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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 11 Dec 22:17
I will never understand people harming kids like that. It`s obviously something related to mental health but these guys are utter scumbags.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 12 Dec 07:54
Yeah I just cant get my head round it either?
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 12 Dec 13:12
I’m for re-introducing the death penalty.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 12 Dec 18:42
I can only hope both of them are kept alive for regular beatings in prison, rinse and repeat.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Parnott
Date: Sat 14 Dec 07:40
Add these vile creatures to the list.
BBC News - Couple planned to flee after toddler Isabella murdered in Ipswich - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2pg04jq50o
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 14 Dec 21:43
Too many kids being killed by the very people that should be caring for them, in recent times.
Add one vote to bringing back the death penalty.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 14 Dec 23:21
And yet people across the UK moan about social work "interference". The courts are a disgrace though.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 15 Dec 00:02
I can understand calls for the death penalty when emotions are high after these things happen.
Far too many innocent people have been hanged for me to agree.
The problem with the DP is saying sorry to relatives when the deceased is discovered to be innocent doesn`t make them feel any better.
Two wrongs will never make a right.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 15 Dec 00:33
Just watching the documentary on the murder of Ashley Wadsworth.
Why are we paying to keep this scum in prison?
Google her name
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 15 Dec 08:51
Watch the Question Time debate between Ian Hislop and Priti Patel and you will see why the death penalty should never be brought back.
Shat should happen is more prisons built with proper sentencing being given to these beasts.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 15 Dec 11:07
There is zero chance of Capital Punishment being reintroduced in the UK - it was even abolished for Treason a few years ago.
The last serious attempt to vote it through Parliament failed by a large majority in 1994.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 17 Dec 18:43
Both got life
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Wed 8 Jan 13:52
I think the death penalty is too lenient. A couple of years of torture should take place first. Rapists should be thoroughly raped during their sentence, then have their tadgers cut off.
Extreme yes,but definitely necessary. An eye for an eye and all that.
Not in this nanny state though. F`ing joke of a world.
Bring on vigilantism.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 8 Jan 18:37
"A couple of years of torture should take place first."
Like back to back season tickets for EEP ?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 8 Jan 18:41
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Wed 8 Jan 13:52
I think the death penalty is too lenient. A couple of years of torture should take place first. Rapists should be thoroughly raped during their sentence, then have their tadgers cut off.
Extreme yes,but definitely necessary. An eye for an eye and all that.
Not in this nanny state though. F`ing joke of a world.
Bring on vigilantism.
Expensive to keep them alive though, maybe they could charge people a fee to be the torturer or rapist for a day. Probably a good market for that. Could be a bit like those gifts you can buy folk, `zookeeper for a day`, `feed the penguins` etc. Buy the angry person in your life a Torture a Rapist experience
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 10 Jan 02:12
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Wed 8 Jan 13:52
I think the death penalty is too lenient. A couple of years of torture should take place first. Rapists should be thoroughly raped during their sentence, then have their tadgers cut off.
Extreme yes,but definitely necessary. An eye for an eye and all that.
Not in this nanny state though. F`ing joke of a world.
Bring on vigilantism.
I can understand your wrath but do you thing a guy wrongfully convicted of rape should suffer this too.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 27 Jan 20:22
What about these seven mutants in Glasgow horrifically abusing young children under 13 years of age ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 27 Jan 22:16
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Mon 27 Jan 20:22
What about these seven mutants in Glasgow horrifically abusing young children under 13 years of age ?
Disgusting.
I have no idea why these people always get off so lightly.
I’ve had family members who looked after foster children and some of the stories of their backgrounds is no real. Every type of abuse imaginable. Think about it to much and it’ll make you no well.
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 27 Jan 23:37
The issue with any punishment is it`s more about the person rather than the crime. Jail time is a deterrent to many but not to everyone. The problem with the knee who don`t care is there isn`t much in the way of alternatives. Even death likely isn`t much of a deterrent.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 28 Jan 14:51
Quote:
jake89, Mon 27 Jan 23:37
The issue with any punishment is it`s more about the person rather than the crime. Jail time is a deterrent to many but not to everyone. The problem with the knee who don`t care is there isn`t much in the way of alternatives. Even death likely isn`t much of a deterrent.
Useful for the reoffending rates though. 🤭
My wife looked at me at the weekend as I said the same thing but about the knife attacker who attacked the kids at the Taylor Swift dance group. Why do we have to support these guys jail time for the rest of his life. No point. Just get rid.
She says I am starting to sound like an old fart.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 28 Jan 17:19
Raymie is spot on .. mutants they even look like mutants
The sad thing is these young vulnerable kids returned to the beastie house as they had nowhere else to go
The trial heard that the children first came into contact with social work in Glasgow in August 2017 and were deemed to be at risk in July 2018.
But the allegations of violence and sexual abuse did not come to light until March 2020.
Yet another huge failure by the services who were supposed to protect the poor souls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxj570n21o
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 28 Jan 22:46
I think that folk are misunderstanding the motives of the people who commit these crimes.
These aren`t people who consider the repercussions of their actions. The potential punishment is not part of their thinking when they do what they do, they think that they won`t be caught so the punishment is irrelevant. There are certain crimes where there`s no point in society using punishment as a deterrent because folk who want to commit those crimes will just do it whatever society says.
The consequences of that are that we risk having revenge or virtue signalling as a social norm.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 29 Jan 06:48
I suppose if the death penalty was a deterrent, then when it was policy, we either would never have hung anyone or only done it once (to show we will do it) and those crimes punishable by death would have instantly stopped.
what the death penalty does is answer is society’s need to explicitly say that the worst crimes are not tolerated and will be punished appropriately.
It draws a line under the worst case so we don’t read about them being eligible for parole in 25 years time or that they’ve been attacked or have cancer or whatever.
It spares society of the cost of support and maintenance of the worst offenders (don’t care what anyone says, a bit of rope or bullet is cheaper than a lifetime of guarding and feeding.
So for me it’s not a deterrent, but fully understand that society wants to address the balance.
Post Edited (Wed 29 Jan 06:49)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 29 Jan 07:57
You can do that by locking people away.
Then, when you inevitably get it wrong you can simply open the door and apologise.
Less easy to say sorry to someone you killed.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 29 Jan 09:22
Why don’t we just make prisons an unlikeable place to be and then give proper sentences for serious offenders?
UK prisons - Sky TV, games consoles, pool tables, decent cells, dreadful sentencing rules.
US prisons - no TV, no games consoles, awful cells, very strict sentencing rules.
Look at the differences between Louis Theroux documentaires on prisons and the ones done on Bellmarsh and Barlinnie. Massive differences.
Maybe its the judges with the lenient sentences that are the problem?
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 29 Jan 11:19
"Maybe its the judges with the lenient sentences that are the problem?"
judges themselves are restricted in sentences they can deliver for crimes.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 29 Jan 11:36
Which category of prison are you describing in your post, Dave? There are four categories in England and three in Scotland.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 29 Jan 13:20
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 29 Jan 09:22
Why don’t we just make prisons an unlikeable place to be and then give proper sentences for serious offenders?
UK prisons - Sky TV, games consoles, pool tables, decent cells, dreadful sentencing rules.
US prisons - no TV, no games consoles, awful cells, very strict sentencing rules.
Look at the differences between Louis Theroux documentaires on prisons and the ones done on Bellmarsh and Barlinnie. Massive differences.
Maybe its the judges with the lenient sentences that are the problem?
By using the US as an example you have negated your own argument though. It`s hardly a crime free utopia.
The nations we want to emulate, the ones with the lowest recidivism rates, are places like Norway which has gone the opposite route and has made prison a place where people have their liberty removed but that`s basically the only punishment with the focus being placed firmly on rehabilitation and reform.
It basically depends on what you want to achieve. The US system is fine if you want to enact revenge on behalf of society for wrongs done against it and the Norwegian system is great if your priority is to reduce reoffending.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 29 Jan 22:05
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 29 Jan 09:22
Why don’t we just make prisons an unlikeable place to be and then give proper sentences for serious offenders?
UK prisons - Sky TV, games consoles, pool tables, decent cells, dreadful sentencing rules.
US prisons - no TV, no games consoles, awful cells, very strict sentencing rules.
Look at the differences between Louis Theroux documentaires on prisons and the ones done on Bellmarsh and Barlinnie. Massive differences.
Maybe its the judges with the lenient sentences that are the problem?
Honestly, I wouldn’t be highlighting the US prison system as successful. It’s just a money making scheme that has a major lobbying group to keep prisons both private and full. The facilities are known to be inadequate and the inmates are sometimes forced into work. Which the local/state governments and politicians make a lot of money from. Including the Clintons I believe 🤔 off the top of my head so I could be wrong.
IMHO the majority of prisons should be more about removing people from society to give them a chance to rehabilitate and become productive members of society.
I’ve got to say though, not all crimes are equal. Not all prison need to be about rehabilitation
COYP
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 29 Jan 22:41
"By using the US as an example you have negated your own argument though. It`s hardly a crime free utopia."
The USA is hardly comparable with other countries, in fact you can`t compare individual states against others.
Many don`t have the death penalty, although the majority still do.
Michigan, for example, was the first legal jurisdiction in the English speaking world to abolish capital punishment in 1847.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 29 Jan 22:53
The Death penalty is a barbaric practice that rightfully was binned.
Post Edited (Wed 29 Jan 22:53)
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Topic Originator: DAftbugger
Date: Thu 30 Jan 12:23
Emotional Response -
It would need to be a very high bar to warrant the death penalty, cases like this where the behavior and suffering is so appalling, they effectively removed the victims human rights and by my logic therefore concede their own, I`d be happy to see these people permanently removed from the gene pool.
Financial Response -
2022/23 Year it cost on average £52,0000 a year to keep someone in jail, presumably more if they also require protection or isolation.
I would say there are far better uses for the 52k per person per year than keeping some of these people fed, watered and sheltered.
For example victim support, NHS, tax cuts, education, community projects, the arts, pothole repairs in fact i`d accept nearly any other use for the money.
Sure no system is fool proof but its not like there are that many mis-carriages of justice when it comes to the worst of the worst crimes.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 30 Jan 23:48
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 29 Jan 09:22
Why don’t we just make prisons an unlikeable place to be and then give proper sentences for serious offenders?
UK prisons - Sky TV, games consoles, pool tables, decent cells, dreadful sentencing rules.
US prisons - no TV, no games consoles, awful cells, very strict sentencing rules.
Look at the differences between Louis Theroux documentaires on prisons and the ones done on Bellmarsh and Barlinnie. Massive differences.
Maybe its the judges with the lenient sentences that are the problem?
Have you ever been in prison. I`m going to visit someone next week if you want to tag along and ask some opinions in the visiting room.
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