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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 29 Jul 15:12
Major incident in Southport with reports of at least 8 children stabbed at a Summer School. Offender in police custody.
Twitter in full blown racist meltdown despite no information being released regarding the attacker.
What is wrong with people on social media these days that the attackers race takes precedent over the victims? Also, the need to say “I told you so” coming minutes after an incident of this magnitude.
Also, how anyone can run around stabbing children is sickening.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Mon 29 Jul 16:38
There are lots of folk with mental health issues ,and with the state of mental health help and provision in this country now almost non existent ,the police are spending more time trying to sort out people with issues and they are not trained for this.
So expect more attacks here as folk can`t find help.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Mon 29 Jul 19:09
seventeen year old arrested.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Mon 29 Jul 19:21
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 29 Jul 15:12
Major incident in Southport with reports of at least 8 children stabbed at a Summer School. Offender in police custody.
Twitter in full blown racist meltdown despite no information being released regarding the attacker.
What is wrong with people on social media these days that the attackers race takes precedent over the victims? Also, the need to say “I told you so” coming minutes after an incident of this magnitude.
Also, how anyone can run around stabbing children is sickening.
Your first reaction is to go after people who have said hurtful words. Then you say “also”. The innocent children butchered are an afterthought. People like you are the problem.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 29 Jul 19:27
Quote:
Bamba-Daft, Mon 29 Jul 19:21
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 29 Jul 15:12
Major incident in Southport with reports of at least 8 children stabbed at a Summer School. Offender in police custody.
Twitter in full blown racist meltdown despite no information being released regarding the attacker.
What is wrong with people on social media these days that the attackers race takes precedent over the victims? Also, the need to say “I told you so” coming minutes after an incident of this magnitude.
Also, how anyone can run around stabbing children is sickening.
Your first reaction is to go after people who have said hurtful words. Then you say “also”. The innocent children butchered are an afterthought. People like you are the problem.
Wait a second……I’m the problem for calling out the people trying to use race and religion with zero facts at the beginning to cause divide within the country? 🤔 “hurtful words”…….you should maybe take a look at the posts before claiming these are just hurtful words…..
Obviously my thoughts go out to the families and the victims, given that I have a 3 year old daughter, what they are going through is incomprehensible.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Mon 29 Jul 19:31
Need to bring back the death penalty.
Makes me sick reading the Sky News articles on it.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 29 Jul 20:20
Social media is an awful thing. I don`t believe a name has been released but people are already spreading rumours about the religion of the evil bastard who did this. Furthermore, there appears to be a lot of fake accounts claiming to be run by Muslims but are clearly bots designed to spread hate.
All that matters here is two young children have died.as a result of a horrible man`s actions. May he rot in hell for what he`s done.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 29 Jul 22:05
The attacker stayed not too far away and was originally from Cardiff according to Channel 4 news.
Absolutely sickening crime, my heart goes out to the families and also the Emergency Workers, who will be needing support!😮💨❤️
Post Edited (Mon 29 Jul 22:07)
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Mon 29 Jul 22:24
Born in Cardiff, not an immigrant and certainly never arrived by boat. The name thats been shared on X etc. Is Ali Al Shakati which translated is `where is my apartment?`
Post Edited (Mon 29 Jul 22:24)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 29 Jul 22:51
Regardless of whether the name/place of birth etc is correct, two kids are dead and other injured and all we have is a bunch of racists praying that it`s a brown person so they can`t demand repercussions.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 30 Jul 02:20
I inadvertently saw a couple pictures allegedly from the incident and a voice recording from a young local mother (who`s kids was not involved) it was just horrific and heart breaking scenes.
"Thoughts and prayers" is futile, this along with other incidents over the past couple of weeks will be memory-holed.
Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 30 Jul 14:10
Quote:
jake89, Mon 29 Jul 22:51
Regardless of whether the name/place of birth etc is correct, two kids are dead and other injured and all we have is a bunch of racists praying that it`s a brown person so they can`t demand repercussions.
Exactly, Jake. It`s no consolation, but exactly the same scenario plays out again and again in Italy. Main stream and social media never fail to mention the nationality of anyone alleged to have committed a crime if he/she is from another race or country.
I can`t see any reason for this other than to arouse hatred of foreigners.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 30 Jul 22:50
Sickening scenes tonight in Southport, where a vigil to the victims of the attacks has been overshadowed by riots and attacks on a Mosque.
What is wrong with these people?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 31 Jul 07:49
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 30 Jul 22:50
Sickening scenes tonight in Southport, where a vigil to the victims of the attacks has been overshadowed by riots and attacks on a Mosque.
What is wrong with these people?
"These people" are the English equivalent of the redneck Trump supporters in the USA, Dave.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 31 Jul 08:43
Shooting of kids in liverpool (olivia pratt-korbel and Rhys Jones) no local backlash other than "thoughts and prayers". Discussion that attacker here was a different shade from the rainbow and whole place is a riot. Very pleasing to see the videos of "one of their own" hit twice with bricks as one deflected back off a riot shield to hit him in the head then one to the groin region as he turns to walk away.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 31 Jul 08:45
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 31 Jul 07:49
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 30 Jul 22:50
Sickening scenes tonight in Southport, where a vigil to the victims of the attacks has been overshadowed by riots and attacks on a Mosque.
What is wrong with these people?
"These people" are the English equivalent of the redneck Trump supporters in the USA, Dave.
I agree GG, feeding off the misinformation and false narratives pushed by certain ex EDL leaders and current Reform MPs……
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 31 Jul 09:52
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Wed 31 Jul 08:43
Shooting of kids in liverpool (olivia pratt-korbel and Rhys Jones) no local backlash other than "thoughts and prayers". Discussion that attacker here was a different shade from the rainbow and whole place is a riot. Very pleasing to see the videos of "one of their own" hit twice with bricks as one deflected back off a riot shield to hit him in the head then one to the groin region as he turns to walk away.
He actually gets hit 3 times. The one that came back from the shield, hits him the chest. He then gets hit on the head from behind him and then the hit to the hawmaws. Outstanding choreo from the knuckeldraggers 😂
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 31 Jul 10:58
Farage and Anderson deliberately provoking right wing hatred. Both should be getting investigated for this
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 31 Jul 11:20
Nazi cokeheads with no respect for the murdered children`s families or neighbours.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 31 Jul 11:40
And the "Oil Protestors " got a total of 21yrs in the clink!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 31 Jul 12:30
We`ve got sound bite "politicians" and idiotic social media mouthpieces who are a disgrace to the country.
Their approach is pretty basic - say something true but twist it just enough that it`ll rile the simple-minded people.
There is a real issue in this country with rose tinted specs. People reminiscing about times before they were even born! "Weren`t it great when Blackpool was thriving?" Yes, it was. Unfortunately, you lot decided it was better to spend a fortnight in Spain and THAT`S why it`s now a dump, not immigration! People go on about when we had high streets filled with shops but still order online and shop in supermarkets. The country is on its backside because of US not immigrants.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 31 Jul 13:30
The locals seem furious that the vigil yesterday descended into what it did last night. Im not surprised.
It’s sickening to use the murders of children to try and push a political agenda, knowing that social media lies will help it escalate country wide.
Maybe this lot should have been in Southend on sea fighting the machete wielding gang members rather than injuring 50 now police officers at the scene of a shocking crime.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 31 Jul 16:09
Farage seems to think the people in Southend aren`t following British values. I`m still waiting for someone to tell me what these values are. Last I checked not knifing people was more a common courtesy than a value. If he`s talking about history then the UK has quite an affiliation with knife crime, sadly.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Wed 31 Jul 17:44
Totally unbelievable. Our hearts out to the families.
Something you never recover from.
Definitely death penalty needed.
The people fighting the police is also unbelievable and needs to be sorted.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 31 Jul 21:41
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 31 Jul 20:14
Lest there be any doubt;
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1e8d7llg9o
No point in repeating BBC articles GG, they think that the MSM are all corrupt and just peddling the news that the police want you to hear 🙄
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 31 Jul 22:05
Quote:
Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 31 Jul 20:14
Lest there be any doubt.
I can only think you assume Marianna Spring is some sort of respected journalist or that BBC Verify is a credible fact-checking outlet, they are not.
Spring is a proven liar and fantasist and BBC verify get raitoed pretty much every time they post an article, this one about 3 to 1.
It seems many people and certainly the Home Secretary and Prime Minister are more angry at largely peaceful protests (their metric) than the murder of 3 kids and multiple others bring cut up.
Spring and the BBC want restrictions on social media and independent journalists because large swathes of people choose to get their news from them rather than the international laughing stock the BBC.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 31 Jul 22:32
Yaxley-Lennon isn`t a journalist. What he does isn`t journalism, it`s political activism with a camera aimed at radicalising Britain`s youth.
We just jailed one hate preacher to life. That seems reasonable for YL, given what his booze and coke-fueled supporters are doing to an already devastated community.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 31 Jul 22:34
There does need to be some kind of clampdown on X and other social media outlets. Too many people can just make up nonsense, with the intent of whipping up the morons who aren`t intelligent enough to realise they are being manipulated, as we have seen in Southport
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 31 Jul 22:34
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Wed 31 Jul 22:05
Quote:
Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 31 Jul 20:14
Lest there be any doubt.
I can only think you assume Marianna Spring is some sort of respected journalist or that BBC Verify is a credible fact-checking outlet, they are not.
Spring is a proven liar and fantasist and BBC verify get raitoed pretty much every time they post an article, this one about 3 to 1.
It seems many people and certainly the Home Secretary and Prime Minister are more angry at largely peaceful protests (their metric) than the murder of 3 kids and multiple others bring cut up.
Spring and the BBC want restrictions on social media and independent journalists because large swathes of people choose to get their news from them rather than the international laughing stock the BBC.
Case and point……..thanks Bletchley for proving me right within minutes 👌🏻
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 31 Jul 22:51
Quote:
Topic Originator: Dave_1885 like
Date: Wed 31 Jul 22:34
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Wed 31 Jul 22:05
Case and point……..thanks Bletchley for proving me right within minutes 👌🏻
No need to thank me, we both agree that the BBC and MSM have lost the trust of many people...or "them" as you call us.
Don`t worry, I don`t get offended by othering.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 1 Aug 08:22
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Wed 31 Jul 22:05
Quote:
Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 31 Jul 20:14
Lest there be any doubt.
I can only think you assume Marianna Spring is some sort of respected journalist or that BBC Verify is a credible fact-checking outlet, they are not.
Spring is a proven liar and fantasist and BBC verify get raitoed pretty much every time they post an article, this one about 3 to 1.
It seems many people and certainly the Home Secretary and Prime Minister are more angry at largely peaceful protests (their metric) than the murder of 3 kids and multiple others bring cut up.
Spring and the BBC want restrictions on social media and independent journalists because large swathes of people choose to get their news from them rather than the international laughing stock the BBC.
I`m genuinely confused by your post, BP. Are you claiming the BBC is less reliable than some random rocket on X? I`m well aware that the BBC may be influenced by the government of the day, as was demonstrated during Covid, when information was modified on an almost daily basis. I don`t accept every BBC news item as Gospel, but I do conclude that their report appears to fit the facts.
We`ll find out soon enough if the 17 year old who was arrested in connection with the stabbings is a Muslim or not (not that that has any relevance)and whether the name circulating on social media is his real name. What we can ascertain, beyond any reasonable doubt, is that the dissemination of this information - accurate or otherwise - stirred the hard-of-thinking to mindless violence against the Muslim community and the police.
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Thu 01 Aug 12:23)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 1 Aug 10:40
Quote:
jake89, Wed 31 Jul 12:30
We`ve got sound bite "politicians" and idiotic social media mouthpieces who are a disgrace to the country.
Their approach is pretty basic - say something true but twist it just enough that it`ll rile the simple-minded people.
There is a real issue in this country with rose tinted specs. People reminiscing about times before they were even born! "Weren`t it great when Blackpool was thriving?" Yes, it was. Unfortunately, you lot decided it was better to spend a fortnight in Spain and THAT`S why it`s now a dump, not immigration! People go on about when we had high streets filled with shops but still order online and shop in supermarkets. The country is on its backside because of US not immigrants.
Why would holidaymakers opt for Blackpool when there was a much more attractive option available at affordable prices with far better weather and beaches in Spain - or any other country for that matter ?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 1 Aug 11:42
I think all jake is saying is that choices sometimes have unforeseen consequences which only emerge later and are often detrimental to other aspects of life.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 1 Aug 11:46
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 1 Aug 10:40
Quote:
jake89, Wed 31 Jul 12:30
We`ve got sound bite "politicians" and idiotic social media mouthpieces who are a disgrace to the country.
Their approach is pretty basic - say something true but twist it just enough that it`ll rile the simple-minded people.
There is a real issue in this country with rose tinted specs. People reminiscing about times before they were even born! "Weren`t it great when Blackpool was thriving?" Yes, it was. Unfortunately, you lot decided it was better to spend a fortnight in Spain and THAT`S why it`s now a dump, not immigration! People go on about when we had high streets filled with shops but still order online and shop in supermarkets. The country is on its backside because of US not immigrants.
Why would holidaymakers opt for Blackpool when there was a much more attractive option available at affordable prices with far better weather and beaches in Spain - or any other country for that matter ?
The point is that people look back with rose tinted specs to when the high street had the butcher, baker, candlestick maker and how much better it was but fail to appreciate it`s not like that anymore because society moved on not because people moved here from other countries.
We hear a lot about "British values" but no-one ever explains them. If they mean going to church on a Sunday and keeping a well kept rose garden then they may wish to look in the mirror before blaming other cultures.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 1 Aug 12:16
Indeed, nostalgia ain’t what it used to be 😁
There is now an anti Brit tourist mindset in certain Spanish locations, much exaggerated I suspect , maybe they are hacked off with immigrants as well ?
Post Edited (Thu 01 Aug 12:19)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 1 Aug 13:44
The guy has now been named. British born to African parents.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 1 Aug 15:44
Sad that it has taken so much "public interest" pressure to have restrictions on naming lifted.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 1 Aug 16:33
Should we be naming mass murderers at all in the media given how often they are motivated by notoriety?
Does it serve the public interest to know the names of mass killers?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 1 Aug 16:38
Quote:
Wotsit, Thu 1 Aug 16:33
Should we be naming mass murderers at all in the media given how often they are motivated by notoriety?
Does it serve the public interest to know the names of mass killers?
That`s a good point, Wotsit. There`s also the fact that he`s a minor in legal terms and they`re not normally named. So much for the rockets on X who gave him a Muslim name and gave the far right English rednecks an excuse to riot.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 1 Aug 17:20
Quote:
Wotsit, Thu 1 Aug 16:33
Should we be naming mass murderers at all in the media given how often they are motivated by notoriety?
Does it serve the public interest to know the names of mass killers?
The only interest the public will have is that he doesn’t have a british name and isn’t white…..well, that is what Farage, Fox etc will latch on to and push on socials now.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 1 Aug 17:33
The anonymity question has long been a contentious issue - the accused should be identified whenever charged IMO.
Post Edited (Thu 01 Aug 18:02)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 1 Aug 17:38
Two of the stabbed kids allowed back home Five now stable and Leanne Lucas has had life saving surgery .. Lets hope they all make a full recovery both physically and mentally
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 1 Aug 18:14
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 1 Aug 17:33
The anonymity question has long been a contentious issue - the accused should be identified whenever charged IMO.
I disagree. Being charged doesn’t necessarily mean the person is guilty.
Releasing information into the public domain only encourages those of the mindset to take the law into their own hands / subject the person and their family to violence.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Thu 1 Aug 18:26
Quote:
buffy, Thu 1 Aug 18:14
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 1 Aug 17:33
The anonymity question has long been a contentious issue - the accused should be identified whenever charged IMO.
I disagree. Being charged doesn’t necessarily mean the person is guilty.
Releasing information into the public domain only encourages those of the mindset to take the law into their own hands / subject the person and their family to violence.
Yeah, but not doing so allows those with an entirely different agenda to name someone else and encourage "those of the mindset to take the law into their own hands / subject" a completely innocent person/community to violence.
It`s a tricky one.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 1 Aug 22:03
Quote:
buffy, Thu 1 Aug 18:14
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 1 Aug 17:33
The anonymity question has long been a contentious issue - the accused should be identified whenever charged IMO.
I disagree. Being charged doesn’t necessarily mean the person is guilty.
Releasing information into the public domain only encourages those of the mindset to take the law into their own hands / subject the person and their family to violence.
So when would/should they be identified - only if found guilty ?
If innocent and not named that would only produce more ignorant speculation with the pitchfork mentality rabble, same as recently happened.
You couldn’t allow press and public into the court for fear of compromising the identity.
Which would effectively be closed proceedings - with all the negative implications.
Post Edited (Thu 01 Aug 22:09)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 1 Aug 23:24
Surely it depends on circumstances? In this case he has been named presumably because he is undoubtedly guilty, but also because not naming him is causing civil unrest?
Naming generally is a constant issue as it`s guilty even after proven innocent in many cases.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 1 Aug 23:56
Am I shocked that the tiny brain EDL wannabes jumped to conclusions? Not really.
Wonder how old 2 bricks to the head and 1 to the nuts is feeling right about now?
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Fri 2 Aug 11:27
The EDL should have a show at the Edinburgh festival, hitting your own racist guy on the head and baws with bricks, shouting at the police in Hartlepool don`t come near me , I pay your wages with my taxes, then screaming like a toddler as you get bitten on the backside by a police dog , comedy gold from the right wing agitators.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 2 Aug 12:02
Quote:
Andrew283, Thu 1 Aug 23:56
Am I shocked that the tiny brain EDL wannabes jumped to conclusions? Not really.
Wonder how old 2 bricks to the head and 1 to the nuts is feeling right about now?
Who can you mean, Andrew?🤔
If he`s who I think you mean, he at least has had the good sense to lie low after his crass contribution to the discussion on this thread. I don`t doubt he`ll be back once he thinks we`ve forgotten about it.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 2 Aug 12:33
I think Andrew is referring to the bloke who was hit by his own supporters in the video shown online, GG
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 2 Aug 12:48
Quote:
GG Riva, Fri 2 Aug 12:02
Quote:
Andrew283, Thu 1 Aug 23:56
Am I shocked that the tiny brain EDL wannabes jumped to conclusions? Not really.
Wonder how old 2 bricks to the head and 1 to the nuts is feeling right about now?
Who can you mean, Andrew?🤔
If he`s who I think you mean, he at least has had the good sense to lie low after his crass contribution to the discussion on this thread. I don`t doubt he`ll be back once he thinks we`ve forgotten about it.
https://youtu.be/SS8orxYUYew?si=E5AXAeTE1kKwcaZL 41 years old btw. Absolute melt.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 2 Aug 12:49
Quote:
buffy, Fri 2 Aug 12:33
I think Andrew is referring to the bloke who was hit by his own supporters in the video shown online, GG
This.
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Topic Originator: Neil_Philp
Date: Fri 2 Aug 15:02
(Post Deleted)
Post Edited (Fri 02 Aug 15:21)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 2 Aug 15:43
Quote:
Andrew283, Fri 2 Aug 12:49
Quote:
buffy, Fri 2 Aug 12:33
I think Andrew is referring to the bloke who was hit by his own supporters in the video shown online, GG
This.
Oops,my bad, Andrew. I`m on holiday just now and didn`t see the clip you were alluding to. Still and all, the poster I thought you meant has been mercifully quiet. 🙂
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 2 Aug 23:21
He`s maybe busy planning terrorist acts with his real friends?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 3 Aug 03:44
Funny how the resident c**** on here go quiet when facts are brought forward. Poor bigots
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 3 Aug 08:25
Who is being to referred to here?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 3 Aug 09:19
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 3 Aug 08:25
Who is being to referred to here?
Definitely not you, mate, so please relax. 😀
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 3 Aug 10:38
Oh dear..Andrews’s mummy over spooned his cocoa?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 3 Aug 10:59
Don`t lash out at Andrew Parboiled, your noggin and nuts will stop hurting in a few days.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 3 Aug 12:54
Quote:
Wotsit, Sat 3 Aug 10:59
Don`t lash out at Andrew Parboiled, your noggin and nuts will stop hurting in a few days.
😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 3 Aug 13:11
"Surely it depends on circumstances? In this case he has been named presumably because he is undoubtedly guilty, but also because not naming him is causing civil unrest?
Naming generally is a constant issue as it`s guilty even after proven innocent in many cases."
Classic "damned if you do and damned if you don`t" scenario.
Not identifying the alleged perpetrator will incite the KKK rabble - conversely naming him (unless he`s a white indigenous native) will have the same result.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 3 Aug 13:31
Not naming an accused is far from any sort of reasonable excuse for civil unrest.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 3 Aug 13:39
Quote:
Wotsit, Sat 3 Aug 10:59
Don`t lash out at Andrew Parboiled, your noggin and nuts will stop hurting in a few days.
Genuine LOL.
I made the mistake of listening to a caller on Talk radio earlier. Apparently it`s the government for these riots because "we told `em we don`t want no more immigration wen we voted for Brexit and they didn`t listen!"
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 3 Aug 14:03
Quote:
jake89, Sat 3 Aug 13:39
Quote:
Wotsit, Sat 3 Aug 10:59
Don`t lash out at Andrew Parboiled, your noggin and nuts will stop hurting in a few days.
Genuine LOL.
I made the mistake of listening to a caller on Talk radio earlier. Apparently it`s the government for these riots because "we told `em we don`t want no more immigration wen we voted for Brexit and they didn`t listen!"
The tiny brained EDL babies will use any justification to start causing unrest. If Just Stop Oil get longer jail sentences than convicted rapists, some of these gremlins need put away for a while.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 3 Aug 15:21
Hoi Cheese Puff, take yer nuts and noggins and bake them in a pie.
Make it shortcrust yer flakey enough already…
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 3 Aug 17:12
They literally believe that this is all Labours fault, who have been in power for 4 weeks. They still believe the attacker is an immigrant.
Tommy Robinson has been caught out for inciting hate and riots on Tuesday (all the way from sunny Spain) then stating setting police stations on fire is ridiculous and too far…..he f*cking caused it! 🤦🏻♂️😂
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 3 Aug 17:52
They always light the fire and when the moths rush to it, they feign innocence.
Edited to add, rumours that a Bengali girl has been attacked by 3 men in Sunderland. This is getting completely out of control
Post Edited (Sat 03 Aug 17:58)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 3 Aug 18:15
Quote:
Andrew283, Sat 3 Aug 17:52
They always light the fire and when the moths rush to it, they feign innocence.
Edited to add, rumours that a Bengali girl has been attacked by 3 men in Sunderland. This is getting completely out of control
Its happening on both sides - 2 males attacked with hammers in Stoke reportedly by Asians, whilst a solo black man was set about by a group of 50 off in a Manchester park - held his own till the police arrived!
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 4 Aug 00:40
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 3 Aug 18:15
Quote:
Andrew283, Sat 3 Aug 17:52
They always light the fire and when the moths rush to it, they feign innocence.
Edited to add, rumours that a Bengali girl has been attacked by 3 men in Sunderland. This is getting completely out of control
Its happening on both sides - 2 males attacked with hammers in Stoke reportedly by Asians, whilst a solo black man was set about by a group of 50 off in a Manchester park - held his own till the police arrived!
The police were literally in camera shot the whole time. They let 1 man fight a mob whilst they waited for backup. The right are absolutely out of control and using this whole thing to their advantage. Burning police stations, cars, mosques. Absolute vermin
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 4 Aug 03:26
HF is gets worse, after seeing the footage, the pathetic cops move in and take down the single guy getting attacked. Wtf
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sun 4 Aug 08:48
It’s carnage down south and I can’t see it getting any better. What a sad country we live in.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 4 Aug 09:11
It`s easy to call these people thick, but it`s what they are. Unfortunately, they don`t question what they`re told and even when corrected they STILL don`t believe it. Whilst grifters like Farage and Yaxley-Lennon are sat in their big houses with fancy cars, they`re sat in poverty. They`re lapping up that it`s Abdhul in the corner shops fault.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 4 Aug 10:10
I thought this would maybe die down as quickly as it begun but with the footage of the Muslim counter protests/demonstrations doing the rounds I could see the edl and similar disgusting factions using that to stir up more fear.
Having said that I suspect in the next day or two the police will start arresting many of those who have been captured on video conmiting crimes and that will undoubtedly scare other into staying off the streets.
All fun and games until you`re sitting in the dock.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 4 Aug 10:25
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 4 Aug 10:10
I thought this would maybe die down as quickly as it begun but with the footage of the Muslim counter protests/demonstrations doing the rounds I could see the edl and similar disgusting factions using that to stir up more fear.
Having said that I suspect in the next day or two the police will start arresting many of those who have been captured on video conmiting crimes and that will undoubtedly scare other into staying off the streets.
All fun and games until you`re sitting in the dock.
Issue is, it`s rapidly escalating. Balaclavas (need to be made illegal) everywhere with these c****.
Labour now debating introducing Facial Recognition to counter this, something the EU is hugely against. Fascist little twats letting a right wing government further infringe out liberty. I hate Britain
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 4 Aug 10:32
The likes of Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson have encouraged this sort of thing, they are well paid for being the Establishments mouthpieces. The thickos who follow them don`t have a clue how they are being exploited.
I get that some of them are disaffected, probably feel like every other section of society except white, poor or working class English people are getting everything handed to them on a plate. This isn`t the case though. Really they should be directing their anger at the rich. Everything that is wrong in this country is caused by them, and this division suits the ruling classes very well.
Sadly, I can only see this getting worse, the Muslim Defence League will feel they have to protect their own areas, since the Police have lost control down there, and we will have tit for tat attacks. The scenes in Stoke last night of huge crowds of young Muslim men carrying knives unhindered by the Police certainly looked ominous. It`s going to take a lot of work by community leaders to calm the situation, but it`ll be a case of waiting till the next time for this to explode again.
We haven`t really seen the full effects of immigration in Scotland, we are a fairly welcoming country, numbers have been low and people have assimilated well here. From what I have seen in England it`s a bit different there, this sort of thing has been simmering under the surface for a while. It`s not going to end well, a rivers of blood situation is brewing
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 4 Aug 10:56
What`s stopping you move somewhere else Andrew?
Where would you prefer to live?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 4 Aug 11:39
Quote:
ipswichpar, Sun 4 Aug 10:56
What`s stopping you move somewhere else Andrew?
Where would you prefer to live?
I remember when this country did truly great things by actively encouraging its people to kill fascist scum on sight. I long for those days .
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 4 Aug 12:02
The issue is people feel ignored. Unfortunately, they`re blaming Muslims and black people. The real issues have little to do with them though.
We`ve had a government that has feathered it`s own nest at the expense of the public who have underfunded public services meaning no-one is tackling issues like drug dealers and blatant money laundering fronts.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sun 4 Aug 12:47
The patriots of Hull are taking back their city……by looting Shoe Zone and Greggs😅 Muppets
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 4 Aug 13:06
I`m pretty sure shooting people on sight would actually help much Wotsit.
Doesn`t mean they can`t be punished significantly, but getting involved in tit for tat or encouraging death of others won`t help anybody.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 4 Aug 13:16
Was talking to my grandkids about this yesterday and how back in the sixties a black face was hardly seen in our area (apart from Robertson Jam)
The reality really happened when the Pars played the 2nd leg against West Bromwich Albion, the game "spot the white man" was created.
Time for England to get independence so we can put up borders to stop these s*it stirrers!
It`s not wanted in Scotland.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 4 Aug 16:01
They tried last night to blame a stabbing in Stirling on a muslim, pushed by good old Tommy……turns out the man responsible was a 29 year old white make from guess where? STIRLING! 🤦🏻♂️ couldn’t make it up!
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 4 Aug 16:17
Raiding into a hotel for immigrants today... Wtf
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 4 Aug 17:13
Attempting to burn down a hotel holding asylum seekers is the lowest form of scum going - send in the army and get this lot to f**k
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 4 Aug 18:31
Doesn`t mean they can`t be punished significantly, but getting involved in tit for tat or encouraging death of others won`t help anybody.
Quite the modern day Chamberlain.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 4 Aug 18:50
Well, he was a Tory so you`re clearly wrong.
Quite funny how you position yourself as someone who is for the right thing all the time, but you`re happy to get personally immediately where someone doesn`t agree with you.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 4 Aug 19:49
Just been on X to read what PM Starmer had announced about "backing police to keep streets safe from thugs who sow hate."
Saw a few idiotic replies and came off again. I don`t need high BP.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 4 Aug 19:55
Good luck on X, GG 😂 thing is vile and needs shut down. At least Zuckerburg has some control over his platform and doesn’t allow as much batsh*t fake news to go about
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 4 Aug 20:08
Depends on the newsfeed but mine makes me giggle every day. I preferred Twitter especially without all the advertising but it’s easy to avoid the guff.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 4 Aug 20:16
Quite funny how you position yourself as someone who is for the right thing all the time, but you`re happy to get personally immediately where someone doesn`t agree with you.
I`m just keeping up with the times.
It`s always been important to me to confront fascism in a robust and uncompromising fashion. Possibly because I want to do the right thing, as you say but more likely because, historically, it is the only thing that`s worked - as Chamberlain eventually realised.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 4 Aug 20:30
Starmer going away on holiday, that didn`t end well for some Tory MP`S!
Wonder if any Cobra meetings will happen?🤔
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sun 4 Aug 20:45
Quote:
buffy, Sun 4 Aug 20:08
Depends on the newsfeed but mine makes me giggle every day. I preferred Twitter especially without all the advertising but it’s easy to avoid the guff.
Missing the point Buffy.
Doesn`t matter if you can avoid it. It`s there and being allowed to escalate uncensored. Very little moderation now, allowing these nutters to feel legitimised.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 4 Aug 22:45
I didn’t miss the point. I know what’s on the platform. I just don’t react to it.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 4 Aug 23:09
What a mistake we made in 2014……
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 5 Aug 09:29
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 4 Aug 19:55
Good luck on X, GG 😂 thing is vile and needs shut down. At least Zuckerburg has some control over his platform and doesn’t allow as much batsh*t fake news to go about
There certainly appears to be little/no censorship, Dave. The feed I opened was "Sky News, Breaking." Next thing I was reading aggressive replies to Starmer`s statement. Absolutely wild claims being made by folk hiding behind a username.
I very rarely post on X but when I do, I use my real name. I know this has already been mentioned on dotnet before, but it might be no bad thing if we all used our real names on here.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 5 Aug 10:01
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 5 Aug 09:29
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 4 Aug 19:55
Good luck on X, GG 😂 thing is vile and needs shut down. At least Zuckerburg has some control over his platform and doesn’t allow as much batsh*t fake news to go about
There certainly appears to be little/no censorship, Dave. The feed I opened was "Sky News, Breaking." Next thing I was reading aggressive replies to Starmer`s statement. Absolutely wild claims being made by folk hiding behind a username.
I very rarely post on X but when I do, I use my real name. I know this has already been mentioned on dotnet before, but it might be no bad thing if we all used our real names on here.
All socials should be the same as Gambling sites these days - provide ID to open your account and page runners are held to account for things on their pages.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 5 Aug 11:10
X is a joke. Idiots like Yaxley-Lennon claiming at stabbing in Stirling was a Muslim when it was a white guy 🤦
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 5 Aug 11:48
The content checking has never felt great on that platform but Musk`s decision to get rid of most/all of it has laid bare how folk will fill a gap and abuse lack of moderation.
However it has moved from an interesting a/b test to starting to cause some societal breakdown, which isn`t great.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 5 Aug 13:48
From the Guardian -
`Countries around the world have begun to issue travel alerts to warn their citizens about the dangers of riots in the UK.
On Monday, Nigeria and Australia joined Malaysia in publishing travel advisories about the widespread violent disorder in many towns and cities in England.`
How long before Rwanda issues a similar warning to it citizens?!!!
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 5 Aug 14:35
Get the SAS involved. They managed to sort out a riot by the hard men in Peterhead prison so these fat belly tattooed neds would be nae bother!
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 7 Aug 16:16
I see oor Humza ex FM is worried that the future of him and his family may not be in Scotland, or the UK, or Europe or even the west, and he goes on to say that when he was a boy his dad “created” ID cards and passports in case they needed a quick getaway…
He’s been moaning about racism ever since he was in nappies, what’s new?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 7 Aug 16:55
Quote:
Parboiled, Wed 7 Aug 16:16
I see oor Humza ex FM is worried that the future of him and his family may not be in Scotland, or the UK, or Europe or even the west, and he goes on to say that when he was a boy his dad “created” ID cards and passports in case they needed a quick getaway…
He’s been moaning about racism ever since he was in nappies, what’s new?
Probably been moaning about racism since he`s been in nappies because he`s had to put up with racists like you since he was a child
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 7 Aug 17:46
I remember when I was working at the Big Issue just under ten years ago and a fresh faced Humza came along to experience life as a Big Issue vendor for an hour or so.
The racist abuse he took when folk thought he was a vulnerable homeless dude was absolutely shocking. It seemed to even shock him at the time. One guy was charged and sentenced for it I believe.
Open racism in society has not improved since then.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
Post Edited (Wed 07 Aug 17:49)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 7 Aug 18:30
I see some of these knuckle draggers have already been tried and sentenced. Slightly off topic with this but that seems very speedy. I`ve never had any dealings with the justice system but I always thought these things took weeks if not months.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Wed 7 Aug 18:37
It’s a sad day when you can’t walk the streets fearing you may be attacked by somebody just because of your looks. Thankfully these ignorant idiots are not the majority and hopefully all the rioters get some nice jail time.
Post Edited (Wed 07 Aug 18:43)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 7 Aug 18:56
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 7 Aug 18:30
I see some of these knuckle draggers have already been tried and sentenced. Slightly off topic with this but that seems very speedy. I`ve never had any dealings with the justice system but I always thought these things took weeks if not months.
They are managing these different with, I believe, that it`s a matter of public safety to get them processed quickly to suggest to others that it`s a stupid act.....if any further evidence was needed.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 7 Aug 18:59
Quote:
KirklistonPar, Wed 7 Aug 18:37
It’s a sad day when you can’t walk the streets fearing you may be attacked by somebody just because of your looks. Thankfully these ignorant idiots are not the majority and hopefully all the rioters get some nice jail time.
I walked through the Aldgate this afternoon. Was nice to see people of all races walking around on their own. A positive sign that those people aren`t too impacted.
I think the media has something to answer for with it`s non stop coverage.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 7 Aug 20:04
I heard that a library was torched because someone on SM claimed that its books were going to be replaced by a selection of Muslim ones....
On top of everything else, it`s difficult to escape the feeling that some parts of England`s green and pleasant land are descending into something approaching anarchy.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 7 Aug 20:33
Quote:
Parboiled, Wed 7 Aug 16:16
I see oor Humza ex FM is worried that the future of him and his family may not be in Scotland, or the UK, or Europe or even the west, and he goes on to say that when he was a boy his dad “created” ID cards and passports in case they needed a quick getaway…
He’s been moaning about racism ever since he was in nappies, what’s new?
You are a vile, gross little scrote of a person. Shouldn`t you be out with your ilk setting fires to libraries and trying to murder people.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 7 Aug 20:33
something approaching anarchy
I wish.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 7 Aug 22:04
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 7 Aug 18:30
I see some of these knuckle draggers have already been tried and sentenced. Slightly off topic with this but that seems very speedy. I`ve never had any dealings with the justice system but I always thought these things took weeks if not months.
Think theres 2 reasons for this:
1. Quick sentencing will deter others from actions like these before
2. The ones that have been sentenced were dead to rights due to video footage of them caught red handed.
Good to see that there has been a calmer couple of days down south. Still to hear of anything of note north of the border…….wee Stephen will still not try set foot up here on Sept 7th and I reckon if he does Glasgow will show him the door (except from a small element of OO mind you 🙄)
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Wed 7 Aug 23:47
I see that one of the rioting numpties has been jailed for 3 years for punching a police officer in the face (once, apparently).
It’s about time the courts were giving serious penalties for such actions.
Can we assume that the same level of penalty will be given to the two brothers at Manchester who punched two female officers multiple times in the face?
I’m not holding my breath.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 8 Aug 00:13
Yes I think if those two brothers have fourteen previous convictions, many involving violence, like this chap who has been sentenced to three years then they too will also receive a similar sentence.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 8 Aug 09:07
Locals turning out in their hundreds to tell the vastly outnumbered mobsters to p*** off. Reminiscent of the battle to defend Jewish community against Mosley’s thugs in 1936.
A no bail straight to jail rapid justice regime now cracking down on the ringleaders and most violent.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 8 Aug 11:26
I`d be interested to hear that guy`s definition of `racist`?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 8 Aug 12:15
Not condoning their behaviour in any way but it always amazes me how the state can fast track incidents like these and hand out meaty sentences when it suits them
3 years for causing a disturbance and presumably damaging property
Can someone remind me what the peado got on another recent thread for ruining children lives?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 8 Aug 12:39
Quote:
DBP, Thu 8 Aug 12:15
Not condoning their behaviour in any way but it always amazes me how the state can fast track incidents like these and hand out meaty sentences when it suits them
3 years for causing a disturbance and presumably damaging property
Can someone remind me what the peado got on another recent thread for ruining children lives?
Different courts/laws for starters, but I do agree the leniency that pedos are treated with is abhorrent.
I think this lot are getting these treatments due to inciting pure lawlessness, sheer racism, complete disrespect for the law and others and as a deterrent to try curb the behaviour.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 8 Aug 12:48
As I said in my reply to Lux Par, the guy who was sentenced to the three years had 14 prior convictions, some of them involved violence.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 8 Aug 13:10
I think all those sentenced so far pleaded guilty, possibly on account of incontestable video evidence against them. There`s no doubt the wheels of justice have been accelerated though, probably to deter potential offenders and also impress the public.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 8 Aug 15:42
Swift justice for Andrew up there..shocking and unprovoked
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 8 Aug 18:03
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Thu 08 Aug 18:24)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 8 Aug 19:38
Got to love the absolute brass neck of papers like the Daily Mail who are lambasting these rioters despite peddling all the crap about immigrants "invading".
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 8 Aug 20:14
Quote:
Parboiled, Thu 8 Aug 15:42
Swift justice for Andrew up there..shocking and unprovoked
Surely Andrew never got a yellow card for that? He was merely stating facts
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 8 Aug 20:38
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 8 Aug 20:14
Quote:
Parboiled, Thu 8 Aug 15:42
Swift justice for Andrew up there..shocking and unprovoked
Surely Andrew never got a yellow card for that? He was merely stating facts
Think it`s a card I picked up about 2-3 weeks ago.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Fri 9 Aug 21:22
Quote:
Parboiled, Thu 8 Aug 15:42
Swift justice for Andrew up there..shocking and unprovoked
He’s telling the truth though you are a vile person you must have dirt on Brian and the rest of the admin team either that or they share your disgusting views it’s the only explanation I can think of for why you ain’t been booted off this forum
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 9 Aug 22:02
While I don`t agree with much of Parboiled`s political opinions or his style of posting I seldom see him be personally abusive towards other posters (though I`m prepared to be proven wrong on that just nothing springs to mind). I do see him being immature and insulting towards political figures who he opposes but if that`s the bar being set then everyone who referred to Douglas Ross as DRoss should pack their bags.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 9 Aug 23:10
What exactly is xenophobic, homophobic, misogynistic, sexist, fattist, etc, etc, about typing DRoss?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 9 Aug 23:45
It`s none of those things. Just immature.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 10 Aug 00:15
You seemed to be suggesting it was equivalent to his political posts which have generally been all of those things.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 10 Aug 08:52
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The One Who Knocks, Fri 9 Aug 23:45
It`s none of those things. Just immature.
He/she/they regularly post some absolutely vile things. All hidden behind some Trump-like ramblings. Admin repeatedly sit there twiddling their thumbs
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 24 Aug 06:34
An analogous and senseless knife attack in Germany last night has cost the lives of three more innocent people.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd73292p1vpo
Interestingly, no false, inflammatory information has been posted on social media and the mood of the local population is sombre rather than angry and one of deep shock.
Food for thought?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 24 Aug 07:58
Due to the German electoral system the far right AfD, who only a few months ago were discussing a policy of mass deportation, currently holding over 10% of the seats in the Bundestag. Perhaps the knuckle draggers over there are more muted in their response as they have other means to vent their spleen and have themselves heard?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 24 Aug 08:53
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The One Who Knocks, Sat 24 Aug 07:58
Due to the German electoral system the far right AfD, who only a few months ago were discussing a policy of mass deportation, currently holding over 10% of the seats in the Bundestag. Perhaps the knuckle draggers over there are more muted in their response as they have other means to vent their spleen and have themselves heard?
I`m well aware that Germany also has a significant number of "knuckle draggers" among its population, TOWK, and it`s precisely because of this that I make the point that without the spark provided by social media there is no fire. Early days yet, of course. Some idiot over there could well copy their English equivalent and set off similar violence in and around Solingen.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 24 Aug 09:00
I have no doubt that there will be many an inflammatory post being made on German social media regarding this incident. Despite a massive manhunt underway the police aren`t giving out a description of the man they are looking for.
Of course much of the misinformation doing the rounds in the immediate aftermath of the Southport tragedy was orchestrated from abroad.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/21/man-charged-pakistan-misinformation-southport-uk-riots
And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 24 Aug 09:39
Much of the British far right is orchestrated from abroad.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 24 Aug 09:52
Indeed but I didn`t imagine it being someone from Pakistan putting out misinformation to stoke hatred, which quite often, was against fellow people of Pakistani origin. A complicated picture is emerging of shadowy actors behind the scenes sculpting the political landscape. Or then again maybe it was just an X account using inflammatory misinformation to drive up clicks.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 24 Aug 10:38
The spark in this case may have come from a Pakistani clickbait site, but the bonfire was carefully arranged such that one tiny spark thousands of miles away was able to set it ablaze without further effort.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 24 Aug 10:48
Anyone trying to blame a fake account in Pakistan for thousands of Brits causing utter carnage in England is away with the fairies. 🤦🏻♂️
Maybe the Germans dont riot because their police officers are no nonsense. And carry guns.
Any news on the planned demos against the men who murdered an Amazon delivery driver the other day in Leeds? Or has that one just gone under the radar? Oh no wait, the accused were Englishmen……and the victim presumably (from his name) a migrant.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Aug 03:59
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Dave_1885, Sat 24 Aug 10:48
Anyone trying to blame a fake account in Pakistan for thousands of Brits causing utter carnage in England is away with the fairies. 🤦🏻♂️
Maybe the Germans dont riot because their police officers are no nonsense. And carry guns.
Any news on the planned demos against the men who murdered an Amazon delivery driver the other day in Leeds? Or has that one just gone under the radar? Oh no wait, the accused were Englishmen……and the victim presumably (from his name) a migrant.
Germany has had riots about mass immigration since 2015. Things got really serious at the start of 2016 after the 1400 sexual assaults on New Year’s Eve. It was big news. Don’t you remember it?
I don’t know what your point is about the delivery driver? I’m not sure if you’re just playing a brain dead game point scoring who riots and who doesn’t or not thinking about what you’re saying? considering minorities in Britain have been rioting pretty recently for reasons a lot less serious than murder-never mind wee girls being murdered 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 25 Aug 08:40
I see the Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for this senseless crime in Solingen, but have not provided any evidence to back it up. It`s also unclear as to whether the man believed to be responsible and now in custody, has any connection to IS.
What I don`t understand is why IS would want to put fellow Muslims living in Germany in danger by claiming responsibility for this heinous crime, whether the perpetrator is part of their organisation or not.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 25 Aug 10:43
IS couldn`t give two hoots about Muslims living in Germany. They killed Muslims they deemed not worthy in the thousands, often in horrific fashion, in their caliphate. If it stokes up anger against those who fled from them then all the better in their eyes.
I read that the German police also arrested a fifteen year old who had prior knowledge of the attack so it suggests there was some sort of planning and/or reasoning behind this henious act.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 25 Aug 13:09
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The One Who Knocks, Sun 25 Aug 10:43
IS couldn`t give two hoots about Muslims living in Germany. They killed Muslims they deemed not worthy in the thousands, often in horrific fashion, in their caliphate. If it stokes up anger against those who fled from them then all the better in their eyes.
I read that the German police also arrested a fifteen year old who had prior knowledge of the attack so it suggests there was some sort of planning and/or reasoning behind this henious act.
You`re probably spot on with your assessment, TOWK. I`m obviously coming at it from a far too logical angle.
Going back to the Southport tragedy, I wonder what would have happened if someone had posted on social media that the killer was, say, Italian. Would the same, lynch mob mentality have manifested itself? What blame can be attached to innocent members of the community merely because they share the same ethnic make up or religious beliefs?
I remember some years ago, when Rangers were knocked out of Europe, by one of the Milan clubs (can`t remember which) every chip van, ice cream van, chippie and Italian cafe/restaurant in the vicinity of Ibrox was trashed or overturned by irate orcs. 😒
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 25 Aug 15:05
Regardless of who has committed any crimes, there are racial tensions all over Europe. There`s a lot of nonsense spread in the media but a big issue is people refusing to integrate, often because they`ll never be able to without being more moderate about their faith. Whilst there are very few true Christians, Europe is a Christian continent and the laws and practices are all broadly aligned with it. People covering their faces or needing time out for prayers isn`t the norm in Europe and likely won`t ever be. Damned by your religion if you do integrate, damned by the natives if you don`t.
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Sun 25 Aug 16:22
Integration, or refusal to do so is a very interesting point to me, Its been pointed out that segregation in some form is natural. What does someone want when moving house? A halal butcher or a polish import supermarket maybe wanted for some in the UK, same as a good pub or chippy might be desirable for others.
I don`t think that`s a problem in itself, but when different communities do meet, then how the react to each other is very important and that comes from all sides.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Aug 20:24
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pars4life1, Sun 25 Aug 16:22
Integration, or refusal to do so is a very interesting point to me, Its been pointed out that segregation in some form is natural. What does someone want when moving house? A halal butcher or a polish import supermarket maybe wanted for some in the UK, same as a good pub or chippy might be desirable for others.
I don`t think that`s a problem in itself, but when different communities do meet, then how the react to each other is very important and that comes from all sides.
Both you and Jake making good points there.
I’m actually married to an immigrant. She’s been here since 96. Going to visit her family was a good lesson for me. Learnt a lot, not just about different cultures but actually how lucky we’ve been in the UK/West. We take our comfortable lives for granted at times. 80% of the world doesn’t have it this good.
It’s a complicated situation. We can’t be all one way or the other. Open borders won’t work, closed borders won’t work. We need to have a feasible way for people to emigrate but we also need to limit those that we don’t want. Sweden made a huge mistake with its policies but Denmark seems to have found a good solution for itself. I’m not saying the Denmark model would work for the UK but it might be worth exploring why they made the decisions they did.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 26 Aug 11:02
It`s hard for us to interpret in Scotland as we don`t really experience it. The migration has been a lot smaller both in terms of economic migrants and asylum seekers.
We`ve got the perfect storm right now - economic stagnation, right wing press, high migration.
I`m not saying there aren`t issues with immigrants coming in, but they`re not the reason the country is knackered. It all goes back to those bankers the taxpayer bailed out. We`re now hammered by them as interest rates go up, hammered by privately owned public transport, hammered by energy suppliers. It`s convenient to scapegoat Kabeer from Pakistan or Kai the trans man.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Mon 26 Aug 15:07
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NMCmassive, Sun 25 Aug 20:24
Sweden made a huge mistake with its policies but Denmark seems to have found a good solution for itself.
Sweden gaslit themselves…
After a particularly good experience with immigration of (almost exclusively middle class and educated) Iranians fleeing the revolution and subsequent persecution in late 70’s and early 80’s.
The Iranians I knew integrated, already spoke English, learned Swedish, intermarried with locals and were part of a very successful immigration experience for the Swedes.
The Swedes kinda assumed that the next load of ‘Asylum seekers’ would be similarly thankful for the safety of Sweden and would be keen to integrate and further enrich the country.
Unfortunately for them, instead of educated professional Persians looking to make a new life, they got mainly unskilled, ignorant Arabs who offered nothing and refused to integrate.
Since then, we see ghettos being created, rising crime, horrific rape numbers - immigration integration failure.
We are now seeing similar all over Europe, in Germany, France, England.
So far in Scotland, we have been fortunate to not have so many incidents, mainly due to lack of numbers here - these people seem to prefer to congregate in bigger towns and cities further south.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 27 Aug 15:43
The benefits cap alongside a desire to reduce migration sums up the wrong-headed thinking that populist policies bring.
In a time of falling populations people want to both discourage the locals from having kids and prevent new people from settling here. It`s madness
The way our country is set up means that we require a portion of our population to be ignorant and desperate. The only way that will change is if we pay "key workers" (remember that phrase?) much much more: at least enough that they can raise a family comfortably on 40 hours a week without relying on benefits. Until we are prepared to do that then we will rely on desparate and ignorant migrants for certain, crucial, jobs.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 27 Aug 18:21
As long as we stay part of the UK we are fooked..Nothing is getting better and won’t. The promises made by the red Tories have been proven to be a bunch of lies and the have only been in Gov for a few weeks.
Starmer is right about one thing…..well half a thing. The things are going to get worse part.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014…..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 28 Aug 13:37
Being in or out the UK doesn`t really matter when it comes to migration as we wouldn`t be able to deviate too much from UK policy so as to avoid border checks.
It IS ridiculous though that we have a situation where only the really wealthy or really poor can afford to have children. At the same time we`re telling young, foreign workers to bugger off despite having an aging population.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 28 Aug 15:34
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jake89, Wed 28 Aug 13:37
Being in or out the UK doesn`t really matter when it comes to migration as we wouldn`t be able to deviate too much from UK policy so as to avoid border checks.
It IS ridiculous though that we have a situation where only the really wealthy or really poor can afford to have children. At the same time we`re telling young, foreign workers to bugger off despite having an aging population.
It`s alright Keir will sort it out in Germany today!🤭🥴
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 29 Aug 03:20
Quote:
Wotsit, Tue 27 Aug 15:43
The benefits cap alongside a desire to reduce migration sums up the wrong-headed thinking that populist policies bring.
In a time of falling populations people want to both discourage the locals from having kids and prevent new people from settling here. It`s madness
The way our country is set up means that we require a portion of our population to be ignorant and desperate. The only way that will change is if we pay "key workers" (remember that phrase?) much much more: at least enough that they can raise a family comfortably on 40 hours a week without relying on benefits. Until we are prepared to do that then we will rely on desparate and ignorant migrants for certain, crucial, jobs.
Legal migration is the highest level it’s ever been in to the UK (we took in around 1.2million legally last year. Around 550,000 left) Through the 90’s we had a net gain of around 40,000ish year on year.
A gain of 650,000 every year for our size of population seems excessive to me. I’m all for immigration but not at a rate that’s detrimental to the population already here.
Also worth noting that just less than 40,000 illegal immigrants made it to the UK last year. Of course the boats make great headlines/click bait but it’s pretty incredible that the amount of illegal entries is now at the level of legal entries 20 or so years ago.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 29 Aug 03:33
Quote:
jake89, Wed 28 Aug 13:37
Being in or out the UK doesn`t really matter when it comes to migration as we wouldn`t be able to deviate too much from UK policy so as to avoid border checks.
It IS ridiculous though that we have a situation where only the really wealthy or really poor can afford to have children. At the same time we`re telling young, foreign workers to bugger off despite having an aging population.
We’re not actually telling foreign workers to bugger off tho. That’s a wee bit of a myth. Yeah Brexit was a bit of a spanner in the bureaucratic works but that’s basically been worked through. We do seem to be getting a lot more people coming from the Caribbean tho-I’m guessing the old commonwealth state is something to do with that.
We are squashing the middle class though. No point in owning anything as you’ll just be taxed to high heaven on it. Just think “you’ll own nothing and be happy” and try to forget we’ve got a Labour leader that’s recently been buttering up the WEF…
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 29 Aug 06:31
I suppose the folk whose tents are lining the doorways of Princes Street should think themselves lucky that they`re not in mid management roles, or they`d REALLY be suffering.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 29 Aug 07:03
Brexit was a middle finger to foreign workers. Although the loss of European workers has been covered to some extent by non-Europeans, the shortfall is significant.
As with anything, there are obviously cases of abuse, but migrant workers and illegal immigrants aren`t the issue. We need to tackle people spreading hate regardless of their religion or skin colour. Fake news is spread with no punishment. The government and media don`t care. Distract the common man from realising wages are low, costs of living are high, your public services are failing and your children will need to leave the country if they want a good life. Remember when people would buy a car or a mobile? Now these things are all so expensive that saving up isn`t an option. You`re paying monthly at a ridiculous price and don`t immediately notice the price hikes because it`s spread over 48 easy payments. You seem to have less and less each month but it`s not the big company`s fault. No, it`s Adil or Piotr. They destroyed "British values". Sadly, the reality is rich men destroyed these values and are laughing at you.
They did an episode of the Professionals in the 1970s that I believe was only shown once. It covered how easy it was to warp minds and create racists by feeding a narrative the blacks were the enemy. The ending would have been very shocking in the 1970s but accurate. Nowadays some melt would say it was "woke". Depressing.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 1 Nov 02:37
The level of the coverup has been astounding.
The Prime Minister, The Cabinet, The CPS, The Police and legacy media have all colluded to hide the fact this was an Islamist, terrorist incident.
I think Starmer has enough of a stonking majority (with 20% of the vote) for him to keep his job, but under "normal" circumstances he`d surely have to resign.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 1 Nov 16:24
This appears to be a simple case of bureaucracy. It seems likely the deaths will NOT be considered the result of a murderous terrorist, but he may have an additional charge against him that WILL be considered a terrorist act.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 1 Nov 23:25
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jake89, Thu 29 Aug 07:03
Brexit was a middle finger to foreign workers. Although the loss of European workers has been covered to some extent by non-Europeans, the shortfall is significant.
As with anything, there are obviously cases of abuse, but migrant workers and illegal immigrants aren`t the issue. We need to tackle people spreading hate regardless of their religion or skin colour. Fake news is spread with no punishment. The government and media don`t care. Distract the common man from realising wages are low, costs of living are high, your public services are failing and your children will need to leave the country if they want a good life. Remember when people would buy a car or a mobile? Now these things are all so expensive that saving up isn`t an option. You`re paying monthly at a ridiculous price and don`t immediately notice the price hikes because it`s spread over 48 easy payments. You seem to have less and less each month but it`s not the big company`s fault. No, it`s Adil or Piotr. They destroyed "British values". Sadly, the reality is rich men destroyed these values and are laughing at you.
They did an episode of the Professionals in the 1970s that I believe was only shown once. It covered how easy it was to warp minds and create racists by feeding a narrative the blacks were the enemy. The ending would have been very shocking in the 1970s but accurate. Nowadays some melt would say it was "woke". Depressing.
The problem with “fake news” is MSM seem to be peddling as much fake news as anybody.
Who decides what is fake news and what isn’t? I certainly don’t trust the BBC/STV/C4 etc the same as I don’t trust some faceless X avatar… and don’t start me on the Gov, police… everything that’s starting to come out about Axel Rudakubana is another example of out right lies from those we are supposed to trust.
Btw the new rumours online about his family history are fairly horrific. I’m taking them with a pinch of salt because it’s basically pub talk online but if they’re to believed and turn out to be true, it makes the Southport incident, it’s perpetrator and the misinformation spread by the police and the media that much worse.
Yeah, the murder of 3 children and the disfigurement of another 8 children could be overshadowed by the family history…
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 1 Nov 23:27
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jake89, Fri 1 Nov 16:24
This appears to be a simple case of bureaucracy. It seems likely the deaths will NOT be considered the result of a murderous terrorist, but he may have an additional charge against him that WILL be considered a terrorist act.
Which is an absolute crock of BS in my humble opinion
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 2 Nov 08:04
NMC, the information regarding his parents is based on people doing a Google search of their name and finding someone who has the same name. I don`t believe it`s been evidenced that they were his parents, just that they have the same surname. Over 3000 people have that name. It may be it IS his parents but a big issue is internet "sleuths" finding something that fits their narrative and portraying it as fact. It then gets spread very quickly by a network of people who don`t question it.
If it transpires the people being suggested as being his parents ARE the people named then that raises some questions. The first being - why the f*** are they in this country?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 2 Nov 09:41
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jake89, Sat 2 Nov 08:04
NMC, the information regarding his parents is based on people doing a Google search of their name and finding someone who has the same name. I don`t believe it`s been evidenced that they were his parents, just that they have the same surname. Over 3000 people have that name. It may be it IS his parents but a big issue is internet "sleuths" finding something that fits their narrative and portraying it as fact. It then gets spread very quickly by a network of people who don`t question it.
If it transpires the people being suggested as being his parents ARE the people named then that raises some questions. The first being - why the f*** are they in this country?
Yeah, hence me saying I’ll take it with a pinch of salt and I’d advise everyone to do so but so far the internet sleuths have been more right than wrong and people who are supposed to right, have been telling us other things 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 2 Nov 11:09
Where can you find out about these rumours? I`ve done the most basic of searches but having said that I don`t really want to have to go into the utter cesspits of the internet to read a bunch of racists revelling in this type of thing spreading unsubstantiated rumours.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 2 Nov 11:25
Folk posting untruths on the internet? Who knew?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 2 Nov 23:18
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wee eck, Sat 2 Nov 11:25
Folk posting untruths on the internet? Who knew?
Been a decapitated body and head found on the Cowgate in Edinburgh tonight and theres 7 different ways that it happened according to X……
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 2 Nov 23:23
The Cowgate story was a very sad accident. The people posting nonsense stories and sharing photos need to sort themselves out. A guy has sadly died and they`re acting like it`s an episode of CSI.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 6 Nov 08:43
Topic Originator: NMCmassive like
Date: Thu 29 Aug 03:20
Quote:
Wotsit, Tue 27 Aug 15:43
The benefits cap alongside a desire to reduce migration sums up the wrong-headed thinking that populist policies bring.
In a time of falling populations people want to both discourage the locals from having kids and prevent new people from settling here. It`s madness
The way our country is set up means that we require a portion of our population to be ignorant and desperate. The only way that will change is if we pay "key workers" (remember that phrase?) much much more: at least enough that they can raise a family comfortably on 40 hours a week without relying on benefits. Until we are prepared to do that then we will rely on desparate and ignorant migrants for certain, crucial, jobs.
Legal migration is the highest level it’s ever been in to the UK (we took in around 1.2million legally last year. Around 550,000 left) Through the 90’s we had a net gain of around 40,000ish year on year.
A gain of 650,000 every year for our size of population seems excessive to me. I’m all for immigration but not at a rate that’s detrimental to the population already here.
Also worth noting that just less than 40,000 illegal immigrants made it to the UK last year. Of course the boats make great headlines/click bait but it’s pretty incredible that the amount of illegal entries is now at the level of legal entries 20 or so years ago.
Are you sure they are all “ illegal “ ? I think you will find most are not…..if you claim asylum, you are not illegal……
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 6 Nov 22:46
Quote:
desparado, Wed 6 Nov 08:43
Topic Originator: NMCmassive like
Date: Thu 29 Aug 03:20
Quote:
Wotsit, Tue 27 Aug 15:43
The benefits cap alongside a desire to reduce migration sums up the wrong-headed thinking that populist policies bring.
In a time of falling populations people want to both discourage the locals from having kids and prevent new people from settling here. It`s madness
The way our country is set up means that we require a portion of our population to be ignorant and desperate. The only way that will change is if we pay "key workers" (remember that phrase?) much much more: at least enough that they can raise a family comfortably on 40 hours a week without relying on benefits. Until we are prepared to do that then we will rely on desparate and ignorant migrants for certain, crucial, jobs.
Legal migration is the highest level it’s ever been in to the UK (we took in around 1.2million legally last year. Around 550,000 left) Through the 90’s we had a net gain of around 40,000ish year on year.
A gain of 650,000 every year for our size of population seems excessive to me. I’m all for immigration but not at a rate that’s detrimental to the population already here.
Also worth noting that just less than 40,000 illegal immigrants made it to the UK last year. Of course the boats make great headlines/click bait but it’s pretty incredible that the amount of illegal entries is now at the level of legal entries 20 or so years ago.
Are you sure they are all “ illegal “ ? I think you will find most are not…..if you claim asylum, you are not illegal……
If you were trying to sneak into the UK but got caught would you
A be truthful, say sorry and hope they won’t send you back
B claim to be an asylum seeker where you’ll be given basic housing, financial support including welfare benefits, healthcare, education and a protection from detention. Oh and you’re not allowed to work for at least 12 months 👍🏻
I’m sure that asylum seekers do apply for asylum in the UK but I’m also 100% certain 100% of illegal immigrants claim to be asylum seekers when caught
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