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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 27 Aug 12:11
Has recently bought a luxury second home for a reported £700,000 in Hove on the south coast.
That should help the housing crisis which she has referred to as Housing Minister.
She has a family home in the Greater Manchester area - as well as her official ministerial accommodation in Whitehall, the latter paid by the public purse.
Hardly wonder why so many of us are scunnered with the political circus.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 27 Aug 12:51
Does membership of a political party preclude individuals from investments and why would the same thing not apply to another party eg Tory?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 27 Aug 12:53
I’m in the wrang job
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 27 Aug 13:08
Quote:
P, Wed 27 Aug 12:51
Does membership of a political party preclude individuals from investments and why would the same thing not apply to another party eg Tory?
I think it`s the principle that she is arguing we have a housing shortage. And we need to build loads. Yet she has access to 3 herself. Which doesn`t make sense.
Same would apply to any minister responsible for housing no mater which party.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 27 Aug 13:29
I`m not clear why this has suddenly become an issue. The PM lives at 10 Downing St and has access to Chequers. Politics is a very insecure career and it makes sense to have a third home. I think Starmer rents his out.
Rayner used to rent accommodation in London before Labour won the election. If she was sacked as a Minister or Labour lost the next election she`d be looking for somewhere to stay around London. Why not pre-empt that by buying a place? Apparently she pays double council tax on it as that was a charge Labour introduced as a disincentive to buying a second home. The fact she`s Housing Minister may mean it`s not a good look but it`s hardly hypocritical.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 27 Aug 13:39
I think it`s fair to question the wealth of politicians and how it has increased during their time in power. The whole issue of why people with millions in the bank would be after a MPs pay doesn`t stack up to me, unless they have other ways they can abuse their position or line their families nest.
Democracy is dead now, MPs on both sides are bought and paid for by the bungs they take. You only need to look at the millions in donations to the Labour party by the pro Israel lobby to see that they are shaping government policy
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 27 Aug 14:05
All MPs except those who reside in the greater London area are entitled to an accommodation allowance to rent property during their time at Westminster, so she would still have the right to live in the area at public expense providing she was still a sitting member.
If she lost her seat for any reason there would be no immediate need to live in that area except by choice.
She doesn`t need to buy a second home in Hove, or anywhere else for that matter to allow her to perform as a Minister/MP - the local MP there receives the accommodation allowance to allow him/her perform his/her constituency.
She has a few skeletons in the cupboard (don`t they all ?) - like the undeclared gifts including clothes that caused problems for Starmer - and being removed from UNITE membership over her Birmingham bin strike stance.
As for paying two council taxes - maybe not a problem to anybody on nearly £160,000 a year ?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 27 Aug 14:06
I`ve always questioned the motivation of some people who become MPs, particularly on the right wing of politics. That`s one reason I could never vote Tory. I think a lot of their MPs are looking for personal advancement rather than looking after their constituents.
I`m not sure I`d put Angela Rayner in that category though and I doubt she had `millions in the bank` before she became an MP. I was surprised she got caught up in all the scandal about perks and expenses just after Labour came to power and wondered why someone with her background didn`t see the danger and use her influence in the Party to avoid all the bad publicity. I think there`s some truth in the suggestion that `power corrupts` and some folk lose their sense of fairness without realising it when they`re exposed to the trappings of power.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 27 Aug 15:56
She came from very difficult circumstances and deserves credit there - but that’s not the issue reference the luxury apartment in Hove.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 27 Aug 16:24
What exactly is the issue? Whether or not she bought a luxury pad in Hove wasn`t going to solve the housing crisis.
The Tories and their pals in the media love this sort of stuff. I remember when they mocked her for going to the Glyndebourne Opera.
(This should be on the Politics Forum btw!)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 27 Aug 16:30
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 27 Aug 16:24
What exactly is the issue? Whether or not she bought a luxury pad in Hove wasn`t going to solve the housing crisis.
The Tories and their pals in the media love this sort of stuff. I remember when they mocked her for going to the Glyndebourne Opera.
(This should be on the Politics Forum btw!)
I just think it`s tone deaf to a massive level.
"We need more houses.....houses are too expensive.....oh, I`ll just buy myself another one and make both those problems a tiny little bit worse".
It`s not the specific impact, it`s the principle.
Getting her plastered over the papers probably gets her a few more free clothes I guess.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 27 Aug 18:52
The problem is people think a politician buying a £700k apartment in Hove is making the housing crisis worse…….
The housing crisis has been made worse by the big, lego block builders, who purchase farmland and put up carbon copy housing then charge an absolute fortune for it……and the dodgey councillors that approve it.
Just look at the house prices in Duloch or the new Crossgates builds. Im 36, have worked since I was 17, and wont even get close to a deposit for one of those within a timescale that allows a pre retirement mortgage payoff. And I currently contribute to a mortgage just now, not even private rent.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 27 Aug 20:15
Can’t say I favour either party but I find it hypocritical that politicians of one party are held to a different standard to those of another when it would have been totally expected for a Tory minister in power to have multiple properties.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 27 Aug 20:34
The whole housing market is a mess Dave and has been for more than 20 years.
Earnings and prices are miles out of whack. Folk have gotten paper rich off of gambling more debt and thinking they are some investment guru. Massive ponzi scheme with the next generation being shafted, and the previous ones thinking their houses are worth the best part of a million quid.
I know that one person buying one house has no impact on the market. I`m just disgusted that she has the shame to spout crap and go off and buy another. Absolutely shameless.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 27 Aug 20:47
It’s not shameless though…..shes bought a £700k apartment, not a £30k council house…..
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 27 Aug 22:09
This is the difference between traditional Labour and New Labour though. Traditional Labour would be pushing for everyone to have a good standard of living. New Labour are much more aspirational in a way and push for the working person to expect more than just a good standard and to strive for more. That sounds great, but when the slightly better off start buying second homes it increases housing demand. Increased demand means prices go up. That`s good news for the slightly better off who bought a second home, but it`s kicking down those who are trying to work their way up.
Saying that, if Raynor wants 2, 3 600 houses then that`s her business. It doesn`t really reflect well though when turning round and saying there`s a housing crisis though!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 27 Aug 22:14
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 27 Aug 18:52
The problem is people think a politician buying a £700k apartment in Hove is making the housing crisis worse…….
The housing crisis has been made worse by the big, lego block builders, who purchase farmland and put up carbon copy housing then charge an absolute fortune for it……and the dodgey councillors that approve it.
Just look at the house prices in Duloch or the new Crossgates builds. Im 36, have worked since I was 17, and wont even get close to a deposit for one of those within a timescale that allows a pre retirement mortgage payoff. And I currently contribute to a mortgage just now, not even private rent.
If I went to buy my house in Duloch now (bought only a few years back) I`d need to borrow at least an extra £100k. That`s absolutely ridiculous. 3 bed houses we`d viewed in Pitcorthie and Garvock are now in excess of what the 4-5 bedroom houses were in Duloch. Even the Avant homes in Rosyth that are being built beside an busy road and on top of an old DUMP are over £300k I think. People in London and Edinburgh will scoff, but no-one should be paying over a quarter of a million for a house in Rosyth!
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 27 Aug 23:17
Property is theft!
Only kidding. Wee Eck has a point here - it’s a non-story.
When Frank Dobson was a cabinet minister, he used to get criticised for living in a council flat in London. So they can’t win either way.
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Topic Originator: Roger Daltrey
Date: Thu 28 Aug 07:40
I`ve never voted for either Labour or Tory, but do think the hypocrisy where Tory MPs get a free reign and Labour MPs have to live up to some higher moral standard (policed by the almost entirely right wing owned press) is a bizarre British phenomenon.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 28 Aug 14:58
Good luck to the Lassie .. New houses here in North Berwick and Dirleton .. a wee village 2 miles up the road are £825,000 for a 5 bedroomed wooden framed kit house or £745,000 for a 4 bedroomed .. Crazy
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 28 Aug 15:38
Aye, you`ve got to be loaded to live down there, Bpp!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 28 Aug 15:54
Indeed wee eck .. send more money :-o))
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 28 Aug 17:53
Quote:
Roger Daltrey, Thu 28 Aug 07:40
I`ve never voted for either Labour or Tory, but do think the hypocrisy where Tory MPs get a free reign and Labour MPs have to live up to some higher moral standard (policed by the almost entirely right wing owned press) is a bizarre British phenomenon.
The emphasis of the press seems to be even greater this time round, it was only something like 30 days before socials were full of nonsense like Starmers broken Britain when they couldn’t possibly have even done anything. It’s almost like folk don’t realise they are being led by the nose.
In reality I think Labour could make a #### of it even without the press spin.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 28 Aug 18:23
Quote:
P, Thu 28 Aug 17:53
Quote:
Roger Daltrey, Thu 28 Aug 07:40
I`ve never voted for either Labour or Tory, but do think the hypocrisy where Tory MPs get a free reign and Labour MPs have to live up to some higher moral standard (policed by the almost entirely right wing owned press) is a bizarre British phenomenon.
The emphasis of the press seems to be even greater this time round, it was only something like 30 days before socials were full of nonsense like Starmers broken Britain when they couldn’t possibly have even done anything. It’s almost like folk don’t realise they are being led by the nose.
In reality I think Labour could make a #### of it even without the press spin.
Watch LBC - it’s pretty fascinating how some of them react to things in the news. Nick Ferrari is such a Tory swill its obvious. Others try to be pragmatic and fairly even on both sides of the debate. Then James O’Brien on the left leaning side of it, but has more recently called out Starmer for things.
Just shows how easily they can manipulate it to their own agenda.
Post Edited (Thu 28 Aug 18:25)
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 29 Aug 09:02
Latest reports saying she said it was her main home to save paying additional stamp duty off c. £40k
Guess it’s labour’s turn to feather the nest of themselves and their other champagne socialist pals
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Fri 29 Aug 15:24
I hate to break it to you but £700k certainly doesn`t get you a `luxury` pad in Hove - you`ll get a 3-bed semi, or a semi-decent apartment.
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Fri 29 Aug 20:16
To be factually correct it was reported as £800k. Just saying.
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Fri 29 Aug 21:12
It does seem that Rayner’s flip flopping of her primary residence has been to minimise both capital gains tax on a previous transaction and currently to minimise stamp duty and council tax on her new residences. It appears she is currently registered to vote in three locations. This is the Minister for Housing who is currently pushing through Parliamentary legislation on the taxation of second homes. Hypocrisy?
Post Edited (Fri 29 Aug 21:13)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 30 Aug 09:09
Quote:
Roger Daltrey, Thu 28 Aug 07:40
I`ve never voted for either Labour or Tory, but do think the hypocrisy where Tory MPs get a free reign and Labour MPs have to live up to some higher moral standard (policed by the almost entirely right wing owned press) is a bizarre British phenomenon.
Is that not the point ? We expect the Tories to self serve, however Labour have (?) a different set of standards …… in theory.
She may be thinking of life outside Westminster - if Farage’s facists continue to surge in popularity her 6,000 odd majority makes her a priority target for Reform.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 30 Aug 10:19
She`s not doing anything illegal. UK tax laws have more holes than Swiss cheese.
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Sat 30 Aug 11:06
That’s strange since in the 70’s the Tax Codes ran to about 1600 pages versus about 25000 now and more to come in October. Maybe that’s the real problem!
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 30 Aug 11:18
Quote:
jake89, Sat 30 Aug 10:19
She`s not doing anything illegal. UK tax laws have more holes than Swiss cheese.
Time will tell if the allegations that are being made are upheld or not.
If she has breached tax law OR has acted in a way that`s inconsistent with the messages she has getting out to the public from her privileged position then she clearly needs to go.
That being said, given she`s going through a divorce at the moment then if it`s a short term oversight I would have sympathy with her given what`s she`s having to juggle. I think it has got to the point where she can put this to bed by giving a detailed explanation and cutting the allegations off at the knees.
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