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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 14 Dec 09:41
Not worth looking it up but horrendous scenes from the aftermath of multiple murders on Bondi Beach after a couple of evil lunatics seemingly target a Jewish community celebrating Hannuka. One of the gunman was heroically disarmed by a civilian. Both shooters have been, according to police, neutralised.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 14 Dec 10:07
That is one brave guy, that tackled the gunman. Absolute hero.. Wonder how many lives he saved?
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sun 14 Dec 10:28
That is terrible but that 1 guy probably saved around another 10 getting shot…takes a big set of balls to do that.
Why were they attacking Jewish people?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 14 Dec 11:08
Its very sad news to wake up to.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 14 Dec 11:14
Seeing the video of him disarming one assailant, he appears to maybe be trained in armed forces/police, due to his stance etc after removing the gun. Unfortunately, the 2nd shooter then begins to target him, and another, who seem to have no ammo to shoot back. Ultimately though, they have saved lives with their actions, and hopefully they survived.
Shocking reading about it this morning. Have watched a lot of Bondi Rescue in the past regarding the lifeguards and seen some crazy things, but this will be by far the worst seen on Bondi.
Hopefully those injured pull through.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 14 Dec 12:21
Quote:
Hoolie, Sun 14 Dec 10:28
That is terrible but that 1 guy probably saved around another 10 getting shot…takes a big set of balls to do that.
Why were they attacking Jewish people?
Because Allah told them to no doubt.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 14 Dec 16:28
Without a doubt, that man saved lives. He should be honoured for his bravery in what was a tragic incident.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sun 14 Dec 18:45
Does anyone think this is the start of it and things like this could hit Europe soon?
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 14 Dec 19:13
It has already come here hasn`t it?!?
Glad that guy had the balls to act in such a brave way. Hear wishing he and all others injured a full and speedy recovery.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 14 Dec 19:17
Quote:
Hoolie, Sun 14 Dec 18:45
Does anyone think this is the start of it and things like this could hit Europe soon?
These things happen around Europe all the time. Maybe not with guns, but religious attacks have happened for years.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 14 Dec 19:39
Ahmed Al Ahmed has been named as the man that wrestled a gun off a shooter - shot in shoulder and hand and currently in hospital.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 14 Dec 19:52
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 14 Dec 19:39
Ahmed Al Ahmed has been named as the man that wrestled a gun off a shooter - shot in shoulder and hand and currently in hospital.
A Muslim taking out a Muslim shooter. More evidence that the issue isn`t religion but people using their religion as a way to be evil.
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sun 14 Dec 20:14
If these terrorists can do this in Australia which has a big immigration visa etc then I can only imagine what could happen in Britain then?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 14 Dec 20:58
Which is why communities need to be ready to report extremists. When someone from a minority, whether it`s a black person, Jew, Muslim or whatever, commits an atrocity, it causes pain for that entire community. How many idiots now think it`s alright to start acting like it`s the 70s and 80s again and chase minorities?
Focus on the bad apples and get them reported, and support the police to deal with them instead of worrying about doing equality impact assessments.
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sun 14 Dec 21:19
Ahh support the police when they don’t support what is going on in our communities?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 14 Dec 22:38
Quote:
Hoolie, Sun 14 Dec 21:19
Ahh support the police when they don’t support what is going on in our communities?
Ffs. Only a matter of time before they started gobbing off on here. Is there no sanctuary.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 14 Dec 22:42
Now 15 people killed. So much sadness on a day which was to be a celebration for the Jewish community.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Mon 15 Dec 08:03)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 15 Dec 09:19
Quote:
Hoolie, Sun 14 Dec 21:19
Ahh support the police when they don’t support what is going on in our communities?
Clearly didn`t read the post properly. Read it again.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Mon 15 Dec 12:33
"Which is why communities need to be ready to report extremists. When someone from a minority, whether it`s a black person, Jew, Muslim or whatever, commits an atrocity, it causes pain for that entire community. How many idiots now think it`s alright to start acting like it`s the 70s and 80s again and chase minorities?
Focus on the bad apples and get them reported, and support the police to deal with them instead of worrying about doing equality impact assessments."
reported that the person(s) responsible were known to the police but also had firearms certificates etc granted. Sure much more to come out in the wash.
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Mon 15 Dec 19:20
People in these communities won’t report the extremists as these gangs run the communities under their rules…they work under fear and if your a grass then that’s you done.
Have any of you worked in these communities where more or less they tell the council when they are allowed in. Been going on for years and was worse when I worked in Ireland. The council/police don’t control areas..they just appear to deal with the aftermath.
All areas whatever religion are controlled by groups and these groups control the people in that area….Up here we have nothing like this but give it 2/3 years it will happen.
After working down there/Ireland for 10 years it was definitely an eye opener on how the police were corrupt and just didn’t show up or turned a blind eye..
We will see!
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Topic Originator: jwd1103
Date: Wed 17 Dec 23:31
Sorry but radical, unquestioning belief in a religion is one the greatest evils in this world today ,always has been always will. We can prove the physical existence of dinosaurs but not the physical existence of any religious "deity".
Their existence & their deeds are only provided by followers of thier "cults" who saw an pportunity to enrich themselves on the ignrance of thier chosen people, Different cults arose in different cultures but all with the same belief of "gods" ruling over us.
Cynical ? Me ? Willing to be proved wrong
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 18 Dec 22:33
Suspicions in many circles that this is yet another Israeli false flag……..One of the “ injured “ Arsen Ostrovsky, just happened to be “ injured “ on Oct 7th, but not badly enough on either occasion to prevent him calmly videoing himself covered in fake blood……I mean what are the chances that the same guy just happened to be at both of these events ?…..I would put nothing past the Israelis…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 19 Dec 00:47
An excellent article to post Ipswich. It`s headline is "Racist and antisemitic false information spreads online following Bondi Beach terrorism attack".
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 19 Dec 07:28
Quote:
desparado, Thu 18 Dec 22:33
Suspicions in many circles that this is yet another Israeli false flag……..One of the “ injured “ Arsen Ostrovsky, just happened to be “ injured “ on Oct 7th, but not badly enough on either occasion to prevent him calmly videoing himself covered in fake blood……I mean what are the chances that the same guy just happened to be at both of these events ?…..I would put nothing past the Israelis…
Crisis actors are used to establish a narrative in nearly all big events.
There`s a lass down south whk nearly dies of "super flu" or "covid" or "measles"every year but is always around to be thankful to be vaccinated.
I expect the usual scorn on here but you can literally google companies that supply these.
No doubt our resident genocide cheerleader will be on to throw drippy figurative punch.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 19 Dec 16:30
Suspicions in many circles that desparado is yet another f@nny.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Fri 19 Dec 19:30
How many gods in different religions are out there and people read these books?
It’s the year 2025 and still people believe what was written in the bible, Quran and all the other guff.
Allah married a 9 year old….if you don’t follow this in the bible then you will go to hell…you never see a skint church or mosque….i wonder why?
It’s just big cults imo.
Religion is the cause of most of the hostility in this world and still people believe in all the nonesense.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 19 Dec 21:43
You never see a skint church?! Explain why so many have closed then! Church of Scotland is constantly closing and selling off churches. Townhill and Kingseat went last year, Saline is going soon too. Despite all these people seemingly offended by the alleged cancelling of Christmas, few ever visit a bloody church!
I don`t know how many times it needs said - religion isn`t a reason or an excuse to be evil. Whether a person is Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Sikh or whatever, they should be following the rules of this country and no concessions should be made for what is a personal choice.
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Fri 19 Dec 22:56
Churches are closing down due to people not going/believing in the crap that is spout to them and the new generation aren’t interested in some guy standing up there spouting nonesense from a book.
Religion is all evil and produces war..
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sat 20 Dec 00:46
‘It’s the year 2025 and still people believe what was written in the bible…’
Well it’s only the year 2025 if you’re a christian. Anno Domini - in the year of the lord.
Other calendars are available.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 20 Dec 12:34
Religion has done a lot of harm. It`s really just a load of made up nonsense to enable the rich to control the poor. It should really be banned.
Back on topic, while I sympathise with the victims and their families, this story has hardly been off the headlines for a week. We`ve seen articles on all the victims, on all the heroes who tried to help.
We know their names.
When the IDF were firing indiscriminately into the crowds of poor Palestinian people, every day earlier this year, we were seeing reports of 11, 12, 33, dozens upon dozens of people, men, women, children, babies, innocent people being murdered every day. We never got to know their names, their stories. It just became a small report every, single day.
They were just a number to us, a statistic.
Israel is absolutely responsible for this tragedy. It won`t be the last
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 20 Dec 14:05
Quote:
Hoolie, Fri 19 Dec 22:56
Churches are closing down due to people not going/believing in the crap that is spout to them and the new generation aren’t interested in some guy standing up there spouting nonesense from a book.
Religion is all evil and produces war..
So they`re rolling in money despite having no parishioners 🤔 Are they secretly a money laundering front? 😂
Religion isn`t evil. People are evil. They use religion as an excuse to be evil. People go on about verses in the Bible and the Quran but it`s all open to interpretation. People twist things for their own means.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:12
Quote:
jake89, Sat 20 Dec 14:05
Quote:
Hoolie, Fri 19 Dec 22:56
Churches are closing down due to people not going/believing in the crap that is spout to them and the new generation aren’t interested in some guy standing up there spouting nonesense from a book.
Religion is all evil and produces war..
So they`re rolling in money despite having no parishioners 🤔 Are they secretly a money laundering front? 😂
Religion isn`t evil. People are evil. They use religion as an excuse to be evil. People go on about verses in the Bible and the Quran but it`s all open to interpretation. People twist things for their own means.
Have you read either?
Pretty violent stuff.
What i don`t understand is the chubby folks have for Israel and the likes, the haye everyone that isn`t them, we`re just goys.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:18
It depends how you interpret what`s said and how it`s been translated. You`re also forgetting that we all have free will. If a book allegedly written thousands of years ago said "You shouldn`t watch the Pars on a Saturday" it would be up to you if you chose to follow that rule.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 21 Dec 08:19
Quote:
jake89, Sat 20 Dec 15:18
It depends how you interpret what`s said and how it`s been translated. You`re also forgetting that we all have free will. If a book allegedly written thousands of years ago said "You shouldn`t watch the Pars on a Saturday" it would be up to you if you chose to follow that rule.
Both books talk about destroying anyone who opposes their god, it`s not open to interpretation , they`re quite explicit.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 21 Dec 11:14
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sun 21 Dec 08:19
Quote:
jake89, Sat 20 Dec 15:18
It depends how you interpret what`s said and how it`s been translated. You`re also forgetting that we all have free will. If a book allegedly written thousands of years ago said "You shouldn`t watch the Pars on a Saturday" it would be up to you if you chose to follow that rule.
Both books talk about destroying anyone who opposes their god, it`s not open to interpretation , they`re quite explicit.
So because you are a certain religion you would follow a book filled with contradictions to the letter? Of course you wouldn`t as you have free will. You`re not a robot, and if you were you would explode because neither scripture makes any sense and would result in "DOES NOT COMPUTE".
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 21 Dec 12:43
Jake, some people folliw these books quite seriously, i know you`re not the brightest but sure yoh know that.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 21 Dec 14:20
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sun 21 Dec 12:43
Jake, some people folliw these books quite seriously, i know you`re not the brightest but sure yoh know that.
There was no need for that, Dandy.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 21 Dec 19:03
Quote:
buffy, Sun 21 Dec 14:20
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sun 21 Dec 12:43
Jake, some people folliw these books quite seriously, i know you`re not the brightest but sure yoh know that.
There was no need for that, Dandy.
It`s a standard tactic for him. Misses the point and then calls me names as a distraction tactic.
I await his next witty response 🙄
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sun 21 Dec 22:25
Dandy is right though!
Any war, massacre or terrorist attack is caused by hatred of another religion..
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 22 Dec 08:41
Quote:
Hoolie, Sun 21 Dec 22:25
Dandy is right though!
Any war, massacre or terrorist attack is caused by hatred of another religion..
Russia - Ukraine?
Civil wars in Sudan and Yemen?
War in the Congo?
These are just current ones. It`s more likely about resources than religion.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 22 Dec 09:21
Missed out USA and Venezuela, which deffo isn’t to do with religion……..
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 22 Dec 12:11
There’s usually multiple reasons for countries to go to war but usually the main 3 are land, money or resources.
Land isn’t always a resource and resources aren’t always land so they get classed differently (high school modern studies. I don’t know why I still remember that)
Yes religion can also be a reason but most major conflicts will include one of the main 3.
For example - the first crusades were to retake land that had been conquered (Spain, Portugal and I think parts of France). No doubt there was religious reasons as well so it’s not like they’re exclusive of each other.
COYP
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