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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 20 Feb 09:04
Polis Alba handcuffing a 74 year old woman pensioner before removing her from an abortion buffer zone What they think she might do…vault over a fence and do a runner?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 20 Feb 09:54
Procedures only work if they are followed every time.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 20 Feb 10:13
FAFO. Don`t care what your age is.
Organised protest Within the buffer zone. The daft old biddy knew what she was doing. Time we launched these evangelical nonce's into the middle of the Atlantic where they belong
Post Edited (Thu 20 Feb 11:04)
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 20 Feb 13:09
You`ve got to remember you are dealing with zealots who view killing an unborn child as "reproductive rights".
The fact this form of termination is available up to 26 weeks is horrific and people not allowed to conduct private prayer is beyond Orwellian. The purpose of this authoritarian move is control, like all despotic regimes they need total compliance and anyone not conforming to be ostracised and called names.
"Free speech is the bedrock of a free society. Without it, all other liberties crumble, for it is through open discourse that truth is sought and tyranny is challenged."
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 20 Feb 13:19
Presumably `free speech` includes telling lies about another country`s legislation?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 20 Feb 13:39
They should throw the book at her to make an example of her. The poor women that are going through this probably feel bad enough without these religious nutjobs guilt tripping them. They know what they are doing, it`s intimidation, and it`s not very Christian
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 20 Feb 13:52
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Thu 20 Feb 13:09
You`ve got to remember you are dealing with zealots who view killing an unborn child as "reproductive rights".
The fact this form of termination is available up to 26 weeks is horrific and people not allowed to conduct private prayer is beyond Orwellian. The purpose of this authoritarian move is control, like all despotic regimes they need total compliance and anyone not conforming to be ostracised and called names.
"Free speech is the bedrock of a free society. Without it, all other liberties crumble, for it is through open discourse that truth is sought and tyranny is challenged."
Cry harder.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 20 Feb 14:21
`Freedom to` is less important in my view than `freedom from`
Vulnerable women`s right to proper healthcare is more important than someone`s right to shout abuse at them for example.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 20 Feb 14:28
My point was not about the arrest, but handcuffs on a 74 year old? Good grief!
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 20 Feb 14:57
Quote:
Parboiled, Thu 20 Feb 14:28
My point was not about the arrest, but handcuffs on a 74 year old? Good grief!
Lucky she wasn`t heckled by a raging horde if Evangelicals. She knew what she was doing and at that age, no excuses. Hope she enjoys her cell overnight
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 20 Feb 16:29
The relevant legislation went through various stages of the political determination debate etc. over a relatively long period of time.
Both sides had the opportunity to make persuasive arguements and (if memory serves) it went to unsuccessful appeal by the losing faction.
I`m against abortion as retrospective birth control - however once the Law is in place the objectors need to respect it.
The police are in a classic no win situation - damned if they do, and damned if they don`t.
Had they not acted that would have enboldened those few protestors to push their luck a wee bit more to see how far they could go.
Handcuffing the old lady seems a bit OTT - however I believe it`s standard procedure for anybody formally arrested.
Post Edited (Thu 20 Feb 16:31)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 20 Feb 16:37
Maybe they couldn`t be sure she was an old lady!
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 20 Feb 17:01
Quote:
Andrew283, Thu 20 Feb 10:13
FAFO. Don`t care what your age is.
Organised protest Within the buffer zone. The daft old biddy knew what she was doing. Time we launched these evangelical nonce`s into the middle of the Atlantic where they belong
I don`t disagree re the typical evangelical as seen in the media, but you do get that it isn`t just evangelicals that are anti abortion right?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 20 Feb 18:00
Are you for real VEE?
How the hell do you believe that abortions are used as birth control?
You can only have an abortion if you’re already pregnant!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 20 Feb 18:08
Buffy - the word retrospective was clear enough - and yes it is regularly used in circumstances where conception could have been avoided.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 20 Feb 18:26
That is absolutely false VEE.
Retrospective? An abortion does not stop you from becoming pregnant. It is not in any way shape or form any kind of birth control. It is a procedure to halt a pregnancy that has already occurred.
Women can become pregnant after they’ve had an abortion also.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 20 Feb 18:31
You are very clearly confusing conception control and birth control, they are not the same.
The latter is regularly used because the former was not - when it should have been.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 20 Feb 18:33
I think you’ve confused the word abortion with contraception VEE.
An abortion is when a woman is already pregnant. It is not a form of birth control nor has it ever been used as such.
Birth control and conception control are the same thing. They help to prevent pregnancy; they don’t halt a pregnancy.
Retrospective birth control is emergency contraception ie the morning after pill. This is used when normal birth control hasn’t worked ie a condom has split / the woman has been unwell from her usual birth control and feels at risk of pregnancy.
An abortion is not retrospective birth control. It is only used to stop an already pregnant woman.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Thu 20 Feb 19:24)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 20 Feb 18:51
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Thu 20 Feb 19:24)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 20 Feb 20:13
Imagine living in a world where people get upset about other people choosing what to do with their own bodies because someone wrote in a book one day that it was bad……..
People get abortions for plenty of reasons. The majority of the time it’s a better option than if the foetus develops and is born into a bad/unwanted situation.
The people protesting should be put in a position, where they must take said baby themself, feed, clothe, care and pay for the child for 18 years, then also add pay/support for the mental hurt of the mother as well. Let’s see how many of them take on the challenge.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 20 Feb 20:21
"People get abortions for plenty of reasons."
Indeed, including in many cases where it solves a problem which could and should have been avoided.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 20 Feb 20:29
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 20 Feb 20:21
"People get abortions for plenty of reasons."
Indeed, including in many cases where it solves a problem which could and should have been avoided.
Quite possibly, circumstances can change in life though, maybe try not being so crass in how you put it across until you are in that persons shoes though 👍🏻
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 20 Feb 20:41
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 20 Feb 20:21
"People get abortions for plenty of reasons."
Indeed, including in many cases where it solves a problem which could and should have been avoided.
You’re still not getting it VEE, nor are you admitting you got it wrong.
An abortion is a medical procedure that ends a pregnancy by removing or expelling the embryo or foetus. It can be performed using medicine or surgery.
For what feels like the hundredth time, an abortion is NOT a form of birth control. It can only be done AFTER conception.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 20 Feb 20:43
People need to be responsible for their own actions - so if the shoe fits due to lack of that at the appropriate time ?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 20 Feb 20:54
Buffy - enough of the lectures, please.
I fully and completely understand the medical aspects etc.
For some/many it is a convenient "get out of jail card" subsequent to their inability to prevent conception.
It is performed before birth, post conception - therefore it must be a form of birth control in the literal sense of the word.
Post Edited (Thu 20 Feb 20:54)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 20 Feb 20:57
Quote:
buffy, Thu 20 Feb 20:41
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 20 Feb 20:21
"People get abortions for plenty of reasons."
Indeed, including in many cases where it solves a problem which could and should have been avoided.
You’re still not getting it VEE, nor are you admitting you got it wrong.
An abortion is a medical procedure that ends a pregnancy by removing or expelling the embryo or foetus. It can be performed using medicine or surgery.
For what feels like the hundredth time, an abortion is NOT a form of birth control. It can only be done AFTER conception.
I`m with VEE on this, it is birth control. It`s stopping a birth. Literally, it is birth control
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 20 Feb 21:08
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 20 Feb 20:54
Buffy - enough of the lectures, please.
I fully and completely understand the medical aspects etc.
For some/many it is a convenient "get out of jail card" subsequent to their inability to prevent conception.
It is performed before birth, post conception - therefore it must be a form of birth control in the literal sense of the word.
“Many” - come on, if you’re going to claim this then back it up with stat and facts?
Its genuinely mind boggling the narrow mindedness is staggering. You can certainly ascertain your age from your mindset anyway!
You do know that contraception isn’t a 100% science eh? You do know contraception doesn’t prevent r@pe and sexual assault eh? You do know contraception doesn’t prevent people living on the poverty line eh?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 20 Feb 21:10
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 20 Feb 20:57
Quote:
buffy, Thu 20 Feb 20:41
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 20 Feb 20:21
"People get abortions for plenty of reasons."
Indeed, including in many cases where it solves a problem which could and should have been avoided.
You’re still not getting it VEE, nor are you admitting you got it wrong.
An abortion is a medical procedure that ends a pregnancy by removing or expelling the embryo or foetus. It can be performed using medicine or surgery.
For what feels like the hundredth time, an abortion is NOT a form of birth control. It can only be done AFTER conception.
I`m with VEE on this, it is birth control. It`s stopping a birth. Literally, it is birth control
That’s not what birth control means. Birth control is a term used for contraception.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 20 Feb 21:12
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 20 Feb 20:54
Buffy - enough of the lectures, please.
I fully and completely understand the medical aspects etc.
You really don’t.
For some/many it is a convenient "get out of jail card" subsequent to their inability to prevent conception.
No contraception is 100% effective. Not even abstinence. See Dave’s post about rape, also. “Get out of jail card” is unbelievably crass and shows contempt to women who can find themselves in a position you can’t even begin to imagine.
It is performed before birth, post conception - therefore it must be a form of birth control in the literal sense of the word
It is not birth control. The medical (and non medical) terminology for birth control is contraception ie to prevent pregnancy.
Lecture? You’re the one telling a woman what reproductive health means!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Thu 20 Feb 22:16)
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Thu 20 Feb 21:17
Baffling that folk think women(with or without discussion with a man) are genuinely choosing abortions over contraceptive methods.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 20 Feb 21:19
Clearly there are diverging opinions, this has been futile.
Time to beam me up Scotty.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 20 Feb 21:20
Birth control isn`t 100% effective.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 20 Feb 21:33
Quote:
Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Thu 20 Feb 21:17
Baffling that folk think women(with or without discussion with a man) are genuinely choosing abortions over contraceptive methods.
The "choice" in these case (and it takes two to tango here) is the choice to act irresponsibly, possibly under the influence of alcohol or drugs or something even more powerful....sexual passion.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Fri 21 Feb 00:31
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Thu 20 Feb 21:33
Quote:
Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Thu 20 Feb 21:17
Baffling that folk think women(with or without discussion with a man) are genuinely choosing abortions over contraceptive methods.
The "choice" in these case (and it takes two to tango here) is the choice to act irresponsibly, possibly under the influence of alcohol or drugs or something even more powerful....sexual passion.
Tell that to the young woman who through no fault of her own has fallen pregnant after being raped as she walked home from college/work/a night out pretty sure she never woke up that morning and thought to herself you know what I think I’ll go out and get raped today
I hope they put the cuffs on the old cow extra tight to the point where it hurt she knows the law so it’s a classic example of **** around and find out
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 21 Feb 01:46
Quote:
Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net like
Date: Fri 21 Feb 00:31
Tell that to the young woman who through no fault of her own has fallen pregnant after being raped as she walked home from college/work/a night out pretty sure she never woke up that morning and thought to herself you know what I think I’ll go out and get raped today
Your scenario is about as far away from mine of consenting adults in the height of passion that is possible.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Fri 21 Feb 05:41
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Fri 21 Feb 01:46
Quote:
Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net like
Date: Fri 21 Feb 00:31
Tell that to the young woman who through no fault of her own has fallen pregnant after being raped as she walked home from college/work/a night out pretty sure she never woke up that morning and thought to herself you know what I think I’ll go out and get raped today
Your scenario is about as far away from mine of consenting adults in the height of passion that is possible.
Would you still be against abortion in that scenario tho?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 21 Feb 06:50
It`s like the Daily Mail on here where people genuinely believe people choose abortions over condoms or the pill.
The people who protest outside the clinics are not kindhearted souls, they are evil bastards who should not be associated with the church.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 21 Feb 07:39
Mencand religious zealots lecturing on abortion.
Priceless.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 21 Feb 07:53
Quote:
Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net like
Date: Fri 21 Feb 05:41
Would you still be against abortion in that scenario tho?
First of all congratulations on reigning it in, usually when an overgeneralisation is presented the victim has all kinds of intersections like disability or on some spectrum, an addict deaf in one eye etc, etc.
But no, I`m not playing strawman...for your poor anecdotal girl is someone you are just throwing into the vanguard misdirect the whole irresponsible behaviour discussion.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 21 Feb 08:51
Couldn`t help myself responding again
"No contraception is 100% effective. Not even abstinence."
Yes to the first part - the second is simply untrue.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 21 Feb 09:22
Quote:
veteraneastender, Fri 21 Feb 08:51
Couldn`t help myself responding again
"No contraception is 100% effective. Not even abstinence."
Yes to the first part - the second is simply untrue.
Nice of you to misquote me. So your like, white elderly male solution is just, don`t have sex? Clueless.
Thankfully you have no authority over what a woman can legally do with her body
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 21 Feb 09:33
Andrew283 - I did not lift that statement from you.
However feel free to rant on regardless.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 21 Feb 14:38
Abstinence isn’t 100% effective either VEE especially when you take in the subject of sexual assault. That’s what I was referring to.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 21 Feb 14:51
Quote:
buffy, Fri 21 Feb 14:38
Abstinence isn’t 100% effective either VEE especially when you take in the subject of sexual assault. That’s what I was referring to.
Nahh, according to the Holy book (probably) it`s her fault for seducing the man. Tough tiddies
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 21 Feb 16:22
"Abstinence isn’t 100% effective either VEE especially when you take in the subject of sexual assault. That’s what I was referring to"
Introducing rape changes the definition/interpretation of abstinence, which if observed is 100% effective.
Do we really want to persevere with this futile debate ?
Post Edited (Fri 21 Feb 16:24)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 21 Feb 16:29
Quote:
veteraneastender, Fri 21 Feb 16:22
"Abstinence isn’t 100% effective either VEE especially when you take in the subject of sexual assault. That’s what I was referring to"
Introducing rape changes the definition/interpretation of abstinence, which if observed is 100% effective.
Do we really want to persevere with this futile debate ?
Its not futile when there are still people in the world with archaic views needing educated properly.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 21 Feb 16:38
You mean those who don`t understand the meaning of abstinence ?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 21 Feb 16:39
The subject of abortion is never futile.
It can be seen as a learning curve.
Facts, not opinions, have been presented on this thread.
Whichever you choose to accept / interpret is up to you.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 21 Feb 16:41
Quote:
veteraneastender, Fri 21 Feb 16:38
You mean those who don`t understand the meaning of abstinence ?
Like a rapist, for example.
I thought it was obvious what I was referring to; clearly not for those who seek to undermine facts.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 21 Feb 17:04
"I thought it was obvious what I was referring to. clearly not for those who seek to undermine facts."
You know what they say about making assumptions ?
I took your statement at face value, as absurd as I thought it was.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 21 Feb 17:19
Abortion up to 23 weeks and 6 days is legal in this country. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on the matter, but intimidating people for undergoing a perfectly legal procedure is out of order. None of these "protestors" know what these women have or are going through.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 21 Feb 19:23
Quote:
jake89, Fri 21 Feb 17:19
Abortion up to 23 weeks and 6 days is legal in this country. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on the matter, but intimidating people for undergoing a perfectly legal procedure is out of order. None of these "protestors" know what these women have or are going through.
Agreed. They deserve dignity and anonymity.
The people harassing them deserve to suffer eternal damnation
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Topic Originator: Aaron Labonte
Date: Fri 21 Feb 23:23
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 20 Feb 20:29
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 20 Feb 20:21
"People get abortions for plenty of reasons."
Indeed, including in many cases where it solves a problem which could and should have been avoided.
Quite possibly, circumstances can change in life though, maybe try not being so crass in how you put it across until you are in that persons shoes though 👍🏻
Is that any different to you complaining that the club cancelled your engagement party recently?
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 22 Feb 07:48
May I say yet again this subject is not the offence it was just that the handcuffing of a 74 year old woman looked daft.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 22 Feb 08:18
Quote:
Aaron Labonte, Fri 21 Feb 23:23
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 20 Feb 20:29
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 20 Feb 20:21
"People get abortions for plenty of reasons."
Indeed, including in many cases where it solves a problem which could and should have been avoided.
Quite possibly, circumstances can change in life though, maybe try not being so crass in how you put it across until you are in that persons shoes though 👍🏻
Is that any different to you complaining that the club cancelled your engagement party recently?
What on earth has a legion club cancelling a booked event got to do with abortion? 🤔
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 22 Feb 09:51
Why is her age and gender in any way relevant? She was rightfully arrested.
Get it right up her
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 22 Feb 14:10
So who should and shouldn`t be out in cuffs when being arrested? That woman isn`t a first offender. She`s a regular and knew what she was doing. Evil, nasty woman.
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