last night .. they are a formidable team .. as is S/A .. what a final that will be .. please

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 21 Oct 21:15

England heading to yet another RWC final unless the South Africans can turn it around in the last half hour.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 21 Oct 21:30

The springboks have been utterly inept




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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 21 Oct 21:54

That was close!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 21 Oct 22:03

I’ve had more entertainment watching antiques roadshow.
That was dreadful. No quality. Loads of mistakes




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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 21 Oct 22:07

Hopefully New Zealand win it but you wouldn`t be surprised if South Africa were able to grind out a victory.

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They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sat 21 Oct 22:33

I really don`t understand the rules. Didn`t spoil my enjoyment of last weekend`s evening games though. Thought they were brilliant. But why the hell did RSA kick possession back to England with 2 mins left knowing that a drop goal would win it? Surely a few phases of possession would run down the clock with less risk?
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sun 22 Oct 01:28

It should be a good final, and I would be happy to see the All Blacks come out winners. It is extraordinary how New Zealand has embraced rugby as its national sport; rugby utterly dominates the conversation.

On my first visit to NZ, 30 years ago, I remember walking around the huge Hagley Park in Christchurch one Saturday morning. Rugby matches were underway everywhere I looked, from adult level to under-9s. And mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters stood watching and encouraging on the sidelines. It was a grand sight.

Rugby is not just an obsession for the Kiwis. It is something that binds the nation together.

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Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Sun 22 Oct 06:56

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JTH123, Sat 21 Oct 22:33

I really don`t understand the rules. Didn`t spoil my enjoyment of last weekend`s evening games though. Thought they were brilliant. But why the hell did RSA kick possession back to England with 2 mins left knowing that a drop goal would win it? Surely a few phases of possession would run down the clock with less risk?


I wondered about that too, and going by the fact they aren`t daft, I think he was avoiding the possibility of an easy penalty.

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Topic Originator: Jjonjord  
Date:   Sun 22 Oct 11:20

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JTH123, Sat 21 Oct 22:33

I really don`t understand the rules. Didn`t spoil my enjoyment of last weekend`s evening games though. Thought they were brilliant. But why the hell did RSA kick possession back to England with 2 mins left knowing that a drop goal would win it? Surely a few phases of possession would run down the clock with less risk?


Mainly for field position. The further away from your line you are, the harder the kick for England if they get a penalty; the less chance of them slotting a drop goal; and the more things that England have to do correctly in order to get back up the pitch (it didn`t take them too long to knock on!).

Add to all of that, if the referee thinks you are playing just to wind down the clock and kill the game, he will be looking very closely at everything SA do. If they are seen to be sealing off and not allowing a fair contest at the breakdown then it could easily lead to an England penalty in the SA 22.

All in all, a better idea to make England start from their own half as - on the balance of what we had seen up to that point - the chances of them putting together enough phases in order to make a dent or force a South Africa mistake or infringement were pretty slim.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 22 Oct 20:51

Jjonjord .. that is the best post to help us all understand the many facets of rugby
Can I put your name forward to manage Scotland .. :-)

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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Sun 22 Oct 22:29

Can anyone explain why South Africa would choose a scrum from a mark when they were behind with a few minutes left?

I didn’t realise this was on option until they did it against France.

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Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Sun 22 Oct 22:44

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Tad Allagash, Sun 22 Oct 22:29

Can anyone explain why South Africa would choose a scrum from a mark when they were behind with a few minutes left?

I didn’t realise this was on option until they did it against France.


Best chance of winning a penalty - tap and run and kicking dont bring that chance about, get pressure in the scrum and good chance you win the penalty
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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sun 22 Oct 23:30

Especially as they were so dominant in the scrum in the second half.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 23 Oct 09:18

While were on the scrum subject

South Africa`s Bongi Mbonambi has been accused of using a racial slur towards England flanker Tom Curry during his side`s Rugby World Cup semi-final win.

Curry reported it to the ref during the game

Mbonambi is the only specialist hooker in the South Africa squad after the Springbok management opted to replace the injured Malcolm Marx with fly-half Handre Pollard earlier in the tournament.

England have 36 hours after the final whistle to refer such incidents to the citing commissioner, who could then call a disciplinary hearing.

With Saturday`s match kicking off at 20:00 BST, the deadline for England to report back to World Rugby is this morning.

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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Mon 23 Oct 13:40

I`ll be stunned if he`s banned from the final.

I suspect World Rugby will determine that a full investigation is required, that will take place after the World Cup - a bit how the Suarez - Evra investigation too months, as did the John Terry one. Any punishment now would be terrifically early , unless there`s a clear recording that completely unambiguous.

If they DID suspend him - SA would end playing Deon Fourie at hooker who, whilst a specialist flanker, is a pretty decent hooker.

But as i say I can`t see World Rugby taking any action before the final happens - there just isn`t enough time.

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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 23 Oct 14:51

WR say they will review the allegation and haven`t ruled out a ban from playing in the Final apparently.
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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Mon 23 Oct 15:05

I`m not a linguist but there`s a decent chance the Mbonami was speaking Afrikaans - `watte kant` is commonly heard on the rugby field (it means `which side`).

There`s a decent chance Curry misheard something in a different language - which means proving the case in the week between now and the final will be really tough. I just can`t see it being sorted by then - unless Mbonami admits it.

ETA - English is probably Mbonami`s 3rd language and the `c` word isn`t a common insult in South Africa. I just don`t find it plausible...I could be wrong of course. But I think he`s unlikely to be found guilty quickly.



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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Mon 23 Oct 16:57

Yeah - possibly lost in translation.

There’s some suggestion it was “Wit Kant”, which means “white side” to warn his teammates that the ball was on the English side of the ruck.

Kant is indistinguishable from the c word to English ears. Wit is pronounced vit, but it’s pretty common for South Africans to mix languages, so he could’ve said “White Kant”.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 23 Oct 17:33

Some good posts there guys I never knew any of that Afrikaans
Hope you are correct and it was a misunderstanding
Would be a shame if he were to miss the final

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 23 Oct 19:03

Jonny May :-

May believes Borthwick`s methods are like the scientist who cracked the Enigma code and saved millions of lives in World War Two.

"You won`t find a harder working man than Steve and his approach to the game is a little bit like Alan Turing," added the Gloucester winger.

"If anybody is going to crack the code to rugby it will be Steve - he`s getting ever closer each week and good luck to him.

"He`s got an analytical brain and an evidence-based, scientific, Spock-like approach to the game.

Time will tell

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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Mon 23 Oct 21:47

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Buspasspar, Mon 23 Oct 19:03

Jonny May :-

May believes Borthwick`s methods are like the scientist who cracked the Enigma code and saved millions of lives in World War Two.

"You won`t find a harder working man than Steve and his approach to the game is a little bit like Alan Turing," added the Gloucester winger.

"If anybody is going to crack the code to rugby it will be Steve - he`s getting ever closer each week and good luck to him.

"He`s got an analytical brain and an evidence-based, scientific, Spock-like approach to the game.

Time will tell


An approach to the game like Alan Turing? Better keep him away from the young lads then.

Sounds like a case of mishearing the words on the pitch, surely sledging your opponent is an acceptable way of winding them up to gain an advantage, it`s only words
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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Tue 24 Oct 09:18

That`s not a great joke red star, I`m sure no malice intended, but might be worth deleting.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Tue 24 Oct 10:31

Pleased for him .. He is a good ref :-

England`s Wayne Barnes will referee the Rugby World Cup final between New Zealand and South Africa at Stade de France on Saturday.

Barnes, 44, will become the second Englishman to officiate a final after Ed Morrison who took charge in 1995.

Karl Dickson and Matthew Carley will be assistant referees, with Tom Foley named television match official.

It is the first time in Rugby World Cup history that all the officials have been appointed from one union.

"It speaks volumes for the quality of English officials and this group who work so brilliantly alongside one another," Rugby Football Union chief executive Bill Sweeney said.

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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Tue 24 Oct 11:39

agreed - barnes is by far the best ref in the tournament. I`m pleased for him. I was also impressed by Dickson in the Arg v Wales match.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Tue 24 Oct 12:33

I also like Jaco Peyper I wonder if he would have had the final had he not been injured ?



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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Tue 24 Oct 13:05

Nope - because he`s South African!

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Tue 24 Oct 16:08

LOL Bandy .. I had forgotten about that Doh !!

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 26 Oct 08:26

From Aunty :-

South Africa hooker Bongi Mbonambi will start against New Zealand in Saturday`s Rugby World Cup final after a ruling there was "insufficient evidence" he used a racial slur towards Tom Curry.

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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Thu 26 Oct 09:53

The RFU have stated that they are `deeply disappointed` with the decision.

I honestly don`t know what they expected - there`s clearly a plausible, reasonable, explanation for why what Curry heard could be a nothingburger - irrespective of whether Mbonambi called him a "white c***" or not. With that `reasonable doubt` there`s no chance World Rugby could ban him from the final unless further evidence comes in - which it hasn`t.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 26 Oct 19:34

Who`s yer money on ? .. I said and was confident during all the warm up games that the team that beats S/A will win the world cup .. ok I know Ireland beat them but Ireland are not in it .. however .. I now think from what I have seen during the tournament that N/Z will win .. and will be happy for them

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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Thu 26 Oct 20:35

I can’t decide who I’d like to win…

All blacks are favourites so will probably watch wanting SA to win
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 28 Oct 17:34

Well Tonights the Night .. NZ with all 3 Barret Brothers on from the start

SA with 15 forwards in the mix .. The last time they did that split they beat NZ 35-7 But They also lost to Ireland 8-13 with the same split .. So who Knows

One good thing will be hopefully that is the last time we will see that dreadful OOFT Advert

Lets hope it is a good game with worthy winners .. Also hope Wayne Barnes has a good game

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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sat 28 Oct 21:49

Barrett Brothers - sounds like a department store

Intriguing game. The all blacks have done very well with a man less




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Topic Originator: Bandy  
Date:   Sun 29 Oct 11:32

Thought it was a poor game - nerves got the best of both teams. I thought Barnes and the refereeing team were absolutely excellent. Compare the calmness and professionalism in their communications and decsions making to the absolute clusterf*cks you hear whenever PGMOL release a VAR recording.

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Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Sun 29 Oct 12:39

South Africa won the quarterfinals by a point, the semifinals by a point, and the final by a point. That’s a team with a winning mentality right there.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 8 Nov 09:23

Wayne Barnes interview on social media abuse .. Also has a wee bit to say on var

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67349016



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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 29 Nov 19:49

Sad to hear but just shows we don`t always know .. wish him all the best :-


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67569874

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