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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 27 Aug 12:11
Has recently bought a luxury second home for a reported £700,000 in Hove on the south coast.
That should help the housing crisis which she has referred to as Housing Minister.
She has a family home in the Greater Manchester area - as well as her official ministerial accommodation in Whitehall, the latter paid by the public purse.
Hardly wonder why so many of us are scunnered with the political circus.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 27 Aug 12:51
Does membership of a political party preclude individuals from investments and why would the same thing not apply to another party eg Tory?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 27 Aug 12:53
I’m in the wrang job
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 27 Aug 13:08
Quote:
P, Wed 27 Aug 12:51
Does membership of a political party preclude individuals from investments and why would the same thing not apply to another party eg Tory?
I think it`s the principle that she is arguing we have a housing shortage. And we need to build loads. Yet she has access to 3 herself. Which doesn`t make sense.
Same would apply to any minister responsible for housing no mater which party.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 27 Aug 13:29
I`m not clear why this has suddenly become an issue. The PM lives at 10 Downing St and has access to Chequers. Politics is a very insecure career and it makes sense to have a third home. I think Starmer rents his out.
Rayner used to rent accommodation in London before Labour won the election. If she was sacked as a Minister or Labour lost the next election she`d be looking for somewhere to stay around London. Why not pre-empt that by buying a place? Apparently she pays double council tax on it as that was a charge Labour introduced as a disincentive to buying a second home. The fact she`s Housing Minister may mean it`s not a good look but it`s hardly hypocritical.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 27 Aug 13:39
I think it`s fair to question the wealth of politicians and how it has increased during their time in power. The whole issue of why people with millions in the bank would be after a MPs pay doesn`t stack up to me, unless they have other ways they can abuse their position or line their families nest.
Democracy is dead now, MPs on both sides are bought and paid for by the bungs they take. You only need to look at the millions in donations to the Labour party by the pro Israel lobby to see that they are shaping government policy
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 27 Aug 14:05
All MPs except those who reside in the greater London area are entitled to an accommodation allowance to rent property during their time at Westminster, so she would still have the right to live in the area at public expense providing she was still a sitting member.
If she lost her seat for any reason there would be no immediate need to live in that area except by choice.
She doesn`t need to buy a second home in Hove, or anywhere else for that matter to allow her to perform as a Minister/MP - the local MP there receives the accommodation allowance to allow him/her perform his/her constituency.
She has a few skeletons in the cupboard (don`t they all ?) - like the undeclared gifts including clothes that caused problems for Starmer - and being removed from UNITE membership over her Birmingham bin strike stance.
As for paying two council taxes - maybe not a problem to anybody on nearly £160,000 a year ?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 27 Aug 14:06
I`ve always questioned the motivation of some people who become MPs, particularly on the right wing of politics. That`s one reason I could never vote Tory. I think a lot of their MPs are looking for personal advancement rather than looking after their constituents.
I`m not sure I`d put Angela Rayner in that category though and I doubt she had `millions in the bank` before she became an MP. I was surprised she got caught up in all the scandal about perks and expenses just after Labour came to power and wondered why someone with her background didn`t see the danger and use her influence in the Party to avoid all the bad publicity. I think there`s some truth in the suggestion that `power corrupts` and some folk lose their sense of fairness without realising it when they`re exposed to the trappings of power.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 27 Aug 15:56
She came from very difficult circumstances and deserves credit there - but that’s not the issue reference the luxury apartment in Hove.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 27 Aug 16:24
What exactly is the issue? Whether or not she bought a luxury pad in Hove wasn`t going to solve the housing crisis.
The Tories and their pals in the media love this sort of stuff. I remember when they mocked her for going to the Glyndebourne Opera.
(This should be on the Politics Forum btw!)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 27 Aug 16:30
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 27 Aug 16:24
What exactly is the issue? Whether or not she bought a luxury pad in Hove wasn`t going to solve the housing crisis.
The Tories and their pals in the media love this sort of stuff. I remember when they mocked her for going to the Glyndebourne Opera.
(This should be on the Politics Forum btw!)
I just think it`s tone deaf to a massive level.
"We need more houses.....houses are too expensive.....oh, I`ll just buy myself another one and make both those problems a tiny little bit worse".
It`s not the specific impact, it`s the principle.
Getting her plastered over the papers probably gets her a few more free clothes I guess.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 27 Aug 18:52
The problem is people think a politician buying a £700k apartment in Hove is making the housing crisis worse…….
The housing crisis has been made worse by the big, lego block builders, who purchase farmland and put up carbon copy housing then charge an absolute fortune for it……and the dodgey councillors that approve it.
Just look at the house prices in Duloch or the new Crossgates builds. Im 36, have worked since I was 17, and wont even get close to a deposit for one of those within a timescale that allows a pre retirement mortgage payoff. And I currently contribute to a mortgage just now, not even private rent.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 27 Aug 20:15
Can’t say I favour either party but I find it hypocritical that politicians of one party are held to a different standard to those of another when it would have been totally expected for a Tory minister in power to have multiple properties.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 27 Aug 20:34
The whole housing market is a mess Dave and has been for more than 20 years.
Earnings and prices are miles out of whack. Folk have gotten paper rich off of gambling more debt and thinking they are some investment guru. Massive ponzi scheme with the next generation being shafted, and the previous ones thinking their houses are worth the best part of a million quid.
I know that one person buying one house has no impact on the market. I`m just disgusted that she has the shame to spout crap and go off and buy another. Absolutely shameless.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 27 Aug 20:47
It’s not shameless though…..shes bought a £700k apartment, not a £30k council house…..
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 27 Aug 22:09
This is the difference between traditional Labour and New Labour though. Traditional Labour would be pushing for everyone to have a good standard of living. New Labour are much more aspirational in a way and push for the working person to expect more than just a good standard and to strive for more. That sounds great, but when the slightly better off start buying second homes it increases housing demand. Increased demand means prices go up. That`s good news for the slightly better off who bought a second home, but it`s kicking down those who are trying to work their way up.
Saying that, if Raynor wants 2, 3 600 houses then that`s her business. It doesn`t really reflect well though when turning round and saying there`s a housing crisis though!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 27 Aug 22:14
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 27 Aug 18:52
The problem is people think a politician buying a £700k apartment in Hove is making the housing crisis worse…….
The housing crisis has been made worse by the big, lego block builders, who purchase farmland and put up carbon copy housing then charge an absolute fortune for it……and the dodgey councillors that approve it.
Just look at the house prices in Duloch or the new Crossgates builds. Im 36, have worked since I was 17, and wont even get close to a deposit for one of those within a timescale that allows a pre retirement mortgage payoff. And I currently contribute to a mortgage just now, not even private rent.
If I went to buy my house in Duloch now (bought only a few years back) I`d need to borrow at least an extra £100k. That`s absolutely ridiculous. 3 bed houses we`d viewed in Pitcorthie and Garvock are now in excess of what the 4-5 bedroom houses were in Duloch. Even the Avant homes in Rosyth that are being built beside an busy road and on top of an old DUMP are over £300k I think. People in London and Edinburgh will scoff, but no-one should be paying over a quarter of a million for a house in Rosyth!
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 27 Aug 23:17
Property is theft!
Only kidding. Wee Eck has a point here - it’s a non-story.
When Frank Dobson was a cabinet minister, he used to get criticised for living in a council flat in London. So they can’t win either way.
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Topic Originator: Roger Daltrey
Date: Thu 28 Aug 07:40
I`ve never voted for either Labour or Tory, but do think the hypocrisy where Tory MPs get a free reign and Labour MPs have to live up to some higher moral standard (policed by the almost entirely right wing owned press) is a bizarre British phenomenon.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 28 Aug 14:58
Good luck to the Lassie .. New houses here in North Berwick and Dirleton .. a wee village 2 miles up the road are £825,000 for a 5 bedroomed wooden framed kit house or £745,000 for a 4 bedroomed .. Crazy
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 28 Aug 15:38
Aye, you`ve got to be loaded to live down there, Bpp!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 28 Aug 15:54
Indeed wee eck .. send more money :-o))
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 28 Aug 17:53
Quote:
Roger Daltrey, Thu 28 Aug 07:40
I`ve never voted for either Labour or Tory, but do think the hypocrisy where Tory MPs get a free reign and Labour MPs have to live up to some higher moral standard (policed by the almost entirely right wing owned press) is a bizarre British phenomenon.
The emphasis of the press seems to be even greater this time round, it was only something like 30 days before socials were full of nonsense like Starmers broken Britain when they couldn’t possibly have even done anything. It’s almost like folk don’t realise they are being led by the nose.
In reality I think Labour could make a #### of it even without the press spin.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 28 Aug 18:23
Quote:
P, Thu 28 Aug 17:53
Quote:
Roger Daltrey, Thu 28 Aug 07:40
I`ve never voted for either Labour or Tory, but do think the hypocrisy where Tory MPs get a free reign and Labour MPs have to live up to some higher moral standard (policed by the almost entirely right wing owned press) is a bizarre British phenomenon.
The emphasis of the press seems to be even greater this time round, it was only something like 30 days before socials were full of nonsense like Starmers broken Britain when they couldn’t possibly have even done anything. It’s almost like folk don’t realise they are being led by the nose.
In reality I think Labour could make a #### of it even without the press spin.
Watch LBC - it’s pretty fascinating how some of them react to things in the news. Nick Ferrari is such a Tory swill its obvious. Others try to be pragmatic and fairly even on both sides of the debate. Then James O’Brien on the left leaning side of it, but has more recently called out Starmer for things.
Just shows how easily they can manipulate it to their own agenda.
Post Edited (Thu 28 Aug 18:25)
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 29 Aug 09:02
Latest reports saying she said it was her main home to save paying additional stamp duty off c. £40k
Guess it’s labour’s turn to feather the nest of themselves and their other champagne socialist pals
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Fri 29 Aug 15:24
I hate to break it to you but £700k certainly doesn`t get you a `luxury` pad in Hove - you`ll get a 3-bed semi, or a semi-decent apartment.
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Fri 29 Aug 20:16
To be factually correct it was reported as £800k. Just saying.
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Fri 29 Aug 21:12
It does seem that Rayner’s flip flopping of her primary residence has been to minimise both capital gains tax on a previous transaction and currently to minimise stamp duty and council tax on her new residences. It appears she is currently registered to vote in three locations. This is the Minister for Housing who is currently pushing through Parliamentary legislation on the taxation of second homes. Hypocrisy?
Post Edited (Fri 29 Aug 21:13)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 30 Aug 09:09
Quote:
Roger Daltrey, Thu 28 Aug 07:40
I`ve never voted for either Labour or Tory, but do think the hypocrisy where Tory MPs get a free reign and Labour MPs have to live up to some higher moral standard (policed by the almost entirely right wing owned press) is a bizarre British phenomenon.
Is that not the point ? We expect the Tories to self serve, however Labour have (?) a different set of standards …… in theory.
She may be thinking of life outside Westminster - if Farage’s facists continue to surge in popularity her 6,000 odd majority makes her a priority target for Reform.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 30 Aug 10:19
She`s not doing anything illegal. UK tax laws have more holes than Swiss cheese.
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Sat 30 Aug 11:06
That’s strange since in the 70’s the Tax Codes ran to about 1600 pages versus about 25000 now and more to come in October. Maybe that’s the real problem!
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 30 Aug 11:18
Quote:
jake89, Sat 30 Aug 10:19
She`s not doing anything illegal. UK tax laws have more holes than Swiss cheese.
Time will tell if the allegations that are being made are upheld or not.
If she has breached tax law OR has acted in a way that`s inconsistent with the messages she has getting out to the public from her privileged position then she clearly needs to go.
That being said, given she`s going through a divorce at the moment then if it`s a short term oversight I would have sympathy with her given what`s she`s having to juggle. I think it has got to the point where she can put this to bed by giving a detailed explanation and cutting the allegations off at the knees.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 30 Aug 22:32
She’s not the only one who does this. I suspect there’s someone who’s no longer wanting her involved and they believe this is the best way to expose her.
I’ve got to say though, I hate how politics and government has ended up here. Westminster and Holyrood are so bloated. They’re full of corrupt wannabe idiots. They are the root cause of 100% of the issues we face as citizens of the UK.
I really believe we need to scale back the size of our government and our bureaucracy
COYP
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 30 Aug 23:51
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 30 Aug 22:32
She’s not the only one who does this. I suspect there’s someone who’s no longer wanting her involved and they believe this is the best way to expose her.
I’ve got to say though, I hate how politics and government has ended up here. Westminster and Holyrood are so bloated. They’re full of corrupt wannabe idiots. They are the root cause of 100% of the issues we face as citizens of the UK.
I really believe we need to scale back the size of our government and our bureaucracy
How about just bringing it into the 21st century?🤔
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 31 Aug 12:30
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sat 30 Aug 23:51
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 30 Aug 22:32
She’s not the only one who does this. I suspect there’s someone who’s no longer wanting her involved and they believe this is the best way to expose her.
I’ve got to say though, I hate how politics and government has ended up here. Westminster and Holyrood are so bloated. They’re full of corrupt wannabe idiots. They are the root cause of 100% of the issues we face as citizens of the UK.
I really believe we need to scale back the size of our government and our bureaucracy
How about just bringing it into the 21st century?🤔
Exactly. With all this technology we could get the government down to about a 3rd of its current size and budget. We don’t need it.
COYP
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 31 Aug 12:49
Also, for every msp, mla and ms - there should be an equal reduction in Westminster
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 31 Aug 13:33
Quote:
DBP, Sun 31 Aug 12:49
Also, for every msp, mla and ms - there should be an equal reduction in Westminster
That’s called independence.
Devolution was a total cop out. We should have just jumped straight to independence or not. Were shooting ourselves in the foot the way things are now.
I’ve got to say though, independence is getting further and further away at the moment. Need to get rid of the current crop of SNP. It’s all been downhill since Alex Salmond left.
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 31 Aug 14:16
Arguably, Salmond cost us independence by not having an answer to the currency question - and he was an economist.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 31 Aug 17:12
I thought (like Ireland did) we would use the pound until such time that economic divergence meant we had to either get the euro or create our own currency, again like Ireland did
Anyway, devolution presumably meant that some of the activities carried out by mps in Westminster moved out to the individual country parliaments/assemblies - in which case their should have been a reduction in Westminster
Post Edited (Sun 31 Aug 17:14)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 31 Aug 17:27
Westminster won`t tolerate a situation where MPs from different parts of the UK have different responsibilities. They all have to be seen to be equal. That`s why they did away with EVEL. Having fewer MPs per head of population for the devolved nations would be similarly frowned upon I suspect.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 31 Aug 20:38
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 31 Aug 14:16
Arguably, Salmond cost us independence by not having an answer to the currency question - and he was an economist.
I absolutely agree.
I also think coming up with a plan should have been number 1 on the SNP agenda yet they’ve done nothing since the referendum.
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 31 Aug 20:59
Quote:
DBP, Sun 31 Aug 17:12
I thought (like Ireland did) we would use the pound until such time that economic divergence meant we had to either get the euro or create our own currency, again like Ireland did
Anyway, devolution presumably meant that some of the activities carried out by mps in Westminster moved out to the individual country parliaments/assemblies - in which case their should have been a reduction in Westminster
On the flip side of that, we’d be giving away political power if we had given up an MP for an MSP.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 1 Sep 08:55
The currency question should never have been a problem .. we already have scottish notes and coins .. It was a scare tactic and it worked .. Many on here will be old enough to remember when English shops would not touch Scottish notes .. Blackpool because of the large influx of Scots on Holiday took the pound notes but only gave 19/6 for them .. they charged a tanner to take them
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Mon 1 Sep 09:14
I think the biggest scare tactic was leaving the EU… European nationals were given the vote and were worried about losing their rights - there were enough of them to easily make the difference
Good thing is that next time, the UK will need to make a compelling case, as everyone knows that any coalition created for the referendum’s promises or ‘vows’ are meaningless as that coalition breaks up on the day of the vote, and they all go back to Westminster party politics
Post Edited (Mon 01 Sep 09:15)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 1 Sep 10:11
Quote:
Buspasspar, Mon 1 Sept 08:55
The currency question should never have been a problem .. we already have scottish notes and coins .. It was a scare tactic and it worked .. Many on here will be old enough to remember when English shops would not touch Scottish notes .. Blackpool because of the large influx of Scots on Holiday took the pound notes but only gave 19/6 for them .. they charged a tanner to take them
Currency is way more than notes and coins......
Without a clear and robust economic strategy that the markets trust in then we`ve seen what happens.
Ireland have done a good job articulating an approach with the support of the EU which has sparked internal investment, albeit at the cost of other countries.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 1 Sep 14:25
Quote:
Buspasspar, Mon 1 Sept 08:55
The currency question should never have been a problem .. we already have scottish notes and coins .. It was a scare tactic and it worked .. Many on here will be old enough to remember when English shops would not touch Scottish notes .. Blackpool because of the large influx of Scots on Holiday took the pound notes but only gave 19/6 for them .. they charged a tanner to take them
Apparently a lot of Wethersoons pubs down South have banned Scottish money !
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 1 Sep 15:13
`Apparently a lot of Wethersoons pubs down South have banned Scottish money !`
I saw that, LA. The reason given was that there was a possibility they were forgeries - yet they were still prepared to accept Scottish notes in their Scottish pubs!???
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Mon 1 Sep 16:07
The acceptance of Scottish bank notes in England has always been hit or miss. Many stores especially small ones may be unfamiliar with them as three different Scottish banks issue them. That causes confusion and can give rise to forgeries. A small shopkeeper cannot take the risk of losing money.
My local pub in the South will only take them from customers they know and presumably trust!
How many Scottish shops take Northern Irish bank notes?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Mon 1 Sep 16:37
don`t think I`ve ever had a problem spending NI notes over here - mind you that was probably only in Embra where I tried using them
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 1 Sep 16:50
A Bank of England note could just as easily be a forgery I would have thought.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 1 Sep 17:08
Quote:
DBP, Mon 1 Sep 16:37
don`t think I`ve ever had a problem spending NI notes over here - mind you that was probably only in Embra where I tried using them
We used to accept £50 Bank of Ulster notes in JJB back in the day - long as they passed the ultra violet pen test!
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 1 Sep 18:22
I wonder if we get triggered more easily than other nations with this stuff.
I was in Paris over the summer and went to buy some water. I took a note out of my wallet and the shopkeeper pointed at it and said "I don`t like that one". I immediately felt my blood boiling and could feel the urge to tell him it was legal tender.
Turns out I was trying to pay with a fiver rather than some Euros.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Mon 1 Sep 22:16
I once had a Scottish fiver refused by a Glaswegian landlord in a pub in Bedfordshire. I can only assume he was a Rangers fan.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 2 Sep 14:30
Funny how a thread about something infuriating and English, gets turned into a chat about getting knocked back with Scottish notes
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 2 Sep 15:40
Most cash dispensers seem to be linked to retail establishments now rather than banks and, in my experience, they spew out B of E notes. Scottish notes must be a decreasing percentage of the total in circulation I would imagine.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 3 Sep 09:04
My dad told me that during his WW2 service down South he got Scottish notes sent by his mother at Xmas and birthdays.
The local shops etc. wanted to take the 6 pence “commission” fee - he was put wise to a clever workaround.
Open a National Savings account at any Post Office and deposit his notes - then go for a cuppa, come back to the PO and withdraw as much as he wanted - telling the clerk “ no Scots notes please” 😂
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Wed 3 Sep 11:34
The net is closing on Ms Rayner this morning.
She needs to get new tax advisers 😆
Post Edited (Wed 03 Sep 11:46)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 3 Sep 16:43
Quote:
Jimmy riddell, Wed 3 Sept 11:34
The net is closing on Ms Rayner this morning.
She needs to get new tax advisers 😆
Oooooops!
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 3 Sep 21:37
She`s got nobody to blame but herself.
Why not go to the ethics committee beforehand ?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 4 Sep 08:54
No excuse, even I know you pay additional stamp duty on a second home (and I believe we pay more for that in Scotland than in England)
… And I’m not in charge of the whole thing! Haven’t spoken out against second home ownership!
Haven’t said publicly that tax avoidance costs lives!
Haven’t called out in Parliament and the media for others to step down/be sacked for similar!
Champagne socialists the lot of them and no different than any other party bedded into the cosy/self serving Westminster gravy train
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 4 Sep 10:16
I think this is complicated DBP and there will be a lot of people in the country who have potentially gone down this route to try and avoid paying tax on assets passed on to children.
My money is currently on her relying on bad advice....I think the key question is did she ask the right people for that advice.....but it could well be that the advisor is liable for this, not her.
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Thu 4 Sep 11:38
Fair points Ipswich but did she give her advisor all the background information relating to her property dealings to enable them to give comprehensive advice? I guess we’ll find out in due course after the inquiry.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 4 Sep 11:58
Quote:
ipswichpar, Thu 4 Sep 10:16
I think this is complicated DBP and there will be a lot of people in the country who have potentially gone down this route to try and avoid paying tax on assets passed on to children.
My money is currently on her relying on bad advice....I think the key question is did she ask the right people for that advice.....but it could well be that the advisor is liable for this, not her.
The buck stops at her - she has to take ultimate responsibility.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 4 Sep 15:06
That`s why they pay for professional indemnity insurance vee and will have passed that cost onto her.
If she`s taken all reasonable steps (including sharing all relevant information) she cant be expected to be the expert on every topic of every expert she engages.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 4 Sep 15:48
Any chance we could move this to the politics forum?
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Thu 4 Sep 21:57
‘Angela Rayner’s lawyers say they did not give tax advice on buying her seaside flat in Hove - and claim they have been made “scapegoats” in the scandal.
Conveyancing firm Verrico & Associates has insisted it did nothing wrong when handling the purchase of the deputy prime minister’s £800,00 property in May.
Ms Rayner said she had not attempted to dodge taxes when failing to pay the required £40,000 in stamp duty on the second home, but that she had made a “mistake” based on incorrect legal advice.’
If it smells like a turd…it’s a turd 💩
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 4 Sep 21:57
Classic stuff Ipswich !!!
The shot of the rubber dinghy especially.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 5 Sep 08:07
Looking like she will be away today
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 5 Sep 08:46
A property advisor is NOT a tax advisor. You`re talking glorified estate agency. Your estate agent will do various checks but all they`re really worried about is ensuring your money is legit.
Given she is in the second most powerful position in the country, is university educated and appears to have worked hard to get to where she is, I don`t think she can claim daft lassie here.
Saying that, I`d like to see an investigation into ALL MPs. It`s obvious the media are picking on her because she`s "common" and a woman. Very little is said about other MPs with properties in various trusts.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 5 Sep 09:29
The whole Westminster system stinks!
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 5 Sep 11:05
Correlation isnt necessarily causation Jake.
I also find her bloody annoying. And I dont like hypocrites. It could easily be those things, and the revenue generated from running a story of interest that has driven the press focus.
And on the MP piece... I'm sure there's a case for investing more in HMRC investigation teams. Feels like it'll generate more than it costs if done well and give people some meaningful employment.
Post Edited (Fri 05 Sep 11:06)
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Fri 5 Sep 12:10
She’s gone.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Fri 5 Sep 12:11
She’s resigned. My post above that this was a non-story hasn’t aged well 😀
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 5 Sep 12:28
Tories wading in, without even a blush!🤔😡
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Sep 12:29
Her position was untenable but compared to what the last Conservative government got up to and what, god help us Reform will get up to, her misdemeanors are small fry.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 5 Sep 12:36
Self inflicted.......left with no alternative but to fall on her sword.
Rachel Reeves will be smiling !!!
Post Edited (Fri 05 Sep 12:43)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Sep 12:44
`Topic Originator: Tad Allagash like
Date: Fri 5 Sep 12:11
She’s resigned. My post above that this was a non-story hasn’t aged well `
To be fair, Tad, this thread started out about the so-called hypocrisy of her buying a second home. There was no suggestion at that time that she might have underpaid tax.
The thing that always worries me about these `scandals` is that they usually indicate a terrible lack of judgement on the part of the `offender`. If they don`t show good judgement in their private lives, what`s the likelihood of them showing it in matters of government?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 5 Sep 12:59
At least she resigned. The Tories would have written something into law to ensure she kept her job.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 5 Sep 13:53
They’re really showing their true colours are Labour…
Thousands of pounds worth clothes, glasses and other items donated to our PM - why and what did the donor get in return?
Labour Homeless minister had to resign for turfing her tenants out (making them homeless!) so she could re-list the property with a huge spike in rent!
Labour Anti-corruption minister resigns after dodgy payments for her London property and is on trial for corruption and over an alleged land grab of plots in Bangladesh!
And now the Labour housing minister has to resign after trying to avoid tax on her purchase of another house!
God knows what else they’re actually getting away with!?!?!?
Labour are just another bunch of Westminster troughers, feathering their nest - pretending to be socialist and out for us ‘hard working people’
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 5 Sep 14:55
There`s no left or right anymore when it comes to politicians, There`s just the snout and the trough.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Sep 14:58
Ian Murray sacked as Scottish Secretary as part of Starmer`s reshuffle.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Sep 15:10
Say what you want about Labour but the thought of a Reform government replacing them, and it`s looking likely that way, worries me greatly. An NHS free at the point of delivery won`t survive under them and I really wouldn`t put it past them severely curtailing the powers of the Scottish parliament.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 5 Sep 15:24
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 5 Sept 15:10
Say what you want about Labour but the thought of a Reform government replacing them, and it`s looking likely that way, worries me greatly. An NHS free at the point of delivery won`t survive under them and I really wouldn`t put it past them severely curtailing the powers of the Scottish parliament.
They`re not going to curtail the powers, they`re going to shut the Scottish Parliament down.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Sep 15:56
No they won`t as by then they`ll have a good rump of msp`s collecting a nice wedge every month.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Sep 16:15
Fear not, the good people of England will decide what`s best for us Scots, just as they did with Brexit as instructed by Farage & Co.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 5 Sep 16:17
Anyone seen Michelle Mone?🤔😡
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 5 Sep 17:20
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 5 Sep 15:10
Say what you want about Labour but the thought of a Reform government replacing them, and it`s looking likely that way, worries me greatly. An NHS free at the point of delivery won`t survive under them and I really wouldn`t put it past them severely curtailing the powers of the Scottish parliament.
I don’t think they’ll go near the NHS and even if they did try they wouldn’t get it through the commons unless they have more MP’s than all the others combined.
Not to mention a huge outcry from the public.
They might well strip Holyrood of powers though. Would not put that past them.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Sep 17:22
We`re now witnessing another favourite Westminster pastime - the Cabinet re-shuffle. Ministers who have barely had time to get their feet under the desk are moved out or somewhere else in a continual game of pass the parcel. How are you supposed to get continuity - or are these Ministers just figureheads?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Sep 20:49
Douglas Alexander!!? What an absolutely clueless appointment. I`m desperately trying to find reasons to back Labour as they are our best chance against the disaster that a Reform government would be for this island but that is a horrendous appointment to make.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:45
Who do we vote for now? I’ve zero confidence in the SNP and I’ve 0 confidence in Labour 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:47
Alexander is a pretty smart guy.
However, we`re now in a situation where I can honestly say we have the worst politicians in my lifetime. The only thing worse is what`ll happen when idiots like Farage get in. The only positive is this is an enormous boost for Scottish independence. I`ve often been sat on the fence but we need shot of England before it drags us down with it.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 5 Sep 21:47
Quote:
NMCmassive, Fri 5 Sept 21:45
Who do we vote for now? I’ve zero confidence in the SNP and I’ve 0 confidence in Labour 🤷🏻♂️
SNP to get out the UK and then literally anyone you want afterwards.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 6 Sep 04:36
Quote:
jake89, Fri 5 Sep 21:47
Alexander is a pretty smart guy.
However, we`re now in a situation where I can honestly say we have the worst politicians in my lifetime. The only thing worse is what`ll happen when idiots like Farage get in. The only positive is this is an enormous boost for Scottish independence. I`ve often been sat on the fence but we need shot of England before it drags us down with it.
Indy Ref 2 is never going to happen. And is a lot less likely if Farage and his crew get control - they want all of the oil and gas up North. Also doesn’t help that there are the knuckledraggers up here that wont vote for it either as they love the queen and the Gers too much……
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 6 Sep 07:01
Hopefully if Farage gets in England falls apart, that`s the only way we`ll become independent.
The SNP think begging for a s30 is the only route to independence. I cannot recall any other country gaining independence by asking England permission.
Remember Country before Party.
SNP on the constituency and any another independence candidate on the list vote
Don`t do both votes SNP,
That keeps as many Unionists out of the Scottish Parliament.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 6 Sep 10:30
New oil fields are largely pointless. The vast majority will still come from existing fields and there`s only so much worth extracting.
The focus should be on having actual green tech designed and manufactured in Scotland, while maintaining oil and gas production and processing.
I`ve been keeping an eye on electric cars. There are a lot more around but they`re still a very small proportion and the network of chargers just doesn`t seem to be there just yet. It`s coming though (unless Hydrogen takes off).
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 6 Sep 10:34
Quote:
jake89, Fri 5 Sep 21:47
Quote:
NMCmassive, Fri 5 Sept 21:45
Who do we vote for now? I’ve zero confidence in the SNP and I’ve 0 confidence in Labour 🤷🏻♂️
SNP to get out the UK and then literally anyone you want afterwards.
That dead horse has been flogged post cremation
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 6 Sep 10:41
Vote SNP and live to regret it. The madness will continue.
They’re stuck in their own nonsense and earning a fortune while they do it. Genuinely, the quickest route to independence will be through a competent leader. There’s not 1 of them in the current SNP crop.
COYP
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 6 Sep 11:57
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 6 Sep 10:41
Vote SNP and live to regret it. The madness will continue.
They’re stuck in their own nonsense and earning a fortune while they do it. Genuinely, the quickest route to independence will be through a competent leader. There’s not 1 of them in the current SNP crop.
How would a competent leader achieve independence?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 6 Sep 11:58
This accusation of `earning a fortune` only seems to be made against SNP MSPs (and MPs). Most of the other MSPs are on the `list` and don`t even have a constituency they are responsible to.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 6 Sep 12:48
What "madness" NMC?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 6 Sep 12:54
Quote:
jake89, Sat 6 Sept 12:48
What "madness" NMC?
Crazy gender confusion for a start.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 6 Sep 12:58
What gender confusion is that? Are there examples of issues in gender beyond the ridiculous NHS Fife situation?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 6 Sep 16:10
Quote:
jake89, Sat 6 Sept 12:58
What gender confusion is that? Are there examples of issues in gender beyond the ridiculous NHS Fife situation?
For real?
You think that`s the only case?
Jings.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 6 Sep 18:51
Quote:
jake89, Sat 6 Sept 12:58
What gender confusion is that? Are there examples of issues in gender beyond the ridiculous NHS Fife situation?
Strange that a similar case in England didn`t get the same coverage?🤔
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 6 Sep 23:24
Which case is that? If there is one then I`m surprised the media aren`t all over it.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 7 Sep 01:13
Still batting for the opposition I see:-
https://sex-matters.org/case-briefings/bethany-hutchison-and-others-v-county-durham-and-darlington-nhs-trust/
Post Edited (Sun 07 Sep 01:13)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 7 Sep 09:43
Batting for the opposition? No idea what that is supposed to mean. Nevertheless, having googled that case LA I found numerous articles on it from the likes of the BBC, Daily Mail, etc and, I`m going out on a limb here, the reason that it hasn`t got as much coverage as the NHS fife case is receiving is that the court case doesn`t start until October.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 7 Sep 10:06
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 6 Sept 16:10
Quote:
jake89, Sat 6 Sept 12:58
What gender confusion is that? Are there examples of issues in gender beyond the ridiculous NHS Fife situation?
For real?
You think that`s the only case?
Jings.
Where would I find details of the others in Scotland? Tried Google and I`m struggling.
As far as I`m aware, Scots Law is following UK and EU law in terms of trans concerns so I`m struggling to see where the SNP come in. The GRA has been dropped so it can`t be that.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 8 Sep 11:58
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Sat 6 Sep 11:57
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 6 Sep 10:41
Vote SNP and live to regret it. The madness will continue.
They’re stuck in their own nonsense and earning a fortune while they do it. Genuinely, the quickest route to independence will be through a competent leader. There’s not 1 of them in the current SNP crop.
How would a competent leader achieve independence?
The same way as a competent leader managed to get support and push for an independence referendum the first time. If there’s enough support, we’ll get independence but if Holyrood looks like a basket case, we’ve got no chance.
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 8 Sep 12:11
Quote:
jake89, Sat 6 Sep 12:48
What "madness" NMC?
1 Hate crime and Public order act 2024
2 Gender Recognition Act Reforms
3 Scrapping the Marine Protection Plan
4 Stonewall funding - which led to the removal of words like “mother” from policies
5 Deposit Return Scheme
I’ll stop at 5 but I could keep going.
Just so you’re aware, a total of 7 transgender women were housed in female only prisons. 1 of which we know was guilty of rape. The other of sexually assaulting a 10 year old girl in a supermarket toilet and filming 12 year old girls in another incident.
I’m sure someone could troll through court records or something and find out about the other 5 but the 2 we know about are bad enough.
Only took me about 2 minutes to find that out.
Isla Bryson and Katie Dolatowski
COYP
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 8 Sep 12:49
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 8 Sep 11:58
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Sat 6 Sep 11:57
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 6 Sep 10:41
Vote SNP and live to regret it. The madness will continue.
They’re stuck in their own nonsense and earning a fortune while they do it. Genuinely, the quickest route to independence will be through a competent leader. There’s not 1 of them in the current SNP crop.
How would a competent leader achieve independence?
The same way as a competent leader managed to get support and push for an independence referendum the first time. If there’s enough support, we’ll get independence but if Holyrood looks like a basket case, we’ve got no chance.
You could argue we only got one agreed in 2012 because support for Indy simply wasn’t there and David Cameron was confident enough to ‘put it to bed’
Today Indy support is consistently around 50% so what Prime Minister is going to agree AND get it through the HOC?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 8 Sep 13:35
I think the SNP should be pushing the argument that the UK is not a voluntary union and the present set-up is a denial of democracy. I haven`t heard a unionist politician give a satisfactory answer to this question anytime they`ve been asked about it. Yesterday the new Scottish Secretary, Douglas Alexander, could only repeat the old line that we had our chance in 2014! I think it`s a good point Swinney made last week that there are probably about a million voters now who weren`t eligible to vote then.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 8 Sep 14:11
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 8 Sept 12:11
Quote:
jake89, Sat 6 Sep 12:48
What "madness" NMC?
1 Hate crime and Public order act 2024
2 Gender Recognition Act Reforms
3 Scrapping the Marine Protection Plan
4 Stonewall funding - which led to the removal of words like “mother” from policies
5 Deposit Return Scheme
I’ll stop at 5 but I could keep going.
Just so you’re aware, a total of 7 transgender women were housed in female only prisons. 1 of which we know was guilty of rape. The other of sexually assaulting a 10 year old girl in a supermarket toilet and filming 12 year old girls in another incident.
I’m sure someone could troll through court records or something and find out about the other 5 but the 2 we know about are bad enough.
Only took me about 2 minutes to find that out.
Isla Bryson and Katie Dolatowski
1. The act that simply added the likes of religious bigotry to the list of behaviours people shouldn`t exhibit?
2. Wasn`t implemented
3. Scrapped because it became apparent it wouldn`t work? UK gov took the same approach.
4. From the maternity policy only but agree this was just silly.
5. Was cancelled by the UK government despite being successfully implemented in many EU countries no bother. After seeing it work in Germany not too long ago I`m even more frustrated that we don`t have this here, particularly when you can walk around Dunfermline and see discarded bottles everywhere.
The rules on trans prisoners haven`t changed. They`ve been the same for years. Despite what the Daily Mail report, it`s up to the SPS to determine where a trans prisoner is best suited to go. There is an assessment prior to the decision.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 8 Sep 14:50
We`re still waiting on the shinier, brighter, UK version of the Deposit Return Scheme we were promised!
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 8 Sep 18:45
Wasn`t it the UK Westminster government that punted the deposit scheme into the long grass over the inclusion of glass ?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 8 Sep 23:07
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 8 Sept 18:45
Wasn`t it the UK Westminster government that punted the deposit scheme into the long grass over the inclusion of glass ?
Yes, but I think the suggestion is it was a waste of time.
My experience in Germany was you didn`t see bottles dumped on the street. If someone dropped one, a homeless person would have it in seconds. In the more touristy bits of Berlin some enterprising people would go around offering to dispose of your empty bottle for you. I used the machine a few times and they were really simple. Pop the bottles in one after the other and collect a receipt to scan at the till for your money back.
No different to many years ago when Barrs bottles did a discount on return. I remember my older brother always being on the look out for bottles to take to the shop for sweets.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 8 Sep 23:50
Lorna Slater knew from the start the UK Gov wouldn’t offer a UKIMA unless glass was excluded yet pursued it regardless. The DRS scheme was a good idea but the way they tried to implement it, was extremely poorly handled. They layered extra bureaucracy and costs onto businesses, dismissed practical concerns from businesses and consumer groups, insisted it was all going ahead even though their own people were warning of a “severe lack of confidence” in meeting the planned launch.
How you can argue yourself into a position of being sued for huge amounts from multiple parties when the goal posts haven’t moved an inch is beyond me
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 9 Sep 00:57
Quote:
jake89, Mon 8 Sep 14:11
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 8 Sept 12:11
Quote:
jake89, Sat 6 Sep 12:48
What "madness" NMC?
1 Hate crime and Public order act 2024
2 Gender Recognition Act Reforms
3 Scrapping the Marine Protection Plan
4 Stonewall funding - which led to the removal of words like “mother” from policies
5 Deposit Return Scheme
I’ll stop at 5 but I could keep going.
Just so you’re aware, a total of 7 transgender women were housed in female only prisons. 1 of which we know was guilty of rape. The other of sexually assaulting a 10 year old girl in a supermarket toilet and filming 12 year old girls in another incident.
I’m sure someone could troll through court records or something and find out about the other 5 but the 2 we know about are bad enough.
Only took me about 2 minutes to find that out.
Isla Bryson and Katie Dolatowski
1. The act that simply added the likes of religious bigotry to the list of behaviours people shouldn`t exhibit?
2. Wasn`t implemented
3. Scrapped because it became apparent it wouldn`t work? UK gov took the same approach.
4. From the maternity policy only but agree this was just silly.
5. Was cancelled by the UK government despite being successfully implemented in many EU countries no bother. After seeing it work in Germany not too long ago I`m even more frustrated that we don`t have this here, particularly when you can walk around Dunfermline and see discarded bottles everywhere.
The rules on trans prisoners haven`t changed. They`ve been the same for years. Despite what the Daily Mail report, it`s up to the SPS to determine where a trans prisoner is best suited to go. There is an assessment prior to the decision.
You’ve missed out loads and cherry picked there but I wouldn’t have expected anything less.
1. Thats not all it does but I think you already know that.
2. Thankfully it impacted on the equality act
3 with the same controversy 🤷🏻♂️
4 Stonewall were involved with the SPS gender identity and gender reassignment act 2014 act. Two more names for you - Paris Green and Tiffany Scott.
5 it wasn’t scrapped by the UK government. The SNP had loads of warning internally that it wasn’t viable but still pushed on regardless. Lined up retailers and waste management companies. They’re now being sued by multiple parties for huge amounts of money. Biffa are suing for £166 million for losses from the deposit return scheme including £55million ish spent on a new assets, specialist equipment and leased depots after receiving written assurances. Maybe have a look at what I was saying. A DRS scheme is a good idea but the SNP made a mess of it.
What has the Daily Mail got to do with me making an extra point about the Scottish government and stonewall?
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 9 Sep 08:00
Lorna Slater is Green, not SNP.
Point on the Daily Mail was they reported in Isla Burton like it was in relation to the GRA. 1. The act was never implemented. 2. The SPS already had a process for handling trans prisoners. They`ve had it for years. The only bad thing regarding that situation was that idiot Sturgeon commenting when it was an SPS matter, not a Scottish Government one!
Tbh, I would`ve gone more on the ferry fiasco than any of the above.
The biggest c*ck up has been the National Care Service though. However, that failed largely because of the likes of Jackie Baillie and Sandesh Gullane. Hopefully they can retire into obscurity knowing they intentionally sabotaged a plan for better social care outcomes so they could continue their woeful political careers.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 9 Sep 12:34
Lorna Slater had the full backing of the SNP. Humza came out and fully supported her.
The SNP have been financially supporting stonewall for years and giving them access to people they never should have. The Transwomen prisoners thing was a window into what has been happening.
I purposefully didn’t mention the ferries because it’s to easy, everyone seems to know about it but they don’t seem to know about other things. I stopped at 5 and kept it within the last 5 or so years. How much do you think there could be if you were to take the time to look through it.
Some of the worst has been with our education system. It’s been in free fall for years.
While we face some of the toughest challenges in our nations history, John Swinney has shouted about independence, Trans rights and raised a Palestine flag. Since 2015 elections, the only thing they’ve got to shout about is a baby box while controversy after controversy piles up.
Time for a change.
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 9 Sep 12:54
The thing is, folk in Scotland see what`s happening in other parts of the UK and it`s not any better. in some respects it`s worse. It can`t be all the SNP`s fault. Would another party in charge at Holyrood make any difference?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 9 Sep 13:00
Quote:
NMCmassive, Tue 9 Sept 12:34
Lorna Slater had the full backing of the SNP. Humza came out and fully supported her.
The SNP have been financially supporting stonewall for years and giving them access to people they never should have. The Transwomen prisoners thing was a window into what has been happening.
I purposefully didn’t mention the ferries because it’s to easy, everyone seems to know about it but they don’t seem to know about other things. I stopped at 5 and kept it within the last 5 or so years. How much do you think there could be if you were to take the time to look through it.
Some of the worst has been with our education system. It’s been in free fall for years.
While we face some of the toughest challenges in our nations history, John Swinney has shouted about independence, Trans rights and raised a Palestine flag. Since 2015 elections, the only thing they’ve got to shout about is a baby box while controversy after controversy piles up.
Time for a change.
What`s the options for change ?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 9 Sep 17:56
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Tenruh, Tue 9 Sept 13:00
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NMCmassive, Tue 9 Sept 12:34
Lorna Slater had the full backing of the SNP. Humza came out and fully supported her.
The SNP have been financially supporting stonewall for years and giving them access to people they never should have. The Transwomen prisoners thing was a window into what has been happening.
I purposefully didn’t mention the ferries because it’s to easy, everyone seems to know about it but they don’t seem to know about other things. I stopped at 5 and kept it within the last 5 or so years. How much do you think there could be if you were to take the time to look through it.
Some of the worst has been with our education system. It’s been in free fall for years.
While we face some of the toughest challenges in our nations history, John Swinney has shouted about independence, Trans rights and raised a Palestine flag. Since 2015 elections, the only thing they’ve got to shout about is a baby box while controversy after controversy piles up.
Time for a change.
What`s the options for change ?
There aren`t any.
Labour are hopeless
Lib Dems are led by a clown and just sit on the fence
Tories - LOL
Alba - Mega LOL
Greens - Might be better with the new leadership but not sure.
As much at the SNP aren`t great, at least they try things and don`t always pussy foot around.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 9 Sep 19:57
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Tenruh, Tue 9 Sep 13:00
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NMCmassive, Tue 9 Sept 12:34
Lorna Slater had the full backing of the SNP. Humza came out and fully supported her.
The SNP have been financially supporting stonewall for years and giving them access to people they never should have. The Transwomen prisoners thing was a window into what has been happening.
I purposefully didn’t mention the ferries because it’s to easy, everyone seems to know about it but they don’t seem to know about other things. I stopped at 5 and kept it within the last 5 or so years. How much do you think there could be if you were to take the time to look through it.
Some of the worst has been with our education system. It’s been in free fall for years.
While we face some of the toughest challenges in our nations history, John Swinney has shouted about independence, Trans rights and raised a Palestine flag. Since 2015 elections, the only thing they’ve got to shout about is a baby box while controversy after controversy piles up.
Time for a change.
What`s the options for change ?
That’s the worrying bit…
It was also my original question which lead to the SNP madness chat.
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 9 Sep 19:58
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jake89, Tue 9 Sep 17:56
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Tenruh, Tue 9 Sept 13:00
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NMCmassive, Tue 9 Sept 12:34
Lorna Slater had the full backing of the SNP. Humza came out and fully supported her.
The SNP have been financially supporting stonewall for years and giving them access to people they never should have. The Transwomen prisoners thing was a window into what has been happening.
I purposefully didn’t mention the ferries because it’s to easy, everyone seems to know about it but they don’t seem to know about other things. I stopped at 5 and kept it within the last 5 or so years. How much do you think there could be if you were to take the time to look through it.
Some of the worst has been with our education system. It’s been in free fall for years.
While we face some of the toughest challenges in our nations history, John Swinney has shouted about independence, Trans rights and raised a Palestine flag. Since 2015 elections, the only thing they’ve got to shout about is a baby box while controversy after controversy piles up.
Time for a change.
What`s the options for change ?
There aren`t any.
Labour are hopeless
Lib Dems are led by a clown and just sit on the fence
Tories - LOL
Alba - Mega LOL
Greens - Might be better with the new leadership but not sure.
As much at the SNP aren`t great, at least they try things and don`t always pussy foot around.
They definitely pussy foot around and the “new” leadership of the Greens 😂😂😂 just a joke
COYP
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Tue 9 Sep 20:13
‘There aren`t any.
Labour are hopeless
Lib Dems are led by a clown and just sit on the fence
Tories - LOL
Alba - Mega LOL
Greens - Might be better with the new leadership but not sure.
As much at the SNP aren`t great, at least they try things and don`t always pussy foot around.’
There’s an obvious one you omitted who are currently well ahead in the UK polls.
You can dismiss them in Scotland but you might get a wee surprise for all the reasons you give above.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 9 Sep 22:25
Reform? Yeah, they might get a few seats from the local bampots and Rangers supporters. However, if people think the SNP are useless, I`m unsure why anyone more intelligent than a bowl of porridge would vote for them given how utterly hopeless they`ve been in England!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 9 Sep 23:17
Reform are growing in England. Tories and Labour haven’t just dropped the ball, they’ve kicked it every time they’ve bent over to try pick it up. Immigration is obviously an issue that they’ll never deal with (I think it’s tied to the nations finances but I’m not settled on that yet)
I don’t see reform having much influence up here (just don’t see Farage ever being popular enough this side of the border) but if things keep going, their influence-or someone else’s- will grow.
COYP
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 9 Sep 23:59
The numbers in Scotland are fairly cemented and have been for many years. SNP will get around the same seats give or take a few as they have done for over a decade.
Greens will get their usual spattering and the unionist votes will just split up between the various parties.
Rangers fans and staunch unionists will most likely go to whoever is most likely to challenge the SNP.
In this case it will mirror the rest of the uk and reform may get a slight bit more than the Tories and Labour.
The only thing SNP should worry about is a low turnout and complacency.
Reform voters will most certainly turn out but I look forward to the civil war breaking out between the unionist parties in any case.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 10 Sep 10:49
I tend to agree. The Scottish election will end up being much of the same. If the status quo persists though, the election after should be more interesting.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 10 Sep 11:10
The SNP don`t pussy foot around 😂😂😂
It took them 5 years and a court case to define a woman ffs!
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 10 Sep 11:28
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Dandy Warhol, Wed 10 Sept 11:10
The SNP don`t pussy foot around 😂😂😂
It took them 5 years and a court case to define a woman ffs!
And yet the Tories never managed to define it and Starmer flip-flopped on it.
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Wed 10 Sep 13:50
Ginge has gone.
The Prince of Darkness will be next. His love of power and wealth has caught up with him once again.
Another case of Starmer’s poor judgement in who he promotes to key roles.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 10 Sep 16:07
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Jimmy riddell, Wed 10 Sep 13:50
Ginge has gone.
The Prince of Darkness will be next. His love of power and wealth has caught up with him once again.
Another case of Starmer’s poor judgement in who he promotes to key roles.
I don’t speak infantile - who are ginge & prince of darkness?
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Wed 10 Sep 18:03
Post Edited (Wed 10 Sep 18:03)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 10 Sep 19:45
"I don’t see reform having much influence up here (just don’t see Farage ever being popular enough this side of the border) but if things keep going, their influence-or someone else’s- will grow."
Does anybody mind of Farage taking the hump and walking out of a BBC Good Morning Scotland radio interview a while back - maybe 10 (?) or more years ago ?
This was when he was still a relatively minor player on the political stage and visited up here only to be met by a "robust" welcoming group objecting to his presence !!!
Gary Robertson, who is a past master at getting under politicians` skins, was giving him a rough time and eventually Nigel took it personally and did a runner - great entertainment - I wonder if BBC archives have access ?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 10 Sep 19:45
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P, Wed 10 Sep 16:07
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Jimmy riddell, Wed 10 Sep 13:50
Ginge has gone.
The Prince of Darkness will be next. His love of power and wealth has caught up with him once again.
Another case of Starmer’s poor judgement in who he promotes to key roles.
I don’t speak infantile - who are ginge & prince of darkness?
Wee right wingers love to just make up nonsense names, especially for woman. It`s to demean the individuals.
Usually a sign of being a complete thicko
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Wed 10 Sep 20:18
‘Wee right wingers love to just make up nonsense names, especially for woman. It`s to demean the individuals.
Usually a sign of being a complete thicko’
You lefties are really very sensitive to views other than your own navel gazing. Hoisted by their own misdemeanours as was wee Burney.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 10 Sep 20:19
Keep feeling like a victim mate. Thought and prayers heading your way
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Wed 10 Sep 20:26
Thank you for reaching out to me.
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Wed 10 Sep 21:09
Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 28 Feb 20:29
‘Another reason to want rid of the Royals, with Fat Finger Charlie inviting that Cun7 back.’
Andy
Want to comment on nonsense names and comments?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 10 Sep 21:22
Ginger vs fat finger Charlie? 1st could be anyone, the 2nd is quite obvious. But sure dude
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 10 Sep 23:13
Andy is our resident communist. Hypocrisy is something he’s good at, extremely good.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Thu 11 Sep 11:27
The Prince of Darkness has gone. If you don’t know who I’m referring to your head is also in a dark place.
Quite a week for SurKeir.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 11 Sep 13:14
Locally, Tory Gavin Ellis has jumped ship to Reform citing the lack of movement for a new swimming pool in Dunfermline as the reason. Bizarre.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 11 Sep 13:19
Another example of really bad judgement when appointing mandleson
His association was well known
Anyway at least he actually did something about it this time
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 11 Sep 13:32
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DBP, Thu 11 Sep 13:19
Another example of really bad judgement when appointing mandleson
His association was well known
Anyway at least he actually did something about it this time
Just held on as long as he could for some reason 🤷🏻♂️
Even just appointing him in the first place 🤦🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:08
Quote:
jake89, Thu 11 Sep 13:14
Locally, Tory Gavin Ellis has jumped ship to Reform citing the lack of movement for a new swimming pool in Dunfermline as the reason. Bizarre.
Guessing he isnt from Dunfermline if he thinks theres no swimming pool? 🤔
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:46
I think he meant another pool. For a city this size we should have more than one public pool or at least one with flumes etc (if that’s still a thing). The high schools no longer have swimming pools.
Bit daft to switch political parties for that reason though!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 11 Sep 14:54
He means another one. He`s right. There should have been one at the DLC and at the new Rosyth school. Dunfermline has lost two pools (Queen Anne and Woodmill) and will lose Inverkeithing soon. All in a period where Dunfermline has grown by 50%!
However, I`m struggling to see how moving from a minority party in Fife Council to one with an even smaller minority will help his cause. I`m sure he`s a nice guy but he`d have been better going independent than aligning with Reform, a party that couldn`t find Dunfermline on a map let alone lead the local authority.
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