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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 23 Feb 13:21
I`ve not watched "I swear" yet but the clips I`ve seen of it look great and it won three awards so I`m assuming it`s good.
Unfortunately, John Davidson, who the film is based on, said a particularly "bad word" last night. This has legitimately upset quite a few people, but don`t they understand that this is uncontrollable? I`d assume part of the reason for making the film isn`t just to entertain, but to educate and inform people what it`s like living with tourettes. I`ve seen posts calling him racist as even if he can`t control his outburst he clearly knew the word. I know the word. I don`t go around yelling it, because I don`t have tourettes.
Perhaps I`m getting old, but why are people so desperate to get offended all the time? Yes, it was a disgusting word to use, but it wasn`t his fault and surely people can accept that? This is a guy who, in the film portrayal, laughs about someone dying from cancer and says he wants to ejaculate in someone`s tea!
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 23 Feb 13:23
It`s a great film, one of the best we`ve seen in years.
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Mon 23 Feb 13:55
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 23 Feb 13:23
It`s a great film, one of the best we`ve seen in years.
Seconded. It`s been handled so well, it should be mandatory viewing for all High School kids.
I don`t often gush about how good movies are, but this is one I`ll recommend to everyone
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Mon 23 Feb 14:51
The book is fantastic as well. Listened to it on audible. Absolutely superb.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 23 Feb 15:10
I remember seeing a documentary some years ago about Tourette`s Syndrome and it featured a guy from the Borders who suffered from it. It may well have been John Davidson but I can`t be sure. He was anticipating meeting Prince Charles, as he was then, at some reception and was worried that he might suffer a tic and say something he shouldn`t have in his presence. Of course when he was introduced to Charlie he could be heard mumbling `F...ing Big Ears`! The Prince carried on as if nothing had happened.
Post Edited (Mon 23 Feb 15:11)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 23 Feb 16:46
"This has legitimately upset quite a few people, but don`t they understand that this is uncontrollable? ".
Well if they have a legitimate reason to be upset the fact that is uncontrollable is somewhat irrelevant to them being upset as you have just said that thier emotional response is entirely legitimate.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Mon 23 Feb 17:15
"I remember seeing a documentary some years ago about Tourette`s Syndrome and it featured a guy from the Borders who suffered from it. It may well have been John Davidson but I can`t be sure. He was anticipating meeting Prince Charles, as he was then, at some reception and was worried that he might suffer a tic and say something he shouldn`t have in his presence. Of course when he was introduced to Charlie he could be heard mumbling `F...ing Big Ears`! The Prince carried on as if nothing had happened."
Yes its the same boy. The BBC documentary was part if his raising awareness and educating people about what Tourettes is. Visiting the Farm and shouts "im up to ma knees in F@cking Cow-Pat". The film is brilliant.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 23 Feb 17:19
I felt the two black actors onstage could have diffused this tic from John immediately with a few words but I understand they are not trained to deal with Tourette’s Syndrome.
Nobody will feel worse than John Davidson right now and that is the real crime.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 23 Feb 17:41
Thanks for clarifying, PuP.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 23 Feb 18:18
I`ll have a look at that later, Bpp. I`m not sure if it`s the same one. I didn`t think it was as long ago as 1988 but time flies!
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 23 Feb 18:41
They`re upset isn`t legitimate at all, it`s theatrics, maybe they need educated rather than continually pandered to.
Soft idiots.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 23 Feb 19:22
I feel really sorry for John, it`s been an absolute pile on against him on social media, some folk are seething. Some proper ignorant people out there, maybe they should watch the film and try to educate themselves.
Anyone that gets into that sort of state because of words is bad enough, but when the words are said by someone who can`t help it that makes it even worse
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 23 Feb 19:29
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 23 Feb 16:46
"This has legitimately upset quite a few people, but don`t they understand that this is uncontrollable? ".
Well if they have a legitimate reason to be upset the fact that is uncontrollable is somewhat irrelevant to them being upset as you have just said that thier emotional response is entirely legitimate.
The term used is one you can be legitimately upset to hear but also should understand that he in no way said it intentionally.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 23 Feb 19:30
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Mon 23 Feb 17:19
I felt the two black actors onstage could have diffused this tic from John immediately with a few words but I understand they are not trained to deal with Tourette’s Syndrome.
Nobody will feel worse than John Davidson right now and that is the real crime.
I agree. Alan Cumming, who was hosting, dealt with a tick earlier on and moved on pretty quickly.
Surely everyone that was presenting awards should have been made aware that he was in the audience and to acknowledge the tick and move forward?
The backlash he is receiving is totally unwarranted and making certain people look like uneducated delinquents.
ETA - this feels like a big miss from BAFTA to bring awareness to Tourette’s, and they waited too long to acknowledge it. John actually left of his own accord due to these ticks too.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 23 Feb 19:37
Spot on AAPS and Dave 1885
There is a Lassie lives on my street with the same problem .. She works beside my Granddaughter in Tesco and you can see her shout and tic when on the checkouts .. She also plays the drum in the local pipe band .. Works with North Berwick in bloom watering plants .. and is an absolute star
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 23 Feb 20:14
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Buspasspar, Mon 23 Feb 19:37
Spot on AAPS and Dave 1885
There is a Lassie lives on my street with the same problem .. She works beside my Granddaughter in Tesco and you can see her shout and tic when on the checkouts .. She also plays the drum in the local pipe band .. Works with North Berwick in bloom watering plants .. and is an absolute star
Bless her.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 23 Feb 21:00
My family know John and this is what he has been educating people for. They always speak highly of John whenever his name comes up.
Social media has the potential to be great but can be so harmful also.
Does anyone genuinely think John meant what he said. I find people’s reactions appalling if they are attacking the individual. He is a human being with a condition he would not wish on anyone. He deserves the right to dignity and compassion having lived what he has to live through every day of his adult life.
It is an unfortunate situation and he will wish it was never uttered, but are we to lock people with Tourette’s syndrome away like we locked people away in the past because they weren’t “normal”.
I hear genuine bile and heard it again on the radio at the weekend football games coming from people who mean what they say. Nothing is done to correct that narrative.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 23 Feb 21:07
Jamie Foxx should hang his head. He could have made a joke of it and prevented all this regrettable pile on.
I guess he doesn’t do irony ?
I saw the film a few months ago and it’s highly recommended.
Whilst no expert on TS, I’m assuming John must have thought, whatever you do don’t say the N word and then bang, it comes out ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Mon 23 Feb 21:13
I never paid much attention when I saw this story, it was a tad difficult to make out what had happened due to the BBC trying desperately not to offend itself in the telling of the tale.
I thought it was just a couple of brothas talking jive.
It actually turns out to be hilarious.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 23 Feb 21:14
I can see both sides in this.
I don`t think anyone is really getting mad at John for ticking, or at least they shouldn`t be - and those who are will hopefully learn something from the conversations about tourettes that it has sparked.
I do think there`s another conversation to be had over the BBC`s decision to broadcast it though. It wasn`t live remember, it was broadcast with a two hour delay.
I wonder what would have happened had John ticked with the c-word, or (heaven forfend) "Free Palestine!" for example? Would the BBC have edited out either of those?
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 23 Feb 21:18
Quote:
Wotsit, Mon 23 Feb 21:14
I can see both sides in this.
I don`t think anyone is really getting mad at John for ticking, or at least they shouldn`t be - and those who are will hopefully learn something from the conversations about tourettes that it has sparked.
I do think there`s another conversation to be had over the BBC`s decision to broadcast it though. It wasn`t live remember, it was broadcast with a two hour delay.
I wonder what would have happened had John ticked with the c-word, or (heaven forfend) "Free Palestinre!" for example? Would the BBC have edited out either of those?
Jamie Foxx is. Total disgrace of a man. It will be far more damaging for that mor0n than it will ever be for John. If he really thinks John meant it he could easily visit Galashiels and discuss it directly. Not so easy for John to reach out to Jamie Foxx.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 23 Feb 22:45
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Mon 23 Feb 21:07
Jamie Foxx should hang his head. He could have made a joke of it and prevented all this regrettable pile on.
I guess he doesn’t do irony ?
I saw the film a few months ago and it’s highly recommended.
Whilst no expert on TS, I’m assuming John must have thought, whatever you do don’t say the N word and then bang, it comes out ?
In these situations saying nothing is probably the best option - otherwise you get pilloried by one side or the other.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 23 Feb 23:03
Surely the BBC SHOULD be broadcasting it, in full.
The whole point of the film is to tell the guys story whilst raising awareness of his condition. An unfortunate but absolutely perfect example of it was the incident last night. What better way to raise awareness of the syndrome and how NOT to react to it.
The BBC can **** off with its selective censorship, it actually gets me angry that we`re forced by law to pay for it.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 24 Feb 07:33
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 23 Feb 23:03
Surely the BBC SHOULD be broadcasting it, in full.
The whole point of the film is to tell the guys story whilst raising awareness of his condition. An unfortunate but absolutely perfect example of it was the incident last night. What better way to raise awareness of the syndrome and how NOT to react to it.
The BBC can **** off with its selective censorship, it actually gets me angry that we`re forced by law to pay for it.
Just don`t pay, literally nothing happens.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: FifeEternal
Date: Tue 24 Feb 09:32
Jamie Fox was fine with having it shouted at him in Tarantino`s Django film it seems. Don`t remember him posting about that. Suppose if you`re getting paid it makes it fine in his eyes.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 24 Feb 10:13
I think it depends on the message the BBC are trying to portray.
In a clip of the film I`ve seen the friends mum says to John he doesn`t need to apologise for his tics as it`s not his fault. I`d while heartedly agree with that approach. I can understand why someone would feel the need to apologise though.
So if the BBC didn`t edit it because they felt there was nothing to apologise for then they had a point to some extent. However, surely common sense would suggest they should censor particular words?
I`m genuinely surprised by the ignorance, mainly from over the pond, about the condition. Perhaps all those who are offended should spend some time watching the film to understand what John has been through.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 24 Feb 11:10
I think a lot of people have an ignorance of this condition. I had assumed sufferers would just uncontrollably swear but its also often they will say the most offensive thing, the one thing they know they shouldn`t say but it comes out before they can stop it. At least that`s what I`ve heard since this incident from media commentators. I suppose there are certain situations and scenarios that those with Tourettes need to remove themselves from. As for this particular instance I think the BBC just made a mistake, not quite realising what had been said, but it`s no surprise to read the usual right wing agitators online using it as another bat to beat the BBC with.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 24 Feb 11:24
The young female actress in the film who comes along as part of John’s learning experiences after her parents hear about John actually has TS and is part of a YouTube channel with her driving instruction. Her driving instructor is obviously Scottish and maybe Chinese ethnicity (I don’t know) but she has regular pops about his Chinese backgrounds, because it cannot be helped. He takes it with the grace and humour of an understanding human being. We should inundate Jamie Foxx with videos of this so he can mock outrage all over again.
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